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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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We can all help each other.
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In Chaol's absence, it appears that we will need to rely on each other. No more hand-holding by our sensei.

We could probably begin that process by simply sharing observations with each other. If we get going on the wrong track, maybe Chaol will "pop in" and set us straight.

Otherwise, it looks like we're being let go to fend for ourselves with just an itty bit of learning. We're going to have to figure out the rest for ourselves. Which may not be such a bad thing after all.

Let's keep the thread going. I already have some things to add, but I'll save it for later.
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:)
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Aha! Maybe Chaol is waiting for us to quit waiting on him. What do you think??????
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We can all help each other.
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In Chaol's absence, it appears that we will need to rely on each other. No more hand-holding by our sensei.

We could probably begin that process by simply sharing observations with each other. If we get going on the wrong track, maybe Chaol will "pop in" and set us straight.

Otherwise, it looks like we're being let go to fend for ourselves with just an itty bit of learning. We're going to have to figure out the rest for ourselves. Which may not be such a bad thing after all.

Let's keep the thread going. I already have some things to add, but I'll save it for later.
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:)
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Aha! Maybe Chaol is waiting for us to quit waiting on him. What do you think??????
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I don't think Chaol is the "waiting" type.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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In Chaol's absence, it appears that we will need to rely on each other. No more hand-holding by our sensei.

We could probably begin that process by simply sharing observations with each other. If we get going on the wrong track, maybe Chaol will "pop in" and set us straight.

Otherwise, it looks like we're being let go to fend for ourselves with just an itty bit of learning. We're going to have to figure out the rest for ourselves. Which may not be such a bad thing after all.

Let's keep the thread going. I already have some things to add, but I'll save it for later.
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:)
 Quoting: Chaol





Aha! Maybe Chaol is waiting for us to quit waiting on him. What do you think??????
 Quoting: U3


I don't think Chaol is the "waiting" type.
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I feel he watches us. Remember how he kept checking on us before he left for good, this time?

I'm not sure for what purpose except what he has expressed....building the bridge "in a certain way"...whatever that means.

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I remember Chaol saying something about we bring places to us, rather than 'go' there. This would apply to Space and Time - we don't travel through time, we bring a 'past' or 'future' to us.

I realised that the Internet serves to show us how to do this, using Genius Logic. I pluck a recipe out of thin air. I bring onto my kitchen table a peregrine on her eggs in 'realtime'. I chat with people apparently on the other side of the ocean.

We are able to do all this anyway, but need the internet and its funny logic steps, at the moment so we can make sense of it.
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Check it out, 2 computer talking to each other...
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I chat with people apparently on the other side of the ocean.
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And how about the way we can chat with people who are "not from around here"? I have run into many "others" on the Internet. It is so cool the way we can do that.
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I noticed on this page Chaol mentions a pronunciation chart that can be downloaded. Does anyone have a copy?

[link to web.archive.org]

NVM, I found it:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]

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I noticed on this page Chaol mentions a pronunciation chart that can be downloaded. Does anyone have a copy?

[link to web.archive.org]

NVM, I found it:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Etiop




Use the language chart and the 4 forces chart together, and I think it will be easier to understand. The 4 forces is the chart with symbol at the top, interaction (in yellow) on the right, possibility on the bottom and logic on the left in green. Just scroll down from the 4 forces chart to the language chart (at that link) and you'll see it.

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I noticed on this page Chaol mentions a pronunciation chart that can be downloaded. Does anyone have a copy?

[link to web.archive.org]

NVM, I found it:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Etiop




Use the language chart and the 4 forces chart together, and I think it will be easier to understand. The 4 forces is the chart with symbol at the top, interaction (in yellow) on the right, possibility on the bottom and logic on the left in green. Just scroll down from the 4 forces chart to the language chart (at that link) and you'll see it.
 Quoting: U3


Thanks. I'm trying. I have no idea why the icon for "oo" in TOO is different from "oo" in BOOK.

The input is identical. The pronunciation is the same. But the output is different.I don't understand why or how. Do you?

Why is the underlined portion of a word included in the pronunciation while others are ignored. For instance, why is AMERICA pronounced AA? The icon is +S,I. How does one determine that word has a HIGH symbol and NEUTRAL interaction?

I'll have to dig through this thread later today. Chaol gave some info about this earlier in the thread. I just can't remember which page at the moment.

I want to make better sense of the language this weekend. Then create a Genius.
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I noticed on this page Chaol mentions a pronunciation chart that can be downloaded. Does anyone have a copy?

[link to web.archive.org]

NVM, I found it:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Etiop




Use the language chart and the 4 forces chart together, and I think it will be easier to understand. The 4 forces is the chart with symbol at the top, interaction (in yellow) on the right, possibility on the bottom and logic on the left in green. Just scroll down from the 4 forces chart to the language chart (at that link) and you'll see it.
 Quoting: U3


Thanks. I'm trying. I have no idea why the icon for "oo" in TOO is different from "oo" in BOOK.

The input is identical. The pronunciation is the same. But the output is different.I don't understand why or how. Do you?

Why is the underlined portion of a word included in the pronunciation while others are ignored. For instance, why is AMERICA pronounced AA? The icon is +S,I. How does one determine that word has a HIGH symbol and NEUTRAL interaction?

I'll have to dig through this thread later today. Chaol gave some info about this earlier in the thread. I just can't remember which page at the moment.

I want to make better sense of the language this weekend. Then create a Genius.
 Quoting: Etiop



I'm pretty sure Chaol sees the pronunciation differently. When I write a string, I do this: (B)oo(k) to help me get a sense of how it's supposed to be spoken, until I get it. I don't worry about the rest.

The underlined portion is how it's spoken. The language is what I would call guttral.

Determining the outputs, etc, is mostly intuitive.

Here is a link where Chaol tells a way to start:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


And here's Dodec's post on input/outputs:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


Btw, somewhere in here, Chaol says start with the Genius and don't worry about the language. He says if we understand the Genius, the language will be easier.

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I noticed on this page Chaol mentions a pronunciation chart that can be downloaded. Does anyone have a copy?

[link to web.archive.org]

NVM, I found it:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: Etiop




Use the language chart and the 4 forces chart together, and I think it will be easier to understand. The 4 forces is the chart with symbol at the top, interaction (in yellow) on the right, possibility on the bottom and logic on the left in green. Just scroll down from the 4 forces chart to the language chart (at that link) and you'll see it.
 Quoting: U3


Thanks. I'm trying. I have no idea why the icon for "oo" in TOO is different from "oo" in BOOK.

The input is identical. The pronunciation is the same. But the output is different.I don't understand why or how. Do you?

Why is the underlined portion of a word included in the pronunciation while others are ignored. For instance, why is AMERICA pronounced AA? The icon is +S,I. How does one determine that word has a HIGH symbol and NEUTRAL interaction?

I'll have to dig through this thread later today. Chaol gave some info about this earlier in the thread. I just can't remember which page at the moment.

I want to make better sense of the language this weekend. Then create a Genius.
 Quoting: Etiop



I'm pretty sure Chaol sees the pronunciation differently. When I write a string, I do this: (B)oo(k) to help me get a sense of how it's supposed to be spoken, until I get it. I don't worry about the rest.

The underlined portion is how it's spoken. The language is what I would call guttral.

Determining the outputs, etc, is mostly intuitive.

Here is a link where Chaol tells a way to start:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


And here's Dodec's post on input/outputs:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


Btw, somewhere in here, Chaol says start with the Genius and don't worry about the language. He says if we understand the Genius, the language will be easier.
 Quoting: U3


That's very helpful.

This statement in your first link describes the problem I'm having: Ec works differently than other natural languages because of how it can be used. It is a very personal language because it has to do with perception. Maybe I'm not suppose to understand why someone else would assign certain values to an icon? The language gets it's meaning from MY perceptions? I dunno.

Working on The Genius until I have a better grasp of things sounds like a pretty good idea at this point (LOL).
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Use the language chart and the 4 forces chart together, and I think it will be easier to understand. The 4 forces is the chart with symbol at the top, interaction (in yellow) on the right, possibility on the bottom and logic on the left in green. Just scroll down from the 4 forces chart to the language chart (at that link) and you'll see it.
 Quoting: U3


Thanks. I'm trying. I have no idea why the icon for "oo" in TOO is different from "oo" in BOOK.

The input is identical. The pronunciation is the same. But the output is different.I don't understand why or how. Do you?

Why is the underlined portion of a word included in the pronunciation while others are ignored. For instance, why is AMERICA pronounced AA? The icon is +S,I. How does one determine that word has a HIGH symbol and NEUTRAL interaction?

I'll have to dig through this thread later today. Chaol gave some info about this earlier in the thread. I just can't remember which page at the moment.

I want to make better sense of the language this weekend. Then create a Genius.
 Quoting: Etiop



I'm pretty sure Chaol sees the pronunciation differently. When I write a string, I do this: (B)oo(k) to help me get a sense of how it's supposed to be spoken, until I get it. I don't worry about the rest.

The underlined portion is how it's spoken. The language is what I would call guttral.

Determining the outputs, etc, is mostly intuitive.

Here is a link where Chaol tells a way to start:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


And here's Dodec's post on input/outputs:
[link to ecworksheet.blogspot.com]


Btw, somewhere in here, Chaol says start with the Genius and don't worry about the language. He says if we understand the Genius, the language will be easier.
 Quoting: U3


That's very helpful.

This statement in your first link describes the problem I'm having: Ec works differently than other natural languages because of how it can be used. It is a very personal language because it has to do with perception. Maybe I'm not suppose to understand why someone else would assign certain values to an icon? The language gets it's meaning from MY perceptions? I dunno.

Working on The Genius until I have a better grasp of things sounds like a pretty good idea at this point (LOL).
 Quoting: Etiop




I know the feeling, lol! The language is your personal language but can also be used to communicate with others, but it is less personal or descriptive when you do that with it.

When you find a string that works good, then it can be used. You put a box around it but no need to get into that, yet. I don't think most of us here are ready for this, anyway.

Here's a blog on the Genius plans
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]

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Ha! Remember Chaol talking about Tetris? (I think he had it on a website at one time or something like that. I remember he gave links to the music in a post here.)

Anyway, this study show it changes the memory in the mind (by changing the spaces...sounds like Ec) so playing Tetris helps with PTSD!!!!!

Thread: Playing Tetris helps reduce the effects of PTSD.
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I'm gonna start a perception map tonight using this blog post:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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I'm gonna start a perception map tonight using this blog post:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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OK.

I remember when I first started out, we talked about using symbols, such as a picture as he mentions in the post in that link, but somewhere along the way, he had us making symbols with no value.

For example, take a stick, put ABC gum around it and roll it in the grass and use that for your symbol. I'm not sure why we made a transistion.

But, if you read that whole post, he mentioned the results are unpredictable if the symbol has some value. Iow, a perception map (also called a Genius), works better if the symbol has no value and so is nonsensical like the stick example above.
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I'm gonna start a perception map tonight using this blog post:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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OK.

I remember when I first started out, we talked about using symbols, such as a picture as he mentions in the post in that link, but somewhere along the way, he had us making symbols with no value.

For example, take a stick, put ABC gum around it and roll it in the grass and use that for your symbol. I'm not sure why we made a transistion.

But, if you read that whole post, he mentioned the results are unpredictable if the symbol has some value. Iow, a perception map (also called a Genius), works better if the symbol has no value and so is nonsensical like the stick example above.
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I made two perception maps. For the first one I'm using a picture of a beautiful home office to represent the income I'd need to generate to have one that nice. It also reminded me of one I saw years ago that stuck in my mind. So are you suggesting I change it because I've already attached value to it?? Hmm. I think that is what you're saying.

With the 2nd map I'm going to use a made up symbol (looks like a logo- which is fine as the goal is business related). I planned to shape it in clay, paint it red and put it someplace where I'd see it everyday.

You know, I'm learning a lot more by attempting to do this stuff versus just reading about it? I thought I had a decent understanding of the concept before. But there was no depth or connection with the material. My feeble attempts to use Ec are causing the new information to settle in deeper.

I guess I'm creating neural pathways. Only I've never noticed myself doing so before. Just never paid attention to it.

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I'm gonna start a perception map tonight using this blog post:
[link to perceptionmap.blogspot.com]
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OK.

I remember when I first started out, we talked about using symbols, such as a picture as he mentions in the post in that link, but somewhere along the way, he had us making symbols with no value.

For example, take a stick, put ABC gum around it and roll it in the grass and use that for your symbol. I'm not sure why we made a transistion.

But, if you read that whole post, he mentioned the results are unpredictable if the symbol has some value. Iow, a perception map (also called a Genius), works better if the symbol has no value and so is nonsensical like the stick example above.
 Quoting: U3


I made two perception maps. For the first one I'm using a picture of a beautiful home office to represent the income I'd need to generate to have one that nice. It also reminded me of one I saw years ago that stuck in my mind. So are you suggesting I change it because I've already attached value to it?? Hmm. I think that is what you're saying.

With the 2nd map I'm going to use a made up symbol (looks like a logo- which is fine as the goal is business related). I planned to shape it in clay, paint it red and put it someplace where I'd see it everyday.

You know, I'm learning a lot more by attempting to do this stuff versus just reading about it? I thought I had a decent understanding of the concept before. But there was no depth or connection with the material. My feeble attempts to use Ec are causing the new information to settle in deeper.

I guess I'm creating neural pathways. Only I've never noticed myself doing so before. Just never paid attention to it.
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There ya go. And yes, the symbol is nonsensical, something that has no to little value.

According to Chaol, the actual reason we are creating a Genius is to see how they work, more than achieving a goal. Sounds like you are doing fine.

If you start reading at page 175 of this thread, that's where we got to talking about creating a Genius, in detail, with Chaol.

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Personalized games to train the brain
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(It's starting to get the U3 thread... ;) )
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(It's starting to get the U3 thread... ;) )
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lol

It's because the rabbit is behind the tree. afro
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Lol!

I got yet another one of those "automated answers", this time on questions containing 'how much' or 'how many'.

I introduced at my office. Everyone got his own number; mine is 3, one colleague had 11, yet another 5 and so on.

Now if a question contains how much or how many, and you don't know or don't care what the answer is, you just say your own personal number!

Works like a charm ;)
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I've made some progress on my Perception Maps. I haven't changed the symbols yet. Didn't have time since yesterday was super busy AND I became distracted creating a home office.

I thought it would be nice to buy a small trinket to put on my desk when I reach my goal. I ended up spending $20 at the craft and dollar stores on supplies. I figured I could create some of the things in the photo now versus waiting on some vague timeline in the future to have it all at once. Perhaps I could interact with parts of my goal now.

When I got home I realized I have a small thrift store desk gathering dust in the basement that resembles the desk in my photo. It's in a seldom used room down there which has a window facing the backyard where I can see my children playing. That particular detail is an integral part of my goal.

To make a long story short, I'm typing this post in my "home office" now. It isn't as nice as the one I dream about. But it's the nicest one I've ever had. What prevented me from creating it before is the imagined expense I'd incur and lack of faith. Once you play with the Possibilities anything could happen.

Anyway, I attended a wedding yesterday where I was seated next to a young woman who's working on her MBA. We chatted all through our meals about the state of the economy, sequestration and the need to create income outside of a traditional job. At the end of the meal she asked for my contact info so we could chat more.

So yeah, I'd say this Ec stuff is working pretty quickly.
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Lol!

I got yet another one of those "automated answers", this time on questions containing 'how much' or 'how many'.

I introduced at my office. Everyone got his own number; mine is 3, one colleague had 11, yet another 5 and so on.

Now if a question contains how much or how many, and you don't know or don't care what the answer is, you just say your own personal number!

Works like a charm ;)
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lol

I'm gonna do that but use Ec numbers. Thanks for the tips, heh!
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I've made some progress on my Perception Maps. I haven't changed the symbols yet. Didn't have time since yesterday was super busy AND I became distracted creating a home office.

I thought it would be nice to buy a small trinket to put on my desk when I reach my goal. I ended up spending $20 at the craft and dollar stores on supplies. I figured I could create some of the things in the photo now versus waiting on some vague timeline in the future to have it all at once. Perhaps I could interact with parts of my goal now.

When I got home I realized I have a small thrift store desk gathering dust in the basement that resembles the desk in my photo. It's in a seldom used room down there which has a window facing the backyard where I can see my children playing. That particular detail is an integral part of my goal.

To make a long story short, I'm typing this post in my "home office" now. It isn't as nice as the one I dream about. But it's the nicest one I've ever had. What prevented me from creating it before is the imagined expense I'd incur and lack of faith. Once you play with the Possibilities anything could happen.

Anyway, I attended a wedding yesterday where I was seated next to a young woman who's working on her MBA. We chatted all through our meals about the state of the economy, sequestration and the need to create income outside of a traditional job. At the end of the meal she asked for my contact info so we could chat more.

So yeah, I'd say this Ec stuff is working pretty quickly.
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Yay! Goofy Thum


This happens a lot around here, heh! Keep reading the thread and you'll run across several reports of this kind of thing.
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<snips...>

Most of the pyramids of Egypt are formed from the natural limestone in and around Egypt. The Egyptians employ what we'd think of as high technology with sound and light, for example, but only smarts are necessary to make the pyramidial shapes.
<snip>
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To clarify, some 'magic' is performed at the point of extraction for the (mostly) limestone. Then it is poured like concrete at the point of construction.

Sound is used to liquefy the limestone and light is used for accuracy (similar to lasers).
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Does anyone remember if Chaol says any more about the pyramids? Such as their function (besides a library) or the sphnix?
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Hello Chaol.

Thank you for a wonderful thread, you share a lot of information on a subject that we are not very familiar with and I admire your patience.

I do have a couple of questions too. Firstly, you are stating that emotions, are "infections"? This does not make sense to me. Love is an emotion and everything blossoms from love. I also intend to say that emotions are indeed the intentions, or the force behind actions taken in our lives - so tell me how then, can emotions be infections?

Changing your own perspective of life and manifesting desired events into your reality, is not a well known subject - however a few people already have the basic knowledge of it, some are also already applying this knowledge into their reality, purposely.

I guess it does not hurt to be taught deeper into this subject, as it is both fascinating and useful. Who would not want to be able to control more of their percepted reality:)

However, there are some things that you say, that I find a little unclear. When you speak of "travel" between these perspectives, you need to elaborate more on what really happens to our PHYSICAL bodies while we conduct such "travel". I think a few are concerned how it feels like to their bodies.

Thank you
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Thanks.

Regarding emotions-as-infections, I just mean to illustrate that emotions attempt to colonize a person by using the host's resources to reproduce.

Emotions are not created from scratch. They also begin to integrate with the person as soon as the person becomes 'infected'.

By "infections" I do not mean a negative or detrimental process occurring in a person's mind or body. However, we have no clear understanding of emotions (or consciousness) in this world. This, of course, does not validate my claims that emotions are infections. But the fact that there is no clear understanding of what emotions are should at least open the door to the possibility that the process of biochemical processes interacting with environmental influences is the same with the body (as a virus, in getting sick) as with the mind (emotions).

Our world has discovered that there are also virii that promote health and physical well-being, not just disease. In this world, such parasites are ignored because they're of no harm.

To respond to your query about how it physically feels to change perspectives, I think most of you know this already.

e.g., how does it feel physically to fall asleep? Changing perspectives to your dream world is mostly a non-physical sensation of no particular significance. What I do is no different. There is really no physical feeling in that sense.
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I also remember Chaol saying perceptions are emotions. It does seem emotions take over the host. I just thought I had issues to deal with or something.

But, doesn't Chaol's explanation take it out of something we included in our perception...as if it's something happening outside of our "control."

I see I'm still at the same point of trying to understand Chaol's teachings. From the start, I always tried to see if he feels there are forces that influence our experiences that are beyond our control.
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This will be my last question for today.

So if +PL means "changing", would -PL mean "constant"?
And if +P-L means "continuous", would +P+L mean "discreet"?
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-PL (low possibility, neutral logic) would mean constant if that's how you define it.

Other than the few icons of the 66 icons that I have defined, no others have definitions until users in this world ascribed standard definitions to them. (thus the game/app, which see)

It is still very usable without the standard definitions (because you would give them your own personal definitions).

Personal definitions for the icon sets would be much more powerful than a standard set of definitions.

Hope this helps some.
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For the new poster (etiop?), here is an exlpanation from Chaol on Ec.

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Nothing truly exists because what is true is that which cannot be perceived and is beyond existence. Truth does not exist because existence is irrelevant to it.

Non-existence created an illusion so that it could relate to itself. From that came the illusion of existence and consciousness. From that relationship came a third, fourth, and so on.

Each illusion fluctuates in order to maintain balance. The balance is whatever expends the least amount of energy. It constantly gravitates to that point, if you will. This enables the illusion of movement, progress, whatever.

So then we have what seems to be a never-ending universe of things, ideas, etc., from these constantly-changing relationships.

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Are you familiar with the concept of Maya and Mara?
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Unfortunately, no. What can you say about it/them?
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"Non-existence created an illusion." How?, I say. Chaol, come back. I need an answer to this. What properties make up non-existence that it can create an illusion? A mind?
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Hi,chaol thanks for answering my questions just wanted to say i have tried two of my own symbols and they worked!!i am both amazed and spooked by it!It took around 10 days ,so thank you for that .What is the best world like that you have seen and what is the worst world like that you have seen ? Will the magic mirror be easy to use ?Thanks again
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Yeah, guess what, I tried it too. But in a different way:

The fan, in my sons laptop, was broken. I picked up the laptop and placed my hand over it, and I could SEE inside my head what was wrong with it. The fan was actually not fastened properly and kept making noises.

I tried to think of, what would be most logical for me, in order to try and fix it. "Surgery", since I am a nurse, "surgery" would be the most logic way of fixing it.

So I performed "surgery" on the laptop, in my minds eye, fastening the fan, moving my hands as if I had a screwdriver (haha) I thought to myself - "I must be crazy"

The laptop is fixed.
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Sounds like the next level of the Genius (i.e., the abstract representation).

Try it again and again with different things. You'll get better at it.
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Aha! I had a hunch all the superpowers and psychic abilities we all think we have are once again, perceptions. Vedy interesante'!

Takes the steam out of all the folks with a messiah complex, Nobody wannabe's, etc: around here, heh!

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Thank you Chaol for your explanations, now to something else.

We are closing in on the last step on the mayan calendar pyramid. The era of conscious co-creation.

What can you tell us about this cycle that we are entering into. Does our world as we know it, merge with the "dreamworld" and how?

Are there forces out there (from the universe) like bursts of energy, that are actually helping more easily being able to visit other perspectives (like dimesions merging)?

Are our DNA's being upgraded or changed in any way?

Ty

 Quoting: Malla


Hi.

It's difficult to answer your question, as it presupposes that the cycle exists.

Rather than a cycle in time, imagine that we observe a color spectrum and call each color a 'cycle' as opposed to a 'translation' of light into different things which appear as colors.

We look back in time (and forward) and there appears to be a cycle, but it is only because of our perspective. All 'cycles' are occurring at once, so it is more like a translation of one thing into many things.

That is to say, a 'cycle' is the illusion of something that does not fit neatly into the perspective of time. You cannot perceive the entirety of it, so it appears to be a cycle when it is, instead, just the depth of something being translated into something that can be easily understood.

(Can we perceive two cycles at once? Of course. Just look at some of all of your inter-personal relationships.)

There is nothing that "will happen" in future that is not happening right now. Same for past.

And it is everything that is happening, not really one event.

So, "this world merging with the dreamworld" is not really a single event that will happen. It is a representation of something that is happening now and "has happened" since the beginning of time.

You merge with the dream world every time you sleep, or breath, or think, etc. Those, too, are cycles and are no different or less important than the cycles of which you speak.

It will happen the same way it happens now. Without anyone really noticing or really caring about it that much.

Again, just a progression of perspective. Really, anything that we notice in our perspective is a part of this change. Any major change is reflected in our immediate experience.

A burst of gamma radiation could affect us less than, say, a burst of anger from a parent simply because one is more relative to our lives and experience than the other.

We are the energy that helps us to do such things.

The energy is there, but if we experience it it is because it is the thing that is most relative to our experience.

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Yes. DNA does not stop changing. There is no such thing as static DNA.

The rate of change is proportional, so it is not changing any more rapidly than it is a few thousand years ago.


Hope this helps.
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Heh!
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