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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Hello Chaol.

Thank you for a wonderful thread, you share a lot of information on a subject that we are not very familiar with and I admire your patience.

I do have a couple of questions too. Firstly, you are stating that emotions, are "infections"? This does not make sense to me. Love is an emotion and everything blossoms from love. I also intend to say that emotions are indeed the intentions, or the force behind actions taken in our lives - so tell me how then, can emotions be infections?

Changing your own perspective of life and manifesting desired events into your reality, is not a well known subject - however a few people already have the basic knowledge of it, some are also already applying this knowledge into their reality, purposely.

I guess it does not hurt to be taught deeper into this subject, as it is both fascinating and useful. Who would not want to be able to control more of their percepted reality:)

However, there are some things that you say, that I find a little unclear. When you speak of "travel" between these perspectives, you need to elaborate more on what really happens to our PHYSICAL bodies while we conduct such "travel". I think a few are concerned how it feels like to their bodies.

Thank you
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Thanks.

Regarding emotions-as-infections, I just mean to illustrate that emotions attempt to colonize a person by using the host's resources to reproduce.

Emotions are not created from scratch. They also begin to integrate with the person as soon as the person becomes 'infected'.

By "infections" I do not mean a negative or detrimental process occurring in a person's mind or body. However, we have no clear understanding of emotions (or consciousness) in this world. This, of course, does not validate my claims that emotions are infections. But the fact that there is no clear understanding of what emotions are should at least open the door to the possibility that the process of biochemical processes interacting with environmental influences is the same with the body (as a virus, in getting sick) as with the mind (emotions).

Our world has discovered that there are also virii that promote health and physical well-being, not just disease. In this world, such parasites are ignored because they're of no harm.

To respond to your query about how it physically feels to change perspectives, I think most of you know this already.

e.g., how does it feel physically to fall asleep? Changing perspectives to your dream world is mostly a non-physical sensation of no particular significance. What I do is no different. There is really no physical feeling in that sense.
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I also remember Chaol saying perceptions are emotions. It does seem emotions take over the host. I just thought I had issues to deal with or something.

But, doesn't Chaol's explanation take it out of something we included in our perception...as if it's something happening outside of our "control."

I see I'm still at the same point of trying to understand Chaol's teachings. From the start, I always tried to see if he feels there are forces that influence our experiences that are beyond our control.
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This will be my last question for today.

So if +PL means "changing", would -PL mean "constant"?
And if +P-L means "continuous", would +P+L mean "discreet"?
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-PL (low possibility, neutral logic) would mean constant if that's how you define it.

Other than the few icons of the 66 icons that I have defined, no others have definitions until users in this world ascribed standard definitions to them. (thus the game/app, which see)

It is still very usable without the standard definitions (because you would give them your own personal definitions).

Personal definitions for the icon sets would be much more powerful than a standard set of definitions.

Hope this helps some.
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For the new poster (etiop?), here is an exlpanation from Chaol on Ec.

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Nothing truly exists because what is true is that which cannot be perceived and is beyond existence. Truth does not exist because existence is irrelevant to it.

Non-existence created an illusion so that it could relate to itself. From that came the illusion of existence and consciousness. From that relationship came a third, fourth, and so on.

Each illusion fluctuates in order to maintain balance. The balance is whatever expends the least amount of energy. It constantly gravitates to that point, if you will. This enables the illusion of movement, progress, whatever.

So then we have what seems to be a never-ending universe of things, ideas, etc., from these constantly-changing relationships.

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Are you familiar with the concept of Maya and Mara?
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Unfortunately, no. What can you say about it/them?
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"Non-existence created an illusion." How?, I say. Chaol, come back. I need an answer to this. What properties make up non-existence that it can create an illusion? A mind?
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Hi,chaol thanks for answering my questions just wanted to say i have tried two of my own symbols and they worked!!i am both amazed and spooked by it!It took around 10 days ,so thank you for that .What is the best world like that you have seen and what is the worst world like that you have seen ? Will the magic mirror be easy to use ?Thanks again
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Yeah, guess what, I tried it too. But in a different way:

The fan, in my sons laptop, was broken. I picked up the laptop and placed my hand over it, and I could SEE inside my head what was wrong with it. The fan was actually not fastened properly and kept making noises.

I tried to think of, what would be most logical for me, in order to try and fix it. "Surgery", since I am a nurse, "surgery" would be the most logic way of fixing it.

So I performed "surgery" on the laptop, in my minds eye, fastening the fan, moving my hands as if I had a screwdriver (haha) I thought to myself - "I must be crazy"

The laptop is fixed.
 Quoting: Malla


Sounds like the next level of the Genius (i.e., the abstract representation).

Try it again and again with different things. You'll get better at it.
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Aha! I had a hunch all the superpowers and psychic abilities we all think we have are once again, perceptions. Vedy interesante'!

Takes the steam out of all the folks with a messiah complex, Nobody wannabe's, etc: around here, heh!

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Thank you Chaol for your explanations, now to something else.

We are closing in on the last step on the mayan calendar pyramid. The era of conscious co-creation.

What can you tell us about this cycle that we are entering into. Does our world as we know it, merge with the "dreamworld" and how?

Are there forces out there (from the universe) like bursts of energy, that are actually helping more easily being able to visit other perspectives (like dimesions merging)?

Are our DNA's being upgraded or changed in any way?

Ty

 Quoting: Malla


Hi.

It's difficult to answer your question, as it presupposes that the cycle exists.

Rather than a cycle in time, imagine that we observe a color spectrum and call each color a 'cycle' as opposed to a 'translation' of light into different things which appear as colors.

We look back in time (and forward) and there appears to be a cycle, but it is only because of our perspective. All 'cycles' are occurring at once, so it is more like a translation of one thing into many things.

That is to say, a 'cycle' is the illusion of something that does not fit neatly into the perspective of time. You cannot perceive the entirety of it, so it appears to be a cycle when it is, instead, just the depth of something being translated into something that can be easily understood.

(Can we perceive two cycles at once? Of course. Just look at some of all of your inter-personal relationships.)

There is nothing that "will happen" in future that is not happening right now. Same for past.

And it is everything that is happening, not really one event.

So, "this world merging with the dreamworld" is not really a single event that will happen. It is a representation of something that is happening now and "has happened" since the beginning of time.

You merge with the dream world every time you sleep, or breath, or think, etc. Those, too, are cycles and are no different or less important than the cycles of which you speak.

It will happen the same way it happens now. Without anyone really noticing or really caring about it that much.

Again, just a progression of perspective. Really, anything that we notice in our perspective is a part of this change. Any major change is reflected in our immediate experience.

A burst of gamma radiation could affect us less than, say, a burst of anger from a parent simply because one is more relative to our lives and experience than the other.

We are the energy that helps us to do such things.

The energy is there, but if we experience it it is because it is the thing that is most relative to our experience.

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Yes. DNA does not stop changing. There is no such thing as static DNA.

The rate of change is proportional, so it is not changing any more rapidly than it is a few thousand years ago.


Hope this helps.
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Heh!
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Hi Chaol, very interesting material!

I have been wondering if it is possible to apply the Genius method on oneself instead of on external things, such as perhaps to develop new capabilities or talents, improve health issues etc.

Can you elaborate on that?

Thanks.
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There's really no difference between what seems to be internal and what seems to be external.

It's more a matter of, "How relative is X to my experience?"

As a rule of thumb, the closer X is to your senses the more relative it is to your experience. However, something may be powerful yet 'distant' that affects you in profound ways because you are picking up the stimuli from multiple points.

The only limit to the Genius is your imagination. If you can imagine it, then you're halfway there.

However, using the Genius on yourself should be more effective than using it for something that is not as relevant to your immediate experience.
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Another, heh!!!!
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Hi Choal,

glad to see your back. any idea how long you may be around this time? do you anticipate the APs being available before your next departure?

I am also curious about the above posted questions regarding the Mayan calender and merging of the dream world. I seem to recall in an earlier post you made a comment indicating strange things would begin to happen this year in regards to a merging of worlds but in a more recent post you are saying 2013. Am I interpreting wrong? There are other threads on GLP about how this year will see an acceleration of time like never before based on Mayan calender. Possibly beginning Feb or March 2011. Is any of this related to what you have been trying to share with us?

I will have more questions regarding the genius later but need to head out now.

thanks again for all your info.
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Hi. I will be around until the game/language app is released. Then everyone will say, "WTF is this?" then I will leave for a short time, then come back to finish up the Magic Mirror of Chaos, then everyone will say, "WTF!" then I will leave for a short time again, the come back and bake nice, warm chocolate-chip cookies.

All the while, your perspective is changing around you. Mostly starting in what you translate as '2011' (this year, of course)

Something actually happens before you perceive it to happen. (Just like you're sick a couple of days before you actually feel sick.)

For example, "September 11, 2001" actually 'started' to happen several weeks prior to the event. A few days before the event things began to happen. It's the same with anything else. It's just a matter of relative energies coming together. At some point it makes what you think of as the event or thing (such as a chair or a person) but really it 'existed' before that point was reached.

Think Star Trek's transporter for events and things.

So the 'important events' happen in 2013 but also before 2013, starting mostly at the beginning of the century but getting interesting from 2011, 2012.

Perhaps you see some of these 'dream events' happening around you? These represent a personal change and can be directly related to your experience even if physically or emotionally distant.
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Chaol,

Everything is representation. Got it. That means all this new age talk about ascension and awakening represent something too.

Yet, you dismiss it stating it makes no sense or that you know nothing about it. That strikes me as very close minded and a bit arrogant. Why don't you use your advanced ability to perspective shift and find out what all the hype around ascension and awakening are really about?

If you can clear that up for us I think you'll have an even more interesting story to tell here on GLP.
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Hi.

Of course, I am not familiar with all representations.

However, some representations are not representations of a process but more like shells that are just words with no corresponding thing.

If I say "Ecsys" and attach meaning to it, it does not mean that it has any validity beyond itself (the word and whatever else I have illustrated).

It is up to each person to find out what a symbol or representation means to them, to see if there's any value in it.

If representation X is not meaningful to someone then they probably would not really be able to answer a specific question about X, like a term that is used in its illustration.

When people talk about ascension and such, I don't really know what they're talking about because it doesn't relate to my experience that much. People are talking about such things for thousands of years in your world but there doesn't seem to be anything there.

Finding out about something that isn't really in my perspective would be quite difficult.

However, my guess is that 'ascension' and 'awakening' is more of a day-to-day hope that something more than ourselves exists, rather than something that may happen to them.

I would not want to really claim that we are 'always awake' and 'always ascended' which, though more accurate, would destroy the hope that moves some of us forward.
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Bless him. I doubt he knows how many beliefs I have re-evaluated since I've run across him.
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Chaol,

Where are you located in Canada? I am in Vancouver. I would like to meet to discuss the Genius. Is that a possibility?
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Hi. Thanks for the ThohT. However, I prefer to keep myself out of the equation as much as possible.

Although this way may make it less likely that Ecsys would spread far and wide (because people usually to think about other people) I think it will spread deeply to those people who think about ideas more than people.

Few and far between, indeed, but deep as the planets in the galaxy.

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Food for thought!

Evolution may work both backwards and forwards.

A human engineer would look at how the brain works and re-engineer it, considering it highly inefficient and filled with legacy (and unnecessary) parts. "We are optimized for an ancestral environment and not the present one", it may be said.

Fortunately, nature is much more of an engineer than its human genes can build. Of the brain it may say, "This system is a wondrous composite of complete possibility, making relative all past/future states of this system"

The engineer's actions would be like re-designing the Grand Canyon because she thinks it optimized for a prehistoric environment. (Without actually knowing of any future environment.)

What is failed to be realized is that the human mind is perfectly optimized for the future. We do not have a total understanding of our current environment, much less past or future one.

Thus, the engineer would be killing off future possibilities (or "de-relativizing them").
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Interesting.
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Hi,chaol thanks for answering my questions just wanted to say i have tried two of my own symbols and they worked!!i am both amazed and spooked by it!It took around 10 days ,so thank you for that .What is the best world like that you have seen and what is the worst world like that you have seen ? Will the magic mirror be easy to use ?Thanks again
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Yeah, guess what, I tried it too. But in a different way:

The fan, in my sons laptop, was broken. I picked up the laptop and placed my hand over it, and I could SEE inside my head what was wrong with it. The fan was actually not fastened properly and kept making noises.

I tried to think of, what would be most logical for me, in order to try and fix it. "Surgery", since I am a nurse, "surgery" would be the most logic way of fixing it.

So I performed "surgery" on the laptop, in my minds eye, fastening the fan, moving my hands as if I had a screwdriver (haha) I thought to myself - "I must be crazy"

The laptop is fixed.
 Quoting: Malla


Sounds like the next level of the Genius (i.e., the abstract representation).

Try it again and again with different things. You'll get better at it.
 Quoting: Chaol








Aha! I had a hunch all the superpowers and psychic abilities we all think we have are once again, perceptions. Vedy interesante'!

Takes the steam out of all the folks with a messiah complex, Nobody wannabe's, etc: around here, heh!
 Quoting: U3


I was just wondering about psychic abilities from an Ec perspective today. Makes me think anyone could develop that skill. But most won't bother because it seems too far fetched, weird or scary. It would be difficult to get from "here" to "there."

Also, I really have to think about the whole "emotions are infections" thing. Can't quite get my head around that. Not sure I want to be without my emotions. But I don't want to be ruled by them either.

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Yeah, guess what, I tried it too. But in a different way:

The fan, in my sons laptop, was broken. I picked up the laptop and placed my hand over it, and I could SEE inside my head what was wrong with it. The fan was actually not fastened properly and kept making noises.

I tried to think of, what would be most logical for me, in order to try and fix it. "Surgery", since I am a nurse, "surgery" would be the most logic way of fixing it.

So I performed "surgery" on the laptop, in my minds eye, fastening the fan, moving my hands as if I had a screwdriver (haha) I thought to myself - "I must be crazy"

The laptop is fixed.
 Quoting: Malla


Sounds like the next level of the Genius (i.e., the abstract representation).

Try it again and again with different things. You'll get better at it.
 Quoting: Chaol








Aha! I had a hunch all the superpowers and psychic abilities we all think we have are once again, perceptions. Vedy interesante'!

Takes the steam out of all the folks with a messiah complex, Nobody wannabe's, etc: around here, heh!
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I was just wondering about psychic abilities from an Ec perspective today. Makes me think anyone could develop that skill. But most won't bother because it seems too far fetched, weird or scary.

Also, I really have to think about the whole "emotions are infections" thing. Can't quite get my head around that. Not sure I want to be without my emotions. But I don't want to be ruled by them either.
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From reading Chaol's post, I don't think psychic abilities are so much to be developed, as they are a change of perspective. He did tell the poster to continue practice but as he says, we already use a Genius, we are just now learning HOW we use it. So I assume he means for her to continue so she starts seeing how it worked for her.

Yes, I can't get my head around that about emotions either. I would like to know about the state he really lives in. He has said he prefers to forget his actual state and get involved in the illusion. (not his exact words but I think that's the meaning.)

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Hi Chaol. Thanks for your reply. I have to work on your suggestions.
When it comes to moving between worlds or realities, I guess there are different levels of relationships between worlds. Let's say an Interstellar may travel from another star system by a ship which actually takes "time" but there are others who may just appear in an instant(in a ship or not). Is there any difference from your perspective of matters?

P.S: By " Yes, we have no bananas", did you mean there are no other handsome men from your world coming to ours? That is sadhf!
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Hi.

Travel betwixt worlds is mostly a relative thing. It takes fossil fuel for your ships to go to another world because that is the most relative way to get there, all things considered.

If I want to go somewhere I basically have two choices:

1) Know exactly where I am going: the 'method' that would probably take the least amount of energy is what you would refer to as just appearing there.
2) Not know exactly where I am going: the 'method' that would probably take the least amount of energy would be driving or walking, for example.

I make the 'destination' relative to my current perspective. That is to say, I find the 'destination' in my perspective and bring it more into focus, making it even more relative.

When you drive a car it may seem like you're moving through space but you're actually just experiencing what is most relative from 'point' A to point B. If you drive a car, it needs a certain type of fuel and has limitations (beyond which more energy would be required, which would be inefficient and thus highly unlikely to be experienced).

Drive something different to get a new set of limitations and remove the old ones.

Regarding bananas, there are about 7 billion men in my world, but more than half are gay or bi-sexual. (You have homosexuals fighting for rights here. We have asexuals doing the same.) So many of these bananas are green with envy. You're probably looking for ripe yellow bananas but we don't really export to this world, unfortunately. Perhaps a nice orange?
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this thread was started over four years ago, nothing has changed at all.
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this thread was started over four years ago, nothing has changed at all.
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Maybe you don't have eyes to see changes, yet.
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this thread was started over four years ago, nothing has changed at all.
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Maybe you don't have eyes to see changes, yet.
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that is rather sarcastic to say the least. i do have eyes very clear eyes. i see the issues in the world very clearly. what i don't see, is all the wilful doom that's spouted out all the time which i see as complete and utter dog food. there are too many dreamers here and sounds like you are one of them. take the plank of wood out of your own eyes before suggesting to others how to remove the spec out of theirs.
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this thread was started over four years ago, nothing has changed at all.
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Maybe you don't have eyes to see changes, yet.
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that is rather sarcastic to say the least. i do have eyes very clear eyes. i see the issues in the world very clearly. what i don't see, is all the wilful doom that's spouted out all the time which i see as complete and utter dog food. there are too many dreamers here and sounds like you are one of them. take the plank of wood out of your own eyes before suggesting to others how to remove the spec out of theirs.
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I wasn't suggesting you need to remove a spec from your eyes. I am suggesting that you may learn how to expand your perspective so you see "changes."
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this thread was started over four years ago, nothing has changed at all.
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Maybe you don't have eyes to see changes, yet.
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that is rather sarcastic to say the least. i do have eyes very clear eyes. i see the issues in the world very clearly. what i don't see, is all the wilful doom that's spouted out all the time which i see as complete and utter dog food. there are too many dreamers here and sounds like you are one of them. take the plank of wood out of your own eyes before suggesting to others how to remove the spec out of theirs.
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I wasn't suggesting you need to remove a spec from your eyes. I am suggesting that you may learn how to expand your perspective so you see "changes."
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i do understand what you mean, i think changes that are happening are not moving quick enough, hence the need for doom, perhaps inner conflicts need arising and clearing in order to see perspectives more clearly
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Maybe you don't have eyes to see changes, yet.
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that is rather sarcastic to say the least. i do have eyes very clear eyes. i see the issues in the world very clearly. what i don't see, is all the wilful doom that's spouted out all the time which i see as complete and utter dog food. there are too many dreamers here and sounds like you are one of them. take the plank of wood out of your own eyes before suggesting to others how to remove the spec out of theirs.
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I wasn't suggesting you need to remove a spec from your eyes. I am suggesting that you may learn how to expand your perspective so you see "changes."
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i do understand what you mean, i think changes that are happening are not moving quick enough, hence the need for doom, perhaps inner conflicts need arising and clearing in order to see perspectives more clearly
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Is it possible that since you are the observer, what you observe might be up to you?
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that is rather sarcastic to say the least. i do have eyes very clear eyes. i see the issues in the world very clearly. what i don't see, is all the wilful doom that's spouted out all the time which i see as complete and utter dog food. there are too many dreamers here and sounds like you are one of them. take the plank of wood out of your own eyes before suggesting to others how to remove the spec out of theirs.
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I wasn't suggesting you need to remove a spec from your eyes. I am suggesting that you may learn how to expand your perspective so you see "changes."
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i do understand what you mean, i think changes that are happening are not moving quick enough, hence the need for doom, perhaps inner conflicts need arising and clearing in order to see perspectives more clearly
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Is it possible that since you are the observer, what you observe might be up to you?
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i agree totally, nothing more to add.
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I wasn't suggesting you need to remove a spec from your eyes. I am suggesting that you may learn how to expand your perspective so you see "changes."
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i do understand what you mean, i think changes that are happening are not moving quick enough, hence the need for doom, perhaps inner conflicts need arising and clearing in order to see perspectives more clearly
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Is it possible that since you are the observer, what you observe might be up to you?
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i agree totally, nothing more to add.
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You can leave it at that if you wish. However, if you read this thread, you will see many helpful tips on how to expand your perspective. You will also see a lot of posts from people who did start seeing things differently. In fact, one was posted here just yesterday.
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Also thinking about what you said about something cycling because it can't be presented "all at once" or there's some "problem" or "constraint" in the way of presentation.

So like a computer program, there's something akin to a presentation layer to reality as we know it?

So the internal state of reality could be completely different from the presentation layer, or is the presentation layer all that there is? If there is something like a presentation layer, that means you could swap it out for some other presentation layer, the way hackers have done with some video games - plugging in an ASCII art renderer in place of the normal 3D one.
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In a way.

Except that the presentation layer, as you call it, would be the same as any other layer. The same, but different. (Two perspectives of the same thing, in a way.)

"Swapping it out for some other presentation layer" is just a new perspective. You're doing this constantly, without realizing it.

Changing perspective = finding the most efficient experience.
 Quoting: Chaol




There it is in a nutshell. The post before this, Chaol said what we "dream," at night, is the next logical experience for us to perceive.
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Okay, by any chance, do any guys here wear jeans and chambray shirts? Wrinkled shirt, sleeves rolled up, top couple of buttons undone and tucked in? No bullshit kinda guy?

Similiar to this shirt:
[link to denimaniac.com]



I keep seeing this guy in the astral or spiritual plane...I don't know what to call it since Chaol had me convinced there is no spiritual. That is, until just before he left this time, and told me there is spiritual.

Just wait until he gets back. He's got explainin' to do. headbang

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My absence is a type of trial, to see how well people fare with the material on their own accord.

To me, it is interesting that the material seems so dependent on me in this forum (as if they were both one and the same).

Of course, ideas are independent of their 'creators'. I did not create Ecsys. You did.

Ecsys was before me and will be after me. It is powerful by itself, if you use it as instructed.
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I figured something like this is going on. Not saying that's all that's going on, but a consideration.
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Chaol,

Your leave of absence is making your message less relevant to us all.
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Hi.

I've spoken a few times before about the need to separate the message from the messenger.

However, I wouldn't say "all". More likely to those who think the two are the same.

It's nearly intentional.
 Quoting: Chaol




I'm in a part of the thread where they are doing the same thing as we are currently doing.....waiting for Chaol. And, when Chaol returns, he states...."it's nearly intentional" (talking about the wait!)
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My absence is a type of trial, to see how well people fare with the material on their own accord.

To me, it is interesting that the material seems so dependent on me in this forum (as if they were both one and the same).

Of course, ideas are independent of their 'creators'. I did not create Ecsys. You did.

Ecsys was before me and will be after me. It is powerful by itself, if you use it as instructed.
 Quoting: Chaol 1354615


Chaol,

When you refer to "people", to who, or what do you refer?

[snips]
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


Above, I mean that my visible absence is a trial to see how the vocal people fare in this forum during it.

Are "people" differenting perspectives, and how are they connected?
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


There is but one perspective. You could say that this one perspective is composed of an endless variety of relationships.

Some of these relationships seem to be people, or memories, or objects, concepts, etc.

In what way would you be able to infer if they were working?
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow

What is "they"?

If you are from an "alternate" perspective, how do you relate to this one, and why is your partner only existant in this perspective and not another?
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I simply focus more on your world's representation in my world.

My partner does not exist in my world because it's a different world filled with different relationships (to simplify)

I could probably find someone that looks exactly like here, but it would not be the same.
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I thought he was taking her to his world but she can't stay very long.
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what was the purpose of the ancient monuments e.g. great pyramid, stonehenge, etc? what did these symbols and shapes represent?
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Hi.

The main pyramid at Gizeh serves different purposes over time.

It is mostly built as a machine. Again, for different purposes over time.

Computers are pretty large 40 years ago and even larger thousands of years ago :)

But this particular pyramid was more about what would be called an electrical switch box. A computer still, but not the way we currently think of computing devices.

Also, it must be realized that the Earth is not in the same position then as it is today, nor does the sky look the same or objects glow the same.

Stonehenge is less about the stars and more about being able to harness and distribute energies, similar to a router. That it has some correlation with the stars is the same as putting your computer near an outlet (intentional and it helps the process).

We happen to see large objects made of stone and get an incomplete picture. But we miss all of the non-stone objects that would paint a more complete picture.

We are not much different then as we are now. Things look newer, cleaner, fresher now but mirror functions that we've had for a very long time.
 Quoting: Chaol




Finally found what Chaol says the pyramids are for.

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Hey, U3. I noticed there was some discussion about a user creating an Ec app. Did that ever happen?
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Hey, U3. I noticed there was some discussion about a user creating an Ec app. Did that ever happen?
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Yes, an Ec dictionary was launched but had some bugs. Two of our posters agreed to work on it the last I heard. But, both of them are real busy. Knowing them as I do, though, if they get something for us, they will post it.

In the meantime, I think some are making flash cards to learn the language.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
REQUIRED READING...

Kybalion

google for free 55 page pdf version.



Emotion are infections because you are nothing, certainly nothing that can be fit in as small a box as an emotion, these are passing things that make you perceive and associate a certain way, chocolate affects your hormones, release dopamine, and you feel happier for a while.... you are infected with chocolate happiness....but you certainly wouldn't say you ARE happiness.

Chaol talks about making genius maps and mentions the hard part is finding what we want... well what we want is unity, to experience the all and totality of our existence, the separation is what causes our suffering. But that is void of experience and realization.

I think the idea is a sort of surrender, where we give up thought and start "thinking with our heart, and feeling with our mind" opening up to our perceptions, and trying to create the mot unity by embodying that which i closest to the source fabric of the universe (something akin to love)

WHen we realize if we had super power and can do anything, how long till we would get bored? The all know better so surrender to it, realize we have everything we need. We don't know anything and thus get to be surprised by ourselves, gifting ourselves through all time. Where are you right now?

THe all only wants us (itelf) to be happy and we only wanna be happy, easy right... so be happy. Unfortunately not that easy, so relax into it. Chaol's four rules of not making expectations, judging, being honest, doing new things. These help us open up to more of ourselves and thus receive more and more and are happier and happier.

Perhaps the genius is just a way of guiding karma. The universe doesn't judge or pick the side of good or evil... it picks you. so the universe gives you what you focus on, focus on your highest embody meant of yourself and love and you will receive it.

There is nothing to do but surrender and experience. Look at the cloud, touch a tree, focus on feeling the water when you wash your hands instead of thinking about how you are getting clean. If you aren't doing that, can you really say you are commited to learning what chaol i teaching, if we ignore i initial 4 guidelines? Get out of your head and live!

P.S. fulfilled a genius map the other day. A little scandalous so all I can say is that it was me plus "dua" ladies on my bed ;)



Eat your heart out other Men MEs out there :-p

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