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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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So, did Chaol give any indication of when he's going to come back, or do we just know that it will be sometime in 2013?
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What would you expect from a site that does the EC -> English mapping?

I've been mulling over making one for the longest time, and though I'm not going to promise anything... I'm going to start fleshing it out.

I never fully got my head around it though, so it's up to you guys to let me know how you think it should work.

What would the users enter? What would be presented? You can have multiple EC symbols for a single word, can't you?

Any resources you guys have saved links for would be appreciated too to save me having to crawl through all the threads - as I've got the way back machine, but some of the image links are broken and I'm pretty sure things have been documented else where.

If you give me some ideas, I may start putting things in motion :)
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popopo....aren't you fun? heh! I've got a question for you. Do you feel you can improve Chaol's material? For myself, I'm just trying to grasp what Chaol teaches right now. Granted, I haven't been here as long as you plus I admit, I may be slow in learning all this too. I guess I really don't get how it's different from what Chaol teaches.

As far as personal alphabets, that's what I was doing when I found these threads. I made my own sigils and esp. from symbols I got from meditation and dreamtime. One of my first questions to Chaol was if these were good to use. He said they are not as powerful since they came from my own mind instead of from Ec.

I remember being puzzled for a while about this because I thought the messages I got from my inner self would be the most powerful there could be. Not so. Not compared to Ec.

Here's what Chaol says about Ec on his last site:

[link to web.archive.org]

"By beginning to think in EC you are utilizing a system that is several hundred times more efficient than English or any other natural language. When you think in a language that is slow, inefficient, and cumbersome (like English) you are wasting mental capacity because your thinking process becomes slow and dense. There is a direct connection between how you think (and perceive) and what you experience. The less your brain has to filter out for you at each moment, the more you can experience the 99% of your reality that you currently ignore.

EC is designed to directly interface with perception. Using it, your intelligence will substantially increase and your perceptions will expand as you understand reality more. By increasing the speed at which you think relative to your environment you are decreasing the lag time between what you think and what you experience. Your reality becomes more free of physical constraints.





AC37033582: Chaol did not give us a return date. Nor, did any of us ask what the return date would be. I wish I had asked him.





OTR: An Ec website would be awesome. Yes, each icon can be used in many ways. It's a personal language but can also be used in conversation.

You will find links to other Ec resources in the lefthand column in the Favorite Links section here: [link to gumpylife.blogspot.com]

I'd be glad to discuss ideas with you as you go along. Thanks for telling us about this. The only idea I have at this point is some way to utilitze input/output better.

Also, I've wondered if Chaol will build a new website when he gets back. He has had 2 sites since 2009. And, he has said all along, that as we understand more, there will be more material provided. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

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If you find you are attaching your identity to anything... you will suffer... because that is not you
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I think this could also be why Chaol tells us to "become somebody else." What do you think?
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U3, just a heads up I'll make a post about EC and answer your question in a few hours to a day. I have been meaning to get around to posting some hints but haven't been practicing with it much lately.

However, I think I am finally at the point where I more or less understand what he is getting at with the language.
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U3, just a heads up I'll make a post about EC and answer your question in a few hours to a day. I have been meaning to get around to posting some hints but haven't been practicing with it much lately.

However, I think I am finally at the point where I more or less understand what he is getting at with the language.
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Awesome. Looking forwward to it.
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A crash course in telepathy.

1) Find a willing partner. (Er.. one who is patient)

2) Have your partner visualize an object that you know and wait 5-10 seconds to tell you.

3) During this 5-10 second period, try to visualize what your partner is seeing in their mind.

4) At the end of 5-10 seconds, your partner tells you what object he/she was thinking of

5) Quickly repeat from step 2

6) Do this hundreds (or thousands) of times

You would then (likely) be able to know more about what he/she is thinking, and possibly other persons with whom you have some interaction.
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Post speaks for itself.
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Argh!

hf

This is the point I stopped listening to Bashar.

He also talked about bringing his reality closer, to the point of being able to "co-create".
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I guess all of "us" are the same heh

Your reality is, of course, much closer to ours than an "ET". I assume your intent of teaching us (given this is real) is to allow us to merge realities - perhaps because of your Love over here.

 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


Someone has finally figured it out! :)


How do we work out which reality is best for us to merge with?

This reality, obviously isn't working. I'd personally be all too happy to join to a new perspective. What power do we have as an "individual" to direct the best possible outcome for us?

(I feel like I'm talking crazy here, help me out!)
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


The reality that is best to merge with (regardless of the usage of terms) is the one that is easiest, following the Law of Energy Perspective:

"we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive."

Cheapest isn't always the best when you're shopping at Target, but in terms of the big picture (what you'd call the universe and everything of it) cheapest also happens to be the best. It's quite efficient in this way.

Actually, whatever reality you're experiencing is working quite well (the process, at least).

Practically-speaking though (for this rest of this post), if you're not happy with your reality then do not focusing on changing it. Focus, instead, on changing the representations.

The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.

It could be that what's holding you back is a little object in the corner of the room.

Why do most people like to get out of town on holiday? Because they're (mostly) surrounded by a new set of representations.

However, it's not the size of the representation that matters. It's the effect that makes the difference.

Start thusly:

1) Try re-arranging the representations you have, in order to change your relationship with the things they represent. For example, this could be putting some photos you have in an album on the wall. Or moving the furniture around in your living room. Or sleeping on the other side of the bed, or getting a new bed. It could be taking an object you really love and giving it to someone else.

Shake up your world! If you want a new reality then learn to manage the one you have, not just live in it.

You are surrounded by representations. This isn't just hyperbole. These representations embody every thought you have, every experience you've had, and everything that is happening to you right now.

2) Find out what the representations are by seeing the effect of your having re-arranged them. It might be subtle but can still be noticed.

3) Change the representations. Even the ones you think are not doing any 'harm' in your reality could be the ones holding you back. Perhaps your trophies from high school in your bedroom are holding you back and giving you the idea that your prime is over. It could be that your ring from university or old love letters are what's holding you back. Even if you don't see or experience the representations every day they still exist in the physical map of your mind. You know where they are, and they're still a part of or close to your physical reality and that is what makes the difference.

What do you change your representations to? Anything that takes the least amount of energy is good for now (until it is no longer). Do not assume that you know the best representation for something (you probably don't, and it's probably counter-intuitive). Just go with the one that takes the least amount of energy. Instead of representing a lost love by looking for a Barbie doll, just go with the magazine that happens to lay next to you. Maybe it's a travel magazine and you'd get in touch with her when you take a trip. Then you will begin to see how your reality works.

Not only do we "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" but we also create that which takes the least amount of energy to create.

Hope this helps.
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Another post that speaks for itself.
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Sure.

But first, tell me exactly what you'd like to experience.
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I want to be a successful professional golfer.
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This is good, but can you be (much more) exact than that?

Again, "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive".

So what you're probably doing is allowing yourself to pretend that you are a professional golfer for a short burst of time, because that is the 'reality' that utilizes the least amount of energy.

Ever feel like a professional golfer when you're playing golf on PS3?

If you tell the universe "I want to be a successful professional golfer" Sony's device is probably where it would direct you (or xbox, or a book about Jack Nicklaus, or a golf open, or...). You get the idea.

Tell me exactly what you want to experience and make it hard for the universe to send you to your xbox!

Make it easier, instead, for the universe to give you exactly what you want.

That's why we create a set of rules with the Genius. Because we don't take "umm... not this time, buddy" for an answer!
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I had been wondering if the rules help direct the Universe into giving us what we want. Now, I know for sure!!! 5a
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A crash course in telepathy.

1) Find a willing partner. (Er.. one who is patient)

2) Have your partner visualize an object that you know and wait 5-10 seconds to tell you.

3) During this 5-10 second period, try to visualize what your partner is seeing in their mind.

4) At the end of 5-10 seconds, your partner tells you what object he/she was thinking of

5) Quickly repeat from step 2

6) Do this hundreds (or thousands) of times

You would then (likely) be able to know more about what he/she is thinking, and possibly other persons with whom you have some interaction.
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, Chaol... hf!
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


A note:

This works because you are learning how to already perceive what was already there.

You just have to "convince" your mind that you're worthy of it.

"Show me now, dammit! I'm sick of waiting 5-10 seconds!"

And then it happens.

But, again, with telepathy "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" so stop trying to think of stuff. Just let it occur to you.

It works more with those with whom you have a connection. (But sometimes, your assumptions with what they might be thinking would get in the way. So sometimes it is easier to think of what an acquaintance is thinking than a best friend.)

[to add: you perceiving what was already there is no different than your friend perceiving what was already there when s/he thinks of it. Sometin to tink about.]
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Follow-up to mental telephathy I just re-posted.

But also...a huge.....AHA!!!!!! So, getting mad convinces the mind I'm worthy!!!!!! hell_boy
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The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.
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To follow up, these relationships are your reality. You don't remember something because it's stored in your brain. You remember it because of the mental and physical map of representations that you are working with.

Nothing else "exists" besides the relationships between one representation to every other. (Nothing)

This is somewhat a paradox because the representation is not real, per se. But the relationship between one thing to another makes it real*.

Ever have a memory of something that "didn't happen"? Or deja vu? The relationships create and re-create your memories and experience, at every moment. Most times you don't even know when your memory has changes, because there is correlation with the rest of your representations (artefacts, friends, etc.)

We can take relationships from home with us when we move or go to work (by living in the mental map, so to speak).

Find new representations (mentally and physically), and you've found a new reality.

*There is a gem in there more important than Einstein's famous mass–energy equivalence. It takes us back to the 'beginning of the universe' when there were no representations to the end, and everything in between. The enterprising mind will find out what it is! (Or not.)
 Quoting: Chaol





Just for the hell of it, let's figure out this "gem."

lflash

He made the statement one time to figure out the origin of our existence. I think this "gem" is related.

How did we first start using geogrpahy of relationships? After all, we don't exist unless we observe!!!!!!!!


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The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.
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To follow up, these relationships are your reality. You don't remember something because it's stored in your brain. You remember it because of the mental and physical map of representations that you are working with.

Nothing else "exists" besides the relationships between one representation to every other. (Nothing)

This is somewhat a paradox because the representation is not real, per se. But the relationship between one thing to another makes it real*.

Ever have a memory of something that "didn't happen"? Or deja vu? The relationships create and re-create your memories and experience, at every moment. Most times you don't even know when your memory has changes, because there is correlation with the rest of your representations (artefacts, friends, etc.)

We can take relationships from home with us when we move or go to work (by living in the mental map, so to speak).

Find new representations (mentally and physically), and you've found a new reality.

*There is a gem in there more important than Einstein's famous mass–energy equivalence. It takes us back to the 'beginning of the universe' when there were no representations to the end, and everything in between. The enterprising mind will find out what it is! (Or not.)
 Quoting: Chaol





Just for the hell of it, let's figure out this "gem."

lflash

He made the statement one time to figure out the origin of our existence. I think this "gem" is related.

How did we first start using geogrpahy of relationships? After all, we don't exist unless we observe!!!!!!!!


popcorn
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What is it exactly that you think he is trying to say here?
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.
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To follow up, these relationships are your reality. You don't remember something because it's stored in your brain. You remember it because of the mental and physical map of representations that you are working with.

Nothing else "exists" besides the relationships between one representation to every other. (Nothing)

This is somewhat a paradox because the representation is not real, per se. But the relationship between one thing to another makes it real*.

Ever have a memory of something that "didn't happen"? Or deja vu? The relationships create and re-create your memories and experience, at every moment. Most times you don't even know when your memory has changes, because there is correlation with the rest of your representations (artefacts, friends, etc.)

We can take relationships from home with us when we move or go to work (by living in the mental map, so to speak).

Find new representations (mentally and physically), and you've found a new reality.

*There is a gem in there more important than Einstein's famous mass–energy equivalence. It takes us back to the 'beginning of the universe' when there were no representations to the end, and everything in between. The enterprising mind will find out what it is! (Or not.)
 Quoting: Chaol





Just for the hell of it, let's figure out this "gem."

lflash

He made the statement one time to figure out the origin of our existence. I think this "gem" is related.

How did we first start using geogrpahy of relationships? After all, we don't exist unless we observe!!!!!!!!


popcorn
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What is it exactly that you think he is trying to say here?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah





I think he is saying to figure out how we don't exist, yet exist through observation.

And personally, I don't believe we're talking about a which comes first thing. He says....."It takes us back to the 'beginning of the universe'"

How did we start? How does the uncreated become the created?

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What if all of this does "exist" and we don't. We may be "nothing" in the way the nothing within a box is the primary substance within the "space" the box occupies? What if our awareness is as a result of the shape of the environment (geometry of relationships) in the same way the nothing within a box is shaped by the box itself?hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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@U3

What if all of this does "exist" and we don't. We may be "nothing" in the way the nothing within a box is the primary substance within the "space" the box occupies? What if our awareness is as a result of the shape of the environment (geometry of relationships) in the same way the nothing within a box is shaped by the box itself?hf
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Lovely explanation, Jesse. Thank you. hf



So the "space" simultaneously is aware it exists as illusion and doesn't exist?
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Yep, and it's the awareness(space and shape or possibility and logic if you prefer) that lends meaning(representation or symbol) to the otherwise meaningless unobserved geometry (box).

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Yep, and it's the awareness(space and shape or possibility and logic if you prefer) that lends meaning(representation or symbol) to the otherwise meaningless unobserved geometry (box).
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HOW does it lend meaning? The brain is also a representation.
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The meaning is "lent" in the interaction between th representations. So the nothing within a box is something when you consider the shape the nothing holds as it is provided it's shape by the box.

The act of observing (interacting) with some kind logic(the shape of a box) within a possibility space(the inside of the box) yields an experience of a representation or symbol within perspective.

The box cannot exist without us observing it and we cannot observe without the box... It's all nothing and both presume the other into perspective.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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@U3

The meaning is "lent" in the interaction between th representations. So the nothing within a box is something when you consider the shape the nothing holds as it is provided it's shape by the box.

The act of observing (interacting) with some kind logic(the shape of a box) within a possibility space(the inside of the box) yields an experience of a representation or symbol within perspective.

The box cannot exist without us observing it and we cannot observe without the box... It's all nothing and both presume the other into perspective.
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It is a paradox, heh!

We have nothing, we have representation. What is the connection? What is observing and observing with what?
Fill in the blank. Observation is executed by........?

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hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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hf
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Observing Itself with what?

hf

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Chaol says perceptions are emotions and also says they are infections.
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hf
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Observing Itself with what?

hf
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The question does not compute. Its like asking fill in the blank:

The shape of the space within the box is shaped by _______.

Answer: the box.

Observation is executed by the ______.

Answer: the observer.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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hf
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Observing Itself with what?

hf
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The question does not compute. Its like asking fill in the blank:

The shape of the space within the box is shaped by _______.

Answer: the box.

Observation is executed by the ______.

Answer: the observer.
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Are you saying the observer is separate from the box and the space in the box?

I say the space and the box are the observer. I just don't get it, though. scratching
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Itself

hf
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Observing Itself with what?

hf
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The question does not compute. Its like asking fill in the blank:

The shape of the space within the box is shaped by _______.

Answer: the box.

Observation is executed by the ______.

Answer: the observer.
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Are you saying the observer is separate from the box and the space in the box?

I say the space and the box are the observer. I just don't get it, though. scratching
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They're not separate but they're technically not the same either. They're two representations of the same thing and what is observed is the two interacting.

The observer would be the recognition of the space and the box and not actually the box or the space. Ya know? Independent yet dependent. The text on your screen is meaningless without your ability to read. You (personally) are the ability of this perspective to read.

What we are, is that which observes.

If you want to test this, take your hands off the wheel (figuratively) behave as you spontaneously want to behave and observe your perspective. Pay attention to your perspective and see it in the third person.

This is incredibly fun in conversation, seeing it from an "objective" perspective where your spontaneous behavior yields a high possibility for very desirable or very undesirable experiences.

When we "dream" it's even more noticeable.

Next you'll ask again, I know, I know but "HOW" do we come to observe?

S=L(p^2-p)+I

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Observing Itself with what?

hf
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The question does not compute. Its like asking fill in the blank:

The shape of the space within the box is shaped by _______.

Answer: the box.

Observation is executed by the ______.

Answer: the observer.
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Are you saying the observer is separate from the box and the space in the box?

I say the space and the box are the observer. I just don't get it, though. scratching
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They're not separate but they're technically not the same either. They're two representations of the same thing and what is observed is the two interacting.

The observer would be the recognition of the space and the box and not actually the box or the space. Ya know? Independent yet dependent. The text on your screen is meaningless without your ability to read. You (personally) are the ability of this perspective to read.

What we are, is that which observes.

If you want to test this, take your hands off the wheel (figuratively) behave as you spontaneously want to behave and observe your perspective. Pay attention to your perspective and see it in the third person.

This is incredibly fun in conversation, seeing it from an "objective" perspective where your spontaneous behavior yields a high possibility for very desirable or very undesirable experiences.

When we "dream" it's even more noticeable.

Next you'll ask again, I know, I know but "HOW" do we come to observe?

S=L(p^2-p)+I

hf
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Wow! OK, I'll do just that. hf

And your Ec string......tha bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've got to study it. wtf
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That's not mine, it's Chaol's ecsys prime or whateva.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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That's not mine, it's Chaol's ecsys prime or whateva.
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Ohhhh, well, thanks for posting it. Somehow, I missed it!
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Jumping back into this thread. I was participating last year, but then GLP banned my IP address for a long time and I gave up trying to get back on to the site. I realized a few weeks ago I can access it again, so I have been trying to catch up with the Chaol threads & posts that I missed in my long absence. And, I am now know longer an anonymous coward.

About a year ago I was playing along at home and created a representation. Without getting into detail, let's just say, it represented me seeing someone who lives far away from me, someone I haven't seen in a very long time. I didn't specify how that would happen, just that it would.

The last time I posted on this thread, in May, I related that "step one" had happened. I don't want to get into detail about what that step was. I'll just say it was a logical requirement for the final goal.

Around the same time a possible opportunity at work fell into my lap - involving a trip to the place where this person happens to live!

It was all pretty freaky, how it happened. The chances were zero that I'd be asked to travel to this place on business, and then there it was: a new project appeared out of the blue, I was selected to run it (despite all odds), and as part of the project I would be required to travel a few months later, in September, to the place where this person happened to live!! I did absolutely nothing to maneuver my way into this situation at work. I simply said yes when asked if I would take on the project that was offered to me, out of the blue.

You can imagine how excited I was about this. But then, it all ......... unraveled. Step one unraveled itself first. Then I watched as the possibility for the trip went from 99% certain to 70% to 50% to 10% to 0%. What's more, the person I wanted to see? Moved! So even if the trip had materialized as a certainty, I would not have seen the person I wanted to see.

So I have been grumpy and cynical about all of this. Maybe it doesn't work after all? Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. I don't know. But, I decided to try again, so I've made a new representation.

The other weirdness is that some of the dates Chaol mentioned, in July '12 and September '12 (I forget at moment the exact dates he mentioned) align perfectly with critical events that were going on in my own personal life; the July date corresponded with the exact date step one unraveled for me. The September dates align with something else that happened, that I don't want to say. Call it a personal family crisis. So I keep wondering about that. Maybe I'm over-personalizing too much, but that is such a coincidence for me.
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Jumping back into this thread. I was participating last year, but then GLP banned my IP address for a long time and I gave up trying to get back on to the site. I realized a few weeks ago I can access it again, so I have been trying to catch up with the Chaol threads & posts that I missed in my long absence. And, I am now know longer an anonymous coward.

About a year ago I was playing along at home and created a representation. Without getting into detail, let's just say, it represented me seeing someone who lives far away from me, someone I haven't seen in a very long time. I didn't specify how that would happen, just that it would.

The last time I posted on this thread, in May, I related that "step one" had happened. I don't want to get into detail about what that step was. I'll just say it was a logical requirement for the final goal.

Around the same time a possible opportunity at work fell into my lap - involving a trip to the place where this person happens to live!

It was all pretty freaky, how it happened. The chances were zero that I'd be asked to travel to this place on business, and then there it was: a new project appeared out of the blue, I was selected to run it (despite all odds), and as part of the project I would be required to travel a few months later, in September, to the place where this person happened to live!! I did absolutely nothing to maneuver my way into this situation at work. I simply said yes when asked if I would take on the project that was offered to me, out of the blue.

You can imagine how excited I was about this. But then, it all ......... unraveled. Step one unraveled itself first. Then I watched as the possibility for the trip went from 99% certain to 70% to 50% to 10% to 0%. What's more, the person I wanted to see? Moved! So even if the trip had materialized as a certainty, I would not have seen the person I wanted to see.

So I have been grumpy and cynical about all of this. Maybe it doesn't work after all? Or maybe I'm doing something wrong. I don't know. But, I decided to try again, so I've made a new representation.

The other weirdness is that some of the dates Chaol mentioned, in July '12 and September '12 (I forget at moment the exact dates he mentioned) align perfectly with critical events that were going on in my own personal life; the July date corresponded with the exact date step one unraveled for me. The September dates align with something else that happened, that I don't want to say. Call it a personal family crisis. So I keep wondering about that. Maybe I'm over-personalizing too much, but that is such a coincidence for me.
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Welcome back and thanks for posting. hf

You're not the only one that has had a Genius produce opposite results. redface

After mine did that, I quit for a while and just read the threads. Then, finally, I decided that even opposite results are an indication it's working. Not the way I want it to work, but a sign something is happening.

So, I finally made another Genius. It seems to be working but I'm not finished yet, so we will see. There is more to it than making a Genius and working the rules, though. Chaol says if we aren't thinking new thoughts, doing different things, no Genius or Ec string will work.

It's not too surprising that your July and September dates coincided with Chaol's travel dates. He always plans his travels around nexus points. So, those dates had energy in them for things to happen, which, as you indicated, they happened for you.

Sorry the results aren't what you want. I'd say hang in there, read the threads and pick up all you can. Chaol will be back and can answer questions. Unfortunately, none of us thought to ask when he will be back, so it's wait and see right now.
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