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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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//truncated//

There is a load of understanding in this.

Somehow, Sekhmet is also associated with the chaon element. I see it in my mind's eye, but don't have the words for it yet.
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haha.. perhaps my girlfriend represents Sekhmet. just kidding
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It exists while I'm looking at it. I can also smell it, touch it, collect pine cones and grow another pine tree from it.

When I'm not looking at it, I don't know what happens.
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Don't stop on my account, please go ahead and prove that you see it, smell it, etc.

Not- Chaol
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Might I ask you to prove that I don't see it, smell it, touch it, etc:.

I will admit, I have tasted something and not known what the taste is. I have seen something and didn't know what it was right at first, so the mind filled in with a story. But, there was still something there to interpet.

I can't count the black dots in this illusion.
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Your turn. ;o)
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I can provide no proof that I nor you exist, so where should I start to disprove that you don't smell it, touch it, etc., and moreover that, even if I could, that I would be able to prove that you sensing a smell or touch means that the pine exists.

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They question if a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear? They answer that its not possible for a tree to fall unless somebody hears it.
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You have no proof of your existence?
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//truncated//

There is a load of understanding in this.

Somehow, Sekhmet is also associated with the chaon element. I see it in my mind's eye, but don't have the words for it yet.
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haha.. perhaps my girlfriend represents Sekhmet. just kidding
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Can hardly wait for the day when we get to hear more about this wonderful woman. After all, it is for her sake that we are all here on this forum.
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For what it's worth, an anecdote.

My husband is a very impatient driver. Whenever we go anywhere, he is apt to fly into road rage over bad or slow drivers who get in his way. I tend to get easily "infected" by his anger. I will experience it in the pit of my stomach, first as anxiety, then as fear (as I brace myself for impact, convinced we're going to crash), then when we finally park the car, as anger. I sometimes explode and freak out on him, for driving like an idiot and putting me through all that. I have gotten better over the years with this, learning to "zen out" and not allow his emotion to infect me in the first place, but it's not always easy to do.

Yesterday we were driving to dinner. A car in front of us was driving horribly, and the hubby started in on his usual script (above). I felt myself getting infected with negative emotions/sensations. But this time, it was weird. I suddenly had this image "none of this is real, it's an illusion, a simulated reality like the matrix." So I played with that perspective.

Is it true that his driving, his anger created my own emotions? What if the emotions just existed, and my mind created a perspective to explain it all? What if my mind put me in that car? What if the reality was that I wasn't in the car at all?

All I can say is that, while I still felt all the feelings (heart racing, tension as I braced for impact, swelling anger) I wasn't sure anymore where they were coming from. They weren't coming from me but they weren't necessarily coming from husband or the scene playing out in front of me on the road. The feelings arose, and then subsided, quite quickly I might add. And then we were on to the next scene (we were parked), and the rest of the day proceeded quite pleasantly, without the two of us arguing over his driving.

Then I come here today and realize while all this was playing out in my own "real" life, you all were discussing the emotions of anger.
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Thanks for sharing. It made me wonder.

If your husband is part of your perspective then it may follow that you and he share the same emotions.

That it only appears that your emotions are separate, but are just expressed according to what is relative to each of you.
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"As above, so below."

The element for "potential energy" is a circle.

The element for "interaction and association" is a circle that has been cut in half, with one half open above and the other half open below.

In the element named "chaon", the symbol for logic extends through both semi-circles, connecting the above and the below.

Where all lines meet is the element named "elementon", which is the symbol for representation. It seems to be shared both above and below, through logic.
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One other thing:

I noticed from the very beginning that the symbol for "chaon" is very similar to the astrological symbol for "Pisces".

[link to chinesehoroscop-e.com]

The two fishes:

[link to static6.depositphotos.com]

Except that the Pisces symbol is on a horizontal plane, with the semi-circles open to the right and the left. The element i/on is also horizontal, and there is a gap between the semi-circles. No elementon (or else two elementons, where the lines intersect).

It looks like an "H" in the English alphabet.

I am not saying that there is a connection between the symbol for Pisces and a chaon. It is just a tangent that I found curious.
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That's interesting. Some astronomers believe we are now in the Age of Pisces and will soon enter the Age of Aquarius.

Could the two worlds also signify the two ages? "Above" and "below", linked by a bridge?
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For what it's worth, an anecdote.

My husband is a very impatient driver. Whenever we go anywhere, he is apt to fly into road rage over bad or slow drivers who get in his way. I tend to get easily "infected" by his anger. I will experience it in the pit of my stomach, first as anxiety, then as fear (as I brace myself for impact, convinced we're going to crash), then when we finally park the car, as anger. I sometimes explode and freak out on him, for driving like an idiot and putting me through all that. I have gotten better over the years with this, learning to "zen out" and not allow his emotion to infect me in the first place, but it's not always easy to do.

Yesterday we were driving to dinner. A car in front of us was driving horribly, and the hubby started in on his usual script (above). I felt myself getting infected with negative emotions/sensations. But this time, it was weird. I suddenly had this image "none of this is real, it's an illusion, a simulated reality like the matrix." So I played with that perspective.

Is it true that his driving, his anger created my own emotions? What if the emotions just existed, and my mind created a perspective to explain it all? What if my mind put me in that car? What if the reality was that I wasn't in the car at all?

All I can say is that, while I still felt all the feelings (heart racing, tension as I braced for impact, swelling anger) I wasn't sure anymore where they were coming from. They weren't coming from me but they weren't necessarily coming from husband or the scene playing out in front of me on the road. The feelings arose, and then subsided, quite quickly I might add. And then we were on to the next scene (we were parked), and the rest of the day proceeded quite pleasantly, without the two of us arguing over his driving.

Then I come here today and realize while all this was playing out in my own "real" life, you all were discussing the emotions of anger.
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Thanks for sharing. It made me wonder.

If your husband is part of your perspective then it may follow that you and he share the same emotions.

That it only appears that your emotions are separate, but are just expressed according to what is relative to each of you.
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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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I've noticed that often I'll feel an emotion, and my mind then scrambles to label it and find a cause and an explanation. I've been realizing that the two are not always meant to be stitched together into a story.

I don't know where the emotions come from. Maybe they come from the colonies of bacteria -- the 90% of me?

It seems to me that emotions are a very effective way to drive the cart. Even the most logical person, if hit with just the right emotional hot button, will turn his cart. Then logic will step in to rationalize the action after the fact.
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I find this insight to be very helpful. Thank you!

I, too, have caught myself making up a story to explain the presence of an emotion or a mixture of them. Lately, I simply tell myself a different story, which mitigates uncomfortable emotions and expands the ones that I like.
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Yes, I've been practicing the "tell a different story" for awhile now. It works rather well, however, now I'm practicing "don't tell any story at all" and seeing what is there. It's been rather interesting!
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Expanding on my last comment...

It's like Schroedinger's Cat. When the observer asks the question and opens the box, the cat is manifested alive or dead, with complete backstory: it is alive and spitting angry because it's been stuck in a box; it is dead because it was left in the box so long it starved.

Our minds are doing this all the time. We are creating entire, elaborate backstories. When I feel anger my backstory may be my husband caused it because he was having road rage and he has road rage because he has unresolved issues from his childhood and is a control freak and also that driver who cut us off was texting.

Sometimes I play around with the idea "what if time actually runs backward, not forward?" (a possibility posed by recent science). If that is the case, then my experience of anger actually came first... it was the cause, not the effect. Turns everything on its ear.

So what happens if you drop the story? When you open up that box, will you find an elephant rather than a cat?
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It sounds like a map from one perspective to another. We find ways to made the journey relative to our experience. I suppose it does not matter what the story is, as long as it makes sense.

I believe this is where the power of the Genius comes in. The power to change the story and the context in which the new perspective sits. (As it's all one perspective anyway. So really it's just one continuous "story")
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popcorn

Got that "nexus" vibe again. I wonder if I'm right.
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If the biggest nexus is in May, as Chaol stated, then it could be.

2013 is the climax, from what I understand.

But processes are more important than events. But events are what we wish to see.
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Got that "nexus" vibe again. I wonder if I'm right.
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Two X flares, MM!

Thread: Another X Flare from our Sun!!! (((UPDATED : 4th X flares in 48 hours!!!!! NOW!!!))) X1.2 !!!!!!!!
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All I've wanted to do is sleep today.
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Me too! Such realistic dreams to boot!
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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
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I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
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Don't stop on my account, please go ahead and prove that you see it, smell it, etc.

Not- Chaol
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Might I ask you to prove that I don't see it, smell it, touch it, etc:.

I will admit, I have tasted something and not known what the taste is. I have seen something and didn't know what it was right at first, so the mind filled in with a story. But, there was still something there to interpet.

I can't count the black dots in this illusion.
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Your turn. ;o)
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I can provide no proof that I nor you exist, so where should I start to disprove that you don't smell it, touch it, etc., and moreover that, even if I could, that I would be able to prove that you sensing a smell or touch means that the pine exists.

Not-Chaol

They question if a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear? They answer that its not possible for a tree to fall unless somebody hears it.
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You have no proof of your existence?
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how can i know i exist?
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popcorn

Got that "nexus" vibe again. I wonder if I'm right.
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Two X flares, MM!

Thread: Another X Flare from our Sun!!! (((UPDATED : 4th X flares in 48 hours!!!!! NOW!!!))) X1.2 !!!!!!!!
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All I've wanted to do is sleep today.
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Me too! Such realistic dreams to boot!
 Quoting: CatCarel





The first flare reached earth today.
Thread: X3.2 Solar Flare confirmed just now. This is the strongest of the event so far and the third X flare in 24 hours.
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popcorn

Got that "nexus" vibe again. I wonder if I'm right.
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If the biggest nexus is in May, as Chaol stated, then it could be.

2013 is the climax, from what I understand.

But processes are more important than events. But events are what we wish to see.
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Wow! hf
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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
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I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
 Quoting: Chaol






LOL! I just now read this in another thread. I'll go get it. BRB!!!!

Got it....

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)


We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
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Yep. That'd be it.
 Quoting: Chaol


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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
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That is exactly what we would conclude
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Might I ask you to prove that I don't see it, smell it, touch it, etc:.

I will admit, I have tasted something and not known what the taste is. I have seen something and didn't know what it was right at first, so the mind filled in with a story. But, there was still something there to interpet.

I can't count the black dots in this illusion.
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Your turn. ;o)
 Quoting: U3


I can provide no proof that I nor you exist, so where should I start to disprove that you don't smell it, touch it, etc., and moreover that, even if I could, that I would be able to prove that you sensing a smell or touch means that the pine exists.

Not-Chaol

They question if a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear? They answer that its not possible for a tree to fall unless somebody hears it.
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You have no proof of your existence?
 Quoting: U3


how can i know i exist?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34918232






Are you not receiving data?
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//truncated//

There is a load of understanding in this.

Somehow, Sekhmet is also associated with the chaon element. I see it in my mind's eye, but don't have the words for it yet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315


haha.. perhaps my girlfriend represents Sekhmet. just kidding
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Can hardly wait for the day when we get to hear more about this wonderful woman. After all, it is for her sake that we are all here on this forum.
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Tomorrow never comes ;)
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I can provide no proof that I nor you exist, so where should I start to disprove that you don't smell it, touch it, etc., and moreover that, even if I could, that I would be able to prove that you sensing a smell or touch means that the pine exists.

Not-Chaol

They question if a tree falls in the forest does anybody hear? They answer that its not possible for a tree to fall unless somebody hears it.
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You have no proof of your existence?
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how can i know i exist?
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Are you not receiving data?
 Quoting: U3


am i?
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You have no proof of your existence?
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how can i know i exist?
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Are you not receiving data?
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am i?
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You're answering my question.
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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
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Hmmm...

Like this?

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Oh. ha. Maybe like this:

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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
 Quoting: Chaol




YW.

I wondered why the cap....I think you've got it.

So, we have hidden the logic of our reality in the person closest to us?
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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
 Quoting: Chaol






LOL! I just now read this in another thread. I'll go get it. BRB!!!!

Got it....

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)


We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Yep. That'd be it.
 Quoting: Chaol

 Quoting: U3


A wonderful reminder.
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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
 Quoting: Chaol






LOL! I just now read this in another thread. I'll go get it. BRB!!!!

Got it....

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)


We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Yep. That'd be it.
 Quoting: Chaol

 Quoting: U3


A wonderful reminder.
 Quoting: Chaol





I read these threads in my dream time! I can't get enough.
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Oh. ha. Maybe like this:

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Good stick drawings! :o)

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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
 Quoting: Chaol




YW.

I wondered why the cap....I think you've got it.

So, we have hidden the logic of our reality in the person closest to us?
 Quoting: U3


"People" is not specified, and I suppose "conversation" could mean more than one thing.

But I guess the idea is interacting with yourself. To realize that you are your perspective.

"between the lines" could be the geometry of relationships. I get a strong feeling that this is what the Logic of our perspective is. The geometry. But not in a maths sense.

Using one of Chaol's examples, we consider ourselves to be our bodies. And of our body, we are not really aware of it. Although we can feel and sense what is going on with it, to an extent, we are not as aware of our elbow as our thoughts, for example.

Our elbow is less relative, and this is expressed as being further away from us in our perspective.

So if we feel our elbow is less "us" than our own thoughts, what about the tree over there? It is also a part of our perspective but we do not readily feel it. It is less relative but still part of our perspective.

This logic or geometry of relationships seems to be a realization of how our perspective is expressed. And because we do it without knowing it probably takes the least amount of energy. This tells us that it is easy to understand.

If Logic is "interaction without possibility" then it could actually be the 1 absolute possibility (and thus no possibility): our self

We interact with our self, either:

1) experiencing the most relative part of our perspective

or
2) experiencing only what is relative to the value

#1 is unlikely, since it means that the other parts are not experienced

for #2, this means that your hand is not aware of your heart. Only what is relative to your hand. It may have an awareness of what is near it in the same way as we are aware of our hand but do not have the awareness of our hand.

So you are the tree. And you experience what is relative to your treeness. You see the world in a tree-like fashion. There is another "you" that it the garden, and yet another "you" that is the Earth, etc. Same with your body.

I believe this is the geometry of relationships. Every "level" of the onion is aware of only the one immediately beneath and below.

The answer is in the graphic that was linked to a couple of pages back. The process of the simultaneous 1-2-3.
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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
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Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
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YW.

I wondered why the cap....I think you've got it.

So, we have hidden the logic of our reality in the person closest to us?
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"People" is not specified, and I suppose "conversation" could mean more than one thing.

But I guess the idea is interacting with yourself. To realize that you are your perspective.

"between the lines" could be the geometry of relationships. I get a strong feeling that this is what the Logic of our perspective is. The geometry. But not in a maths sense.

Using one of Chaol's examples, we consider ourselves to be our bodies. And of our body, we are not really aware of it. Although we can feel and sense what is going on with it, to an extent, we are not as aware of our elbow as our thoughts, for example.

Our elbow is less relative, and this is expressed as being further away from us in our perspective.

So if we feel our elbow is less "us" than our own thoughts, what about the tree over there? It is also a part of our perspective but we do not readily feel it. It is less relative but still part of our perspective.

This logic or geometry of relationships seems to be a realization of how our perspective is expressed. And because we do it without knowing it probably takes the least amount of energy. This tells us that it is easy to understand.

If Logic is "interaction without possibility" then it could actually be the 1 absolute possibility (and thus no possibility): our self

We interact with our self, either:

1) experiencing the most relative part of our perspective

or
2) experiencing only what is relative to the value

#1 is unlikely, since it means that the other parts are not experienced

for #2, this means that your hand is not aware of your heart. Only what is relative to your hand. It may have an awareness of what is near it in the same way as we are aware of our hand but do not have the awareness of our hand.

So you are the tree. And you experience what is relative to your treeness. You see the world in a tree-like fashion. There is another "you" that it the garden, and yet another "you" that is the Earth, etc. Same with your body.

I believe this is the geometry of relationships. Every "level" of the onion is aware of only the one immediately beneath and below.

The answer is in the graphic that was linked to a couple of pages back. The process of the simultaneous 1-2-3.
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I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
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I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
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Yes, that one. Imagine the Logic element dropping down into the Possibility element. The line goes into the circle, forming interaction. But simultaneously.

Simultaneous 1-2-3 (Ecsys Prime)
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"We are not lucid dreaming now" - if we have always been in one, would we know the difference?

"Lacking awareness to perceive in dream like fashion." - what if what we think of as a lucid dream is one kind of dream, and physicality is another kind of dream?
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Sure lets take that route! Both worlds I know as physical and dream are both coexisting.

Why is physical world so linear and dream world so free? Both are in perspective but why dreams in general seem to disappear? But physical world grows. Is it possible my dream perspective chooses to forget, are we all here to remember stars WOO! We are in first gear!885


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