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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Neo-Chaol,

The craziest part of the paradox is that existence and non-existence are impossibilities.

Not-Chaol
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I think the only paradox is that if we were truly to try to explain the above, to really dig into the matter, we would probably conclude the following:
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LOL! I just now read this in another thread. I'll go get it. BRB!!!!

Got it....

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)


We forget, so that we can have a perspective, because to know all that is or will be is to have no perspective.
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Yep. That'd be it.
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A wonderful reminder.
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I read these threads in my dream time! I can't get enough.
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Oh. ha. Maybe like this:

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Good stick drawings! :o)

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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
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YW.

I wondered why the cap....I think you've got it.

So, we have hidden the logic of our reality in the person closest to us?
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"People" is not specified, and I suppose "conversation" could mean more than one thing.

But I guess the idea is interacting with yourself. To realize that you are your perspective.

"between the lines" could be the geometry of relationships. I get a strong feeling that this is what the Logic of our perspective is. The geometry. But not in a maths sense.

Using one of Chaol's examples, we consider ourselves to be our bodies. And of our body, we are not really aware of it. Although we can feel and sense what is going on with it, to an extent, we are not as aware of our elbow as our thoughts, for example.

Our elbow is less relative, and this is expressed as being further away from us in our perspective.

So if we feel our elbow is less "us" than our own thoughts, what about the tree over there? It is also a part of our perspective but we do not readily feel it. It is less relative but still part of our perspective.

This logic or geometry of relationships seems to be a realization of how our perspective is expressed. And because we do it without knowing it probably takes the least amount of energy. This tells us that it is easy to understand.

If Logic is "interaction without possibility" then it could actually be the 1 absolute possibility (and thus no possibility): our self

We interact with our self, either:

1) experiencing the most relative part of our perspective

or
2) experiencing only what is relative to the value

#1 is unlikely, since it means that the other parts are not experienced

for #2, this means that your hand is not aware of your heart. Only what is relative to your hand. It may have an awareness of what is near it in the same way as we are aware of our hand but do not have the awareness of our hand.

So you are the tree. And you experience what is relative to your treeness. You see the world in a tree-like fashion. There is another "you" that it the garden, and yet another "you" that is the Earth, etc. Same with your body.

I believe this is the geometry of relationships. Every "level" of the onion is aware of only the one immediately beneath and below.

The answer is in the graphic that was linked to a couple of pages back. The process of the simultaneous 1-2-3.
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Reminds me of chaol's post about finding the origin of your existence.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?) (Page 10)

"Seek the origin of your existence through conversation with those nearest you to find what is unexpected and cleverly placed between the Lines."
 Quoting: U3


Thanks for the link. It is interesting that "Lines" is capitalized, like "Logic"

Logic would be linear, I suppose.

And perspective is based on Logic.

So perhaps by finding out the logic of our reality we uncover the origin of our existence.
 Quoting: Chaol




YW.

I wondered why the cap....I think you've got it.

So, we have hidden the logic of our reality in the person closest to us?
 Quoting: U3


"People" is not specified, and I suppose "conversation" could mean more than one thing.

But I guess the idea is interacting with yourself. To realize that you are your perspective.

"between the lines" could be the geometry of relationships. I get a strong feeling that this is what the Logic of our perspective is. The geometry. But not in a maths sense.

Using one of Chaol's examples, we consider ourselves to be our bodies. And of our body, we are not really aware of it. Although we can feel and sense what is going on with it, to an extent, we are not as aware of our elbow as our thoughts, for example.

Our elbow is less relative, and this is expressed as being further away from us in our perspective.

So if we feel our elbow is less "us" than our own thoughts, what about the tree over there? It is also a part of our perspective but we do not readily feel it. It is less relative but still part of our perspective.

This logic or geometry of relationships seems to be a realization of how our perspective is expressed. And because we do it without knowing it probably takes the least amount of energy. This tells us that it is easy to understand.

If Logic is "interaction without possibility" then it could actually be the 1 absolute possibility (and thus no possibility): our self

We interact with our self, either:

1) experiencing the most relative part of our perspective

or
2) experiencing only what is relative to the value

#1 is unlikely, since it means that the other parts are not experienced

for #2, this means that your hand is not aware of your heart. Only what is relative to your hand. It may have an awareness of what is near it in the same way as we are aware of our hand but do not have the awareness of our hand.

So you are the tree. And you experience what is relative to your treeness. You see the world in a tree-like fashion. There is another "you" that it the garden, and yet another "you" that is the Earth, etc. Same with your body.

I believe this is the geometry of relationships. Every "level" of the onion is aware of only the one immediately beneath and below.

The answer is in the graphic that was linked to a couple of pages back. The process of the simultaneous 1-2-3.
 Quoting: Chaol






I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
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I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
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Yes, that one. Imagine the Logic element dropping down into the Possibility element. The line goes into the circle, forming interaction. But simultaneously.

Simultaneous 1-2-3 (Ecsys Prime)
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"We are not lucid dreaming now" - if we have always been in one, would we know the difference?

"Lacking awareness to perceive in dream like fashion." - what if what we think of as a lucid dream is one kind of dream, and physicality is another kind of dream?
 Quoting: Chaol


Sure lets take that route! Both worlds I know as physical and dream are both coexisting.

Why is physical world so linear and dream world so free? Both are in perspective but why dreams in general seem to disappear? But physical world grows. Is it possible my dream perspective chooses to forget, are we all here to remember stars WOO! We are in first gear!885
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//truncated//

There is a load of understanding in this.

Somehow, Sekhmet is also associated with the chaon element. I see it in my mind's eye, but don't have the words for it yet.
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haha.. perhaps my girlfriend represents Sekhmet. just kidding
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This could very well be the case.

I think I see now, that Sekhmet unites two worlds: the lower and the upper. The world above and the world below.

The straight line representing Logic which connects the two semi-circles of the chaon element, could be a sort of channel. A conduit, where logic (structure) is flowing in both directions.

There are quite few reports of what we've experienced when stepping into and being Sekhmet. Some of those experiences are beginning to make more sense.

For reference, please see the thread, "Meeting in the New Dream Reality".
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I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
 Quoting: U3


Yes, that one. Imagine the Logic element dropping down into the Possibility element. The line goes into the circle, forming interaction. But simultaneously.

Simultaneous 1-2-3 (Ecsys Prime)
 Quoting: Chaol


I made several observations on the New Dream World Reality regarding how the force involving Sekhmet seems to make a twist, sucking up from the lower portion and then radiating from the upper. Chaol encouraged me a bit with that notion when he replied, "Why stop there? You're onto something."

Further contemplation led me to the shape and dynamics of a torus.

As you've commented, it would appear that the element for logic (a straight line), moves down into the symbol for possibility (a circle).

I like the image at the link, because it indicates a shiny point where the twist changes. To me, this indicates an elementon, which is a single point. That is, a symbol.

[link to i.imgur.com]

Also, I now find it interesting that, in this world, Sekhmet is always made of stone. She is stiff and straight. But, when activated by merging with her, she comes alive and makes that dual vortex: two pyramid tips meeting each other - one from above, the other from below; or two semi-circles intersecting.
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One correction I would make in that picture ( [link to i.imgur.com] would be to reverse the colors. I see Sekhmet sucking up red from below. She wears a red dress.
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"Stating a goal does not really have value other than defining it for yourself, which allows you to perceive it more.

e.g. Let's say you want to become stronger. You create symbol of weight machine. Neither you or weight machine exist, but the relationship between the two things does. It is this relationship that is being interacted with, it has its own consciousness. As you interact more with your self (perceiving more of a particular consciousness?), when interacted with by a certain brand of logic (lift and lower weights) it has the effect of squaring its own value (in this case, the result is larger muscle in your more relative reality [your body]).

This is the same as we do with all things, but if we interact with the weight machine a different way, (use it as a bed) then we have a new logic and thus will experience a different reality (stronger dreams perhaps? ;) ).

There is a path to anything, when you define your goal, there already exists a path to get there, you are simply telling your brain to show you more of what it sees. Which allows you to perceive the possibilities that were always present that you could not perceive because they were not yet relevant. And thus your larger muscles, are represented over and over as you interact with your symbol ( perhaps first by the weight machine, then by protein powder, then by a huge plate of chicken breasts, until finally it is represented by your intent [larger stronger muscles])

"The point is to make one symbol relative to an other symbol"

The genius is the bridge, you are just mapping concepts and anything you imagine can be mapped. The genius allows you to make an unrelated perspective relative by creating a bridge for it when none may have existed previously.

While the linear approach will work, Chaol mentions mapping a relationship for something you want as opposed to the thing itself (I.E. bentley replacement receipt vs. bentley) The map does not have to be singular, the more you map the merrier. If your key fob is broken, don't map a new keyfob, map to 1 symbol:

The feeling of pressing down the button you need,
The sound of the garage opening,
your excitement that a genius just worked,
your dedication to making another genius because this worked so well,
the sight of inside your garage as the garage door veil lifts,
the feeling of the breeze as you walk to the front of your garage,
etc.

The more relationships mapped, the more you are interacting with the relationships around the perspective that you desire.
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Oh! The upper and the lower worlds meet/intersect at only one point: the elementon. They meet at "representation/symbol".

"It all begins with symbol" - Chaol

"Anything could be anything" - Chaol
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thoughts on love:

Perhaps the initial logic that started the universe is love. From my perspective love is the most relative part of my existence.

Everything seems empty and pointless without love.

Love makes me feel like I could make do and be happy with nothing besides it.

Love makes me place myself second and more adequately take someone else's perspective.



With nothing, I have nothing to lose, Love also makes me afraid. I feel like as men, we are afraid to let ourselves feel afraid. To feel vulnerable, unguarded, and subject ourselves to the truth that at some point that which we love with whither and die. Could it be that we are afraid of love? Afraid of commitment?

True love though I feel is effortless, there is so much trust in absolute love that the fear is only illusory.

If everything started with love, if it is the truest singularity of our existence, maybe the geometry behind everything is love, if it is present now it must always be present!


Though perhaps this is wishful thinking in a sea of infinite illusion, but I guess what it comes down to is, what with your free will, what would you rather choose? Perhaps a little bit of illusion in truth is just what we need.
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"When you see what you want in anything, then you have found something truly amazing"
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I'm still thinking about this post but if you are talking about this image: [link to i.imgur.com]

and chaon: it's simultaneous 1, 2, 5, isn't it?
 Quoting: U3


Yes, that one. Imagine the Logic element dropping down into the Possibility element. The line goes into the circle, forming interaction. But simultaneously.

Simultaneous 1-2-3 (Ecsys Prime)
 Quoting: Chaol




Somewhere in my mind, 5 is in the center of chaon. I'm not sure if I got this.....in meditation, dream or what....it's blurry.

I thought I got it from Chaol's video but I checked and that's not where I got it. I suppose, since 1-2-3 is simultaneous, so is 5.
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"When you see what you want in anything, then you have found something truly amazing"
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hf
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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Oh! The upper and the lower worlds meet/intersect at only one point: the elementon. They meet at "representation/symbol".

"It all begins with symbol" - Chaol

"Anything could be anything" - Chaol
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Aha! Thank you. hf
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Pretty sure all that you are trying to figure out has already been done and mapped and explained in detail in philosophical books on Cosmogenesis and Creationism, and the varying degrees of density in between the seen and unseen realities; and the ways of 'reaching' to other dimensions of realities. The writings of the oldest philosophers were the most intimate; and the Vedas (if you can translate; a lot is not) especially.peace
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"Stating a goal does not really have value other than defining it for yourself, which allows you to perceive it more.

e.g. Let's say you want to become stronger. You create symbol of weight machine. Neither you or weight machine exist, but the relationship between the two things does. It is this relationship that is being interacted with, it has its own consciousness. As you interact more with your self (perceiving more of a particular consciousness?), when interacted with by a certain brand of logic (lift and lower weights) it has the effect of squaring its own value (in this case, the result is larger muscle in your more relative reality [your body]).

This is the same as we do with all things, but if we interact with the weight machine a different way, (use it as a bed) then we have a new logic and thus will experience a different reality (stronger dreams perhaps? ;) ).

There is a path to anything, when you define your goal, there already exists a path to get there, you are simply telling your brain to show you more of what it sees. Which allows you to perceive the possibilities that were always present that you could not perceive because they were not yet relevant. And thus your larger muscles, are represented over and over as you interact with your symbol ( perhaps first by the weight machine, then by protein powder, then by a huge plate of chicken breasts, until finally it is represented by your intent [larger stronger muscles])

"The point is to make one symbol relative to an other symbol"

The genius is the bridge, you are just mapping concepts and anything you imagine can be mapped. The genius allows you to make an unrelated perspective relative by creating a bridge for it when none may have existed previously.

While the linear approach will work, Chaol mentions mapping a relationship for something you want as opposed to the thing itself (I.E. bentley replacement receipt vs. bentley) The map does not have to be singular, the more you map the merrier. If your key fob is broken, don't map a new keyfob, map to 1 symbol:

The feeling of pressing down the button you need,
The sound of the garage opening,
your excitement that a genius just worked,
your dedication to making another genius because this worked so well,
the sight of inside your garage as the garage door veil lifts,
the feeling of the breeze as you walk to the front of your garage,
etc.

The more relationships mapped, the more you are interacting with the relationships around the perspective that you desire.
 Quoting: popopo



Awesome! :o)

What space do you use for your dedication to making another genius? or the feeling of the breeze?

I have trouble coming up with spaces and new symbols.

My symbols hover around paper, lint, sticks, grass, leaves...basically trash.....and also, something that can fit into my hand.
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"When you see what you want in anything, then you have found something truly amazing"
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Yes, he told me something similar when I found the Olaf threads. He is all about love. We saw it demonstrated over and over...patience, poems, teaching, guiding.
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thoughts on love:

Perhaps the initial logic that started the universe is love. From my perspective love is the most relative part of my existence.

Everything seems empty and pointless without love.

Love makes me feel like I could make do and be happy with nothing besides it.

Love makes me place myself second and more adequately take someone else's perspective.



With nothing, I have nothing to lose, Love also makes me afraid. I feel like as men, we are afraid to let ourselves feel afraid. To feel vulnerable, unguarded, and subject ourselves to the truth that at some point that which we love with whither and die. Could it be that we are afraid of love? Afraid of commitment?

True love though I feel is effortless, there is so much trust in absolute love that the fear is only illusory.

If everything started with love, if it is the truest singularity of our existence, maybe the geometry behind everything is love, if it is present now it must always be present!


Though perhaps this is wishful thinking in a sea of infinite illusion, but I guess what it comes down to is, what with your free will, what would you rather choose? Perhaps a little bit of illusion in truth is just what we need.
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I like this, and have similar thoughts. When you realize you are nothing, that you don't exist, it's the most vulnerable feeling, isn't it? No wonder you would create an imaginary world and fill it with imaginary friends and imaginary events and drama. And yes an imaginary self too. Now you exist and you aren't all alone!

But something strange happens when you look into the eyes of one you love. Really look.

You melt away. You disappear again. You stop existing - only they exist, in your eyes. All you see is the other, the beloved.

In that moment, there is no me, there is only You. And You contain an infinity.

Except that You are looking back at me ... and in your gaze, then I exist too.
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Pretty sure all that you are trying to figure out has already been done and mapped and explained in detail in philosophical books on Cosmogenesis and Creationism, and the varying degrees of density in between the seen and unseen realities; and the ways of 'reaching' to other dimensions of realities. The writings of the oldest philosophers were the most intimate; and the Vedas (if you can translate; a lot is not) especially.peace
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I'm pretty sure this is a little different. What we are learning is the actual language of perpeption! I do not see the correlation with the Vedas at all. I only studied them 1 1/2 years so maybe I missed something.
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My bad!
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I've noticed that often I'll feel an emotion, and my mind then scrambles to label it and find a cause and an explanation. I've been realizing that the two are not always meant to be stitched together into a story.

I don't know where the emotions come from. Maybe they come from the colonies of bacteria -- the 90% of me?

It seems to me that emotions are a very effective way to drive the cart. Even the most logical person, if hit with just the right emotional hot button, will turn his cart. Then logic will step in to rationalize the action after the fact.
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The telling question is "Would we accept it if our emotions had a non-human origin?"

That is not to say our emotions come from somewhere else. But if our emotions are because of relationships then it should be because all relative relationships.

Including the 90% that isn't human, yet still makes up who we are physically and mentally.

That is also not to say that our emotions are not our own. It's just that we have a very limited idea of what we are (i.e., I am only human)

Something to think about.
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Yes, I have thought about this and I'm open to it.

It seems to me we don't have free will, or if we do, it's actually pretty limited, or an illusion. We are a product of our genetics, our environment, our biology, our beliefs and conditioning, etc. You can strip away the beliefs & conditioning all you want. You can be aware of the biological drives and choose differently all you want. And that can work okay for awhile, but then along comes a major event that darnit! seems designed to hit your emotional hot button even harder, so you react in your patterned way.

I guess I'm just tired of fighting it, so I have surrendered. That's why I say I want to be surprised. I know I am not in control. I still can't resist the urge to figure it all out, but I don't feel so desperate about it, because I realize there's just no way this tiny little mind is capable of understanding it.

I'm just going with the flow... not resisting... and practicing an unfocused gaze.

The strangest things are happening. Another anecdote: after the car situation the other day. We had dinner out for Mother's Day. My daughter was talking up a storm over dinner. I sat and just listened, staring intently into her eyes. And the things coming out of her mouth!! She was talking about consciousness, and deconstructionism. It was like she had been taking over by Chaol and he was speaking through her, to me.
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Pretty sure all that you are trying to figure out has already been done and mapped and explained in detail in philosophical books on Cosmogenesis and Creationism, and the varying degrees of density in between the seen and unseen realities; and the ways of 'reaching' to other dimensions of realities. The writings of the oldest philosophers were the most intimate; and the Vedas (if you can translate; a lot is not) especially.peace
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I don't know anything about the Vedas, but surely, yes, many philosophers have explained this. The problem is that it's not really something that can be explained in words. Actually the more mental masturbation, the farther away you can get from it.

All that can be done is to talk around it, and around it, and around it, from various different vantage points (perspectives!).

All the talk is just a pointer. It all points to the same thing. One pointer may work best for you, another for me. Those of us on this thread obviously resonate with Chaol's particular way of pointing, or we wouldn't be here.

I'd done a lot of my own exploration prior to finding these threads. Chaol's thread kind of helped drop certain things into place.

The final puzzle piece wasn't in anything I read, or thought. The final puzzle piece is beyond thought.
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If, and I'm saying: IF I understand the 'thought' involved, I think you're trying to figure how we perceive the world around us. That led me to something I read about perceiving and the Tanmatras. I think this is what you were discussing: [link to www.indiadivine.org] thanks, just trying to learn as well abduct
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A little more... [link to seeker33.typepad.com]
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While you are sitting in your chair, reading this post, you are using calculus, only you don't know it. (Neither do I.) What we are learning here is HOW we perceive.

Maybe you will join us?
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If, and I'm saying: IF I understand the 'thought' involved, I think you're trying to figure how we perceive the world around us. That led me to something I read about perceiving and the Tanmatras. I think this is what you were discussing: [link to www.indiadivine.org] thanks, just trying to learn as well abduct
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To me, the Vedas teach to go beyond perception. Interestingly, some of the yogis teach about God/Godesses (which puts your power into someone else's hands) and some yogis don't, thinking of Nisargadatta, in this instance. Anyway, you can't go beyond perception. Everything is your percpetion.


Ecsys (what we are learning here), is the actual language we ALREADY use to perceive. We already use Ecsys but we don't know it nor how to use it.

Once we learn how we perceive, we are in our natural state, irregardless if there is an outer God or not. We often say, there is only perception. We exist when we observe, so of course, we are very interested in observing. Knowing how we observe (or perceive) lets us then arrange the perceptions we are interested in rather than always being at the mercy of some unknowns.

From one of the archived, Ecsys websites:
[link to web.archive.org]

"At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do.

While in this state, some of our ancestors created a new way to perceive things. This new model, physicality, slowed down the process of perception so that there appeared to be a great distance between our thoughts and our perceptions. Although useful in some ways it made it appear that we were divorced from our perceptions. It took hold anyway, and a new universe was born.

Unfortunately for us, the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging. Lives will change dramatically, strange phenomena and events will become commonplace, dreams will be more real than ever before, psychic ability will increase and spread to the general population, and many people will be quite confused. The day will come when you must decide which world you want to be a part of. The dying, physical world or the real world?

You can return to your more natural state of being using Ecsys to remove the physical constraints you have set up for yourself. Ecsys is the secret of how we perceive reality... and how to change it. It is very powerful, always free, and can be used today to begin to change your reality. By using Ecsys you are determining your own fate."

This video (1 1/2 min. long) is helpful too..



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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Perhaps love is nothing but "leaving space"

With enough space we can love and accept anything. A little boy robbing the store from one perspective is a hoodrat, from a larger space perhaps his parents died leaving him a younger brother who is hungry and crying, and he steals some food in order to try and be responsible for his brothers well being, despite him being a mere child himself. With enough space love always has room. Perhaps the more we unfocus the more love we leave room for.

There is no room for judgement with enough space, for we are reserving room for love and acceptance. Despite a child's many troubles during the so called "terrible 2s" a good mother mother always finds something to focus on in order to continue on, she is always leaving space, to maintain her love through difficult times. She does not blame the child, for their is so much left over space, that we leave space for innocence as well.

Consciousness must follow perception. Which means there had to be something to perceive all along. What was before the big bang, infinite space? ;)
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Thanks for the synopsis; I will pay attention and try and keep up. I like it. Anything to alter the type of mental intercourse being offered and accepted is cool in my book of cool stuff! A new way to resist the mental miasma that we seem to be surrounded by. Positive peaceful resistance; or 'higher learning' if you like. Thanks. charlie

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