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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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They are the same world. Two different kinds of physicality.

But I think to our dream perspective, the dream world is linear. It only appears to be non-linear from our physical perspective.
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Hey Chaol it seems like your perspective has time traveled to the younger Chaol before his ride to "high awareness". I have just a few questions for you. Your answers in your current perspective (2013 neochaol) will help perspective understand.

So why have perspective in the dream physicality?

Why perspective perceives physicality physical as"real". And dream physicality as just dreams "not real". Irrelevant? I would like to here a story.

Chaol can you describe your current awareness of dream physicality? Compare to physical physicality awareness? Differences similarities. How does your perspective define awareness?

Do the same rules apply in dream physicality can occur in physical? Or is it all perspective and discovering perspective from the ways of Chaol will blow your minds no need guessing words to explain.

How does one perspective become more aware of dream physicality? And once there is a relationship with high awareness of both nonseparte worlds what happens next?

How far will you go?
 Quoting: I.Have.A.Quest I on 39003367


From the waking perspective, dream reality does not seem real. But from the dreaming perspective, the waking perspective does not.

This is a bit tricky because we are thinking of the question (and remembering our dreamtime) from our waking perspective.

My experience of when I am dreaming is about the same as when I am awake. However, I would say that I seem to be aware of my experience much more than when I am sleeping. Also, influencing my waking experience.

Do the same rules apply? I would say that I am aware of what the rules are in either, but in waking reality I agree to the rules much more. (Viewed from a dream that I remember, though I don't know if I've felt this way often.)

"How does one perspective become more aware of dream physicality?" - from what I can tell in my recent experiences, though language. Being able to represent something with something that is more relevant causes me to be more aware. It's almost like having the language unlocks the experience (what is already there).

"And once there is a relationship with high awareness of both nonseparte worlds what happens next? " - then it becomes the same world, more or less

"How far will you go?" - I've had some feelings about this that I will reserve for expression at another time. There really is no limit.
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I'm completely mind-blown after reading this. Talk about a new perspective...

[link to www.conscioushugs.com]

Btw, definitely been getting a strong nexus vibe for the past 24hrs. Not sure what to do with the extra energy though. It's just translating as nervous tension. Any thoughts?
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Well, this ties together things I had been reading about. I ran across the expanding earth theory but can't find it now. But, here's a YT video on it that is close to what I read:



And in one of the threads here in GLP, they were talking about chemtrails are used to block the sun's rays. I didn't save the link on it either, because I'm on the positive timeline instead of the apocalyptic, so I don't worry about these things.

Btw, Obama's been to Mars.
[link to exopolitics.blogs.com]
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I just remembered a dream I had (recently?) where I was somewhere in the solar system looking at the planets.

The solar system was breathing from each of the planets expanding from dust. There was a stream of energy coming from the sun, like the sun was breathing into each planet.

The Earth was, too, and as I focused on it I could see the atmosphere expanding as the Earth became larger and larger. There were multiple civilizations during this time, and the expansion and solar energy caused geophysical tensions like volcanoes, earthquakes, etc.

So after a while of nothing on the Earth a couple of the other planets became suns themselves. (Somehow the position of the planet shifted to where it was dark.) After this I didn't see what happened to Earth.
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This reminded me of Velikovsky's theory that mythology has a cosmological background. He theorized that, because Zeus/Jupiter was the master of the gods in Greece and Rome, at one time in earth history Jupiter must have been more important, viewed from Earth.
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When we forget how to 'read' something, what we see does not seem to make sense. What is mythology may be highly advanced teachings. We've just lost the key, perhaps.
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This 'symbol alphabet' you guys are beginning sounds a lot like what I read on and understand as the ancient senzar to be. I'm intrigued at the prospect of a new way to interface with one another. Hieroglyphics come to mind as they relate a concept in picture form, allowing the reader to form their own unique way of seeing that thought-sequence playing out in this reality, as opposed to the way we communicate or convey our ideas now leaves no room for the reader to add his own flavor. The construct is established by the original writer (OW), so the 'reader' has no reason or opportunity to 'think'. The thought was 'completed' by the OW. I see what you are proposing as similar to hieroglyphics, but cleaner and simpler, more attuned to the need for free thinking now and the nature-technologies of tomorrow. I like it! (will be reading) Just trying to understand...cool2
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I think it is precisely that this system allow for interpretation that makes its use to change our perspective so powerful.

The language itself is perspective-based.

But of course it's difficult to understand because we're used to symbols being more objective.

I really enjoyed your way of explaining it. Particularly that, "The construct is established by the original writer (OW), so the 'reader' has no reason or opportunity to 'think'"

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I suppose when I was a baby I saw everything with new eyes. But I don't remember that whole period, and what it was like.
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I can almost remember the day I was brought home from hospital. Some of my most vivid memories I have are of when I was a baby. The strange thing about that is that my thoughts seemed fully-formed. I could even follow and correct the English of a book that was being read to me.

One thing that sticks out is that I was much more aware of what other people were thinking. It was almost like I could read their thoughts.
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I hear people say this about their own childhoods, and it is just so. Not. My experience! Child psychologists say kids don't remember much until around age 4; that is true of my own kids. They have memories starting around age 4 but nothing earlier.

Me? I have very few and sketchy memories before age 8. The memories I do have before age 8, are so fleeting OR they've been co-opted as others (siblings, parents) tell me what they remember.

Age 8, however, I have very clear, vivid, detailed memories, including one particular memory in which I fell asleep... and I never actually woke up. I have long not been able to shake that feeling, that it's been all a dream since age 8, and one day I'll wake up and still be 8 years old. It's become a long-standing family joke because apparently I went around insisting I was dreaming for quite a long, long while.
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I just remembered a dream I had (recently?) where I was somewhere in the solar system looking at the planets.

The solar system was breathing from each of the planets expanding from dust. There was a stream of energy coming from the sun, like the sun was breathing into each planet.

The Earth was, too, and as I focused on it I could see the atmosphere expanding as the Earth became larger and larger. There were multiple civilizations during this time, and the expansion and solar energy caused geophysical tensions like volcanoes, earthquakes, etc.

So after a while of nothing on the Earth a couple of the other planets became suns themselves. (Somehow the position of the planet shifted to where it was dark.) After this I didn't see what happened to Earth.
 Quoting: Chaol


Sounds like The Electric Universe. YouTube that, and Thunderbolts Project, and Symbols of an Alien Sky.

The last one.. Sekhmet?

*disclaimer: I watched these awhile ago and my memory is like swiss cheese.
 Quoting: VersionTwo


One thing I was thinking but forgot to type was that the Sun was, too, a planet with a type of life.

Maybe that has something to do with it. Though I suppose it would have had to have been a very long time ago.
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Yeah, there was some other video I watched, around same time, which was talking about how when Jesus left he became the sun. Or something like that. I.e., all enlightened beings completing their coursework here, become stars. Literal stars, not celebrities, but... heh heh.. that's a symbol too...
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Can perspective achieve to remember waking experiences in dream reality?

Can perspective in dream reality take a seat and think about his dreams which are waking experience? Its already happening. My perspective has already been doing that just with low awareness. So language will help with dream awareness aka mental tools.

'"A perspective in the dream world would say "My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream."

How does one wake up in the dream world with awareness. Im talking about instant full lucid dreams always. Once we solve that puzzle. Soon physical reality becomes virtual reality or dream world. Is that a bridge we must cross, all who make it will tell ya not to wear flip-flops! Then the two worlds that seemed so different just becomes one happy perspective!

Dream world uses mental tools to manipulate their reality.

We just need a dreamer from dream reality to have a "lucid dream" and post on GLP to share perspectives mental tools of dream reality. Once we think as an awoken person from the dream world then you become one happy perspective!

My question then is if both worlds are merged with full awareness, can I still fly :)

p.s

teach me how to be aware that we are living in both worlds simultaneously.
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I suppose when I was a baby I saw everything with new eyes. But I don't remember that whole period, and what it was like.
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I can almost remember the day I was brought home from hospital. Some of my most vivid memories I have are of when I was a baby. The strange thing about that is that my thoughts seemed fully-formed. I could even follow and correct the English of a book that was being read to me.

One thing that sticks out is that I was much more aware of what other people were thinking. It was almost like I could read their thoughts.
 Quoting: VersionTwo


I hear people say this about their own childhoods, and it is just so. Not. My experience! Child psychologists say kids don't remember much until around age 4; that is true of my own kids. They have memories starting around age 4 but nothing earlier.

Me? I have very few and sketchy memories before age 8. The memories I do have before age 8, are so fleeting OR they've been co-opted as others (siblings, parents) tell me what they remember.

Age 8, however, I have very clear, vivid, detailed memories, including one particular memory in which I fell asleep... and I never actually woke up. I have long not been able to shake that feeling, that it's been all a dream since age 8, and one day I'll wake up and still be 8 years old. It's become a long-standing family joke because apparently I went around insisting I was dreaming for quite a long, long while.
 Quoting: Chaol


Supposedly the human brain is wired different from around 2 years of age, which has something to do with memory.

Here's something from HowStuffWorks:

"However, psychologists have discovered that children as young as 3 months old and 6 months old can form long-term memories. The difference comes in which memories stick around. For instance, it appears that babies are born with more intact implicit, or unconscious, memories. At the same time the explicit, or episodic, memory that records specific events does not carry information over that three-year gap, explaining why people do not remember their births."

[link to science.howstuffworks.com]

I suppose not everyone is the same, though.
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I just remembered a dream I had (recently?) where I was somewhere in the solar system looking at the planets.

The solar system was breathing from each of the planets expanding from dust. There was a stream of energy coming from the sun, like the sun was breathing into each planet.

The Earth was, too, and as I focused on it I could see the atmosphere expanding as the Earth became larger and larger. There were multiple civilizations during this time, and the expansion and solar energy caused geophysical tensions like volcanoes, earthquakes, etc.

So after a while of nothing on the Earth a couple of the other planets became suns themselves. (Somehow the position of the planet shifted to where it was dark.) After this I didn't see what happened to Earth.
 Quoting: Chaol


Sounds like The Electric Universe. YouTube that, and Thunderbolts Project, and Symbols of an Alien Sky.

The last one.. Sekhmet?

*disclaimer: I watched these awhile ago and my memory is like swiss cheese.
 Quoting: VersionTwo


One thing I was thinking but forgot to type was that the Sun was, too, a planet with a type of life.

Maybe that has something to do with it. Though I suppose it would have had to have been a very long time ago.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yeah, there was some other video I watched, around same time, which was talking about how when Jesus left he became the sun. Or something like that. I.e., all enlightened beings completing their coursework here, become stars. Literal stars, not celebrities, but... heh heh.. that's a symbol too...
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Yeah, I could never get into that whole thing.

But who doesn't love the sun! (Or at least the idea of it)
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Can perspective achieve to remember waking experiences in dream reality?
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That's assuming that perspective is tied to memory. I don't think it is and don't see how it could be.

But I guess you're asking whether or not you can remember your waking self while dreaming. I don't know about others, but I am usually quite aware of my waking life when I am sleeping. I consider my waking self 'my other self' and consciously (while dreaming) seek to keep certain information hidden.

A bit strange, but I do remember some of what I am thinking when sleeping.

Can perspective in dream reality take a seat and think about his dreams which are waking experience? Its already happening. My perspective has already been doing that just with low awareness. So language will help with dream awareness aka mental tools.
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Sure, I don't see why not.

The only question is how much would our waking self remember?

In this way, language would help the memory.

'"A perspective in the dream world would say "My world is the dream world. To myself it is just called reality. But from your perspective it is as a dream."

How does one wake up in the dream world with awareness. Im talking about instant full lucid dreams always. Once we solve that puzzle. Soon physical reality becomes virtual reality or dream world. Is that a bridge we must cross, all who make it will tell ya not to wear flip-flops! Then the two worlds that seemed so different just becomes one happy perspective!
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I don't know how others feel, but I think there is no need to wake up because one is more aware (not less).

How does one always have lucid dreams? I'm not sure that there is such a need. A desire, perhaps. When there is a need then it could happen more easily, I think.

Dream world uses mental tools to manipulate their reality.

We just need a dreamer from dream reality to have a "lucid dream" and post on GLP to share perspectives mental tools of dream reality. Once we think as an awoken person from the dream world then you become one happy perspective!

My question then is if both worlds are merged with full awareness, can I still fly :)

p.s

teach me how to be aware that we are living in both worlds simultaneously.
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I think we just say "mental" for convenience. But from what I have experienced so far the dream world and waking world is pretty much the same. The difference is in the degree of awareness, and the 'speed' at which our thoughts are represented.

We are making assumptions from the waking perspective, assuming we know how such a scenario would play out.

But it seems to happen time and time again.

Flying would be irrelevant in such a perspective. Only for entertainment, perhaps.
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teach me how to be aware that we are living in both worlds simultaneously.
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Why would you want to be aware of this?
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Chaol,

any more thoughts on the genius or the language itself?
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I don't know why I'd want this, but today I discovered one can even get broker. High time for a genius I'd think.
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Had an intense day today. So resistance is not productive, or is it? I don't think it is. I know it isn't. Why then do I still have situations that I resist come up in my perception? And how can I "look the other way" right in the thick of it? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


Tuuuuur, get that genius up and running soon ;)
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Chaol,

any more thoughts on the genius or the language itself?
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Possibly. But can you tell me what you think the Genius is, and the Ec is?
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Had an intense day today. So resistance is not productive, or is it? I don't think it is. I know it isn't. Why then do I still have situations that I resist come up in my perception? And how can I "look the other way" right in the thick of it? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


Tuuuuur, get that genius up and running soon ;)
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"Looking the other way" implies that you know something is there, but choose to avoid looking in its direction.

However, I think the message is to "be okay" with your complete perspective, whatever it may be.

This doesn't mean putting up with things that you don't like, or turning the other cheek. I don't see anything passive about Chaol's process.

It's more of a journey to understand what is in your perspective. Because your perspective is you.

So really you could say that part of the message is to accept who you are.

You ask, "Why then do I still have situations that I resist come up in my perception?". But by resisting something you are actually drawing it near.

When we resist something we are transferring energy from another part of our perspective to it, so to speak.

If I push a glass of water away because I do not want it in my life (to symbolize resistance) I am actually exchanging energy with the glass of water, and interacting with it more.

By interacting, I am having a relationship with it.

My hand interacting with the glass (so to speak) creates new relationships. The products of my resistance.

My "future" perspective will likely have these new values (other things I may not want).

If you do not want something in your life, make it and the things it has relationships with irrelevant.
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Events vs. Processes

As humans, we often look for events when our perspective is "translated" into symbols that we can understand.

Events are easy to understand.

However, the universe works in terms of processes rather than events.

A star, for example, does not just explode. The process occurs over millions, perhaps billions of years. We could try to understand this by observing the event and concluding it is a mystery, but at the same time missing the process that could allow a much more deeper understanding.

If you drop a book onto the floor, the human way to look at it is to see it as an event. But there is a much deeper process behind it that encompasses every part of what we call our mind and body but also our own subconscious calculations of physics and calculus, and the total environment (the sound bouncing off of the walls, for example, or the air pressure in the room).

So when considering this great shift that many of us have been considering as this era being the time for, it may be more wise to consider the "shift" to [whatever] as a process rather than event.

Processes take time. On the Ecsys website Chaol mentioned that the transition to the dream world would be from 2001-2013, with 2013 being the years that everyone thought 2012 would be.

(I take this as meaning, "Yes. There is a change coming. But not when and how you expect it to occur.")

Obviously, this "shift" is a process rather than a single event or series of events.

Importantly, we mustn't miss the most important aspect of processes: relationships.

For example, with the recent four X flares from the sun we could look at each separately, or exclaim that having 4 close together is rather rare. This still considers the shifts that are happening now to be events rather than processes.

Chaol encourages us to consider relationships more deeply. The relationships between what you consider to be "you" and the other things in your perspective, for example. If we take the above solar example we would not care so much about the X flare and its effect on our own development but the relationship between each X flare and the others as being the process through which changes can occur.

I'm not saying that the X flares are the superwave that Chaol was talking about, but it's just an example.

Chaol often said to look to the sun and that the sun was representative of our physicality. I've also noticed that "nexus points" coincide with Earth-directed solar activity. (How this was predicted I still have no idea. But I suppose everyone happens at once.) The sun, to me, is all of the elements (logic, possibility, etc.) but particularly it is an exercise of Possibility from our Earth perspective.

If the sun is representative of our physicality then it is also representative of changes in our physicality. These changes are processes, and these processes happen via relationships.

And relationships are interpreted by our perspective. So the changes could be different for each of us, and each part of our perspective.

The point of all this is that we would do well to not forget how important the process is in this great "shift".

By focusing on the events we could miss what is happening, and misunderstand what is happening.

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Had an intense day today. So resistance is not productive, or is it? I don't think it is. I know it isn't. Why then do I still have situations that I resist come up in my perception? And how can I "look the other way" right in the thick of it? Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated.


Tuuuuur, get that genius up and running soon ;)
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"Looking the other way" implies that you know something is there, but choose to avoid looking in its direction.

However, I think the message is to "be okay" with your complete perspective, whatever it may be.

This doesn't mean putting up with things that you don't like, or turning the other cheek. I don't see anything passive about Chaol's process.

It's more of a journey to understand what is in your perspective. Because your perspective is you.

So really you could say that part of the message is to accept who you are.

You ask, "Why then do I still have situations that I resist come up in my perception?". But by resisting something you are actually drawing it near.

When we resist something we are transferring energy from another part of our perspective to it, so to speak.

If I push a glass of water away because I do not want it in my life (to symbolize resistance) I am actually exchanging energy with the glass of water, and interacting with it more.

By interacting, I am having a relationship with it.

My hand interacting with the glass (so to speak) creates new relationships. The products of my resistance.

My "future" perspective will likely have these new values (other things I may not want).

If you do not want something in your life, make it and the things it has relationships with irrelevant.
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Exactly what I need to hear. I will do my best to remember this. Thanks a lot for all your patience with the same old questions.
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"If the sun is representative of our physicality. And if gold is an Earthly, physical representation of the Sun.. what might it all mean?"
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Events vs. Processes

As humans, we often look for events when our perspective is "translated" into symbols that we can understand.

Events are easy to understand.

However, the universe works in terms of processes rather than events.

A star, for example, does not just explode. The process occurs over millions, perhaps billions of years. We could try to understand this by observing the event and concluding it is a mystery, but at the same time missing the process that could allow a much more deeper understanding.

If you drop a book onto the floor, the human way to look at it is to see it as an event. But there is a much deeper process behind it that encompasses every part of what we call our mind and body but also our own subconscious calculations of physics and calculus, and the total environment (the sound bouncing off of the walls, for example, or the air pressure in the room).

So when considering this great shift that many of us have been considering as this era being the time for, it may be more wise to consider the "shift" to [whatever] as a process rather than event.

Processes take time. On the Ecsys website Chaol mentioned that the transition to the dream world would be from 2001-2013, with 2013 being the years that everyone thought 2012 would be.

(I take this as meaning, "Yes. There is a change coming. But not when and how you expect it to occur.")

Obviously, this "shift" is a process rather than a single event or series of events.

Importantly, we mustn't miss the most important aspect of processes: relationships.

For example, with the recent four X flares from the sun we could look at each separately, or exclaim that having 4 close together is rather rare. This still considers the shifts that are happening now to be events rather than processes.

Chaol encourages us to consider relationships more deeply. The relationships between what you consider to be "you" and the other things in your perspective, for example. If we take the above solar example we would not care so much about the X flare and its effect on our own development but the relationship between each X flare and the others as being the process through which changes can occur.

I'm not saying that the X flares are the superwave that Chaol was talking about, but it's just an example.

Chaol often said to look to the sun and that the sun was representative of our physicality. I've also noticed that "nexus points" coincide with Earth-directed solar activity. (How this was predicted I still have no idea. But I suppose everyone happens at once.) The sun, to me, is all of the elements (logic, possibility, etc.) but particularly it is an exercise of Possibility from our Earth perspective.

If the sun is representative of our physicality then it is also representative of changes in our physicality. These changes are processes, and these processes happen via relationships.

And relationships are interpreted by our perspective. So the changes could be different for each of us, and each part of our perspective.

The point of all this is that we would do well to not forget how important the process is in this great "shift".

By focusing on the events we could miss what is happening, and misunderstand what is happening.
 Quoting: Chaol


Omg! I think I get it! I'm just going to read this again and make I actually understand lol
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Maybe by using the genius and Ec strings as Chaol encourages we do, we are taking part in the process of how events come to be by rearranging matter/energy (genius/strings). That's why he says it doesn't matter what you're doing, just that you're doing something different...or something like that.

I really think I get this on some level. Thanks neo-Chaol hf
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By focusing on the events we could miss what is happening, and misunderstand what is happening.
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Totally get it but this part brings up a question on my mind: does it matter if we miss or misunderstand? I.e., does it still happen regardless?

I hope you understand my question.
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Chaol the original made our puppet nature clear to me.

Emotions may come before logic.

Perhaps you are predestined to get angry at 4 PM, at 3:30 you miss your cab, and 3:45 it rains, at 3:59 you stub your toe super hard.

Feed back from the emotion of anger at 4 PM cause certain events to become more relative that allow you to express anger.

If there is no time, and everything has already happened, I wonder how much control we really have.
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Chaol,

any more thoughts on the genius or the language itself?
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Possibly. But can you tell me what you think the Genius is, and the Ec is?
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I think the genius is what we already do, manifest our intent, except in a way that has a bit more logic and thus making the manifestation more relative and fast.

It helps us focus in on interactions that by normal standards would be irrelevant (because there had not yet been enough interaction to make it relevant)but due to our interactions have become portals of possibility that are easily recognizable and direct us to the outcome of what we desire.

I think EC is a language that currently is too simple for me to comprehend. it allows us to determine our subjective view of representations so we can know what we are interacting with. For example a red wood might be a symbol for high possibility just like a new car, but without defining it we wouldn't know that it is something in our perspective that has the same relationship as other things we want and thus should be interacted with more.

The problem with the langauge is that lots of things seem to be very similar. Lots of things are symbols for interaction, and interactions with possibility, and so on. So maybe the language is just to make us think about how relative something is in terms of each of the elements.

The language has the obvious benefit of making brand new symbols. Making a new word for "excitement when studying" and then using it, would make studying more fun due to the increased interaction.

I still feel like I'm missing something though, which in Chaol's world usually means I'm overthinking and it is simpler than I think.
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Truth is only relative in the presence of doubt. Not as some kind of primal "duality", but as a structure dependent on one another. An experience is only relative in the presence of an observer would be another accurate example. Death is only relative in the presence of life. They're not opposing sides of a duality, they're one in the same. One cannot be perceived without the other.

The greatest truths and understandings will grow from an environment infected with lies and ignorance.

We say we do not want to experience "bad" but it's only in the "bad" that the good is ALLOWED to be perceived.

This is not because of a duality, these are structures (logic) dependent on one another... like how our ability to see is dependent on the "quality" of our eyes/visual mechanism.

Ok, just woke up and that's what I was dreaming about.
hf
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Knowing you, you're probably already reading Chaol's document. :o)
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I figured the information is still valid.
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Chaol plays chess, not checkers.

Rather than being off by a couple of years I think it was done at a good time.

Just after that post then people began to create websites, post on other forums, and to create PDFs of this forum.

Without it, it may have not been done. But I do not know what the purpose of spreading Ecsys was.
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Interesting. I hadn't noticed this. Thanks.

This is about all the armageddon I'm allowing into my perspective! ;o)
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Perhaps its only interpreted as 'Armageddon' because we don't want to let go of our old perspectives. The new perspectives can be resisted by some (many?) because it means a drastic change.

It could be a natural process.
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Ah, very nice. Thanks!
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Old logic = 1, 2, 3, 4

Very simple pattern, the most logical for our very right brained perspective = +1

New logic = 1, 2, 3, 5

In this very of interpreting infinite entropy, we realize the logic behind why there is no 4 next. Which takes some lateral thinking

5, is there because it appears at the same time as 1,2, and 3.
(Love/satisfaction/winning/unconditional acceptance/being alive comes first, love is space and before and after the big bang is all space, so it's symbolization (5) comes simultaneous to 1,2,3. Matter is illusion, there is still only just space.

What has a beginning must have an end, love has no beginning, suffering does. (well it never was, just smoke and mirrors)

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The problem with perceiving the new pattern and making it useful, is that we are used to logic then emotion, where this is more similar to emotion then logic.

It requires surrender and trust, because you have to open yourself up to possibility which could be infinitely good and infinitely bad. We feel shame and unworthiness so we cap the amount of happiness we can handle at any one time. ECSYS to me is just about learning how you can experience anything more specifically satisfaction.

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The pattern is difficult because it is like flying, you must already be off the ground for it to work. It is a more efficient way to perceive, that conserves more energy by bring your manifestations and intent closer together.

We make a genius, then interact with it, then look for how that consciousness and relationship is reexpressed into a new representation. The trick is that you are unfocusing and using less "normal" logic.

Let's say you wanted a fantastic get away, then you see a tree with "hawaii or bust" carved into it, then a week later you see an ad on tv for cheap flights for Hawaii, then someone gives you lei, then onward as it become more and more relative in your reality.

You are interacting with the same thing (you relationship with your desire to experience hawaii) it is just symbolized and represented in not obvious ways to your "normal" logic, however with practice this "new" logic will allow you to feel and know these representations in faster ways. They will not be predictable or expected, they will sort of effortlessly appear and make themselves very obvious. A coincidence that is just too weird, and thus focusing you on possibilities that saves energy, because it is easier to have you get closer to you true desire than to try to swim in a tv ad or tree. The relationship is what matters and you interaction with the representation that has the relationship you desire. (don't forget this is subjective, your relationship with mushrooms may be different than mine, and thus your interaction with it would yield something different)

This logic is still a logic, it is still linear, however it seems like "magic" from a different perspective. Someone else might not see how interacting with a tree, sniffing, hugging, rubbing, and caressing it would get you to hawaii, but it just might if the relationship is the same.

Note: you never get what you want because it is irrelevant before you get it. If wanted to win lottery, might find representation of magic wand that grants infinite wishes instantly, same result and relationship, different symbols. Don't pigeon hole with expectations because you are then discounting and Infinite of other ways could manifest, and thus lengthening the process.

Still can get a lottery win, but will require come ingenuity to map it and keep it relevant in the new perspective you move through.

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Please note, there is a pattern even more efficient chaol hints at that might go 0, 123, 123, 246, 369, 615, etc. we will always be finding more efficient patterns that make love and magic more present in our lives? or maybe irrelevant, just the beginning

Disclaimer: I don't actually know what I am talking about, and this is just nonsense role playing I do when I am clownin'. Go to work everyday, work hard, no breaks. ;)
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I like it when you don't know what you're talking about, heh!

I like to think of it as I'm drawing geogrpahical maps and then seeing what happens. Eventually, I'll know which ones to draw, heh!
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This 'symbol alphabet' you guys are beginning sounds a lot like what I read on and understand as the ancient senzar to be. I'm intrigued at the prospect of a new way to interface with one another. Hieroglyphics come to mind as they relate a concept in picture form, allowing the reader to form their own unique way of seeing that thought-sequence playing out in this reality, as opposed to the way we communicate or convey our ideas now leaves no room for the reader to add his own flavor. The construct is established by the original writer (OW), so the 'reader' has no reason or opportunity to 'think'. The thought was 'completed' by the OW. I see what you are proposing as similar to hieroglyphics, but cleaner and simpler, more attuned to the need for free thinking now and the nature-technologies of tomorrow. I like it! (will be reading) Just trying to understand...cool2
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Welcome. I'm just trying to understand too. It sounds to me like you're off to a great start. There are 2 archived websites and 6 threads here, so we have plenty of material. Plus others have archived some of the material.

Scoll down to favorite links to see them:
[link to gumpylife.blogspot.com]
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Are you able to change things that are happening while you're dreaming?
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Yes. Aren't you?
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Sometimes and I usually do it when I really like something or really don't like it, lol!
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Here's some unveiling.....whole timeline of Obamer:
[link to www.slideshare.net]
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Thanks. I don't know how valid any of that is but I know the best way to keep a secret is to make the "truth" unbelievable.

If I wanted to steal your cookie jar I would train a troupe of a dozen monkeys. I would dress each one in Victorian attire. One monkey would even carry a parasol. The monkeys would slowly waltz into your room, making their way over to your cookies. You would not even realize the cookies or the monkeys are gone!

1) Any witness would be too shocked to take action.

2) Any witness would probably not report what they saw

3) There is no risk to training the monkeys. But there is a risk of being caught. Therefore, devote all resources to making each thing you want to get away with as unbelievable as possible.

(However, the more it relates to your current reality the more potential for exposure. If the monkeys were naked and began to act like monkeys you would be more aware of what is happening, and be more likely to relay it to others.)

There are some realities too strange for even 'conspiracy theorists' to consider.

Someone could write a book on it and it will still be hidden.

If you want to hide something, hide it from perspective by making it as irrelevant to it as possible. Then people would not even have the language to express the reality.

Is this not how we find ourselves now?
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This is the first time I've seen a whistleblower who is eyewittness to some of it, though.

Some of the stuff I believe, I can't mention to most folks....including here in GLP!

Interesting, yes we have hidden the language and made it irrevelvant to our perspective. The question is, why? And, I suppose this perception of our governments is a projection of this and why Chaol suggested we look to those closest to us to see what's hidden?
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The 'actors' are certainly being unveiled more than ever. We are realizing how much the world is a stage.

And, ultimately, how your "I" is the entire production.
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Yes and therefore, all the more interesting to see how convulted we have hidden things.
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I don't know why I'd want this, but today I discovered one can even get broker. High time for a genius I'd think.
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Yup! Time to get that turned around. But the neat thing is, what you'll learn while learning how it works. ;p
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