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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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I have recently discovered something so amazing, that it may require a separate document.

Chaol hints at it in these posts (several times) but doesn't go into any detail on it.

The question is this:

How can you dramatically change your perspective while your perspective is still an 'expression' of who you are?

How could, for example, you go to South America tomorrow and be surrounded by what seems to be completely new values of perspective?

The meaning behind nearly all of his posts, and perhaps the method of his reality and means of 'travel', is now much more obvious to me.

It is the reason why we can change the details in our perspective so easily. It is the HOW of our reality. There really is no difference between one thing and another thing, like a bank account with $50 in it and one with $50,000,000 in it.

The differentiating factor is not "50" vs. "50,000,000" but in the relationships formed between the two values, and the resulting geometry of relationships.

This seems to be the ultimate breadcrumb, and it seems the task now is to either:

1) use the understanding gained for life as normal, continuing along the same path or a somewhat different path- UNLIKELY. With an understanding of reality, the idea would not be to slightly change reality or continue life as normal.

2) use the new understanding to join Chaol in his world - UNNECESSARY, would require more energy than #3, and a bit awkward-seeming. Also I think Chaol's world is unique to Chaol and those like Chaol.

3) use the new understanding gained to make a new world - MOST LIKELY. The dreamworld is an extension of physicality and the physical world, as Chaol has said. Dreams are physical. But physicality is far more vast than we understand now. And the dreamworld is far more vast than we could possibly imagine. It may, in fact, be everything that exists.

It sounds crazy but I think an entirely new world is possible using the methods Chaol has outlined. I believe Chaol has used my physical Logic in order to communicate with other values in my perspective (everything else) in order to unveil the ultimate process in our reality.

To 'create' a massive Genius that either 'results' in:

1) Changing this world - UNLIKELY, as it would take more energy than #2. It is also in its own process.

2) Building an entirely new world from scratch

I believe this is the shift that I feel. It would be like building a layer on top of this layer (Earth) that is a new type of physicality.

This world is not dying, however. Earth will continue to live for many millions of years yet. But it is we who are dying, and the world we have built for ourselves.

#2 is possible if we take the tools of the new physicality to make it a reality.

And the geometry of relationships is the key!
 Quoting: Chaol




I assume the "tools" are learning how to use ourselves as a Genius?

When we had the tornadoes here last week, there was one that touched down not far from my house (it formed where I threw a symbol a week or so before) and then it skipped over my house and touched down on the other side of my house, about 8 miles away.

I was home at the time and when the sirens went off, I visualized geometery, with the intent that a tornado would not hit us.

I can't tell you for sure if my visualization and intent caused the tornado to skip us, but it sure made an impression on me. I am ready to learn more about how all this works.
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Now, off to the abyss.

I'll be reading posts, but will respond to them after some time.

Thanks, everyone, for all of your tremendous help!

A new world awaits!
 Quoting: Chaol





Thank you! I'm looking forward to the documents whenever you're ready. Until then....cheers! hf
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I have recently discovered something so amazing, that it may require a separate document.

Chaol hints at it in these posts (several times) but doesn't go into any detail on it.

The question is this:

How can you dramatically change your perspective while your perspective is still an 'expression' of who you are?
 Quoting: Chaol


Hand a monkey a hat and it's no longer just a monkey. Is this what you're getting at? It's my understanding that our perspective is an expression of who we are. To change perspective, we need only change the way(logic) we use to interact with our perspective. We can put a hat on it.


How could, for example, you go to South America tomorrow and be surrounded by what seems to be completely new values of perspective?
 Quoting: Chaol


Did you choose "South America" with purpose?

Someone with only a western(English) based language tool set would find themselves in a very "alien" environment just by "going" to south America tomorrow.

Now, if one could fall asleep tonight in the bed they normally fall asleep in and awaken tomorrow morning in South America, they'd certainly be "surrounded by what seems to be completely new values of perspective."

If our recollection of who and what we are is what we identify ourselves of "who we are", then waking up in South America would be a very interesting new hat.

Also, if the universe (or the maps of it) were to flip upside down... I'd be in South America.

Thanks again Chaol. Enjoy your time in the Abyss. I hope you find what you're looking for there.

edit, to add this:

Thread: Dreamt last night of the earth flipping

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 05/26/2013 03:23 PM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Experience indigenious.

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Experience indigenious.
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Looks beautiful, Thanks!

This is pretty good, I've been on a Alan Watts and Terence McKenna kick.

Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Chaol's last post resonates a LOT with me.

I love books with the sudden change of perspective as a subject (like for instance "Job, a comedy of justice" by Robert A. Heinlein, where the main character gets pushed through quite some different parallel universes without knowing what's going on at first; and time travel SciFi, like most of Poul Anderson's books).

I have been wondering a bit why I like that so much... maybe this is why. hf
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Experience indigenious.
 Quoting: U3


Looks beautiful, Thanks!

This is pretty good, I've been on a Alan Watts and Terence McKenna kick.
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I want to make music like that, but speaking neuronics. ;o)



Thanks, will listen to this after I eat some lunch. What a GREAT week-end!!!!!!!!!!!! hf
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Chaol's last post resonates a LOT with me.

I love books with the sudden change of perspective as a subject (like for instance "Job, a comedy of justice" by Robert A. Heinlein, where the main character gets pushed through quite some different parallel universes without knowing what's going on at first; and time travel SciFi, like most of Poul Anderson's books).

I have been wondering a bit why I like that so much... maybe this is why. hf
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hf
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I came across this amazing article from a couple days ago:

[link to www.extremetech.com]

"They start by producing two photons (1 & 2) and entangling them. The first photon (1) is immediately measured, destroying it and fixing the state of the second photon (2). Now a second pair of entangled photons (3 & 4) is created. They then use a technique called “projection measurement” to entangle 2 and 3 — which, by association, entangles 1 and 4. Even though photons 1 and 4 never coexisted, they know the state of 4 is the exact opposite of 1."
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Just checked out: "Job, a comedy of justice" by Robert A. Heinlein and a Poul Anderson book from the library. Thanks Tuuuuuuur! :o)

Jesse, my head is spinning from reading that article. oops2
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NeoChaol, I'm reading back through the thread again, and I realized I now have questions regarding your predecessor's OP.

Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Was "he" living as YOU specifically? I mean, do you find that, when looking at yourself, your current perspective occupies the same geometry of relationships as it did then?

You said you were missing chunks of information, as if it had been carved out. Is what you're doing now, inferring what was held within that void?

If the information is beyond perspective are you not generating a new perspective? So you'd not be obtaining the "original" information. But I suppose, it's possible that they're one and the same.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Do you recall just your experience here in the body you have now, reading this, or are you beginning to realize multiple simultaneous perspectives through recollection?

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


Do you recall how to use the language? If you can, would you please explain it in a way you would have understood as you were before reacquiring your identity here as Chaol?

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
 Quoting: chaol 183770


This^ we now understand thoroughly(I think) and have gone over many times in many different ways in this thread.

* Matter is gravity that has been structured
 Quoting: chaol 183770


This we perceive as the geometry of relationships relative to a symbol. If we take into account the way reality behaves, we see it mirrored in "physical" processes.

* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


These tie into the line about consciousness and I think we're good on them.

That which takes the least amount of energy(frequency of interaction) to perceive, is perceived.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.
 Quoting: chaol 183770


I've got a feel for what you're indicating is possible and a lot of it now seems like "common sense" to me. Yet, I do not understand the language.

I understand the significance of the genius (unmolested chaos represented in an equally chaotic "physical" construct which we introduce into perspective by allowing it to interact with the elements it is meant to interact with as a realized symbol).

Each character is represented by a sound and a 2d rendering housing additional information beyond the immediate relevance of the event(s) or process(es) it is meant to represent. The characters by themselves hold meaning without it being assigned. They each have an input and an output. Each input or output represent one of logic, possibility, interaction or symbol.

Symbol is the element of perspective that is most often represented as an input. Interaction represented less often, possibility even less and logic when compared to symbol is barely represented at all.

I assume the make-up of the language reflects our physical(symbol) based perspective. The characters are arranged on a grid where three equally spaced parallel lines intersect with three perpendicular lines that are also parallel and equally spaced. Each Line on the outside of the intersection represents one of the elements as +, neutral or -. The chart reads like a clock with +S ,S ,-S , +I ,I ,-I ,+P ,P , -P, +L ,L, -L replacing 11 (clockwise) around the clock, in order.

When drawing the characters, they can begin with any input except -L. Whichever input you choose determines the limitations of the possible outputs. An output cannot come before it's input on the chart (if read as a clock).

The above, I understand. But, how is it applied? I'm unable, it seems, to bridge the gap between the language and the Genius. In English, all we have is representation. We assign little meaning to the actual text that houses the representation. It feels as if we've borrowed a language from someone else. As if it is just a means to define our reality.

Based on what we've been told, the language should be able to interface directly into perspective and not just allow us to define it. This would allow direct control of the primary input into the processes that allow us to observe our perspective.

By thinking(visual):feeling(kinesthetic):hearing(auditory) the symbol, we call into perspective the represented input and output.

What I do not understand, is why it seems to me that I am pressing buttons on the remote and the channels seem to not change or change randomly. It's as if I am looking at the guide for scheduled programming and decide I'd like to watch CNN, but after pressing the appropriate button I get RealTv instead. Sure the two are related, both are showing "real" footage of "real" people doing "real" things. But I wanted "today's real news" and not the "best or worse shock news" of the "recent" or "distant" past.

lol
(I am starting to feel like any concept I want to express should be in quotes, with subtext and scribbles in the margin to further define my perspective)

How is it that we come to an functional understanding of the language?

Thanks!
hf

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 05/26/2013 07:43 PM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks for the heads up.

hf
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
 Quoting: Chaol




hf
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
 Quoting: Chaol


Not too tightly hopefully hf
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Hi all. May post this here?:
Thread: Examples of the study of philosophy.
Interesting 'perspective' ;)
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Hi all. May post this here?:
Thread: Examples of the study of philosophy.
Interesting 'perspective' ;)
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Thanks, very interesting indeed.
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
 Quoting: Chaol


Well, the conflict that was brewing all the time between my wife and our son (who is only 9) is reaching a peak these days. I am curious what the effect of this "wave" will be on that.
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The "wave" begins May 30-June 1, per Chaol's timetable.

2013 is the climax.

But looking back, you could say that it starts now.

The Dreamworld awaits. You are no longer standing in the doorway. But how tightly will we grip this physical world?
 Quoting: Chaol


Well, the conflict that was brewing all the time between my wife and our son (who is only 9) is reaching a peak these days. I am curious what the effect of this "wave" will be on that.
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Hi all. May post this here?:
Thread: Examples of the study of philosophy.
Interesting 'perspective' ;)
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Thanks Miqq. Always interested in what my fellow "alternates" are into! Will check it out! ;o)
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I spent the weekend reading Jed McKenna's Theory of Everything. If anyone is interested, it aligns quite nicely with Chaol's material. It seems to me they are talking about same exact thing. For example, McKenna talks about consciousness as being a triangle made from perceiver-perception-perceived.
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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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They are talking incoherent nonsense and distracting from the fact that many predictions were made in this thread (by the OP) that failed hard and the OP vanished.
Just a few severely deluded morans / gov agents playing ping pong, whilst the occasional observer like yourself walks by and asks whats happening.
I recommend you skip it despite the lure of the thread title for the above reasons.
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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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LOL! I haven't finished it yet, but everything I've read has been great. I started a blog to help me understand what I am learning here. It has been invaluable to me.

You are welcome to ask questions as you read from the start of the thread. That's what I've done.

Anyway, welcome! :o)

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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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They are talking incoherent nonsense and distracting from the fact that many predictions were made in this thread (by the OP) that failed hard and the OP vanished.
Just a few severely deluded morans / gov agents playing ping pong, whilst the occasional observer like yourself walks by and asks whats happening.
I recommend you skip it despite the lure of the thread title for the above reasons.
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Yes, it's all nonsense. Nothing to see here.
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I spent the weekend reading Jed McKenna's Theory of Everything. If anyone is interested, it aligns quite nicely with Chaol's material. It seems to me they are talking about same exact thing. For example, McKenna talks about consciousness as being a triangle made from perceiver-perception-perceived.
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Added to my reading list. Thanks. hf
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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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LOL! I haven't finished it yet, but everything I've read has been great. I started a blog to help me understand what I am learning here. It has been invaluable to me.

You are welcome to ask questions as you read from the start of the thread. That's what I've done.

Anyway, welcome! :o)
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Thanks. The funny thing is I actually was here as an AC when this thread first started, but it's just been so long since then that I'm not really sure what's going on anymore. lol.
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I keep trying to catch up and understand what exactly you guys are talking about, but it's starting to become obvious to me that I just need to take the time to read the whole thread from the beginning. I wonder how long that will take. book stoned
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LOL! I haven't finished it yet, but everything I've read has been great. I started a blog to help me understand what I am learning here. It has been invaluable to me.

You are welcome to ask questions as you read from the start of the thread. That's what I've done.

Anyway, welcome! :o)
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Thanks. The funny thing is I actually was here as an AC when this thread first started, but it's just been so long since then that I'm not really sure what's going on anymore. lol.
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We aren't sure either, heh! Maybe you've been here all along but maybe just aren't aware of it! scratching

I doubt details matter much, ya know?
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