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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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First welcome back Chaol.

Can you comment on the following.

Reality exists. "Humans" use language/words to describe perception/perspective. The language and words whether written, spoken or thought "pretend" to be reality. They point at forms, experience, reality but they are not the reality. They are a perception of reality that somehow resides outside of reality (I know that's a paradox). Like when we pretend there is an I/me. There is no me in reality, but there is this perception of a me - a meaning/experience attached to the word/sense I/me. I do not exist but a perception of an I does and it's attached to the words "I/me". It's the creation of an experience outside of reality. So ecsys is a language that is more directly tied into these experiences that somehow exist outside of reality.

Thanks.
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Hi. Thanks.

Where is your quote coming from?
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it looks like it was quoted from one of your posts but it was not. i accidentally hit quote when I wrote it this morning. it was an attempt to describe how language was creating reality and how I thought ecsys operated. obviously you did not write it.

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it looks like it was quoted from one of your posts but it was not. i accidentally hit quote when I wrote it this morning. it was an attempt to describe how language was creating reality and how I thought ecsys operated. obviously you did not write it.

Thanks
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I see. My comments follow.

Reality exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I'm not sure about your definition for that, but because it seems important we can define it a bit more.

Perhaps there is no clear definition for "reality" but if we think of it in terms of experience, rather than something that is true, then I can only say that we seem to experience. Or seem to experience a reality. [See below, regarding representations.]

"Humans" use language/words to describe perception/perspective. The language and words whether written, spoken or thought "pretend" to be reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes, but keep in mind that most of our perception cannot be described because it does not come to the language sense.

If, in the second part, you're saying that the language represents reality then yes, it does. Although when we imply that something is pretending we may be suggesting that the reality is possible (it is not, and needs not to be). All we know is representations, and they are more than good enough for any purpose.

They point at forms, experience, reality but they are not the reality. They are a perception of reality that somehow resides outside of reality (I know that's a paradox).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


The representations are the only reality. There is nothing greater, except that which is not represented (and is thus not relevant).

We can only perceive and experience representations.


Like when we pretend there is an I/me. There is no me in reality, but there is this perception of a me - a meaning/experience attached to the word/sense I/me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


There is an I/me, but it is a representation. It is valid for all intents and purposes.

The "reality" is the representation (as there is nothing else).

The experience comes from the ever-changing relationships between one thing and an other.

I do not exist but a perception of an I does and it's attached to the words "I/me". It's the creation of an experience outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes, you exist. As an abstract perspective. (This perspective, you could say, is the difference between all of the relationships. The relationships are always changing, or seem to change, and so does your perspective.)

So ecsys is a language that is more directly tied into these experiences that somehow exist outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Ecsys is more of a way to attach meaning to the relationships and, thus, value the relationships in your own way.

For example, take away the name "Nike" from that company, its shoes, branding, etc., and the interactions with it will change because people will value it in a different way. The representations help to perceive the relationships that were already there.

Thus, the Genius [link to ecsys.org]

What you would be doing with the Genius is basically representing something so you can perceive it more.

Pregnant women understand this when their perspective is suddenly populated by other pregnant women, and it seems that they came out of nowhere. (It could be the same with a new car, or some other new things in your life. You start to take notice of what was already there. And then it becomes more a part of your life, and your life is changed.)

The difference with the Genius is that you can represent anything and have any change of perspective.

Hope this helps.
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Are you ready for the next round of "OMG!"?

Coming soon to a theater near you on September 9th.

Buy your tickets now.
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Are you referring to The Apparition?
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I'm not sure what The Apparition is.

September 9 is just when a "new movie" comes out.

[edit: no. Not that movie. This one lasts much longer.]
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Soooooo, would you please describe the "movie"?

What will the "story line" be?

What will the "effects" of it likely be in this reality?

Thanks!

hf
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it looks like it was quoted from one of your posts but it was not. i accidentally hit quote when I wrote it this morning. it was an attempt to describe how language was creating reality and how I thought ecsys operated. obviously you did not write it.

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228157


I see. My comments follow.

Reality exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I'm not sure about your definition for that, but because it seems important we can define it a bit more.

Perhaps there is no clear definition for "reality" but if we think of it in terms of experience, rather than something that is true, then I can only say that we seem to experience. Or seem to experience a reality. [See below, regarding representations.]

"Humans" use language/words to describe perception/perspective. The language and words whether written, spoken or thought "pretend" to be reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


would have saved you a lot of typing if you had just said - you are completely wrong. That theory was completely off base.

Yes, but keep in mind that most of our perception cannot be described because it does not come to the language sense.

If, in the second part, you're saying that the language represents reality then yes, it does. Although when we imply that something is pretending we may be suggesting that the reality is possible (it is not, and needs not to be). All we know is representations, and they are more than good enough for any purpose.

They point at forms, experience, reality but they are not the reality. They are a perception of reality that somehow resides outside of reality (I know that's a paradox).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


The representations are the only reality. There is nothing greater, except that which is not represented (and is thus not relevant).

We can only perceive and experience representations.


Like when we pretend there is an I/me. There is no me in reality, but there is this perception of a me - a meaning/experience attached to the word/sense I/me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


There is an I/me, but it is a representation. It is valid for all intents and purposes.

The "reality" is the representation (as there is nothing else).

The experience comes from the ever-changing relationships between one thing and an other.

I do not exist but a perception of an I does and it's attached to the words "I/me". It's the creation of an experience outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes, you exist. As an abstract perspective. (This perspective, you could say, is the difference between all of the relationships. The relationships are always changing, or seem to change, and so does your perspective.)

So ecsys is a language that is more directly tied into these experiences that somehow exist outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Ecsys is more of a way to attach meaning to the relationships and, thus, value the relationships in your own way.

For example, take away the name "Nike" from that company, its shoes, branding, etc., and the interactions with it will change because people will value it in a different way. The representations help to perceive the relationships that were already there.

Thus, the Genius [link to ecsys.org]

What you would be doing with the Genius is basically representing something so you can perceive it more.

Pregnant women understand this when their perspective is suddenly populated by other pregnant women, and it seems that they came out of nowhere. (It could be the same with a new car, or some other new things in your life. You start to take notice of what was already there. And then it becomes more a part of your life, and your life is changed.)

The difference with the Genius is that you can represent anything and have any change of perspective.

Hope this helps.
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it looks like it was quoted from one of your posts but it was not. i accidentally hit quote when I wrote it this morning. it was an attempt to describe how language was creating reality and how I thought ecsys operated. obviously you did not write it.

Thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1228157


I see. My comments follow.

Reality exists.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


I'm not sure about your definition for that, but because it seems important we can define it a bit more.

Perhaps there is no clear definition for "reality" but if we think of it in terms of experience, rather than something that is true, then I can only say that we seem to experience. Or seem to experience a reality. [See below, regarding representations.]

"Humans" use language/words to describe perception/perspective. The language and words whether written, spoken or thought "pretend" to be reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes, but keep in mind that most of our perception cannot be described because it does not come to the language sense.

If, in the second part, you're saying that the language represents reality then yes, it does. Although when we imply that something is pretending we may be suggesting that the reality is possible (it is not, and needs not to be). All we know is representations, and they are more than good enough for any purpose.

They point at forms, experience, reality but they are not the reality. They are a perception of reality that somehow resides outside of reality (I know that's a paradox).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


The representations are the only reality. There is nothing greater, except that which is not represented (and is thus not relevant).

We can only perceive and experience representations.


Like when we pretend there is an I/me. There is no me in reality, but there is this perception of a me - a meaning/experience attached to the word/sense I/me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


There is an I/me, but it is a representation. It is valid for all intents and purposes.

The "reality" is the representation (as there is nothing else).

The experience comes from the ever-changing relationships between one thing and an other.

I do not exist but a perception of an I does and it's attached to the words "I/me". It's the creation of an experience outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes, you exist. As an abstract perspective. (This perspective, you could say, is the difference between all of the relationships. The relationships are always changing, or seem to change, and so does your perspective.)

So ecsys is a language that is more directly tied into these experiences that somehow exist outside of reality.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Ecsys is more of a way to attach meaning to the relationships and, thus, value the relationships in your own way.

For example, take away the name "Nike" from that company, its shoes, branding, etc., and the interactions with it will change because people will value it in a different way. The representations help to perceive the relationships that were already there.

Thus, the Genius [link to ecsys.org]

What you would be doing with the Genius is basically representing something so you can perceive it more.

Pregnant women understand this when their perspective is suddenly populated by other pregnant women, and it seems that they came out of nowhere. (It could be the same with a new car, or some other new things in your life. You start to take notice of what was already there. And then it becomes more a part of your life, and your life is changed.)

The difference with the Genius is that you can represent anything and have any change of perspective.

Hope this helps.
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it would have saved you a lot of typing to just say that the theory was completely incorrect. thank you for responding with so much detail though. I will figure out how to use this yet.
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So how do we transcend realms? How do we become all-knowing?
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What he's basically saying is that the matrix is real and our souls are stuck in it.
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it would have saved you a lot of typing to just say that the theory was completely incorrect. thank you for responding with so much detail though. I will figure out how to use this yet.
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I don't mind the typing. Whatever helps :)

If people don't want so much detail please let me know and I will correct it.

Thanks.
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So how do we transcend realms? How do we become all-knowing?
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You tell me. How do you think it's done?
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What he's basically saying is that the matrix is real and our souls are stuck in it.
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No.

There is no Matrix. Good movie, though.

We're not stuck in anything.
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it would have saved you a lot of typing to just say that the theory was completely incorrect. thank you for responding with so much detail though. I will figure out how to use this yet.
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I don't mind the typing. Whatever helps :)

If people don't want so much detail please let me know and I will correct it.

Thanks.
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Actually, I'm very glad you typed it out. The question posed was exactly what was "bugging" me and typed out much better than I was able.

Your answers clarified what my next question would be.

You say about the "pregnant women" situation. That's absolutely what happens.

However, as you say, "it was already there". It was just ignored previous to that. If a women was to lose the baby (heart breaking, but it happens), her reality has indeed shifted, but pregnant women will has a different symbol attached now - one of sadness, perhaps anger.

I don't see how it can change the reality as such (especially not as drastically as shifting to an "alternate" timeline), although I can absolutely see how it could allow us to perceive "what is" more clearly, and see solutions that may already exist but had been missed due to an alternative perspective.

I know you wish to keep the messenger away from the message, but I think this further explains my "paradox" feeling. I'm not sure how to word it correctly...
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Everything that you know, sense, feel, see, perceive, think, etc., is a representation.

Even in a sense of time, everything you seem to experience "now" is actually infinitesimally in the past. Not just when you look at our Sun as it was 8 minutes ago, or the moon, but also your hand. A very small slice of time, but still in the past. The "now" is also a representation.

These representations are the only reality, because nothing else exists.

When we learn to work with representations we are actually learning how to make them work for us.
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Everything that you know, sense, feel, see, perceive, think, etc., is a representation.

Even in a sense of time, everything you seem to experience "now" is actually infinitesimally in the past. Not just when you look at our Sun as it was 8 minutes ago, or the moon, but also your hand. A very small slice of time, but still in the past. The "now" is also a representation.

These representations are the only reality, because nothing else exists.

When we learn to work with representations we are actually learning how to make them work for us.
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Hmm, very true Chaol, thank you. hf
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snip: When we learn to work with representations we are actually learning how to make them work for us.
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Is 'making representations work for us' something we do already without even knowing it? If yes could you provide an example? Using a familiar experience may make comprehension a little easier. Thanks.
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Chaol,

Take my hand and lead me through this process of directing experience.

Thoth
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Hi, Thoth.

What would you like to know?
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help me experience something - anything with this approach. i need step by step instructions. The ones on ecsys.org are laid out in a way that I can not follow. am open to any suggestion you may have on working with representations. lab rat reporting for duty.
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Chaol,

It does not appear that any of us have had much success during the trial. I will ask you again if you can help me to use the genius or neuroniconics to achieve a certain perception.

I would like to be the best golfer in the universe. I would aim to have no fear or doubt and play my shots with ease. I have already tried to make a new symbol, which was a golf ball covered in elastic bands and wire. Then i took the ball for coffee with me every morning and placed it near my workstation every day so i myself and my coworkers could interact with it every day. So far I have had absolutely no improvement. Can you please describe a more suitable approach because the one that i have chosen has had no noticeable effect.

Thank you
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Sure.

Can you please reiterate what steps you took from [link to ecsys.org] in your trial?
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What I wrote above was my attempt to follow the instructions. Obviously I do not understand the instructions as they are provided,
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Are you ready for the next round of "OMG!"?

Coming soon to a theater near you on September 9th.

Buy your tickets now.
 Quoting: Chaol


Are you referring to The Apparition?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1428284


I'm not sure what The Apparition is.

September 9 is just when a "new movie" comes out.

[edit: no. Not that movie. This one lasts much longer.]
 Quoting: Chaol


Soooooo, would you please describe the "movie"?

What will the "story line" be?

What will the "effects" of it likely be in this reality?

Thanks!

hf
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It's just something that represents the merging of this world with my world.

It all starts 2 years from the date of my first post, intensifies 1 week later, and gets even more interesting 2 weeks after that.

Each has a different experience, so the story line is unique.
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snip: When we learn to work with representations we are actually learning how to make them work for us.
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Is 'making representations work for us' something we do already without even knowing it? If yes could you provide an example? Using a familiar experience may make comprehension a little easier. Thanks.
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Hi.

An example of how you already make representations work for you, right under your fingers:

The computer you're using is completely representative, although to some it may not be so obvious how you're working with representations and making them work for you. Each key on your keyboard is represented by a letter, which in turn presses a switch (a representation) which allows an electrical impulse (a representation) to flow through and the microprocessor (another one) to read the representation and find its corresponding place in the character map (two more).

The icons on your screen, and every bit of information you receive, and every other associated thing.. all representations. Even the electrical impulses which make your fingers type, and your vision. All a field of representations forming relationships and creating what you call reality.

If I told you 100 years ago that billions of humans would learn to how to manipulate electrical impulses in order to communicate instantaneously around the world, you probably would have thought me nuts. But now we have mobile telephones and other computing devices. It becomes obvious, but we do not really think of how it happens.

Here I am illustrating the basics of creating both physically-oriented representations (the Genius) and non-physically oriented representations (neuronicons).

You don't need to know how a mouse works in order to do amazing things with it. You need only use it correctly.

If I discussed the mouse to a roomful of people and, without anyone being able to see anyone else, some people started writing on it to make it work while others picked it up and held it to their ear and talked, it might be assumed that it didn't work as advertised.

If someone was keen to use it properly based on the instructions provided then they would be learning how to make the representations work for them. But they probably would not be believed, because it seems more like magic to an interested group of people.

An other way to make representations work for you, in a more abstract way, is the ability to read, speak, write, and understand that of others. Language is completely representative (as is everything else).

By using language we can represent a concept with letters, words, sentences, numbers, etc., give it space (a piece of paper or making a sound in a space), allowing it to interact (communicating to others), and providing some rules to it (word and sentence structure, grammar, etc). The same steps illustrated here: [link to ecsys.org] :

1-Create symbol: Represent your desired thought, object, or experience physically.

2-Find possibility: Create or use space for your symbol or the interactions.

3-Interact: Allow the symbol or representation to interact with the various elements of your reaity

5-Structure: For added bonus, develop structure around the interactions.


Yes, you already communicate by using the Genius of Ecsys. It is how your main physical representation (the brain) works. We simply learned what this universal operating system is and how it works. It is a major discovery for us. This world hasn't yet grasped the concept because it's a little "too late". (The more physically-oriented technology you have the less abstract tools seem useful. Language and other mental tools are dying in your world. You should hear the way most people spoke a few hundred years ago. But, unfortunately, this means all manner of new mental tools do not become popular. Telepathy, anyone?)

So, by using language, you can take an already-extant symbol (or create your own) and use it in ways that can make an entire universe more accessible, if you were so enterprising. Would we be able to get to a distant planet without being able to read or write, or manipulate these representations?

"The Genius" is not something that we invented. It is, itself, a representation of a universal process. "Fire" was fire before we gave it a name, too. You might have invented a lighter (a tool) and shown others how to use it, but "fire" was already there.

Ecsys may sound like magic to some and, like the examples above, are just things that you do already. But instead of showing you how to use a mouse I am showing you ways to manipulate what you consider reality. There are no limitations except the ones you create for yourself (but even the limitation would be representative).

Hope this helps.

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Chaol,

Take my hand and lead me through this process of directing experience.

Thoth
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Hi, Thoth.

What would you like to know?
 Quoting: Chaol


help me experience something - anything with this approach. i need step by step instructions. The ones on ecsys.org are laid out in a way that I can not follow. am open to any suggestion you may have on working with representations. lab rat reporting for duty.
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Sure.

But first, tell me exactly what you'd like to experience.
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Are you referring to The Apparition?
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I'm not sure what The Apparition is.

September 9 is just when a "new movie" comes out.

[edit: no. Not that movie. This one lasts much longer.]
 Quoting: Chaol


Soooooo, would you please describe the "movie"?

What will the "story line" be?

What will the "effects" of it likely be in this reality?

Thanks!

hf
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It's just something that represents the merging of this world with my world.

It all starts 2 years from the date of my first post, intensifies 1 week later, and gets even more interesting 2 weeks after that.

Each has a different experience, so the story line is unique.
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Argh!

hf

This is the point I stopped listening to Bashar.

He also talked about bringing his reality closer, to the point of being able to "co-create".

Your reality is, of course, much closer to ours than an "ET". I assume your intent of teaching us (given this is real) is to allow us to merge realities - perhaps because of your Love over here.

How do we work out which reality is best for us to merge with?

This reality, obviously isn't working. I'd personally be all too happy to join to a new perspective. What power do we have as an "individual" to direct the best possible outcome for us?

(I feel like I'm talking crazy here, help me out!)
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A crash course in telepathy.

1) Find a willing partner. (Er.. one who is patient)

2) Have your partner visualize an object that you know and wait 5-10 seconds to tell you.

3) During this 5-10 second period, try to visualize what your partner is seeing in their mind.

4) At the end of 5-10 seconds, your partner tells you what object he/she was thinking of

5) Quickly repeat from step 2

6) Do this hundreds (or thousands) of times

You would then (likely) be able to know more about what he/she is thinking, and possibly other persons with whom you have some interaction.
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Chaol,

Take my hand and lead me through this process of directing experience.

Thoth
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Hi, Thoth.

What would you like to know?
 Quoting: Chaol


help me experience something - anything with this approach. i need step by step instructions. The ones on ecsys.org are laid out in a way that I can not follow. am open to any suggestion you may have on working with representations. lab rat reporting for duty.
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Sure.

But first, tell me exactly what you'd like to experience.
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I want to be a successful professional golfer.
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A crash course in telepathy.

1) Find a willing partner. (Er.. one who is patient)

2) Have your partner visualize an object that you know and wait 5-10 seconds to tell you.

3) During this 5-10 second period, try to visualize what your partner is seeing in their mind.

4) At the end of 5-10 seconds, your partner tells you what object he/she was thinking of

5) Quickly repeat from step 2

6) Do this hundreds (or thousands) of times

You would then (likely) be able to know more about what he/she is thinking, and possibly other persons with whom you have some interaction.
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Oh, Chaol... hf!

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Argh!

hf

This is the point I stopped listening to Bashar.

He also talked about bringing his reality closer, to the point of being able to "co-create".
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I guess all of "us" are the same heh

Your reality is, of course, much closer to ours than an "ET". I assume your intent of teaching us (given this is real) is to allow us to merge realities - perhaps because of your Love over here.

 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


Someone has finally figured it out! :)


How do we work out which reality is best for us to merge with?

This reality, obviously isn't working. I'd personally be all too happy to join to a new perspective. What power do we have as an "individual" to direct the best possible outcome for us?

(I feel like I'm talking crazy here, help me out!)
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


The reality that is best to merge with (regardless of the usage of terms) is the one that is easiest, following the Law of Energy Perspective:

"we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive."

Cheapest isn't always the best when you're shopping at Target, but in terms of the big picture (what you'd call the universe and everything of it) cheapest also happens to be the best. It's quite efficient in this way.

Actually, whatever reality you're experiencing is working quite well (the process, at least).

Practically-speaking though (for this rest of this post), if you're not happy with your reality then do not focusing on changing it. Focus, instead, on changing the representations.

The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.

It could be that what's holding you back is a little object in the corner of the room.

Why do most people like to get out of town on holiday? Because they're (mostly) surrounded by a new set of representations.

However, it's not the size of the representation that matters. It's the effect that makes the difference.

Start thusly:

1) Try re-arranging the representations you have, in order to change your relationship with the things they represent. For example, this could be putting some photos you have in an album on the wall. Or moving the furniture around in your living room. Or sleeping on the other side of the bed, or getting a new bed. It could be taking an object you really love and giving it to someone else.

Shake up your world! If you want a new reality then learn to manage the one you have, not just live in it.

You are surrounded by representations. This isn't just hyperbole. These representations embody every thought you have, every experience you've had, and everything that is happening to you right now.

2) Find out what the representations are by seeing the effect of your having re-arranged them. It might be subtle but can still be noticed.

3) Change the representations. Even the ones you think are not doing any 'harm' in your reality could be the ones holding you back. Perhaps your trophies from high school in your bedroom are holding you back and giving you the idea that your prime is over. It could be that your ring from university or old love letters are what's holding you back. Even if you don't see or experience the representations every day they still exist in the physical map of your mind. You know where they are, and they're still a part of or close to your physical reality and that is what makes the difference.

What do you change your representations to? Anything that takes the least amount of energy is good for now (until it is no longer). Do not assume that you know the best representation for something (you probably don't, and it's probably counter-intuitive). Just go with the one that takes the least amount of energy. Instead of representing a lost love by looking for a Barbie doll, just go with the magazine that happens to lay next to you. Maybe it's a travel magazine and you'd get in touch with her when you take a trip. Then you will begin to see how your reality works.

Not only do we "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" but we also create that which takes the least amount of energy to create.

Hope this helps.
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Sure.

But first, tell me exactly what you'd like to experience.
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I want to be a successful professional golfer.
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This is good, but can you be (much more) exact than that?

Again, "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive".

So what you're probably doing is allowing yourself to pretend that you are a professional golfer for a short burst of time, because that is the 'reality' that utilizes the least amount of energy.

Ever feel like a professional golfer when you're playing golf on PS3?

If you tell the universe "I want to be a successful professional golfer" Sony's device is probably where it would direct you (or xbox, or a book about Jack Nicklaus, or a golf open, or...). You get the idea.

Tell me exactly what you want to experience and make it hard for the universe to send you to your xbox!

Make it easier, instead, for the universe to give you exactly what you want.

That's why we create a set of rules with the Genius. Because we don't take "umm... not this time, buddy" for an answer!

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A crash course in telepathy.

1) Find a willing partner. (Er.. one who is patient)

2) Have your partner visualize an object that you know and wait 5-10 seconds to tell you.

3) During this 5-10 second period, try to visualize what your partner is seeing in their mind.

4) At the end of 5-10 seconds, your partner tells you what object he/she was thinking of

5) Quickly repeat from step 2

6) Do this hundreds (or thousands) of times

You would then (likely) be able to know more about what he/she is thinking, and possibly other persons with whom you have some interaction.
 Quoting: Chaol


Oh, Chaol... hf!
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


A note:

This works because you are learning how to already perceive what was already there.

You just have to "convince" your mind that you're worthy of it.

"Show me now, dammit! I'm sick of waiting 5-10 seconds!"

And then it happens.

But, again, with telepathy "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" so stop trying to think of stuff. Just let it occur to you.

It works more with those with whom you have a connection. (But sometimes, your assumptions with what they might be thinking would get in the way. So sometimes it is easier to think of what an acquaintance is thinking than a best friend.)

[to add: you perceiving what was already there is no different than your friend perceiving what was already there when s/he thinks of it. Sometin to tink about.]

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Argh!

hf

This is the point I stopped listening to Bashar.

He also talked about bringing his reality closer, to the point of being able to "co-create".
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


I guess all of "us" are the same heh

Your reality is, of course, much closer to ours than an "ET". I assume your intent of teaching us (given this is real) is to allow us to merge realities - perhaps because of your Love over here.

 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


Someone has finally figured it out! :)


How do we work out which reality is best for us to merge with?

This reality, obviously isn't working. I'd personally be all too happy to join to a new perspective. What power do we have as an "individual" to direct the best possible outcome for us?

(I feel like I'm talking crazy here, help me out!)
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


The reality that is best to merge with (regardless of the usage of terms) is the one that is easiest, following the Law of Energy Perspective:

"we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive."

Cheapest isn't always the best when you're shopping at Target, but in terms of the big picture (what you'd call the universe and everything of it) cheapest also happens to be the best. It's quite efficient in this way.

Actually, whatever reality you're experiencing is working quite well (the process, at least).

Practically-speaking though (for this rest of this post), if you're not happy with your reality then do not focusing on changing it. Focus, instead, on changing the representations.

The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.

It could be that what's holding you back is a little object in the corner of the room.

Why do most people like to get out of town on holiday? Because they're (mostly) surrounded by a new set of representations.

However, it's not the size of the representation that matters. It's the effect that makes the difference.

Start thusly:

1) Try re-arranging the representations you have, in order to change your relationship with the things they represent. For example, this could be putting some photos you have in an album on the wall. Or moving the furniture around in your living room. Or sleeping on the other side of the bed, or getting a new bed. It could be taking an object you really love and giving it to someone else.

Shake up your world! If you want a new reality then learn to manage the one you have, not just live in it.

You are surrounded by representations. This isn't just hyperbole. These representations embody every thought you have, every experience you've had, and everything that is happening to you right now.

2) Find out what the representations are by seeing the effect of your having re-arranged them. It might be subtle but can still be noticed.

3) Change the representations. Even the ones you think are not doing any 'harm' in your reality could be the ones holding you back. Perhaps your trophies from high school in your bedroom are holding you back and giving you the idea that your prime is over. It could be that your ring from university or old love letters are what's holding you back. Even if you don't see or experience the representations every day they still exist in the physical map of your mind. You know where they are, and they're still a part of or close to your physical reality and that is what makes the difference.

What do you change your representations to? Anything that takes the least amount of energy is good for now (until it is no longer). Do not assume that you know the best representation for something (you probably don't, and it's probably counter-intuitive). Just go with the one that takes the least amount of energy. Instead of representing a lost love by looking for a Barbie doll, just go with the magazine that happens to lay next to you. Maybe it's a travel magazine and you'd get in touch with her when you take a trip. Then you will begin to see how your reality works.

Not only do we "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive" but we also create that which takes the least amount of energy to create.

Hope this helps.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you Chaol. *Very* helpful. Indeed.
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The relationships of the representations create the reality that you experience.
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To follow up, these relationships are your reality. You don't remember something because it's stored in your brain. You remember it because of the mental and physical map of representations that you are working with.

Nothing else "exists" besides the relationships between one representation to every other. (Nothing)

This is somewhat a paradox because the representation is not real, per se. But the relationship between one thing to another makes it real*.

Ever have a memory of something that "didn't happen"? Or deja vu? The relationships create and re-create your memories and experience, at every moment. Most times you don't even know when your memory has changes, because there is correlation with the rest of your representations (artefacts, friends, etc.)

We can take relationships from home with us when we move or go to work (by living in the mental map, so to speak).

Find new representations (mentally and physically), and you've found a new reality.

*There is a gem in there more important than Einstein's famous mass–energy equivalence. It takes us back to the 'beginning of the universe' when there were no representations to the end, and everything in between. The enterprising mind will find out what it is! (Or not.)

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So how do we transcend realms? How do we become all-knowing?
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You tell me. How do you think it's done?
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If I knew the answer, I wouldn't've asked.
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Sure.

But first, tell me exactly what you'd like to experience.
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I want to be a successful professional golfer.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


This is good, but can you be (much more) exact than that?

Again, "we perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive".

So what you're probably doing is allowing yourself to pretend that you are a professional golfer for a short burst of time, because that is the 'reality' that utilizes the least amount of energy.

Ever feel like a professional golfer when you're playing golf on PS3?

If you tell the universe "I want to be a successful professional golfer" Sony's device is probably where it would direct you (or xbox, or a book about Jack Nicklaus, or a golf open, or...). You get the idea.

Tell me exactly what you want to experience and make it hard for the universe to send you to your xbox!

Make it easier, instead, for the universe to give you exactly what you want.

Ok I want to be a professional golfer on the PGA Tour earning a minimum of $5M US annually for the next 10 years.

That's why we create a set of rules with the Genius. Because we don't take "umm... not this time, buddy" for an answer!
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