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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Thank you. But I may be distracted by the process. I feel quite connected just typing at the computer.

I estimate that the first of 4 PDFs would be ready by November or so.

It's quite a lot of material.
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Wow! I didn't dream it would take that long. I thought you were using software to gather and compile the material. And didn't you say somewhere it's just 2 of the threads?

Anyway, I'm looking forward to it whenever it's ready. Thank you.
 Quoting: U3


The compilation is the easy part. And much of the information will be left out of the first PDF. The first will focus on the basics, as an introduction.

I am working to make the information more accessible, with 2 or 3 layers of logic (as Chaol sometimes did when replying here) so that different people can understand things in a way that is relative to them.
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I see. It sounds great.

Will there be a new Ecsys website in 2013? Chaol made reference there would be. I know you have your hands full with the pdf's so I assume there won't be a website but thought I'd ask.
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Unfortunately, no new Ecsys.com website this year or next that I can see.
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To understand a greater percentage of "the all" than we do now? No.

A different understanding than we do now, sure.

But where there is perspective, there is always mystery.

The joy, I think, comes when cease thinking that there is something else that we do not see.
 Quoting: Chaol

Interesting. So just accept there is always mystery.
 Quoting: U3

There is always that which we are not aware of.

So if this is mystery, then I suppose so.
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So changing realities is the next logical perception if you desire to do things that differ greatly from the current perception/reality?

I will keep my eyes open for that quote. Right now, I don't even know which thread it was in.
 Quoting: U3

There are a few ways to answer this.

In one respect, realities change.

In another, reality does not change.

In yet another, there is no reality.

Where realities seem to change (here, in this reality) it is not about desire but what is relative.

We can desire all you want, but we experience what will take the least amount of energy to experience from our current perspective.

You're talking about making a proxy. Isn't that rather outside of the structure of this reality....much the same as flying or of being 2 places at once?
 Quoting: U3

People are introduced into our perspective quite often. You may meet someone new tomorrow that you have never considered before.

Flying is quite a change from the current human condition, and from my condition.

But making the 'next' person I meet something special takes far less effort.
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Past is just a value of the now.

Decide.

But it's not something set in stone. Your logic changes at each moment, as relationships do. But it's not something we need to know about. (I've seen in represented in the human body but I had no idea what I was looking at.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Why isn't it something we need to know about?

What I'm trying to understand is how I use logic. For example, I didn't realize until a couple of days ago, how much I had been integrating The Netherlands into my life...seemingly for almost my whole life. Just the other day, my family commented on how European I look. I realized I had been dressing and acting European....walking everywhere, riding a bike everywhere, often wearing my hair in European hairstyles.

In the past, I would have even said it must be my destiny. Now, I see it that for whatever reason, I integrated it but I have no idea why. After I met the first people from NL, did I like them so much I kept integrating their country? I didn't like them that much, imo. It's just strange but something I'm looking into.
 Quoting: U3


Hi.

I just mean that it is represented in other ways, so we don't need to know about how the logic of the body changes as each moment. (It is reflected in our reality.)

For your example, just because there are some correlations with The Netherlands does not mean that there is something more to that, or that is where you will end up, or there is a message there. That's more about interaction rather than logic. Logic is free of representations on that scale.

"The Netherlands" is how you've chosen to interpret some of those values. You've chosen something (The Netherlands) based on what you have interacted with already. The interaction is not with the country but with the concept. And the concept is one interpretation out of a multitude.

There's perhaps no reason for it, other than it's something that makes sense in some way. Sometimes we try to extract meaning where none exists. The only "meaning" being a Logic that is free of meaning and exists because its a way to relate to something, and make new relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol




Hi NeoChaol,

Okay, so I can decide to change the logic of the body at any time and be immortal if I choose to do so? (Chaol mentioned that we may overcome death and I'm curious as to how this works....and I'm pretty sure the post is in this thread. I'm watching for it.)

I don't quite follow why logic is free of representations on the scale of interacting with The Netherlands? (I put your statement in bold above, for reference.)

So I am interacting with a concept of European (NL in particular) to form new relationships. And we form new relationships to have new perspectives, but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective.

I have demonstrated to myself that NL is here, that's for sure. I am still amazed I'd pick NL, but anyway, since I've learned this so well, I can use it to choose perspectives I am interested in now.
 Quoting: U3


"Decisions" are only useful inasmuch as something is made more relative by them.

One would not decide to change the logic of the body. The 'new' logic would be more relative. I know nothing of immortality, but if the dreamworld is anything to go by then things are as immortal as they need to be.

If the nature of perspective is anything to go by, you are already immortal because you would always have your perspective, even if certain physical perspectives pass.

I believe Chaol says that death happens to others, not to you (for the reasoning in the last paragraph).

"Logic is free of representations on that scale," means that we interpret logic, or an order, in whichever way is most convenient (or efficient) for us to.

To you the letters "FIFE IH WOHO JWIVH" may represent something different than they would to someone else.

You may see "The Netherlands" but it does not mean that it is "The Netherlands" to your subconscious. It is possible that it is only the idea of what that country represents, not the actual travel or life there. I don't know if there is any good way for you to know what it is for sure.

But, as you've said it, "...but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective." (possibly)

Fundamentally, Logic and Representation are the same. But in our reality, Logic does not care how it is represented. We add the dressings ourselves, but they may belie the shape.
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So changing realities is the next logical perception if you desire to do things that differ greatly from the current perception/reality?


You're talking about making a proxy. Isn't that rather outside of the structure of this reality....much the same as flying or of being 2 places at once?
 Quoting: U3

People are introduced into our perspective quite often. You may meet someone new tomorrow that you have never considered before.

Flying is quite a change from the current human condition, and from my condition.

But making the 'next' person I meet something special takes far less effort.
 Quoting: U3




I see. I guess we actually do this all the time.

I'm really hoping to figure out a way to make flying not so difficult.
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You are much greater than Chaol could ever be.

Chaol is a part of you, not the other way around.
 Quoting: Chaol



So, I"m much greater because he's a value in my perspective? Aren't I also a value in his?
 Quoting: U3

In theory, yes.

But since you are the one asking the question, no.
 Quoting: Chaol


You really lost me here. Would you be so kind as to explain how I'm much greater than Chaol and also, the part about me asking the question relates to the answer. Thanks.
 Quoting: U3


There is only you. But how vast you are.

Is everything from you? From nothing. No direction, no origin where the center is everywhere. The beginning is everywhere because it is irrelevant.

You are greater than Chaol because, as he's said, he is part of who you are. He is a seed that may grow or wither, and is one of many seeds in your experience. For some of you the Chaol seed grows, but it is still growing in your perspective and will never grow beyond it.

Besides that, Chaol wanted you to understand how to be greater than he.

You will do all these things and more, as he's said.
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U3,

is there anything you think would be irrelevant to perspective?

Is there any scenario or idea they a feeling in you makes you feel like you have to reject that option?
 Quoting: LOKK 39964291


Hmmmm, there must be things irrelevant to my perspective because there are things I'd like to change. Chaol said to make the things you don't want, irrelevant but I know ignoring something doesn't work.

Relating differently seems to something seems to work to make it irrelevant but for me, it's usually a slow process. I'm still catching on.

Reject the option of something being irrelevant?
 Quoting: U3


Let's separate the two in definition.

Ignoring something is an active resistance when there is intent to ignore.

This is different than making something irrelevant. [link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

When Chaol uses "ignore" it's more about making it irrelevant to you rather than pushing it away.

You would then have conditions where that thing can no longer thrive or exist.

But of course, a thing is more than it appears.

"Relating to it differently" is more practical advice. A different relationship would mean a different perspective.

The thing you wanted out of your reality would instead be embraced, and become something else. (Meaning, instead of pushing part of your self away you would continue to accept all of your values, and simply change the values that are no longer relevant.)
 Quoting: Chaol

Thank you. I knew making something irrelevant was not ignoring it. I am so glad to have Chaol's post and your input.

I have some physical symptoms that I'm learning to relate to differently and I see a difference already.

Now, I'm going to blog both posts so I can find it again.
hf
 Quoting: U3

You are very welcome :)

Without the input of you and everyone here we would not be as far along.

Thank you.
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Why isn't it something we need to know about?

What I'm trying to understand is how I use logic. For example, I didn't realize until a couple of days ago, how much I had been integrating The Netherlands into my life...seemingly for almost my whole life. Just the other day, my family commented on how European I look. I realized I had been dressing and acting European....walking everywhere, riding a bike everywhere, often wearing my hair in European hairstyles.

In the past, I would have even said it must be my destiny. Now, I see it that for whatever reason, I integrated it but I have no idea why. After I met the first people from NL, did I like them so much I kept integrating their country? I didn't like them that much, imo. It's just strange but something I'm looking into.
 Quoting: U3


Hi.

I just mean that it is represented in other ways, so we don't need to know about how the logic of the body changes as each moment. (It is reflected in our reality.)

For your example, just because there are some correlations with The Netherlands does not mean that there is something more to that, or that is where you will end up, or there is a message there. That's more about interaction rather than logic. Logic is free of representations on that scale.

"The Netherlands" is how you've chosen to interpret some of those values. You've chosen something (The Netherlands) based on what you have interacted with already. The interaction is not with the country but with the concept. And the concept is one interpretation out of a multitude.

There's perhaps no reason for it, other than it's something that makes sense in some way. Sometimes we try to extract meaning where none exists. The only "meaning" being a Logic that is free of meaning and exists because its a way to relate to something, and make new relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol




Hi NeoChaol,

Okay, so I can decide to change the logic of the body at any time and be immortal if I choose to do so? (Chaol mentioned that we may overcome death and I'm curious as to how this works....and I'm pretty sure the post is in this thread. I'm watching for it.)

I don't quite follow why logic is free of representations on the scale of interacting with The Netherlands? (I put your statement in bold above, for reference.)

So I am interacting with a concept of European (NL in particular) to form new relationships. And we form new relationships to have new perspectives, but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective.

I have demonstrated to myself that NL is here, that's for sure. I am still amazed I'd pick NL, but anyway, since I've learned this so well, I can use it to choose perspectives I am interested in now.
 Quoting: U3


"Decisions" are only useful inasmuch as something is made more relative by them.

One would not decide to change the logic of the body. The 'new' logic would be more relative. I know nothing of immortality, but if the dreamworld is anything to go by then things are as immortal as they need to be.

If the nature of perspective is anything to go by, you are already immortal because you would always have your perspective, even if certain physical perspectives pass.

I believe Chaol says that death happens to others, not to you (for the reasoning in the last paragraph).

"Logic is free of representations on that scale," means that we interpret logic, or an order, in whichever way is most convenient (or efficient) for us to.

To you the letters "FIFE IH WOHO JWIVH" may represent something different than they would to someone else.

You may see "The Netherlands" but it does not mean that it is "The Netherlands" to your subconscious. It is possible that it is only the idea of what that country represents, not the actual travel or life there. I don't know if there is any good way for you to know what it is for sure.

But, as you've said it, "...but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective." (possibly)

Fundamentally, Logic and Representation are the same. But in our reality, Logic does not care how it is represented. We add the dressings ourselves, but they may belie the shape.
 Quoting: Chaol




Yes, we are immortal already. But Chaol said we may overcome death.

I'm really interested in how the logic works either in overcoming death or in how our logic works for a lifetime. I'm also interested in Chaol's statement that we are "here" because we forgot the logic.

I'm just trying to understand logic from every angle I can. To me, logic manifests the representation.
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So, I"m much greater because he's a value in my perspective? Aren't I also a value in his?
 Quoting: U3

In theory, yes.

But since you are the one asking the question, no.
 Quoting: Chaol


You really lost me here. Would you be so kind as to explain how I'm much greater than Chaol and also, the part about me asking the question relates to the answer. Thanks.
 Quoting: U3


There is only you. But how vast you are.

Is everything from you? From nothing. No direction, no origin where the center is everywhere. The beginning is everywhere because it is irrelevant.

You are greater than Chaol because, as he's said, he is part of who you are. He is a seed that may grow or wither, and is one of many seeds in your experience. For some of you the Chaol seed grows, but it is still growing in your perspective and will never grow beyond it.

Besides that, Chaol wanted you to understand how to be greater than he.

You will do all these things and more, as he's said.
 Quoting: Chaol



I didn't know he said this. (Sounds just like something the Jesus figure said.)
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Sure. I have stomach pain that seems connected to certain foods if I consume them. I would like to make it irrelevant. Right now, when I feel the pain, I speak a mantra. I tried imagining playing jump rope with the pain, but that didn't work as well as the mantra. I've thought about consuming the foods, facing whatever symptoms pop up with the mantra but not sure if that's a good idea.
 Quoting: U3

The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
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I want my wife to be happy and feel love

Those things dont exist in unity/0/nothingness

Existence itself is fabricated upon a lie.


But it is a good illusion, this should maybe make you feel more comfortable that existence will always be a distortion. Because it is distorted for your happiness.

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Unconditional Love resists nothing, but also resist the MOST unconditional love which is unity, because there is nothing to be had there.

So you are resisting no thing, and nothing... which then brings more love into perspective for forever and ever and ever and ever.
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I like it, it works for me
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I like it too. Very much.

But, I have a question. Is our only choice to live with fear of non-existence?
 Quoting: U3


This "fear" of non-existence is more primal than something to worry about in human living, I think.

It is not the same as "fear of death" but more of a resistance of nothing-in-particular.
 Quoting: Chaol



Aha! That makes sense. I'd like to hear some more about what constitutes primal and why it isn't something to be concerned about. Wouldn't any resistance be something to be aware of or release?
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It is primal because we "are" this nothing-in-particular.

It could be inaccurately said that this is our source. So, as primal as could possibly be.

Resistance = existence.

Without it, there would be nothing.

We don't need to be aware of all we resist because they're just illusions anyway. They have no real value other than that assumed.
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Neo, I have a question I've wondered about a long time. Chaol has said there are values in our perspective such as:

Sekhmet (He said she's waited 30,000 years)
Super Galatic Earthquake (He said it happened 1,000's of years ago but is a value in our current perspective)
He told me Edgar Cayce is a value in my perspective (just because I had heard of him and studied some of his stuff)

Anyway, how are things like the SG earthquake a value in my perspective when I didn't even know about it until about 2 years ago? Or Sekhmet, which I didn't know about until recently.

Does this mean the bible, the quoran, kaballah, alesiter crowley, terrorists, etc: all values in my perspective? And how do I end up with these values in my perspective?
 Quoting: U3

They are all represented in your perspective.

What isn't a value in your perspective through representation? But your examples are values because you have used their names, and have related them to something else.

But the utility comes in how relative those values are.

I am not sure how much of this I should speak but in one way, Thing X is a value in your perspective because Chaol has introduced it.

At least a few things have been made (much) more relative because he introduced it into perspective.
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You will do all these things and more, as he's said.
 Quoting: Chaol

I didn't know he said this. (Sounds just like something the Jesus figure said.)
 Quoting: U3

Teachers say such things sometimes, I guess.
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Sure. I have stomach pain that seems connected to certain foods if I consume them. I would like to make it irrelevant. Right now, when I feel the pain, I speak a mantra. I tried imagining playing jump rope with the pain, but that didn't work as well as the mantra. I've thought about consuming the foods, facing whatever symptoms pop up with the mantra but not sure if that's a good idea.
 Quoting: U3

The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?

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So, I"m much greater because he's a value in my perspective? Aren't I also a value in his?
 Quoting: U3

In theory, yes.

But since you are the one asking the question, no.
 Quoting: Chaol


You really lost me here. Would you be so kind as to explain how I'm much greater than Chaol and also, the part about me asking the question relates to the answer. Thanks.
 Quoting: U3


There is only you. But how vast you are.

Is everything from you? From nothing. No direction, no origin where the center is everywhere. The beginning is everywhere because it is irrelevant.

You are greater than Chaol because, as he's said, he is part of who you are. He is a seed that may grow or wither, and is one of many seeds in your experience. For some of you the Chaol seed grows, but it is still growing in your perspective and will never grow beyond it.

Besides that, Chaol wanted you to understand how to be greater than he.

You will do all these things and more, as he's said.
 Quoting: Chaol




Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
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Neo, I have a question I've wondered about a long time. Chaol has said there are values in our perspective such as:

Sekhmet (He said she's waited 30,000 years)
Super Galatic Earthquake (He said it happened 1,000's of years ago but is a value in our current perspective)
He told me Edgar Cayce is a value in my perspective (just because I had heard of him and studied some of his stuff)

Anyway, how are things like the SG earthquake a value in my perspective when I didn't even know about it until about 2 years ago? Or Sekhmet, which I didn't know about until recently.

Does this mean the bible, the quoran, kaballah, alesiter crowley, terrorists, etc: all values in my perspective? And how do I end up with these values in my perspective?
 Quoting: U3

They are all represented in your perspective.

What isn't a value in your perspective through representation? But your examples are values because you have used their names, and have related them to something else.

But the utility comes in how relative those values are.

I am not sure how much of this I should speak but in one way, Thing X is a value in your perspective because Chaol has introduced it.

At least a few things have been made (much) more relative because he introduced it into perspective.

 Quoting: Chaol




Yes! And this is one reason I see him as separate from me. He has taught me things I had no idea about. He says he is playing chess. Everything he does is strategic. So, there are reasons for the things he introduces that I probably can't even guess at.


I'm not sure why you wouldn't speak of this, but you probably know something I don't know, too!

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Rio de Janeiro 17/06/2013 - [link to i.imgur.com]

[link to www.nytimes.com]

This is an example of something impossible to happen in the minds of many brazilians 1 year ago.

Interesting times...
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Everything just feels normal. Every day the same troubles at home, the same dullness at work, enjoying driving to and from work. Some things happening in Turkey on the international level, but I am not following news that much these days.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


I'm starting to feel disconnected from almost everyone in my direct surroundings; I went out in the city yesterday and we had a bike tour today, and I was not able to connect with the people around me. Very strange.
 Quoting: tuuuuur


well, that didn't take long, did it? Just yesterday you were feeling "normal" :)

Is anyone else feeling normal?
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yes
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10 days ago you said you felt pretty normal.

are you feeling normal now? ;)
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I'm starting to feel disconnected from almost everyone in my direct surroundings; I went out in the city yesterday and we had a bike tour today, and I was not able to connect with the people around me. Very strange.
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well, that didn't take long, did it? Just yesterday you were feeling "normal" :)

Is anyone else feeling normal?
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yes
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10 days ago you said you felt pretty normal.

are you feeling normal now? ;)
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
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Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

As I mentioned a few days ago, when I first started to "feel the power" of whatever it is that I am and was experiencing when I first began to explore Ecsys, I was thinking about flying.

Flying is "cool" but it is not something our physical bodies find easy to do, nor our reality because of it.

Learning about the importance of the law of energy efficiency and how it relates to my perspective has led me to some rather unique experiences.

That is when I thought about why I wanted to do something like that. What would the purpose be in my reality if I could fly?

Because it was more interesting than useful, it is perspective-inefficient. Flying served no real purpose other than to satisfy a curiosity and perhaps making myself feel good in the process. If my reality found it efficient to fly instead of walk or use some other way of getting from one point to another then I would be able to fly.

But in the process of coming up with a flight plan, with Genius elements, I reminded myself of what I have learned. And that is our next experience is relative to surrounding experiences.

So instead of flying I thought about dematerialization and rematerialization (or 'teleporting' from one place to another). This is less interesting and perhaps more confusing than flying but it can probably be more useful to me and my experience.

I began to think of the most perspective-efficient way to get from where I am to someplace else. Really, from where I seem to be to someplace else.

The result? I have managed to teleport myself across the house.

I begin by selecting my starting and ending rooms and making both dark. I then place two identical objects outside of each room. In each room I have a different song playing at low volume. I carefully inspect the identical objects outside of the rooms carefully. Entering the first room I hear the music and close my eyes. I then imagine that the song changes to the song in the destination room, and the shape of the room changes to it. There is a giant sucking sound and a strange sense of physical vibration but after about a 40 seconds of this I find myself in the second room.

Over the past few days I have tried this again and again, and it usually results in what I can only refer to as teleportation. I have done everything but lock the destination door in an attempt to foil myself or catch myself in sleepwalking or some other trickery of perception. But I am now convinced that I can change my physical perspective in moments, simply by linking the two rooms.

I'm not sure why I experience a physical vibration but I do not think of it as de-materialization. It is an actual change of perspective, although slight because I have made the two rooms very relative to my perspective. During this time I am kind of convincing myself that the easiest way to get from one room to other other room is simply to be there. (Or, more to my thinking, to experience a transition of one room.)

It does not work when the lights are on or I don't have something to link the two rooms (identical objects or music). I have not yet discovered why but I am assuming it is because the values represent a kind of perspective wormhole linking the two spaces in my reality.

It does not work (yet) for locations outside of my home, though I have been experimenting.

My next post will talk a little more about this and explore how we can use this method for any kind of experience.
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

Let's think about how you can make anything you want more relative to your experience by following the below example.

Imagine there is a tree in front of your house that you want gone because you're planning to build a pond somewhere and its location is ideal.

We might think that we can use the Genius to move the tree for us. Some of us might be quick to think that if a Genius model is made then the tree would simply disappear one morning.

A disappearing tree would be magic. However, the Genius uses logic.

So instead of wanting the tree to disappear (using visualization or whatever), Chaol has taught us to not focus on the disappearing tree but on the reality surrounding the tree no longer being there.

By itself the tree has no value. It is only there (or not there) in relation to its reality. So in order for the tree to disappear in our reality we must illustrate, logically, how this condition manifests. The surrounding relationships must also change.

Using the Genius we may find a piece of rubber to represent the tree and think of some random logic for it, following all of the steps of the Genius.

We need not be obvious with the intention (to make the tree disappear) because the reality of the tree is not obvious to us. The disappearing tree is more than just the tree. It is the ground, the neighbors, the street, even the birds. The Genius is the common denominator between all of these values and shapes reality to our intention.

.. and it also unveils the way for the most perspective-efficient way to make the tree disappear.

But if we're only looking at the tree it will not be obvious to us. We must "close our eyes" and sense the common denominator that we our subconscious is aware of.

The rubber, for example, that we thought had nothing to do with a tree may actually represent the process by which a city bulldozer comes to take it down. The random logic that we made up might be perfect for a storm where lightning strikes the tree. The possibility element we chose may relate well with the tree's roots.

It is not so much that we are sensing what these elements are (for example, that we are psychic enough to pick up on the logic of lightning) but that we are shaping perspective when we use the Genius.

I used to think that the statement that we are re-creating the universe at every moment was pure nonsense. But now I see and understand that it is the most energy efficient way for existence to illustrate itself. Not to use what has been done before but to make everything anew and give it the illusion of history and future potentiality.

It would be like a writer having a choice between writing a story that she was once told and creating a new story. Although we may think that the first choice is easiest because the writer knows the story, it is actually the second choice that the flow of nature can take its course.

And so the Genius makes us authors of our perspective. With it we can do anything that we can imagine, experience anything, and feel anything because we are experiencing our imagination.

"Perspective" is then misleading if confused with perception, or of sense. We are not perceiving anything. We are experiencing the geometry of the relationships of everything in our imagination (the values).

With the Genius we are changing the relationships of the things in our imagination (and thus perspective). And, by this, our reality changes.

But I believe Chaol did not want to use "imagination" because of how little it is valued and because it is not thought of as being real. So I will continue to use "perspective", but define it as 'sensing the reality of our imagination' in this way.

By the time we imagine the relationship the reality already exists. We have only to navigate the relationship in a way that makes it as relative as we need it to be in our reality.

So in our tree-moving example, we have two choices (for simplicity):

1) Imagine that the tree disappears

2) Enable a value in our perspective to move it

When we consider the logic of the second option we realize that the first option would actually require more perspective-energy because it is not logical to our perspective.

This is the key.

Which of the following is more perspective-efficient?

You want to win the lottery. Do you 1) make a Genius for the winning numbers or; 2) make a Genius for a total stranger giving you millions? (In this example, it is more logical that you would meet a total stranger who gives you millions than it would to discover the winning numbers ahead of time)

You want a new car. Do you 1) make a Genius for finding a lost loot of cash or; 2) make a Genius for getting an amazing financial deal?

You want to find a long-lost friend. Do you 1) make a Genius to find that person or; 2) make a Genius to run into their best friend?

You are hungry for chocolate ice cream. Do you 1) make a Genius for ice cream to appear in your freezer or; 2) make a Genius for a neighbor to give you a gift of ice cream

We should always think the way our Genius thinks. What is the most efficient way for X experience considering the current conditions?

Sometimes the most efficient way is not to make things "materialize" but to leverage something in your reality to make it happen. Your reality is there to be utilized, not just perceived, because it is you. You would, in essence, be helping yourself.

Hope this helps some.
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The Chaol seed is meant to wither. But what it influences reaches far and wide.

Time will tell :)
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

As I mentioned a few days ago, when I first started to "feel the power" of whatever it is that I am and was experiencing when I first began to explore Ecsys, I was thinking about flying.

Flying is "cool" but it is not something our physical bodies find easy to do, nor our reality because of it.

Learning about the importance of the law of energy efficiency and how it relates to my perspective has led me to some rather unique experiences.

That is when I thought about why I wanted to do something like that. What would the purpose be in my reality if I could fly?

Because it was more interesting than useful, it is perspective-inefficient. Flying served no real purpose other than to satisfy a curiosity and perhaps making myself feel good in the process. If my reality found it efficient to fly instead of walk or use some other way of getting from one point to another then I would be able to fly.

But in the process of coming up with a flight plan, with Genius elements, I reminded myself of what I have learned. And that is our next experience is relative to surrounding experiences.

So instead of flying I thought about dematerialization and rematerialization (or 'teleporting' from one place to another). This is less interesting and perhaps more confusing than flying but it can probably be more useful to me and my experience.

I began to think of the most perspective-efficient way to get from where I am to someplace else. Really, from where I seem to be to someplace else.

The result? I have managed to teleport myself across the house.

I begin by selecting my starting and ending rooms and making both dark. I then place two identical objects outside of each room. In each room I have a different song playing at low volume. I carefully inspect the identical objects outside of the rooms carefully. Entering the first room I hear the music and close my eyes. I then imagine that the song changes to the song in the destination room, and the shape of the room changes to it. There is a giant sucking sound and a strange sense of physical vibration but after about a 40 seconds of this I find myself in the second room.

Over the past few days I have tried this again and again, and it usually results in what I can only refer to as teleportation. I have done everything but lock the destination door in an attempt to foil myself or catch myself in sleepwalking or some other trickery of perception. But I am now convinced that I can change my physical perspective in moments, simply by linking the two rooms.

I'm not sure why I experience a physical vibration but I do not think of it as de-materialization. It is an actual change of perspective, although slight because I have made the two rooms very relative to my perspective. During this time I am kind of convincing myself that the easiest way to get from one room to other other room is simply to be there. (Or, more to my thinking, to experience a transition of one room.)

It does not work when the lights are on or I don't have something to link the two rooms (identical objects or music). I have not yet discovered why but I am assuming it is because the values represent a kind of perspective wormhole linking the two spaces in my reality.

It does not work (yet) for locations outside of my home, though I have been experimenting.

My next post will talk a little more about this and explore how we can use this method for any kind of experience.
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We are not teleporting, but rather bringing the 'new' surrounding to you.

Not-Chaol
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
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Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
Tuuur
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

by influencing your reality.

The wheels are already in motion, simply by your previous response.

It's not something that I 'start' to do, just something that happens and I see happen.

The only way to not participate is, unfortunately, to not respond in this thread.

But of course I encourage you to continue exploring your perspective.

I hope to find a better way in future, but for now that is what it is.

Do you prefer your drink mixed, shaken, stirred, refilled, sipped, or replaced?

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Thanks Chaol 2.0.

I find your experience inspiring and appreciate your posts. The implication, of course, would be that EC provides an "outside" logic by which a tree disappearing or a new room environment are probable.

Thank you. Just reading through your last few posts, sheds new light on how I've come to experience so much of my subjective weirdness and why its been so hard to convince those closest to me it's any more than hard work or coincidence. It's because from their perspective, that's exactly what it is.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Chaol ole' chap,

Can you touch on specificity.

Let's say I want the lottery, so make a genius for a stranger giving me millions.

Is there a fail safe so that The stranger doesn't hit my mother with a car and offer me millions to not report it?

Any thoughts are appreciated.
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Chaol ole' chap,

Can you touch on specificity.

Let's say I want the lottery, so make a genius for a stranger giving me millions.

Is there a fail safe so that The stranger doesn't hit my mother with a car and offer me millions to not report it?

Any thoughts are appreciated.
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I'm sure you'd rather Chaol respond, but I (think I and you) understand.

Maybe include the "people" you want to include in your future in the logical narrative? I don't think I'm personally going to win the lotto. So Iddecided I'd see if I could start influencing others around me instead. I told my dad about chaos magic on Saturday, we just fell into a conversation about it as a result of him telling me about a lucid dream where he personally had won the lotto. When selecting a card for him for father's day, I thought about his dream and decided to get him a couple lotto tickets to throw in it. I put a sigil on the card and envelope, I imagined him calling to let me know he had won and how weird it all was. I gave him the card and made no mention of the sigils and told him to remember his dream. Today is one drawing, tomorrow another. I am not a big lotto fan, but find it funny we're discussing it. Ill letcha all know how it plays out. I've got no expectations, but hell, it'd be pretty cool.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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You want to win the lottery. Do you 1) make a Genius for the winning numbers or; 2) make a Genius for a total stranger giving you millions? (In this example, it is more logical that you would meet a total stranger who gives you millions than it would to discover the winning numbers ahead of time)

We should always think the way our Genius thinks. What is the most efficient way for X experience considering the current conditions?
 Quoting: Chaol



This is awesome.

I have a dear friend who's a struggling single mom, having recently extricated herself from an abusive man. She works very hard but is still scraping by, paycheck to paycheck, as often happens after a divorce wipes you out, and you are getting back on your feet.

As I was reading this post, she was just telling me she has a $2500 emergency. I would like to do a genius on her behalf - not just that she finds the money for this current emergency, but for future emergencies too. Nobody works harder than this friend, and nobody deserves the peace that comes with financial self-sufficiency.

The most efficient way is for her to get a raise. And, she's up for one right now - not just cost of living but a merit raise. So this should be a slam-dunk, right?

So let's try this out. Anyone want to help? Interact away...


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