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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Yes, interesting times.

Especially when much of the industrialized world is helping their cause of resisting the dreamworld. CIA-funded operations created and promoted Facebook, and now it is an important way to capture the definition of your physicality (photos, events, friends, etc.)

Again, all a natural resistance to the dreamworld.

But what's next? Two main things:

1) Creating systems of reporting so that instead of you reporting on yourself (like Facebook) others will report on you.

(This also entails making a population not only afraid to do anything but suspicious of others and giving them the tools and reasons they need to report on others. But reporting on others will first need to be made "cool" like Facebook was.)

2) Creating a quantum computer so that any point in "time-space" can be accessed with loads of data (realistic images in the visible spectrum as well as sounds and other data from the invisible spectrum, and a trail from the object or place through the system)

This physical world will be destroyed before they manage to finish any of it.

But they sure are trying hard with long-term strategies, and I highly respect that.
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Why do you respect it?
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Yes, we are immortal already. But Chaol said we may overcome death.

I'm really interested in how the logic works either in overcoming death or in how our logic works for a lifetime. I'm also interested in Chaol's statement that we are "here" because we forgot the logic.

I'm just trying to understand logic from every angle I can. To me, logic manifests the representation.
 Quoting: U3

Let's pretend we are in a children's park. Yay! You are in a sandbox and I find some cardboard.

The sandbox is potential energy. But really you're focused on the cardboard I give you because it will define your reality. It is Logic.

You then take the box and make a shape. Any random shape will do. I then ask you to place the box onto the sand.

As it lands on the sand suddenly you find yourself in a chamber of some sort, surrounded by water and connected by cords and wires. OMG! You're in a womb and have begun a new life.

This is essentially what we are doing at each moment. We simply define nothing (you could also say that we define something in a way that does not actually matter) and then work within what we have defined.

In this way, we seem to exist. The importance is in the relationships, not in how the box is structured.

The specifics of logic do not matter. We could think for this thought experiment that the universe experiences every possible kind of logic simultaneously in order to illustrate nothing-in-particular.
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Why do you respect it?
 Quoting: U3

Although I am not referring to its pros or cons I use 'respect' here because it is a complete logical structure that works in some way. I see no need to resist it. It will pass soon enough.

And, of course, practically everyone in the Western world participates in its logic to some degree ;)

If we did not acknowledge it or relate to it we probably would not be interacting with it.
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Yes, we are immortal already. But Chaol said we may overcome death.

I'm really interested in how the logic works either in overcoming death or in how our logic works for a lifetime. I'm also interested in Chaol's statement that we are "here" because we forgot the logic.

I'm just trying to understand logic from every angle I can. To me, logic manifests the representation.
 Quoting: U3

Let's pretend we are in a children's park. Yay! You are in a sandbox and I find some cardboard.

The sandbox is potential energy. But really you're focused on the cardboard I give you because it will define your reality. It is Logic.

You then take the box and make a shape. Any random shape will do. I then ask you to place the box onto the sand.

As it lands on the sand suddenly you find yourself in a chamber of some sort, surrounded by water and connected by cords and wires. OMG! You're in a womb and have begun a new life.

This is essentially what we are doing at each moment. We simply define nothing (you could also say that we define something in a way that does not actually matter) and then work within what we have defined.

In this way, we seem to exist. The importance is in the relationships, not in how the box is structured.

The specifics of logic do not matter. We could think for this thought experiment that the universe experiences every possible kind of logic simultaneously in order to illustrate nothing-in-particular.
 Quoting: Chaol




If the specifics of logic don't matter, then why is forgetting the logic why we are here?
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Sure. I have stomach pain that seems connected to certain foods if I consume them. I would like to make it irrelevant. Right now, when I feel the pain, I speak a mantra. I tried imagining playing jump rope with the pain, but that didn't work as well as the mantra. I've thought about consuming the foods, facing whatever symptoms pop up with the mantra but not sure if that's a good idea.
 Quoting: U3

The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
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So, I read this that we are already...all of us...in the Dream World. If this is so, why do we still of dream of it? Or, I suppose, there are different stages of perceiving the dream world, so we still dream of it...until it is perceived?
 Quoting: U3

I suppose if a measurement was given to our state it would be "63%" in the dreamworld.

Yes, there are different stages so to speak. And different dreamworlds.

The universe is a wonderful representation of it ;)

There are dreams even in the dreamworld. Really, just different kinds of relationships.
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
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So, I read this that we are already...all of us...in the Dream World. If this is so, why do we still of dream of it? Or, I suppose, there are different stages of perceiving the dream world, so we still dream of it...until it is perceived?
 Quoting: U3

I suppose if a measurement was given to our state it would be "63%" in the dreamworld.

Yes, there are different stages so to speak. And different dreamworlds.

The universe is a wonderful representation of it ;)

There are dreams even in the dreamworld. Really, just different kinds of relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol





Thank you. So, if we are 63% in it, then physicality is more broken down than I realized.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
 Quoting: Chaol




What does that even mean?

Don't I manufacture perspective? So you are saying it's my nature to destroy?
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Sure. I have stomach pain that seems connected to certain foods if I consume them. I would like to make it irrelevant. Right now, when I feel the pain, I speak a mantra. I tried imagining playing jump rope with the pain, but that didn't work as well as the mantra. I've thought about consuming the foods, facing whatever symptoms pop up with the mantra but not sure if that's a good idea.
 Quoting: U3

The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
 Quoting: Chaol



Yes, it sounds like resistance. So what now? Change perspective?
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Thank you for sharing your experience, NeoChaol. How exciting.

I would like to know why we separate this reality with the dream world? Some of us spend almost as much time there as here, anyway. Let's say 8 hours of sleep at night and 2 hours of meditation during the day....plus an hour a day in these threads....it adds up. And if you take a nap during the day or chill out listening to music, there's another hour or two.

So, when we do a Genius, what is the difference in deciding what's relative and the logical path to something in the Dream World?
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Reposting....just making sure this doesn't get skipped. I've very interested in the answer, heh!
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

by influencing your reality.

The wheels are already in motion, simply by your previous response.

It's not something that I 'start' to do, just something that happens and I see happen.

The only way to not participate is, unfortunately, to not respond in this thread.

But of course I encourage you to continue exploring your perspective.

I hope to find a better way in future, but for now that is what it is.

Do you prefer your drink mixed, shaken, stirred, refilled, sipped, or replaced?
 Quoting: Chaol




So, Neo, I get a couple of impressions at this point. One being that we are moving on somewhat from Chaol's teachings? Is this correct? Iow, some of what he has taught is not as viable as it was when he taught it. They were specific and strategic for that period.

Additionally, from your statement above, re: helping us. Do you see, what I call "surgery" happening, either now or in the future.

Chaol did these type things and actually, they have happened to me over the years, anyway. I had no idea what they were about or who was deciding to do it, but I was always energized after.

Chaol always told us we have to walk over the bridge. That we have to do the work. I asked him why and he said because we wouldn't appreciate it if we didn't do the work ourselves. This indicates there are other ways to cross the bridge. And, since we are apx. 63% there, I just wondered what other changes in whatever the Chaol figure has in store for us, might take place. ;o)
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So, I read this that we are already...all of us...in the Dream World. If this is so, why do we still of dream of it? Or, I suppose, there are different stages of perceiving the dream world, so we still dream of it...until it is perceived?
 Quoting: U3

I suppose if a measurement was given to our state it would be "63%" in the dreamworld.

Yes, there are different stages so to speak. And different dreamworlds.

The universe is a wonderful representation of it ;)

There are dreams even in the dreamworld. Really, just different kinds of relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol

Thank you. So, if we are 63% in it, then physicality is more broken down than I realized.
 Quoting: U3

The dreamworld is a different kind of physicality. But yes, this physical reality is breaking down.

One could even say that our usual type of physicality is an aspect of the dreamworld.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
 Quoting: Chaol


What does that even mean?
 Quoting: U3


"Something" is a trial at illustrating "nothing".

So something is based on nothing.

Perspective and unperspective is this process of existence.

In order for one thing to "be", you must forget what you are to "become" it.

This destruction is another way of forgetting everything and starting anew.

With it, the illusion manifests existence.

Don't I manufacture perspective? So you are saying it's my nature to destroy?
 Quoting: U3


You are perspective.

And it is your nature to 'breathe' perspective.

To breathe (inhale) and unbreathe (exhale) you are able to live.

Through perspective (creation) and unperspective (destruction) you are able to exist.
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The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, it sounds like resistance. So what now? Change perspective?
 Quoting: U3


Changing perspective is what happens naturally (seems to happen). There is nothing that must be done.

I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm saying that one action is no more valuable that another action. Any action may seem to result in experiences that are relative to it (considering other things around it, too).

But new perspectives may come from a realization that everything in your perspective is you.

Why are the challenges there? It's just one of the endless ways we divide our perspective.

When you ask, "How can I become another person and think new thoughts" do you realize you are already that person and thinking those thoughts?

There is no need to become what you already are.

But this is all nonsense. Practically-speaking, you can get to where you want by making it more relative.

Are they challenges or are they parts of who you are? Why conquer yourself? Why solve yourself?

As you know, you can accept these problems or challenges in order to change the relationship and the experience.

The problems are the result of resistance being illustrated. They are not inherently problems, they are chaos (an order we do not understand). We interpret some as problems, or in conflict with our own order or way of doing things or perception.

When we think of something as not-me, or "that over there", or a problem, we are illustrating that we are not it. Thus, there is conflict. We create the conflict when we work against ourselves when we think we are not everything in our perspective, you could say.
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bump. i love this thread.
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Neo, I have a question I've wondered about a long time. Chaol has said there are values in our perspective such as:

Sekhmet (He said she's waited 30,000 years)
Super Galatic Earthquake (He said it happened 1,000's of years ago but is a value in our current perspective)
He told me Edgar Cayce is a value in my perspective (just because I had heard of him and studied some of his stuff)

Anyway, how are things like the SG earthquake a value in my perspective when I didn't even know about it until about 2 years ago? Or Sekhmet, which I didn't know about until recently.

Does this mean the bible, the quoran, kaballah, alesiter crowley, terrorists, etc: all values in my perspective? And how do I end up with these values in my perspective?
 Quoting: U3

They are all represented in your perspective.

What isn't a value in your perspective through representation? But your examples are values because you have used their names, and have related them to something else.

But the utility comes in how relative those values are.

I am not sure how much of this I should speak but in one way, Thing X is a value in your perspective because Chaol has introduced it.

At least a few things have been made (much) more relative because he introduced it into perspective.

 Quoting: Chaol

Yes! And this is one reason I see him as separate from me. He has taught me things I had no idea about. He says he is playing chess. Everything he does is strategic. So, there are reasons for the things he introduces that I probably can't even guess at.


I'm not sure why you wouldn't speak of this, but you probably know something I don't know, too!
 Quoting: U3

Surely you had some idea, even indirectly, and could imagine it. Otherwise it would not avail itself in your perspective.

We can only perceive what we can imagine, even if we're not consciously aware of everything that we can possibly imagine.
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Good on you. Learn, Forrest, learn!

What would you have these tensions become?
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Thanks Chaol 2.0.

I find your experience inspiring and appreciate your posts. The implication, of course, would be that EC provides an "outside" logic by which a tree disappearing or a new room environment are probable.

Thank you. Just reading through your last few posts, sheds new light on how I've come to experience so much of my subjective weirdness and why its been so hard to convince those closest to me it's any more than hard work or coincidence. It's because from their perspective, that's exactly what it is.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ahhh.. the lovely power of coincidence.

Do you need to convince others (yourself)?

There's always more fun in the stew to go round.
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Chaol ole' chap,

Can you touch on specificity.

Let's say I want the lottery, so make a genius for a stranger giving me millions.

Is there a fail safe so that The stranger doesn't hit my mother with a car and offer me millions to not report it?

Any thoughts are appreciated.
 Quoting: Lok 39964291

If you make such an experience relative, then it is more likely.

However, the only fail-safe you need is the nature of your own Genius.

There are no demons lurking in your subconscious, waiting to trip you into the abyss. The "demons" are in the interpretation (or misinterpretation) of what is there.

Generally-speaking, if your mind does not actively plan, value, and consider such things then those things would not be introduced.

You could say, for simplicity, that your Genius has "good" intentions in mind simply because you would interpret its nature and actions as being "good". Or, more accurately, that which does not actively resist and thus has no need to consider the fruits of resistance (the shock of someone close to you being hurt, for example).
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Thank you for sharing your experience, NeoChaol. How exciting.

I would like to know why we separate this reality with the dream world? Some of us spend almost as much time there as here, anyway. Let's say 8 hours of sleep at night and 2 hours of meditation during the day....plus an hour a day in these threads....it adds up. And if you take a nap during the day or chill out listening to music, there's another hour or two.

So, when we do a Genius, what is the difference in deciding what's relative and the logical path to something in the Dream World?
 Quoting: U3

Are there parts of this reality that seem separate?

For example, talking and thinking?

Why, in this physical reality, do we share other kinds of realities? Some, like thinking, similar to our dreamworld?

Of the dreamworld there are other kinds of realities, also.

One kind of physicality (this one) is not separate from another kind (the dreamworld) but can been interpreted as being separate in the same way we can interpret our fingers to be separate when their essence is beyond fingerhood.
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Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

by influencing your reality.

The wheels are already in motion, simply by your previous response.

It's not something that I 'start' to do, just something that happens and I see happen.

The only way to not participate is, unfortunately, to not respond in this thread.

But of course I encourage you to continue exploring your perspective.

I hope to find a better way in future, but for now that is what it is.

Do you prefer your drink mixed, shaken, stirred, refilled, sipped, or replaced?
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks Chaol, enjoying your posts a lot!

Funny you mention drinks by the way, as my wife recently found out she does tolerate alcohol (for 10 years or so she thought she didn't). She kinda loosens up a bit which is cool.

So tonight we went shopping and I bought a 6pack of a drink I never heard of before earlier today, when I saw a friend mentioning it. It's a rum cola mix...

We came back and then I read this post of yours...

So my answer would be that I like my drinks mixed! ;)
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Mixed it is, then :)
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thanks Chaol 2.0.

I find your experience inspiring and appreciate your posts. The implication, of course, would be that EC provides an "outside" logic by which a tree disappearing or a new room environment are probable.

Thank you. Just reading through your last few posts, sheds new light on how I've come to experience so much of my subjective weirdness and why its been so hard to convince those closest to me it's any more than hard work or coincidence. It's because from their perspective, that's exactly what it is.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ahhh.. the lovely power of coincidence.

Do you need to convince others (yourself)?

There's always more fun in the stew to go round.
 Quoting: Chaol


Simple answer, no. (It would seem that) In discontinuing my "quest" to include everyone I want to tag along with me into the "next" chapter of my "story" of perspective, the resistance to the next chapter falls away. With a turn of a page I(everything "I" am, including the people represented as resistant) will find myself saturated in new story where there is no need to convince "anyone" of "anything" (or anything of anyone lol).

It also seems the more that I just sit back, watch and comment (or act) with what "comes to mind first" (not just on this thread), the more I "feel" I understand and the more I "know" I do not. (sorry if that doesn't make sense, I'm finding the words do not illustrate the experience with great accuracy, more or less wraps around it)

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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Chaol's teachings begin with some basic "assumptions" that help to understand what he's teaching.

I find it useful (now more than ever) to keep them in mind. He provided them in a gentle way on his website, calling them the "Code of Ecsys"

from: [link to web.archive.org]

For neuronic exercises there's the Code of Ecsys. By practicing one or more the following simple exercises every day you are learning how to remove physical constraints from your reality. Here's a summary of the Code:

House of Orbia
Respect the logic of others. Try to understand whatever you resist. Exercise 'unlogic' by asking yourself, “How could I be wrong?”


(This^ practice is the "unfocusing")

House of Kosmosis
Explore what is outside of your usual perspective. Do things you would not ordinarily do.


(This^ practice allows for "new" possibilities)

House of Chaos
Be honest with the people and things around you. The more transparent you are the more you are connecting with your perceptions.


(This^ practice takes care of the resistance and piggybacks on the "House of Orbia")

House of ThohT
Make your thoughts and desires physical in a small way. Symbolize your internal reality in your physical reality.


(This^ practice allows us to take advantage of the other practices by queuing up a desired perspective)

He was looking to provide us a simple nudge in the direction we wanted to go, gently introducing simple practices to accommodate a fertile ground for the more advanced concepts to grow.

"They" also naturally integrate the "genius". By doing some very simple groundwork, we find our minds easily "accept" that we're the center of it all. That we've limited ourselves (purposefully) and forgotten we had (purposefully).

Consider our Neo.Chaol. He's a "new" man, Old.Chaol has left the "building" and yet his "husk" remains, "speaking" with the same "voice", from the same "body". He seems just as curious, just as interested, just as inspired as Old.Chaol. He is a metaphor for you (me, we, them etc.). We all choose to forget when it's useful to do so. We're all making "space" for "new" ideas, "shedding" old ones. As our "previous" selves become "less" relevant to the perspective we've queued, we find "ourselves" have left "the building"(or the "old" building has "left" "ourselves" lol) yet our "husks" remain, "speaking" with the same "voice", from the same "bodies".

Not-Chaol says "Different, yet not different" (or something like that). I had found myself resistant to his non-specificity but... That's exactly what it is.

When Old.Neo.Chaol says he's a "destroyer of worlds", he means it as a screwdriver would say it's a "driver of screws". The screwdriver, drives no screws. It's the "tool" by which YOU drive them. :)

(I am not looking to imply that I know what I am talking about. Just wanted to share some recent "thoughts" as I see it.)

hf

(Thanks Old.Neo.Chaol)

Anyone else a huge Tool fan?


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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

As I mentioned a few days ago, when I first started to "feel the power" of whatever it is that I am and was experiencing when I first began to explore Ecsys, I was thinking about flying.

Flying is "cool" but it is not something our physical bodies find easy to do, nor our reality because of it.

Learning about the importance of the law of energy efficiency and how it relates to my perspective has led me to some rather unique experiences.

That is when I thought about why I wanted to do something like that. What would the purpose be in my reality if I could fly?

Because it was more interesting than useful, it is perspective-inefficient. Flying served no real purpose other than to satisfy a curiosity and perhaps making myself feel good in the process. If my reality found it efficient to fly instead of walk or use some other way of getting from one point to another then I would be able to fly.

But in the process of coming up with a flight plan, with Genius elements, I reminded myself of what I have learned. And that is our next experience is relative to surrounding experiences.

So instead of flying I thought about dematerialization and rematerialization (or 'teleporting' from one place to another). This is less interesting and perhaps more confusing than flying but it can probably be more useful to me and my experience.

I began to think of the most perspective-efficient way to get from where I am to someplace else. Really, from where I seem to be to someplace else.

The result? I have managed to teleport myself across the house.

I begin by selecting my starting and ending rooms and making both dark. I then place two identical objects outside of each room. In each room I have a different song playing at low volume. I carefully inspect the identical objects outside of the rooms carefully. Entering the first room I hear the music and close my eyes. I then imagine that the song changes to the song in the destination room, and the shape of the room changes to it. There is a giant sucking sound and a strange sense of physical vibration but after about a 40 seconds of this I find myself in the second room.

Over the past few days I have tried this again and again, and it usually results in what I can only refer to as teleportation. I have done everything but lock the destination door in an attempt to foil myself or catch myself in sleepwalking or some other trickery of perception. But I am now convinced that I can change my physical perspective in moments, simply by linking the two rooms.

I'm not sure why I experience a physical vibration but I do not think of it as de-materialization. It is an actual change of perspective, although slight because I have made the two rooms very relative to my perspective. During this time I am kind of convincing myself that the easiest way to get from one room to other other room is simply to be there. (Or, more to my thinking, to experience a transition of one room.)

It does not work when the lights are on or I don't have something to link the two rooms (identical objects or music). I have not yet discovered why but I am assuming it is because the values represent a kind of perspective wormhole linking the two spaces in my reality.

It does not work (yet) for locations outside of my home, though I have been experimenting.

My next post will talk a little more about this and explore how we can use this method for any kind of experience.
 Quoting: Chaol


I experience what feels like a physical vibration increasing in frequency over the course of a minute or so when entering a lucid dream or ooh state. I imagine it's our sudden unawareness of our "physical" bodies. When it pops, I'm "there".
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP

They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Or maybe it is a representation of that aspect of perspective that seeks to control, resist and manipulate changes to allow it's supporting structure to remain relevant? The "ego" parallel for our culture?

That's how I see it, religion, money etc..
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
 Quoting: Dreamily Resonant VIP

They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Or maybe it is a representation of that aspect of perspective that seeks to control, resist and manipulate changes to allow it's supporting structure to remain relevant? The "ego" parallel for our culture?

That's how I see it, religion, money etc..
 Quoting: MutantMessiah



I see it as that aspect of perspective that we don't want to admit is us. Chaol said it better....they do what we don't want to do.

Look what I just found......we do project....

[link to web.archive.org]

"The effect of extended consciousness from others is also observable. For example, you can get a sense for the kind of consciousness being projected onto you from someone else from your behaviour, thoughts, and mannerisms when you are near that person."

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