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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
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So, I read this that we are already...all of us...in the Dream World. If this is so, why do we still of dream of it? Or, I suppose, there are different stages of perceiving the dream world, so we still dream of it...until it is perceived?
 Quoting: U3

I suppose if a measurement was given to our state it would be "63%" in the dreamworld.

Yes, there are different stages so to speak. And different dreamworlds.

The universe is a wonderful representation of it ;)

There are dreams even in the dreamworld. Really, just different kinds of relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol





Thank you. So, if we are 63% in it, then physicality is more broken down than I realized.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
 Quoting: Chaol




What does that even mean?

Don't I manufacture perspective? So you are saying it's my nature to destroy?
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Sure. I have stomach pain that seems connected to certain foods if I consume them. I would like to make it irrelevant. Right now, when I feel the pain, I speak a mantra. I tried imagining playing jump rope with the pain, but that didn't work as well as the mantra. I've thought about consuming the foods, facing whatever symptoms pop up with the mantra but not sure if that's a good idea.
 Quoting: U3

The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
 Quoting: Chaol



Yes, it sounds like resistance. So what now? Change perspective?
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Thank you for sharing your experience, NeoChaol. How exciting.

I would like to know why we separate this reality with the dream world? Some of us spend almost as much time there as here, anyway. Let's say 8 hours of sleep at night and 2 hours of meditation during the day....plus an hour a day in these threads....it adds up. And if you take a nap during the day or chill out listening to music, there's another hour or two.

So, when we do a Genius, what is the difference in deciding what's relative and the logical path to something in the Dream World?
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Reposting....just making sure this doesn't get skipped. I've very interested in the answer, heh!
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

by influencing your reality.

The wheels are already in motion, simply by your previous response.

It's not something that I 'start' to do, just something that happens and I see happen.

The only way to not participate is, unfortunately, to not respond in this thread.

But of course I encourage you to continue exploring your perspective.

I hope to find a better way in future, but for now that is what it is.

Do you prefer your drink mixed, shaken, stirred, refilled, sipped, or replaced?
 Quoting: Chaol




So, Neo, I get a couple of impressions at this point. One being that we are moving on somewhat from Chaol's teachings? Is this correct? Iow, some of what he has taught is not as viable as it was when he taught it. They were specific and strategic for that period.

Additionally, from your statement above, re: helping us. Do you see, what I call "surgery" happening, either now or in the future.

Chaol did these type things and actually, they have happened to me over the years, anyway. I had no idea what they were about or who was deciding to do it, but I was always energized after.

Chaol always told us we have to walk over the bridge. That we have to do the work. I asked him why and he said because we wouldn't appreciate it if we didn't do the work ourselves. This indicates there are other ways to cross the bridge. And, since we are apx. 63% there, I just wondered what other changes in whatever the Chaol figure has in store for us, might take place. ;o)
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So, I read this that we are already...all of us...in the Dream World. If this is so, why do we still of dream of it? Or, I suppose, there are different stages of perceiving the dream world, so we still dream of it...until it is perceived?
 Quoting: U3

I suppose if a measurement was given to our state it would be "63%" in the dreamworld.

Yes, there are different stages so to speak. And different dreamworlds.

The universe is a wonderful representation of it ;)

There are dreams even in the dreamworld. Really, just different kinds of relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol

Thank you. So, if we are 63% in it, then physicality is more broken down than I realized.
 Quoting: U3

The dreamworld is a different kind of physicality. But yes, this physical reality is breaking down.

One could even say that our usual type of physicality is an aspect of the dreamworld.
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Even if the Chaol seed withers, he has said he will always find a way to communicate with us. I feel I have seen him throughout my life but just not in this particular representation. I guess he represents the part of me that wants the best for me.
 Quoting: U3

The "best" for the you that looks in the mirror or the best for your Genius? ;)

Chaol's only 'goal' if ever there was one, is to give you the tools to destroy your reality.

Not change, as it implies comfort and something that still clings to the old.

But "obliteration".

It is the nature of perspective to continuously destroy itself. It is "nothing" after all.
 Quoting: Chaol


What does that even mean?
 Quoting: U3


"Something" is a trial at illustrating "nothing".

So something is based on nothing.

Perspective and unperspective is this process of existence.

In order for one thing to "be", you must forget what you are to "become" it.

This destruction is another way of forgetting everything and starting anew.

With it, the illusion manifests existence.

Don't I manufacture perspective? So you are saying it's my nature to destroy?
 Quoting: U3


You are perspective.

And it is your nature to 'breathe' perspective.

To breathe (inhale) and unbreathe (exhale) you are able to live.

Through perspective (creation) and unperspective (destruction) you are able to exist.
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The best magic is not that which goes poof! but that which works within the reality we have fashioned but still makes us exclaim "of course!".

And sometimes the best way for a wizard to appear across town is simply to walk there. And when the time comes where it makes sense to, to appear there instantly.

Wouldn't it require less energy to just stop eating what gives you pain?

You may see resistance as not eating the food, when it may actually be that you are resisting your physical nature by consuming the food.

Perhaps there is something else you're not considering?
 Quoting: Chaol




I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, it sounds like resistance. So what now? Change perspective?
 Quoting: U3


Changing perspective is what happens naturally (seems to happen). There is nothing that must be done.

I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm saying that one action is no more valuable that another action. Any action may seem to result in experiences that are relative to it (considering other things around it, too).

But new perspectives may come from a realization that everything in your perspective is you.

Why are the challenges there? It's just one of the endless ways we divide our perspective.

When you ask, "How can I become another person and think new thoughts" do you realize you are already that person and thinking those thoughts?

There is no need to become what you already are.

But this is all nonsense. Practically-speaking, you can get to where you want by making it more relative.

Are they challenges or are they parts of who you are? Why conquer yourself? Why solve yourself?

As you know, you can accept these problems or challenges in order to change the relationship and the experience.

The problems are the result of resistance being illustrated. They are not inherently problems, they are chaos (an order we do not understand). We interpret some as problems, or in conflict with our own order or way of doing things or perception.

When we think of something as not-me, or "that over there", or a problem, we are illustrating that we are not it. Thus, there is conflict. We create the conflict when we work against ourselves when we think we are not everything in our perspective, you could say.
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bump. i love this thread.
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Neo, I have a question I've wondered about a long time. Chaol has said there are values in our perspective such as:

Sekhmet (He said she's waited 30,000 years)
Super Galatic Earthquake (He said it happened 1,000's of years ago but is a value in our current perspective)
He told me Edgar Cayce is a value in my perspective (just because I had heard of him and studied some of his stuff)

Anyway, how are things like the SG earthquake a value in my perspective when I didn't even know about it until about 2 years ago? Or Sekhmet, which I didn't know about until recently.

Does this mean the bible, the quoran, kaballah, alesiter crowley, terrorists, etc: all values in my perspective? And how do I end up with these values in my perspective?
 Quoting: U3

They are all represented in your perspective.

What isn't a value in your perspective through representation? But your examples are values because you have used their names, and have related them to something else.

But the utility comes in how relative those values are.

I am not sure how much of this I should speak but in one way, Thing X is a value in your perspective because Chaol has introduced it.

At least a few things have been made (much) more relative because he introduced it into perspective.

 Quoting: Chaol

Yes! And this is one reason I see him as separate from me. He has taught me things I had no idea about. He says he is playing chess. Everything he does is strategic. So, there are reasons for the things he introduces that I probably can't even guess at.


I'm not sure why you wouldn't speak of this, but you probably know something I don't know, too!
 Quoting: U3

Surely you had some idea, even indirectly, and could imagine it. Otherwise it would not avail itself in your perspective.

We can only perceive what we can imagine, even if we're not consciously aware of everything that we can possibly imagine.
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Well I held in mind to do things I would not normally do.

So a few nights before I dreamt I took up getting a Phd degree (which hypothetically I could, having a masters degree, which I got some 20 years ago). The night after that I dreamt living in my student's apartment again, fully aware that I am a lot older now.

That's when it struck me I never did anything with my study again since graduating; now I have started teaching myself again. I don't know how long I will keep being motivated, but it's a start.

Tensions at home are very high, no fun.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

Good on you. Learn, Forrest, learn!

What would you have these tensions become?
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Thanks Chaol 2.0.

I find your experience inspiring and appreciate your posts. The implication, of course, would be that EC provides an "outside" logic by which a tree disappearing or a new room environment are probable.

Thank you. Just reading through your last few posts, sheds new light on how I've come to experience so much of my subjective weirdness and why its been so hard to convince those closest to me it's any more than hard work or coincidence. It's because from their perspective, that's exactly what it is.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ahhh.. the lovely power of coincidence.

Do you need to convince others (yourself)?

There's always more fun in the stew to go round.
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Chaol ole' chap,

Can you touch on specificity.

Let's say I want the lottery, so make a genius for a stranger giving me millions.

Is there a fail safe so that The stranger doesn't hit my mother with a car and offer me millions to not report it?

Any thoughts are appreciated.
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If you make such an experience relative, then it is more likely.

However, the only fail-safe you need is the nature of your own Genius.

There are no demons lurking in your subconscious, waiting to trip you into the abyss. The "demons" are in the interpretation (or misinterpretation) of what is there.

Generally-speaking, if your mind does not actively plan, value, and consider such things then those things would not be introduced.

You could say, for simplicity, that your Genius has "good" intentions in mind simply because you would interpret its nature and actions as being "good". Or, more accurately, that which does not actively resist and thus has no need to consider the fruits of resistance (the shock of someone close to you being hurt, for example).
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Thank you for sharing your experience, NeoChaol. How exciting.

I would like to know why we separate this reality with the dream world? Some of us spend almost as much time there as here, anyway. Let's say 8 hours of sleep at night and 2 hours of meditation during the day....plus an hour a day in these threads....it adds up. And if you take a nap during the day or chill out listening to music, there's another hour or two.

So, when we do a Genius, what is the difference in deciding what's relative and the logical path to something in the Dream World?
 Quoting: U3

Are there parts of this reality that seem separate?

For example, talking and thinking?

Why, in this physical reality, do we share other kinds of realities? Some, like thinking, similar to our dreamworld?

Of the dreamworld there are other kinds of realities, also.

One kind of physicality (this one) is not separate from another kind (the dreamworld) but can been interpreted as being separate in the same way we can interpret our fingers to be separate when their essence is beyond fingerhood.
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Would you prefer a different experience?

Perhaps I can be of service.
 Quoting: Chaol


Very much!
I am curious as to how you could be of service.
 Quoting: tuuuuur

by influencing your reality.

The wheels are already in motion, simply by your previous response.

It's not something that I 'start' to do, just something that happens and I see happen.

The only way to not participate is, unfortunately, to not respond in this thread.

But of course I encourage you to continue exploring your perspective.

I hope to find a better way in future, but for now that is what it is.

Do you prefer your drink mixed, shaken, stirred, refilled, sipped, or replaced?
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks Chaol, enjoying your posts a lot!

Funny you mention drinks by the way, as my wife recently found out she does tolerate alcohol (for 10 years or so she thought she didn't). She kinda loosens up a bit which is cool.

So tonight we went shopping and I bought a 6pack of a drink I never heard of before earlier today, when I saw a friend mentioning it. It's a rum cola mix...

We came back and then I read this post of yours...

So my answer would be that I like my drinks mixed! ;)
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Mixed it is, then :)
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Thanks Chaol 2.0.

I find your experience inspiring and appreciate your posts. The implication, of course, would be that EC provides an "outside" logic by which a tree disappearing or a new room environment are probable.

Thank you. Just reading through your last few posts, sheds new light on how I've come to experience so much of my subjective weirdness and why its been so hard to convince those closest to me it's any more than hard work or coincidence. It's because from their perspective, that's exactly what it is.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ahhh.. the lovely power of coincidence.

Do you need to convince others (yourself)?

There's always more fun in the stew to go round.
 Quoting: Chaol


Simple answer, no. (It would seem that) In discontinuing my "quest" to include everyone I want to tag along with me into the "next" chapter of my "story" of perspective, the resistance to the next chapter falls away. With a turn of a page I(everything "I" am, including the people represented as resistant) will find myself saturated in new story where there is no need to convince "anyone" of "anything" (or anything of anyone lol).

It also seems the more that I just sit back, watch and comment (or act) with what "comes to mind first" (not just on this thread), the more I "feel" I understand and the more I "know" I do not. (sorry if that doesn't make sense, I'm finding the words do not illustrate the experience with great accuracy, more or less wraps around it)

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Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 06/19/2013 08:12 AM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Chaol's teachings begin with some basic "assumptions" that help to understand what he's teaching.

I find it useful (now more than ever) to keep them in mind. He provided them in a gentle way on his website, calling them the "Code of Ecsys"

from: [link to web.archive.org]

For neuronic exercises there's the Code of Ecsys. By practicing one or more the following simple exercises every day you are learning how to remove physical constraints from your reality. Here's a summary of the Code:

House of Orbia
Respect the logic of others. Try to understand whatever you resist. Exercise 'unlogic' by asking yourself, “How could I be wrong?”


(This^ practice is the "unfocusing")

House of Kosmosis
Explore what is outside of your usual perspective. Do things you would not ordinarily do.


(This^ practice allows for "new" possibilities)

House of Chaos
Be honest with the people and things around you. The more transparent you are the more you are connecting with your perceptions.


(This^ practice takes care of the resistance and piggybacks on the "House of Orbia")

House of ThohT
Make your thoughts and desires physical in a small way. Symbolize your internal reality in your physical reality.


(This^ practice allows us to take advantage of the other practices by queuing up a desired perspective)

He was looking to provide us a simple nudge in the direction we wanted to go, gently introducing simple practices to accommodate a fertile ground for the more advanced concepts to grow.

"They" also naturally integrate the "genius". By doing some very simple groundwork, we find our minds easily "accept" that we're the center of it all. That we've limited ourselves (purposefully) and forgotten we had (purposefully).

Consider our Neo.Chaol. He's a "new" man, Old.Chaol has left the "building" and yet his "husk" remains, "speaking" with the same "voice", from the same "body". He seems just as curious, just as interested, just as inspired as Old.Chaol. He is a metaphor for you (me, we, them etc.). We all choose to forget when it's useful to do so. We're all making "space" for "new" ideas, "shedding" old ones. As our "previous" selves become "less" relevant to the perspective we've queued, we find "ourselves" have left "the building"(or the "old" building has "left" "ourselves" lol) yet our "husks" remain, "speaking" with the same "voice", from the same "bodies".

Not-Chaol says "Different, yet not different" (or something like that). I had found myself resistant to his non-specificity but... That's exactly what it is.

When Old.Neo.Chaol says he's a "destroyer of worlds", he means it as a screwdriver would say it's a "driver of screws". The screwdriver, drives no screws. It's the "tool" by which YOU drive them. :)

(I am not looking to imply that I know what I am talking about. Just wanted to share some recent "thoughts" as I see it.)

hf

(Thanks Old.Neo.Chaol)

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Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 06/19/2013 08:55 AM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

As I mentioned a few days ago, when I first started to "feel the power" of whatever it is that I am and was experiencing when I first began to explore Ecsys, I was thinking about flying.

Flying is "cool" but it is not something our physical bodies find easy to do, nor our reality because of it.

Learning about the importance of the law of energy efficiency and how it relates to my perspective has led me to some rather unique experiences.

That is when I thought about why I wanted to do something like that. What would the purpose be in my reality if I could fly?

Because it was more interesting than useful, it is perspective-inefficient. Flying served no real purpose other than to satisfy a curiosity and perhaps making myself feel good in the process. If my reality found it efficient to fly instead of walk or use some other way of getting from one point to another then I would be able to fly.

But in the process of coming up with a flight plan, with Genius elements, I reminded myself of what I have learned. And that is our next experience is relative to surrounding experiences.

So instead of flying I thought about dematerialization and rematerialization (or 'teleporting' from one place to another). This is less interesting and perhaps more confusing than flying but it can probably be more useful to me and my experience.

I began to think of the most perspective-efficient way to get from where I am to someplace else. Really, from where I seem to be to someplace else.

The result? I have managed to teleport myself across the house.

I begin by selecting my starting and ending rooms and making both dark. I then place two identical objects outside of each room. In each room I have a different song playing at low volume. I carefully inspect the identical objects outside of the rooms carefully. Entering the first room I hear the music and close my eyes. I then imagine that the song changes to the song in the destination room, and the shape of the room changes to it. There is a giant sucking sound and a strange sense of physical vibration but after about a 40 seconds of this I find myself in the second room.

Over the past few days I have tried this again and again, and it usually results in what I can only refer to as teleportation. I have done everything but lock the destination door in an attempt to foil myself or catch myself in sleepwalking or some other trickery of perception. But I am now convinced that I can change my physical perspective in moments, simply by linking the two rooms.

I'm not sure why I experience a physical vibration but I do not think of it as de-materialization. It is an actual change of perspective, although slight because I have made the two rooms very relative to my perspective. During this time I am kind of convincing myself that the easiest way to get from one room to other other room is simply to be there. (Or, more to my thinking, to experience a transition of one room.)

It does not work when the lights are on or I don't have something to link the two rooms (identical objects or music). I have not yet discovered why but I am assuming it is because the values represent a kind of perspective wormhole linking the two spaces in my reality.

It does not work (yet) for locations outside of my home, though I have been experimenting.

My next post will talk a little more about this and explore how we can use this method for any kind of experience.
 Quoting: Chaol


I experience what feels like a physical vibration increasing in frequency over the course of a minute or so when entering a lucid dream or ooh state. I imagine it's our sudden unawareness of our "physical" bodies. When it pops, I'm "there".
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
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Or maybe it is a representation of that aspect of perspective that seeks to control, resist and manipulate changes to allow it's supporting structure to remain relevant? The "ego" parallel for our culture?

That's how I see it, religion, money etc..
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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i believe nsa uses its ability to predict thoughts to communicate with us trough internet and media.
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They are really not so advanced, but "they" would like you to think that so that you inhibit yourself.

Fear is their form of control.
 Quoting: Chaol


"They" in quotes, of course, since there is no they. Are we sure it's about fear and control?

Here's another idea: maybe NSA etc is there because our ancient ancestors collected all this data& videos, and used it to create a simulated reality, which we exist in?
 Quoting: VersionTwo


Or maybe it is a representation of that aspect of perspective that seeks to control, resist and manipulate changes to allow it's supporting structure to remain relevant? The "ego" parallel for our culture?

That's how I see it, religion, money etc..
 Quoting: MutantMessiah



I see it as that aspect of perspective that we don't want to admit is us. Chaol said it better....they do what we don't want to do.

Look what I just found......we do project....

[link to web.archive.org]

"The effect of extended consciousness from others is also observable. For example, you can get a sense for the kind of consciousness being projected onto you from someone else from your behaviour, thoughts, and mannerisms when you are near that person."

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Discovering the Most Efficient Way to Shape your Reality: Part 1

As I mentioned a few days ago, when I first started to "feel the power" of whatever it is that I am and was experiencing when I first began to explore Ecsys, I was thinking about flying.

Flying is "cool" but it is not something our physical bodies find easy to do, nor our reality because of it.

Learning about the importance of the law of energy efficiency and how it relates to my perspective has led me to some rather unique experiences.

That is when I thought about why I wanted to do something like that. What would the purpose be in my reality if I could fly?

Because it was more interesting than useful, it is perspective-inefficient. Flying served no real purpose other than to satisfy a curiosity and perhaps making myself feel good in the process. If my reality found it efficient to fly instead of walk or use some other way of getting from one point to another then I would be able to fly.

But in the process of coming up with a flight plan, with Genius elements, I reminded myself of what I have learned. And that is our next experience is relative to surrounding experiences.

So instead of flying I thought about dematerialization and rematerialization (or 'teleporting' from one place to another). This is less interesting and perhaps more confusing than flying but it can probably be more useful to me and my experience.

I began to think of the most perspective-efficient way to get from where I am to someplace else. Really, from where I seem to be to someplace else.

The result? I have managed to teleport myself across the house.

I begin by selecting my starting and ending rooms and making both dark. I then place two identical objects outside of each room. In each room I have a different song playing at low volume. I carefully inspect the identical objects outside of the rooms carefully. Entering the first room I hear the music and close my eyes. I then imagine that the song changes to the song in the destination room, and the shape of the room changes to it. There is a giant sucking sound and a strange sense of physical vibration but after about a 40 seconds of this I find myself in the second room.

Over the past few days I have tried this again and again, and it usually results in what I can only refer to as teleportation. I have done everything but lock the destination door in an attempt to foil myself or catch myself in sleepwalking or some other trickery of perception. But I am now convinced that I can change my physical perspective in moments, simply by linking the two rooms.

I'm not sure why I experience a physical vibration but I do not think of it as de-materialization. It is an actual change of perspective, although slight because I have made the two rooms very relative to my perspective. During this time I am kind of convincing myself that the easiest way to get from one room to other other room is simply to be there. (Or, more to my thinking, to experience a transition of one room.)

It does not work when the lights are on or I don't have something to link the two rooms (identical objects or music). I have not yet discovered why but I am assuming it is because the values represent a kind of perspective wormhole linking the two spaces in my reality.

It does not work (yet) for locations outside of my home, though I have been experimenting.

My next post will talk a little more about this and explore how we can use this method for any kind of experience.
 Quoting: Chaol


I experience what feels like a physical vibration increasing in frequency over the course of a minute or so when entering a lucid dream or ooh state. I imagine it's our sudden unawareness of our "physical" bodies. When it pops, I'm "there".
 Quoting: MutantMessiah




Remember Chaol reminded us of the movie, Inception? And that just before physicality fell, there was music...or shall we say noise? It hasn't been that long since people around the world were reporting strange noises.
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Chaol's teachings begin with some basic "assumptions" that help to understand what he's teaching.

I find it useful (now more than ever) to keep them in mind. He provided them in a gentle way on his website, calling them the "Code of Ecsys"

from: [link to web.archive.org]

For neuronic exercises there's the Code of Ecsys. By practicing one or more the following simple exercises every day you are learning how to remove physical constraints from your reality. Here's a summary of the Code:

House of Orbia
Respect the logic of others. Try to understand whatever you resist. Exercise 'unlogic' by asking yourself, “How could I be wrong?”


(This^ practice is the "unfocusing")

House of Kosmosis
Explore what is outside of your usual perspective. Do things you would not ordinarily do.


(This^ practice allows for "new" possibilities)

House of Chaos
Be honest with the people and things around you. The more transparent you are the more you are connecting with your perceptions.


(This^ practice takes care of the resistance and piggybacks on the "House of Orbia")

House of ThohT
Make your thoughts and desires physical in a small way. Symbolize your internal reality in your physical reality.


(This^ practice allows us to take advantage of the other practices by queuing up a desired perspective)

He was looking to provide us a simple nudge in the direction we wanted to go, gently introducing simple practices to accommodate a fertile ground for the more advanced concepts to grow.

 Quoting: MutantMessiah




This is going in my blog, MM. Thank you.

So I guess we are always a metaphor for who we have ever perceived ourselves to be and who we are continuously morphing into?

And if Not-Chaol opens up, I think we will all learn a lot. I'll work on that part of my perspective, heh!

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Thank you for sharing your experience, NeoChaol. How exciting.

I would like to know why we separate this reality with the dream world? Some of us spend almost as much time there as here, anyway. Let's say 8 hours of sleep at night and 2 hours of meditation during the day....plus an hour a day in these threads....it adds up. And if you take a nap during the day or chill out listening to music, there's another hour or two.

So, when we do a Genius, what is the difference in deciding what's relative and the logical path to something in the Dream World?
 Quoting: U3

Are there parts of this reality that seem separate?

For example, talking and thinking?

Why, in this physical reality, do we share other kinds of realities? Some, like thinking, similar to our dreamworld?

Of the dreamworld there are other kinds of realities, also.

One kind of physicality (this one) is not separate from another kind (the dreamworld) but can been interpreted as being separate in the same way we can interpret our fingers to be separate when their essence is beyond fingerhood.
 Quoting: Chaol




Okay, then why did you say it's not as relevant for us to fly in this reality? What I'm trying to get at is we live within shifting worlds all the time. Why can't we make it logical to do things in one world that we do in another? Is it just the separation we accept that makes the difference?

Btw, a few days ago, several of us were talking about our toilets on this thread, lol! Just thought I'd let you know, I fixed mine. I wanted to test it several days before saying anything!
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bump. i love this thread.
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You made me smile. I love this thread, too! ;o)
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I think that's probably closer. ^^^^^^^ For example, I don't think I really want to be here. I couldn't eat for the first month of my birth. And there are other things that from observation, would make this my conclusion.

The trouble with not eating certain foods that seem to start the pain is, in many cases, it's inconsistent. I can eat something one day and not the next. The things that are consistent means I have to read labels, question waiters if I go out to eat.....it's a constantly having my mind on food.

How can I become another person and think new thoughts if I always have to be aware of these challenges?
 Quoting: U3


There is often a gap, particular in our human lives, between what we want or think we want, and what is relative to us.

Being here may not be what you want, but surely it relates to you somehow (your logic, your existence, your purpose, or whatever it may be called)

You don't need to become another person and think new thoughts. You are everywhere and every person you need to be, right now.

Are they challenges, or parts of your reality? (Parts of you)

It sounds a bit like resistance. What do you think?
 Quoting: Chaol

Yes, it sounds like resistance. So what now? Change perspective?
 Quoting: U3


Changing perspective is what happens naturally (seems to happen). There is nothing that must be done.

I'm not suggesting we do nothing. I'm saying that one action is no more valuable that another action. Any action may seem to result in experiences that are relative to it (considering other things around it, too).

But new perspectives may come from a realization that everything in your perspective is you.

Why are the challenges there? It's just one of the endless ways we divide our perspective.

When you ask, "How can I become another person and think new thoughts" do you realize you are already that person and thinking those thoughts?

There is no need to become what you already are.

But this is all nonsense. Practically-speaking, you can get to where you want by making it more relative.

Are they challenges or are they parts of who you are? Why conquer yourself? Why solve yourself?

As you know, you can accept these problems or challenges in order to change the relationship and the experience.

The problems are the result of resistance being illustrated. They are not inherently problems, they are chaos (an order we do not understand). We interpret some as problems, or in conflict with our own order or way of doing things or perception.

When we think of something as not-me, or "that over there", or a problem, we are illustrating that we are not it. Thus, there is conflict. We create the conflict when we work against ourselves when we think we are not everything in our perspective, you could say.
 Quoting: Chaol




I am trying to make the new perspective more relative. I'll get it eventually, lol! I did find that by relaxing, I'm able to find another space, without the challenge. I'm basically chopping away at it, little by little. Thanks for going into this with me.

Btw, Chaol said that the Genius won't work unless we think new thoughts and become someone else. That's why he told us to do things like copy the next animal you see and things like that.

It seems the underlying "lesson" is to continuously expand
perspective...to carve out perspectives within chaos.
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Some top notch Chaol in this old version of the ecsys.org site:
[link to web.archive.org]


Missing the graphics unless Neo.Chaol still has them archived but it's good stuff (Chaol, please, if I've overstepped and posted too much lemme know, this stuff isn't "live" on line anymore and deserves to be consumed)

The following is all from the (NOW NONEXISTENT page "Ecsys Questions and Answers: Consciousness and Reality"
from: [link to web.archive.org]

What Is Perception?

The most fundamental force of the universe is neither physical nor quantum. It is consciousness. Consciousness is perspective.

The way our consciousness works also has a lot to do with how we perceive things. Our traditional 5 senses as well as our sense of time, space, and thought are rooted in a kind of forgetfulness. We forget how we sense anything. What is truly interesting about representations is that we quite often mistake an object or thing with its representaiton and forget that we did just that. This "forgetfulness" is rooted in the brain's deeper cognitive processes.

When we see a sunset we are not aware of the complex neural processes involved in creating the sensory experience. To be aware of the process is to be aware of overloaded, fragmented, and pretty much sunset-less noise. That all these stimuli are representations of "sunset" escapes us. We have no choice but to mistake the map for the territory. It all seems real because we have no choice. We cannot 'see' beyond our own perspective.

Take a look at the graphic on the right. Looking between the black squares you see a circle. The circle you're looking at is white. However, the circles you're not looking at are off-white, grey, or black depending on how far they are from the one you're looking at. So what color is the circle? (Answer: there is no circle. There is only an ever-changing relationship between representations. Sometimes it appears white, sometimes it doesn't.)

It's not something else that changes. It is your perspective that changes. (There is only you, re-member?) When your perspective changes then your relationship with everything else also changes. From these changing relationships we get a sense of time, space, and physical change.

Physical change is simply a representation of changing relationships that follows a certain pattern. We've experienced this pattern since we were babies so we call it "physicality". Though physicality is only an illusion, it is no more or less real than your thoughts are. The only thing "real" is the representation's immediacy to our senses (making it seem real). If we were using a different method to perceive then the things we see using that method would seem more real to us than anything else. We place so much importance on just one of our senses (sight) that we forget a guitar can be represented in a myraid of other ways, only a few of which can be perceived with our other senses. The reality we create is based on our perspective. When we say we walked around the table we're not talking about deflecting its electromagnetic energy into II-tubes. However, we could choose how or why to interact with the table because of our perception of those non-visual relationships.

This multi-worlds phenomena presents a kind of paradox. Something can either be true, or it can be perceived. It cannot be both. We can be aware of something but not be aware of the truth of what it is. When the totality of something cannot be grasped in our perception, it appears infinite (such is your reality, seemingly infinite in every direction).

Our mind creates representation to expand perception (increase consciousness). For example, the words we use for something affects how we perceive it. 47 words for snow*** allow Eskimos to perceive distinctions in snow that most English speakers cannot. We use language (a representation) to create physically-based perceptions. The representations change how we perceive. (Another representation, the physical brain, also affects how we perceive.) Using specific metaphors allow for specific perceptions.

Representations are how we remember, perceive, and think.

A perceives B in a context relative to the AB perspective. The nature of what you perceive affects how you perceive it. Your perception of a beam of light, for example, is very physically-based. That same beam of light may manifest in your dream as a sound or another representation. Contrariwise, the beam of light would not "perceive" your physical representation if it were shining on you. Your body would be something else to it much the same way other entities manifest as clouds in your experience.

We can observe photons of light in space where no real space exists (nor photons, until we perceive them and the need for the representation to manifest arises). The "space" is simply an illustration of gravitational attraction and repulsion. All internal phenomena. Two objects next to one-another may be physically close (say, in perspective A) but not psychologically (in perspective B). In perspective B the two objects may be as distant as stars. A star may be distant from us from one perspective (requiring much physical fuel) but very close from another perspective (requiring no fuel).

You could never perceive the sun as it truly exists right now. The apparent light from it is several minutes old, taking "time" to travel through "space". But it is not physical distance that ages the light. Rather, this "8 minute" variable illustrates how attracted the representation is to us. If the representation were more physically relative it would be perceived as being physically closer. There is a representation that is much closer to our perspective and that is, of course, our bodies. But of this, too, we are not able to perceive it as it is "now". Light also takes some time (albeit a very, very short amount of time) to get from our toes or arms. We can never see ourselves as we are Now. We are always experiencing an illusion of ourselves. A representation.

Thus, the act of perception is like looking into the void and measuring it. This of course cannot actually be done but we try to do it anyway. This creates representations of the void (or so we think) that we can then interact with. [Ecsys-speak on the right.]

Something's perspective is its relationships with everything else. The meaning of something is in its perspective, not in how it is perceived by another.

[***Note: The Eskimo language actually takes what would be for us be under-utilized phrases for snow and represents those phrases with singular concepts, or nouns, that are not had in English. The representation of a concept makes all the difference in the perception of it.]

And:

How Do My Thoughts Become Reality?

Ecsys holds that you do not think your thoughts but perceive them. (You choose to perceive them, if you will.) Thoughts are sensations, like smells or visual stimuli. It's kind of like drinking milk with your eyes closed. Everything in your environment says that you will perceive the sensation of milk in your mouth. Similarly, everything in your perspective enables you to perceive exactly the next thought you will have. Your thoughts are the result of the relationships in your perspective. Test it out for yourself by observing a change in thought as your perspective changes. (This doesn't mean that your thoughts are dependent on external variables and you have no control. You are your external variables because they exist only in your perspective.)

Along with our traditional 5 senses we have a sense of thought. We internalize "distant" stimuli or relationships and make it a relative part of our experience. Distant thoughts are like smells you no longer smell because your environment does not dictate the perception of them. A thought is another kind of representation.

Similar representations tend to group together and become realms of consciousness and experience. The closer a representation is to a grouping the more powerful is the realm's affect. (From the graphic to the right, an "emotional" representation can become more attracted to the physical realm and take on physical properties. A physical representation can be attracted to —or repelled by— the microbial realm and take on —or discard— microbial properties, etc.)

But what does that mean for us?

Imagine a distant object as a thought which has not taken on physical attributes and a near object as that which is relative to our physicality. You could say that the distant object is indeed a physical thing. In theory that would be true. It is not really, however, in your physical realm of experience and is to your perspective somewhere between physical and not-physical. (The moment you begin to observe it to prove it is physical is the moment at which you bring it closer to your physical experience. And so then it becomes more physically real. Touch it and it will become even more physically real. This is why no kind of particle is the most fundamental element of creation. They're not there until we need to perceive that particular representation. Perspective is the fundamental element.)

Thoughts take on physical form as the thought is expressed more physically, changing your perception of it. Bring the thought into your physical experience and you will experience it physically. This could be as simple as drawing a picture of the house you want instead of just desiring it. You are physicalizing the thought, re-representing it.

Reality does not have 3 dimensions or 20. It has one: perception. When you re-create a thought physically you are introducing attractive and repulsive forces to it. The physicalization of the thought may mean that it can build stronger connections with other things in your experience (attraction) or has less of a need to manifest emotionally (repulsion).

What we think of as motion is not something moving by itself, but the relationship of something changing with its environment. There is no physical movement through space at all. You do not move from point A to point B. You simply shift awareness from A-ness to B-ness. There is no motion in space because space exists only in the 1 dimension of perception. (The futility of imposing an abstract concept, the 1st dimension, onto physical space notwithstanding.) "Motion" is you changing your perspective, not moving through three dimensions.

What we think of as "now" is not something that we have never experienced before. It is a kind of space that exists between our structuring and unstructuring of perspective. Past and future are as much 'in the now' as we think 'now' to be. For example, if you recall a memory from 10 years ago is that a past memory or a present one? Are you able to import the past memory completely unaffected by your current perspective? Are you actually creating it anew? When something is more structured (and has less potential energy) we think of it as Past. When something is less structured (and has more potential energy) we think of it as Future. If we provide structure to a "future" thing we will seem to experience it in our Present before it seems to go to the Past.

Consciousness triggers manifestation. If a non-physical thing becomes related to our physical experience, then we will experience it physically. When representations are interacted and associated with more, you are more likely to experience it in space/time.

Your dreams can become physical reality simply by interacting with their representations more.

And:

Dreams: You In Another Reality

All of the trappings of physicality can be experienced in your dream state. We may think of our waking state is persistent and our dream state as chaotic, but that is not the case.

A table may appear "solid" to us but most of the table is actually non-physical. There is about as much space between its particles as there is space between heavenly bodies (proportionally).

Our physical experience is like the graphic on the right. With our physical senses we sense only physically-based experiences. Thinking back, we remember only those experiences that are relative to the apparatus we are using to remember. Our physically-based mind does not show us the other realities in which we exist, or the other perspectives we are partaking in at this very moment.

We continue to experience physicality when we are dreaming. When we awaken from our dreams we do not cease to exist in our dreams. We are still dreaming. Our dream state never stops. It is only our perspective that changes.

The particles that compose your body are not static. They are in constant "motion" between other perspectives and time-experiences. In a similar way, neither is your dream reality static. In between those physical moments we are processing our waking life in our other states of mind. We also process our dream experience in our waking state. Our dream life is so intertwined with our waking life, it could be said there is little difference between the two experiences. Both states are persistent and have a "solid" reality. The atoms and molecules that make up our physical world also make up our dream world. We are just as physical in the dream world as we are in the waking world. Which is to say, not much at all.

Using your brain to recall something your brain does not experience doesn't work, however. Its "memories" are very heavily influenced by physical reality. You will project the structures of the waking world when trying to perceive the dream world. Dreams make plenty of sense when you're experiencing them, but not when you project unfitting representations onto them upon awakening.

During wakefulness we sometimes receive dream stimulus. But we are sure to make this stimulus a part of waking reality in order to ensure continued wakefulness (and perhaps sanity). We interpret this dream stimulus as sudden knowledge, déjà vu, intuition, etc., in waking experience. It is similar to how you will probably incorporate a loud sound that happens in your room into your dream experience if you are dreaming, in order to ensure continued sleep. (The interconnectedness of waking and dreaming states can be observed by paying attention to the events in the dream right before the sound occured. For example, how did your dream state know there was going to be a sound?)

Sometimes the sounds in our room penetrate more easily into our dream reality. Conversely, sometimes we are awake and experience strange phenomena like see ghostly forms, hear voices, or do extraordinary creative works or physical feats.

We simultaneously experience all states of mind (beta, theta, etc.) but each is aware of its own and, to some degree, others like a focused light shining in a particular section of a dark room while other sections continue to exist and function (and may be partially illuminated from your perspective).

Imagine spacetime as your tongue with 6 areas. Instead of bitter, salty, sour, etc., you have physical, ultraphysical, metaphysical, conscious, sub-conscious, dream-aware. Each physical experience actually exists in the 5 other domains simultaneously (but may not be simultaneous from a different point of reference). But there is no need to know about those 5 others because it has already been translated into your experience. The apple has but one taste interpreted several different ways.

An experience that occurs in one domain is translated into another domain. For example, your physical experiences are translated into dream experiences and vice-versa. But it could be that a dream experience you will have tonight is occurring "simultaneously" with a physical experience 5 years from now.

When you are dreaming your dream world appears as "reality". When you are awake your waking world appears as "realty". Consciousness is interaction. And interactions are just as real in one as they are in another.

AND:

The Nature of Time

Time is a narrative illusion that we make for ourselves in order to make particular sense of something that cannot be perceived. Spacetime is the algorithm of our physical experience.

If you observe three clocks on a table for several minutes and each keeps the same time as the others, down to the second, it cannot be said that each clock has the same "experience" of time. Imagine that instead of three clocks we have three sleeping persons whose biological clocks are 'set' to rise at 6am each morning. Observing each for several hours until approximately 6am we see that each person awoke within minutes of one-another. However, we cannot say that one of those persons did not experience an extra few hours (or days) from their perspective. However, from our perspective each person (and each clock) has their time synchronized.

In a more obvious example, two people can live exactly the same amount of time yet have a completely different experience of time. But scientists would say that these two persons experienced time the same (especially if they were always next to one-another). In time experiments scientists look at only the most obvious example of a difference in two clocks placed far apart because the same cognitive process used to perceive the spacing of the clocks is used to perceive the time on the clocks (or vibrations in them). You cannot use the same cognitive tool for both your control clock and your experimental clock because the result would show only part of the picture.

Scientists know that time is relative to the observer and is not universal because of physical distance of the observer. Ecsys extends this theory to include the perspective of the observer. Physical distance is irrelevant when time knows no physical bounds.

ANDAND:

The Beginning & The End

Imagine, if you will, an apple sitting in a void. Nothing else was around for as far as the eye of the apple could see. This apple was quite lonely because there seemed to be nothing else. Not only that, it could not know of itself and did not feel alive because there was nothing else to relate to. So after some deliberation it decided to do a very wise thing. Cut itself into pieces. (It does not do this in a literal way because it doesn't have a knife and there is no need to. It simply creates a apple-protein that makes each apple-slice forget that it is part of the whole.)

The simple act of dividing itself up created the core of its existence. For each slice was then able to perceive of other slices. For the first time in its existence it could see its own existence. The very moment when it sliced itself was when the apple universe was created. Time, space, and all the trappings of a satisfactory existence. (And, of course, consciousness.)

Only representations exist in the universe because the actuality of what the universe is is beyond perception. We have an infinite variety of representations (things, possibilities, elements, energy, thoughts, perceptions, etc.) because the entirety of It cannot ever be fully illustrated.

What we see is the universe, interpreted in a way that we can readily perceive.

But we do not live in a physical universe. Neither do we live in a spiritual universe. Anything can be expressed physically, spiritually, emotionally, politically, although in an incomplete way and one relative to the agent that is used to express it.

We are indirectly discovering more about the 100% of the universe that isn't physical as our ability to think abstractly expands through the use of computers and networks, games, books, and other media. We are now more involved in abstract mental exercises than ever before. We are traveling through "self" as we travel in time and space.

Astrobiologists look for (organic) life elsewhere in the universe, bypassing the intelligence in our own clouds and geosphere. More importantly, we overlook the capacity for human intelligence to become entirely different than anything we've seen before.


(There is so much more on that incarnation of the ecsys.org, I strongly recommend it.)

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 06/19/2013 11:42 PM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.


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