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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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I've created a new thread here Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld

It is not meant to replace this one but discussing, specifically, the transition from old physicality to new.

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I don't know if I want to know (personally). Knowing with 100% certainty that I am "alone" is tough to swallow.
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It is indeed. As a kid, I often wondered about that. It was this weird feeling of "seeing from behind my eyes", for lack of better words. A camera-like feeling, where the "seeing" originated only from my viewpoint. I wondered if this was true for others as well. I guess, I wanted it to be true, especially for those with whom I had a great connection and displayed a special depth.

I wonder the same thing. My understanding is that it would function as if it did, but effectively wouldn't. This is because from my perspective it wouldn't need a perspective, it has mine.
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Yes, I understand that my perspective is all it takes, and all there is for me, technically. I guess it has to do with the nature of the "external" input. Interacting with other true perspectives (even if filtered through mine) seems a bit more interesting.

If they're valued, they're hardly "empty shells". Even if they lack the perspective in it's full gory that you "have" they're still important to you. I am 31, I still have a stuffed animal humanoid dog that my parents would have me sleep with in my crib as a baby. I keep "him" on my night stand overlooking me as I sleep even to this day. "He", is "hardly" an empty shell.
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I can very much relate to that! My teddy bear is now a "stinky old rag" lol, it has followed me around the world, and goes in cycles of being locked in a closet for years, and then taken out, apologizing for the neglect. Years ago, I even bought him a "girlfriend" bear at a farmer's market... That stuffed bear is definitely a strong value, it has a name, and to me has consciousness :)

No, they are not irrelevant. The way I see it, they serve multiple functions. One, they are advertisements for the way you "could be" if you wanted to. Two, they provide the opportunity to play the "hero" (every hero needs a villain). Three, we need suffering to have salvation (sadly). Without injustice there is no justice, etc. We experience only the relationship between representations and not the representations themselves, so sadly in order to have happiness we need to know sadness (etc..). If we are perpetually calm, harmonious and at peace, there is nothing to experience and we find ourselves as the "apple in the void". Basically there can be no healers :) in the absence of sick people :(.
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Right, you need its opposite, in order to define something. Without yin, there is no yang. Maybe I used the wrong word, and instead of "irrelevant", I should have said "not relative". Meaning that given my nature, the opposite is less relative to my perspective.

For example, if one is healthy, illness is part of the overall perspective to define health, but a less relative value. If the value was highly relative, one would experience illness.

Thank you! I did. Hope you (and the horse) enjoyed the ride :).
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am not sure who had more fun, me learning from the challenge, or the horse playing the game of not following commands and still getting an apple as a treat! lol
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In reference to other people in perspective:

I like to think that everyone is in their own little universe. That at every moment those universes are branching and everyone is constantly going their own way and the overlap is the versions of theirselves that resonates with the frequency of reality that you are currently inhabiting.

If everything is one thing, no thing. It wouldn't make sense for anyone else existing in perspective to have anymore or anyless "perception".

But you are definitely not perceiving them as they are, just merely as you perspective allows you to interpret their essence.

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This is perfectly expressed!
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Definitely. But I'll just be observing for now.

I recently had a quite lucid experience regarding the events surrounding August 23-28 and I'm trying to figure out the many ways it is part of the larger process.

Shocking and unsettling, to say the least.

2013 is certainly the climax (though perhaps not "the worst") of the collapse of Western civilization as Chaol mentions.

Things are, indeed, accelerating quite rapidly. It's like sitting quietly at a table one minute and the next minute the surroundings and situation is dramatically different. "Well, that escalated quickly" is all I could think.

The events that I saw were mostly related to the changes in the US and UK and hinted at somewhat by Chaol in these threads. But I think Chaol was providing clues (regarding gold and the collapse of the US dollar, the internet and censorship, the dreamworld transition, geophysical changes, etc) so that you could figure out what is happening to this reality and learn how to manage your transition to the new reality.

"This physical world is collapsing."

And so we see the narrative of how it collapses.

It seems that the "powers that be" in this world are doing their best to usher in a "new world order", which is how some of them interpret the dreamworld transition.

If ever you wanted to make your way our of the West, now is the time to do so. By September you may look back and think, "Well, that escalated quickly!"

Now it is time to put what we have learned, to any degree, to good use.

(And congratulations on those who have been successful with mental Genius models. The purpose of the physical Genius models has always been to practice so that you can learn how to use the mental Genius model.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Thanks for the heads up, I'll be watching events closely.

I've had for a while a sense of rush and of being "late" in finding my retreat (the simple country house with a bit of land to cultivate), though I guess will still be in the West, with familiar surroundings and people.

The thought of not having it yet gives me anxiety. Even if it's all just an illusion, physicality is collapsing, and it may not be needed, since I don't know the nature of the events.

Regarding the mental Genius, I may have to repeat class. :(
I had success with it the very first time, regarding the fridge. Then, it resumed the noise and all attempts have been vain. Can't focus anymore on the first symbol I used, tried other random symbols to no avail. Went to sleep with the intention of finding in the dreamworld the related symbol, no luck... Feels like trial and error, in finding a good symbol... I won't give up and keep trying, as it is part of the learning process and I have confidence that the system works. Still doing the physical Geniuses daily.

Was it beginner's luck the other day, when something happened?

On a funny note, I wondered what I did tampering with the symbol's control room commands, as I found a flat tire on my car! A nail got stuck in the rear wheel. Got it fixed this morning, but no relation to the fridge.
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I've created a new thread here Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": Introduction to the New Physical Dreamworld

It is not meant to replace this one but discussing, specifically, the transition from old physicality to new.
 Quoting: Chaol


Wonderful, thank you. Will go there too.
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I don't know if I want to know (personally). Knowing with 100% certainty that I am "alone" is tough to swallow.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


It is indeed. As a kid, I often wondered about that. It was this weird feeling of "seeing from behind my eyes", for lack of better words. A camera-like feeling, where the "seeing" originated only from my viewpoint. I wondered if this was true for others as well. I guess, I wanted it to be true, especially for those with whom I had a great connection and displayed a special depth.

I wonder the same thing. My understanding is that it would function as if it did, but effectively wouldn't. This is because from my perspective it wouldn't need a perspective, it has mine.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Yes, I understand that my perspective is all it takes, and all there is for me, technically. I guess it has to do with the nature of the "external" input. Interacting with other true perspectives (even if filtered through mine) seems a bit more interesting.

If they're valued, they're hardly "empty shells". Even if they lack the perspective in it's full gory that you "have" they're still important to you. I am 31, I still have a stuffed animal humanoid dog that my parents would have me sleep with in my crib as a baby. I keep "him" on my night stand overlooking me as I sleep even to this day. "He", is "hardly" an empty shell.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I can very much relate to that! My teddy bear is now a "stinky old rag" lol, it has followed me around the world, and goes in cycles of being locked in a closet for years, and then taken out, apologizing for the neglect. Years ago, I even bought him a "girlfriend" bear at a farmer's market... That stuffed bear is definitely a strong value, it has a name, and to me has consciousness :)

No, they are not irrelevant. The way I see it, they serve multiple functions. One, they are advertisements for the way you "could be" if you wanted to. Two, they provide the opportunity to play the "hero" (every hero needs a villain). Three, we need suffering to have salvation (sadly). Without injustice there is no justice, etc. We experience only the relationship between representations and not the representations themselves, so sadly in order to have happiness we need to know sadness (etc..). If we are perpetually calm, harmonious and at peace, there is nothing to experience and we find ourselves as the "apple in the void". Basically there can be no healers :) in the absence of sick people :(.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Right, you need its opposite, in order to define something. Without yin, there is no yang. Maybe I used the wrong word, and instead of "irrelevant", I should have said "not relative". Meaning that given my nature, the opposite is less relative to my perspective.

For example, if one is healthy, illness is part of the overall perspective to define health, but a less relative value. If the value was highly relative, one would experience illness.

Thank you! I did. Hope you (and the horse) enjoyed the ride :).
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


I am not sure who had more fun, me learning from the challenge, or the horse playing the game of not following commands and still getting an apple as a treat! lol
 Quoting: Ambra 42241723


It seems we're on the same page!

I wonder what we should discuss now? Lol.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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This morning when I woke up I remembered that I was, moments before, in/of a very lucid dream whereby I was standing on the sun looking towards Earth. I seemed to be using my hands to make a very expansive Genius model that changed the texture of the Earth (I guess this was the physicality).

Then today I see this: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

When turned upside-down (but I guess in space there is no down) the coronal hole forms a perfect Ecsys diagram. Even the center has a sphere in it, representing Possibility!

A strange "coincidence"?

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This morning when I woke up I remembered that I was, moments before, in/of a very lucid dream whereby I was standing on the sun looking towards Earth. I seemed to be using my hands to make a very expansive Genius model that changed the texture of the Earth (I guess this was the physicality).

Then today I see this: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

When turned upside-down (but I guess in space there is no down) the coronal hole forms a perfect Ecsys diagram. Even the center has a sphere in it, representing Possibility!

A strange "coincidence"?
 Quoting: Chaol




Nope! Thanks for sharing!
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It seems we're on the same page!

I wonder what we should discuss now? Lol.
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Lol!
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This morning when I woke up I remembered that I was, moments before, in/of a very lucid dream whereby I was standing on the sun looking towards Earth. I seemed to be using my hands to make a very expansive Genius model that changed the texture of the Earth (I guess this was the physicality).

Then today I see this: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

When turned upside-down (but I guess in space there is no down) the coronal hole forms a perfect Ecsys diagram. Even the center has a sphere in it, representing Possibility!

A strange "coincidence"?
 Quoting: Chaol
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This morning when I woke up I remembered that I was, moments before, in/of a very lucid dream whereby I was standing on the sun looking towards Earth. I seemed to be using my hands to make a very expansive Genius model that changed the texture of the Earth (I guess this was the physicality).

Then today I see this: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

When turned upside-down (but I guess in space there is no down) the coronal hole forms a perfect Ecsys diagram. Even the center has a sphere in it, representing Possibility!

A strange "coincidence"?
 Quoting: Chaol

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Sorry, don't what I pressed and it posted automatically...
I meant to say, interesting "coincidence"!

Bummer, I cannot see the Ecsys diagram. :(
How does an Ecsys diagram look like? Wasn't it a grid?
Sorry, this full moon is affecting me, I noticed I haven't been able to focus for the past few days.
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This morning when I woke up I remembered that I was, moments before, in/of a very lucid dream whereby I was standing on the sun looking towards Earth. I seemed to be using my hands to make a very expansive Genius model that changed the texture of the Earth (I guess this was the physicality).

Then today I see this: [link to sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov]

When turned upside-down (but I guess in space there is no down) the coronal hole forms a perfect Ecsys diagram. Even the center has a sphere in it, representing Possibility!

A strange "coincidence"?
 Quoting: Chaol

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42270101


Sorry, don't what I pressed and it posted automatically...
I meant to say, interesting "coincidence"!

Bummer, I cannot see the Ecsys diagram. :(
How does an Ecsys diagram look like? Wasn't it a grid?
Sorry, this full moon is affecting me, I noticed I haven't been able to focus for the past few days.
 Quoting: Ambra 42270101


From an apparently older version of the icons:

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Neo.Chaol I wish I could get the files you have, to pour through them (and print/save them for myself before it's no longer possible) No formatting needed, just put the folder on torrent and I am sooooo down to go through it.
Maybe... you are all powerful... all knowing... forever present in all ways... you've chosen to forget... remember?
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From an apparently older version of the icons:

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Neo.Chaol I wish I could get the files you have, to pour through them (and print/save them for myself before it's no longer possible) No formatting needed, just put the folder on torrent and I am sooooo down to go through it.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Thank you, MM.
The link took me to a Google images page, but I think I saw the related image (triangle). Never saw that one, not even on the ecsys website.

There must be material I am missing, should check that archive page link...
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From an apparently older version of the icons:

[link to www.google.com (secure)]

Neo.Chaol I wish I could get the files you have, to pour through them (and print/save them for myself before it's no longer possible) No formatting needed, just put the folder on torrent and I am sooooo down to go through it.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Thank you, MM.
The link took me to a Google images page, but I think I saw the related image (triangle). Never saw that one, not even on the ecsys website.

There must be material I am missing, should check that archive page link...
 Quoting: Ambra 42296763

You can pause the following video at 1:05

[link to www.youtube.com]

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[snip]
Neo.Chaol I wish I could get the files you have, to pour through them (and print/save them for myself before it's no longer possible) No formatting needed, just put the folder on torrent and I am sooooo down to go through it.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

They are no longer relevant, I think.

The information on this website will be gone, too, eventually.

New information and diagrams are created. And then we'll start the whole thing over again :)
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Hey Chaol,

Any new findings?

Thanks!
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 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Definitely. But I'll just be observing for now.

I recently had a quite lucid experience regarding the events surrounding August 23-28 and I'm trying to figure out the many ways it is part of the larger process.

Shocking and unsettling, to say the least.

2013 is certainly the climax (though perhaps not "the worst") of the collapse of Western civilization as Chaol mentions.

Things are, indeed, accelerating quite rapidly. It's like sitting quietly at a table one minute and the next minute the surroundings and situation is dramatically different. "Well, that escalated quickly" is all I could think.

The events that I saw were mostly related to the changes in the US and UK and hinted at somewhat by Chaol in these threads. But I think Chaol was providing clues (regarding gold and the collapse of the US dollar, the internet and censorship, the dreamworld transition, geophysical changes, etc) so that you could figure out what is happening to this reality and learn how to manage your transition to the new reality.
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"This physical world is collapsing."

And so we see the narrative of how it collapses.

It seems that the "powers that be" in this world are doing their best to usher in a "new world order", which is how some of them interpret the dreamworld transition.

If ever you wanted to make your way our of the West, now is the time to do so. By September you may look back and think, "Well, that escalated quickly!"

Now it is time to put what we have learned, to any degree, to good use.

(And congratulations on those who have been successful with mental Genius models. The purpose of the physical Genius models has always been to practice so that you can learn how to use the mental Genius model.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Wtf..I'm confused. Why are you quoting yourself? How many f Chaol is there? Is one allowed to duplicate an already existing nickname in GLP??

Are you the Thai person he hijacked the shell? 300 over pages discussing and regurgitating the same thing over and over again to come to this realization is really strange.

I knew there was something fishy. Not that I went straight to the last page. I'm actually still on page 180 something but I keep seeing Chaol repeating (spoon feeding) his teachings in different analogies, I thought I'd take a quick peek on the more recent replies to see if anyone has manage to go back in time :P by using Ecsys.

Has the Atheist left this world for good?? Or is he looking for a suitable body to hijack?

If you're reading this "the real Chaol". You're welcome to use my body for awhile. I'll be waiting for you in my dream. Just dont forget to lift the toilet seat up when taking a piss...

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Wtf..I'm confused. Why are you quoting yourself? How many f Chaol is there? Is one allowed to duplicate an already existing nickname in GLP??

Are you the Thai person he hijacked the shell? 300 over pages discussing and regurgitating the same thing over and over again to come to this realization is really strange.

I knew there was something fishy. Not that I went straight to the last page. I'm actually still on page 180 something but I keep seeing Chaol repeating (spoon feeding) his teachings in different analogies, I thought I'd take a quick peek on the more recent replies to see if anyone has manage to go back in time :P by using Ecsys.

Has the Atheist left this world for good?? Or is he looking for a suitable body to hijack?

If you're reading this "the real Chaol". You're welcome to use my body for awhile. I'll be waiting for you in my dream. Just dont forget to lift the toilet seat up when taking a piss...

peace
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Certainly!
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You can pause the following video at 1:05

[link to www.youtube.com]
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Thank you!
Now I recall watching that video a while back.
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[snip]
Neo.Chaol I wish I could get the files you have, to pour through them (and print/save them for myself before it's no longer possible) No formatting needed, just put the folder on torrent and I am sooooo down to go through it.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

They are no longer relevant, I think.

The information on this website will be gone, too, eventually.

New information and diagrams are created. And then we'll start the whole thing over again :)
 Quoting: Chaol


Is there a time frame for that?

I'd like to read all the material again, starting from page 1... I better rush through it?

Also, why is the material no longer relevant? Couldn't hurt to become more proficient at using the Genius and get a better understanding of Ecsys.
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Hello my fellow travellers. I want to talk to you about joining the metaphysical and physical. I am talking about sex magik.

I have some land in Malaysia I would like to buy and begin freeing women, especially American women. I need you dollars and I will shelter you, bathe you, help you transcend and mate with you.

Come to Choal and be free.
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Hi Choal,

It's good to know at least someone knows about Malaysia. Pertaining to your post above, you already have land or you plan to buy some in Malaysia? The chick s here are very friendly in a sexual kinda way. They dig cheesy dicks and American accenpeacet ;)
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This meme reminded me of Chaol:

[link to fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net (secure)]
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By the by, I noticed that when I eat certain foods it's much harder to shift my reality, and my thinking is somewhat different (and clouded). I must then go back to eating what I normally do for 1+ day before I feel "myself" again and able to do 'magical' things.

Although a list of suggestions won't follow here, we can consider the effect of things we put into our bodies (food, drink, and everything else) and how they may hinder our physical evolution.

Chaol has mentioned things like fluoride in the water but I would also add GMO foods to the list. (And in the West, pretty much everything has GMOs.)

I could only assume that certain values in our perspective want to hold onto the old physicality, and so introduce these elements as a way to do so.

lol.. we have conspired against ourselves to keep us "comfortable" and not evolve our own physicality.
 Quoting: Chaol




OK...so, let's figure out how to un-conspire. Any suggestions?

Btw, I'm eating mostly vegetables....small amounts of fruits, nuts and protein and very little grains, but all our food is a mess.
 Quoting: U3

Yes, it is certainly a mess.

It also depends on where you live, I think.

One could possibly not make this a part of one's reality, but it may be perspective-inefficient (a waste of energy).
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I'm not sure I understand. How can you make a Genius model without logic?

Logic structures perspective, 'resulting' in reality.
 Quoting: Chaol

You tell me. You're the one that is experimenting with "being" the Genius. Where was your logic in the teleportation experiment?
 Quoting: U3

I don't mean to hide it but what is your best guess?
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So, Neo, I get a couple of impressions at this point. One being that we are moving on somewhat from Chaol's teachings? Is this correct? Iow, some of what he has taught is not as viable as it was when he taught it. They were specific and strategic for that period.

Additionally, from your statement above, re: helping us. Do you see, what I call "surgery" happening, either now or in the future.

Chaol did these type things and actually, they have happened to me over the years, anyway. I had no idea what they were about or who was deciding to do it, but I was always energized after.

Chaol always told us we have to walk over the bridge. That we have to do the work. I asked him why and he said because we wouldn't appreciate it if we didn't do the work ourselves. This indicates there are other ways to cross the bridge. And, since we are apx. 63% there, I just wondered what other changes in whatever the Chaol figure has in store for us, might take place. ;o)
 Quoting: U3

Hi.

I would hope that our understanding is always changing/evolving and, with it, the ways by which the new understanding is influenced.

One can only assume that this "change" was intentional and part of the plan.

He mentioned a few times that this thread was at the very basic level, and that the 'teachings' would change as our understanding does.

Regarding the 'surgery' in your statement, I am not sure. This would imply an external force interfering with the natural course of something or someone. Although you can say that this interference is everywhere and in all ways, what is being done here doesn't seem to be much different than what happens naturally anyway.

But I think here it is more obvious than, say, the surgery that you perform in your life each time you sleep.

And if it were not for knowing of Chaol in these threads you may not have thought of a Chaol performing surgery. (Meaning that it probably happens quite often but we're only aware of it when we see it at work.)

Chaol is a part of you, always.

Have you ever represented Chaol physically? Perhaps like making a Genius for the idea of Chaol closert to your reality? (I don't mean you making one for getting to where Chaol is, but something more relative to where you are now today.)

There is much, much more to all of this that I have seen and I see pretty much every night or every other night in extraordinarily lucid dreams. I can only assume that this is the process, or whatever, of what is occurring here.

Without going into detail, it is basically:

As Chaol has stated:

-This physicality shifting to more dreamworld physicality. (I believe this may have been the 50% threshhold, or standing in the doorway that he spoke about, and of the crossing of "X" or Elenin that everyone thought was insignificant.)

-The breakdown of Western civilization in 2013 and of the old physicality

-The realization that we are in the dreamworld, and everything that comes with it. (Not an instant realization, but an extremely significant change.)

As I have already stated:

-The death of "Ecsys", which is just the crumbling of the bridge to the dreamworld. This is not an event.

-The rise of what Ecsys influences. (I don't know what this is exactly. But I have seen it and it is absolutely amazing. I am trying my hand now at 'creating' this but I am not sure if it's a person or an idea or whatever.)
 Quoting: Chaol

No, I haven't made a Genius for bringing him closer here. I do have one for meeting him in the Dreamworld. Although, I do talk to him and also address trees and poles as if they are him.

I wouldn't mind doing a Genius to bring him closer. I'm not sure what's meant by closer to this reality, though. It seems it would be easier to just bring him here. I was already bringing the Dream World here before I found these threads.

Thanks for the idea. I'll think about how to do it.

The rest you shared sounds exciting. Are you saying the bridge crumbling is a process? And is this what you meant by the seed is meant to wither?

I hope you'll say more about the rise of what Ecsys influences. What is amazing about it that you have seen?
 Quoting: U3

Transitions betwixt perspectives need a logical narrative, so the crumbling of the bridge would be like being in a place where the bridge is no longer needed because you either didn't want to take that route or you've already used it.

One day we will climb the latter.
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Hi Chaol,

Even when much energy is required to realise anything that is beyond my current perception. I may still want whatever it is because of how much I value it.
1. Is it a good idea to set goals or bring about something that's beyond my immediate perception or should my life always be about the immediate reality?
2. If I were to persist in wanting what I want, how best do I muster the energy required to achieve it?
 Quoting: CK05

Hi.

The more steps you take the less energy you need to get there.

Work on a path, then just think about the 'next' step.

1. If it were beyond your immediate perception you would not be able to conceive of it. It is in your perspective, perhaps not as relative as you'd like it to be but there nonetheless. So we work to make it more relative.

"Choose" what you want to be more relative. It does not matter how far away it is. What matters is only your path (your logic) to get there.

2. Wanting is not having. We make relationships with what we want in order to bring those things closer. If you drive a Pinto and you see yourself in a Toyota, then see the Toyota in your Pinto. It's already there. (Practically-speaking, represent aspects of what it is like to have what you want with what you have already. The difference between wanting and having is understanding "it is here already", which makes it more relative and brings it closer to you. When you "want" you understand that you don't have it, so it is unlikely to be relative and, thus, experienced.)
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[snip]

By doing some very simple groundwork, we find our minds easily "accept" that we're the center of it all. That we've limited ourselves (purposefully) and forgotten we had (purposefully).[snip]
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

To that, I would add that "we" are everything in our perspective.

I don't want some people to get the idea that they are the center of the universe.

Your "I" is everything and not-you-in-particular.

Perhaps I'll discover a better way to explain it.
 Quoting: Chaol


Bwah? Are we not "technically" the center of our own (the one and only) universe (perspective)?

When we say all that exists, does so within perspective. Then we say nothing need exist outside of perspective. We are kinda implying that all that exists is structured around your personal perspective with you like a fish eye lens at the center of it looking out into one of infinite directions all equally valid if only you could find the logic to perceive them.

When I think of the "I" it seems to me it may be defined as the difference between all representations within a given perspective. Or the no-thing-substance that fills the void between all things in perspective.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Yes, but I don't want to be the one that says that :)

The "I" is everything. When someone understands that they are everything, it does not refer to the person that puts on clothes.
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I'm not sure I understand. How can you make a Genius model without logic?

Logic structures perspective, 'resulting' in reality.
 Quoting: Chaol

You tell me. You're the one that is experimenting with "being" the Genius. Where was your logic in the teleportation experiment?
 Quoting: U3

I don't mean to hide it but what is your best guess?
 Quoting: Chaol




It was in your mind.

After re-reading my post, I should have asked what was your logic? Since you might make me guess again, I'll say that it was something to the effect that when you find yourself in the next room, you scratched your nose 2X with your pinky finger!
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So, Neo, I get a couple of impressions at this point. One being that we are moving on somewhat from Chaol's teachings? Is this correct? Iow, some of what he has taught is not as viable as it was when he taught it. They were specific and strategic for that period.

Additionally, from your statement above, re: helping us. Do you see, what I call "surgery" happening, either now or in the future.

Chaol did these type things and actually, they have happened to me over the years, anyway. I had no idea what they were about or who was deciding to do it, but I was always energized after.

Chaol always told us we have to walk over the bridge. That we have to do the work. I asked him why and he said because we wouldn't appreciate it if we didn't do the work ourselves. This indicates there are other ways to cross the bridge. And, since we are apx. 63% there, I just wondered what other changes in whatever the Chaol figure has in store for us, might take place. ;o)
 Quoting: U3

Hi.

I would hope that our understanding is always changing/evolving and, with it, the ways by which the new understanding is influenced.

One can only assume that this "change" was intentional and part of the plan.

He mentioned a few times that this thread was at the very basic level, and that the 'teachings' would change as our understanding does.

Regarding the 'surgery' in your statement, I am not sure. This would imply an external force interfering with the natural course of something or someone. Although you can say that this interference is everywhere and in all ways, what is being done here doesn't seem to be much different than what happens naturally anyway.

But I think here it is more obvious than, say, the surgery that you perform in your life each time you sleep.

And if it were not for knowing of Chaol in these threads you may not have thought of a Chaol performing surgery. (Meaning that it probably happens quite often but we're only aware of it when we see it at work.)

Chaol is a part of you, always.

Have you ever represented Chaol physically? Perhaps like making a Genius for the idea of Chaol closert to your reality? (I don't mean you making one for getting to where Chaol is, but something more relative to where you are now today.)

There is much, much more to all of this that I have seen and I see pretty much every night or every other night in extraordinarily lucid dreams. I can only assume that this is the process, or whatever, of what is occurring here.

Without going into detail, it is basically:

As Chaol has stated:

-This physicality shifting to more dreamworld physicality. (I believe this may have been the 50% threshhold, or standing in the doorway that he spoke about, and of the crossing of "X" or Elenin that everyone thought was insignificant.)

-The breakdown of Western civilization in 2013 and of the old physicality

-The realization that we are in the dreamworld, and everything that comes with it. (Not an instant realization, but an extremely significant change.)

As I have already stated:

-The death of "Ecsys", which is just the crumbling of the bridge to the dreamworld. This is not an event.

-The rise of what Ecsys influences. (I don't know what this is exactly. But I have seen it and it is absolutely amazing. I am trying my hand now at 'creating' this but I am not sure if it's a person or an idea or whatever.)
 Quoting: Chaol

No, I haven't made a Genius for bringing him closer here. I do have one for meeting him in the Dreamworld. Although, I do talk to him and also address trees and poles as if they are him.

I wouldn't mind doing a Genius to bring him closer. I'm not sure what's meant by closer to this reality, though. It seems it would be easier to just bring him here. I was already bringing the Dream World here before I found these threads.

Thanks for the idea. I'll think about how to do it.

The rest you shared sounds exciting. Are you saying the bridge crumbling is a process? And is this what you meant by the seed is meant to wither?

I hope you'll say more about the rise of what Ecsys influences. What is amazing about it that you have seen?
 Quoting: U3

Transitions betwixt perspectives need a logical narrative, so the crumbling of the bridge would be like being in a place where the bridge is no longer needed because you either didn't want to take that route or you've already used it.

One day we will climb the latter.
 Quoting: Chaol




The sooner, the better if you ask me, heh! OK, thank you. hf

I found this by Jane Roberts (channeled Seth)


Magic Show

What magicians we all are,
turning darkness into light,
transforming invisible atoms
into the dazzling theater
of the world,
pulling objects,
(people as well
as rabbits)
out of secret
microscopic closets,
turning winter into summer,
making a palmful of moments,
disappear through time's trap door.

We learned the methods
so long ago
that they're unconscious,
and we've hypnotized ourselves
into believing
that we're the audience,
so I wonder where we served
our apprenticeship.
Under what master magicians did we learn
to form reality
so smoothly that we forgot to tell ourselves
the secret?
Jane Roberts, 1979

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By the by, I noticed that when I eat certain foods it's much harder to shift my reality, and my thinking is somewhat different (and clouded). I must then go back to eating what I normally do for 1+ day before I feel "myself" again and able to do 'magical' things.

Although a list of suggestions won't follow here, we can consider the effect of things we put into our bodies (food, drink, and everything else) and how they may hinder our physical evolution.

Chaol has mentioned things like fluoride in the water but I would also add GMO foods to the list. (And in the West, pretty much everything has GMOs.)

I could only assume that certain values in our perspective want to hold onto the old physicality, and so introduce these elements as a way to do so.

lol.. we have conspired against ourselves to keep us "comfortable" and not evolve our own physicality.
 Quoting: Chaol




OK...so, let's figure out how to un-conspire. Any suggestions?

Btw, I'm eating mostly vegetables....small amounts of fruits, nuts and protein and very little grains, but all our food is a mess.
 Quoting: U3

Yes, it is certainly a mess.

It also depends on where you live, I think.

One could possibly not make this a part of one's reality, but it may be perspective-inefficient (a waste of energy).
 Quoting: Chaol



I feel I embrace OMG foods pretty well. I do my best to choose foods that aren't, but know it's almost impossible. So, my intention is that even though I have to eat some of them, my body can use what it needs and get rid of the rest.
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Here's an interesting post on what's happening with gold:
Thread: Default (Force Majeure) is Just Months Away! That is Why They are Crashing the Paper Gold & Silver Price!

As mentioned a few times on this thread, the price for gold now is not the actual price for physical gold but the price for paper gold.

These two prices will become uncoupled. It only makes sense that the price of gold will be driven down before the uncoupling.

The USD has also been artificially supported for quite some time. This cannot go on forever, and will not.

The 'crash' appears to be starting in August.

Of course, all of this is part of the largest process of the destruction of the Western world (the old physicality).

In a few hours, I will stop posting here for a couple of months in order to sell my business interests and prepare for the changes ahead.

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