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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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[snips]
I notice the relationship of things around me become more clearer. Like they actually know they're part of my perspective.
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Pip Squeak
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I really like this!
Tomorrow I'll interact keeping this in mind. Thanks.

[still up, awfully late at night... downloading Ubuntu...]
 Quoting: Ambra 42438075




Good luck. Let me know what you think.
 Quoting: U3


Losing my mind trying to figure out how to install Ubuntu. Not mac friendly, been up two nights in a row until dawn. Will figure it out eventually.

In the meantime, the fridge is again on the right path of working properly, after the set back. Great moments of silence. When I think back of past Geniuses (the hand made symbols) and the newly created words, I realize that I have to give it a little time to see results, sometimes as short as a week.

Regarding the home Genius, a friend of mine owns what I refer to as "the" house, the one I set my standards up against. A wonderful place I have interacted with for years. Today, I was given my own set of keys to that house, since I live nearby and he lives in the city, for emergencies and such. I take it as a great tangible symbol and a step forward in getting the keys to my new dream home! It's getting closer.

Still doing daily the logic of both Geniuses. :)
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OK, since I'm changing everything, in how I relate to the internet, I'm going to delete Gumpy (and all my blogs)) in the coming days. (I've had my email account since I got on the internet, 10-11 years ago, sigh! It's going too.)

So, if anyone wants any of the links to Ecsys materials, now is the time to grab them. As far as I know, I have all the links to the various Ecsys materials found on the net. And Pip Squeak, you might want to take a look at the archived Ecsys websites linked there. I think you will go nuts over them!

[link to gumpylife.blogspot.com]
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Wow, nice blog and so much to go through! Do you have a time frame for when you'll delete it? :(
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OK, since I'm changing everything, in how I relate to the internet, I'm going to delete Gumpy (and all my blogs)) in the coming days. (I've had my email account since I got on the internet, 10-11 years ago, sigh! It's going too.)

So, if anyone wants any of the links to Ecsys materials, now is the time to grab them. As far as I know, I have all the links to the various Ecsys materials found on the net. And Pip Squeak, you might want to take a look at the archived Ecsys websites linked there. I think you will go nuts over them!

[link to gumpylife.blogspot.com]
 Quoting: U3


Wow, nice blog and so much to go through! Do you have a time frame for when you'll delete it? :(
 Quoting: Ambra 42545924





I may not delete it after all. (I actually have 9 blogs and 8 of them are dedicated to Ecsys, in some way. It's how I learned so much so fast.) Anyway, I'm considering some other changes. I just want to interact with the internet in a new way and there are lots of choices for that.

It seems like all of a sudden I have so much to do....change how I relate to the internet and re-define quite a bit of my reality with meme's. But, it's kinda exciting, too!

I'm sorry getting your new os is taking so much but I am sure it will be worth it, in the end! Thanks for the update. It confirms to me that's probably not the route I needed to take.

I love you were given the keys to your friend's house. I agree, it's right in line with your Genius. Did you remember that whenever this happens with a Genius, to make a new symbol?

Btw, I healed my toilet (rolling eyes) by moving my hands around the outside of it until I found a "spot" that seemed to react......and put my hands on it and saw the gaskets as brand new. That was almost a month ago, and so far so good. Maybe you could try that with your refrigerator.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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Some reminders relative to Neo.Chaol's "current" direction with the thread.:
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Replace the structure you've built up over the years with a new set of rules in order to experience a different result.

The problem arises when we think attraction and repulsion are two separate forces.

We may think that we're not attracted to the things we seem to hate, for example.

I'm suggesting that at times it may better suit us to know the extent of our own perceptions.

If we see lies, for example, we could think, "why do I feel that way?"

It is easy to get confused and think the we are our own focal point.

Our body is most relative to what we are, and it is us. But we often fail to see that what we are includes the entirety of our perceptions not just the most relative area (our body).


To embrace everything that we perceive is the difficult part. But parting our perceptions into good and bad creates an illusion quite difficult to embrace.
 Quoting: Chaol


As a side note, I think one thing that may surprise most people (from my experience) is how attracted we are to the things we say we don't want. When we choose to interact with something more, it becomes a part of our experience, expectation, and perspective. What would happen when doctors focused more on health instead of illness, preachers on good things rather than about evil or 'the devil', society focusing on education or well-being rather than conflict, wars, violence, etc. We have only to turn on a television to see the kinds of the things that many of us are attracted to, even if we think we don't want those things. What is more interesting to most people? To hear about someone's health or illness?

 Quoting: Chaol



What a wonderful compilation of posts, MM. Thank you. hf

This last post, re: interacting with things we focus on, is something I'd like to discuss. It sort of concerned me to do meme's that were more direct, such as GMO is now OMG! However, I decided the shock value is good so as to awaken the mind.

I posted a couple of meme's here for Neo's response. One was TPTB=TWUW (those who united the world). There are so many ways to look at our perspective, I finally started making meme's for many different levels of understanding because that's what I see (and feel, actually.)

What I have enjoyed about the meme's is I am actually doing something with many parts of my perspective I've just kind of ignored. What I really liked is how Chaol talked about consciousness has to have attraction/repulsion and to see them as the same. One cannot exist without the other.
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Couldn't resist to take the chance to make the 11,111th reply!
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[snips]
I notice the relationship of things around me become more clearer. Like they actually know they're part of my perspective.
[snips]

Pip Squeak
peace
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42303481


I really like this!
Tomorrow I'll interact keeping this in mind. Thanks.

[still up, awfully late at night... downloading Ubuntu...]
 Quoting: Ambra 42438075




Good luck. Let me know what you think.
 Quoting: U3


Losing my mind trying to figure out how to install Ubuntu. Not mac friendly, been up two nights in a row until dawn. Will figure it out eventually.

In the meantime, the fridge is again on the right path of working properly, after the set back. Great moments of silence. When I think back of past Geniuses (the hand made symbols) and the newly created words, I realize that I have to give it a little time to see results, sometimes as short as a week.

Regarding the home Genius, a friend of mine owns what I refer to as "the" house, the one I set my standards up against. A wonderful place I have interacted with for years. Today, I was given my own set of keys to that house, since I live nearby and he lives in the city, for emergencies and such. I take it as a great tangible symbol and a step forward in getting the keys to my new dream home! It's getting closer.

Still doing daily the logic of both Geniuses. :)
 Quoting: Ambra 42545924


If you need help, feel free to ask me any time. Have Ubuntu up and running right now. As I was using all those open source apps already (Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Filezilla), the switch doesn't feel that hard.

Had a tough time with the default so called Window manager though; switched to Cinnamon and now I can actually use it a lot better.

Here is a how to on Cinnamon (with the exact commands that you can copy/paste into the Terminal to install)
[link to www.ubuntugeek.com]
Tuuur
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All that can be said at this time has been said.

It has been a pleasure communicating with all of you and discussing these things.

My awareness of practically everything under the sun has increased exponentially since day 1, and you all have something to do with that.

That you for being a part of my journey, and I am glad to be a part of yours and know that deep down it is our single journey.

Some things will not make sense just yet, but it is there to be understood if we relate to it. And so time marches on, and new worlds are conveyed. We will always have perspective, so let us use it wisely.

With great hope and happiness, I will see some of you in a few months.

Take care :)
 Quoting: Chaol


It has been an amazing mental journey all these years.

I accidentally came across with chaol's website, and then accidentally came to this thread (there were no links of the thread to the web site).

I cannot remember what I was searching back then (i think it was about biometrics), when the "ecsys.org" came as a link. Now, "ecsys" in my mother tongue sounds like "eksis", which means 'addiction' and I was curious to read what "greek" was that ecsys about.

Four years later, I came up with the following, which to me (that is, "it fits my personal perspective", as Jesse would have said) encapsulates chaol's teachings and can be used as a (good or bad) compass for further understanding.

Thanks to your last reply ("it is not a contradiction"), I came up (for me to understand it) with this Ec "definition", which is consistent and not self-contradictory. So, after all:

Ecsys: It takes you from A to B, so that ...you won't have to. (go on your own, that is)

Does one want to have to, or does one want to not have to?
If one takes the "going from A to B" as an act of will, the question becomes "does one want to have to will, or does one want not to have to will?"

But this is tricky, because you cannot will to not have to will and that is why (I think) it is so difficult for all of us to adopt and think in Ec.

As a greek had put it: "To not want the nothing, to want the nothing, to not wanting. These are the three climaxes of the will".

By the way, if it serves any purpose, the fact that we cannot know the thing in itself (and only as a relation to something else) is known since Plato. But Chaol brought it to its last consequence.

"Enjoy the Silence" everybody!
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Ecsys: It takes you from A to B, so that ...you won't have to. (go on your own, that is)

Does one want to have to, or does one want to not have to?

If one takes the "going from A to B" as an act of will, the question becomes "does one want to have to will, or does one want not to have to will?"

But this is tricky, because you cannot will to not have to will and that is why (I think) it is so difficult for all of us to adopt and think in Ec.

As a greek had put it: "To not want the nothing, to want the nothing, to not wanting. These are the three climaxes of the will".

By the way, if it serves any purpose, the fact that we cannot know the thing in itself (and only as a relation to something else) is known since Plato. But Chaol brought it to its last consequence.

"Enjoy the Silence" everybody!
[link to www.youtube.com]
hf
 Quoting: panoukos




Lovely, Panoukous! hf

And here's a link to the same song, live, that our country has not blocked.


"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka
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I may not delete it after all. (I actually have 9 blogs and 8 of them are dedicated to Ecsys, in some way. It's how I learned so much so fast.) Anyway, I'm considering some other changes. I just want to interact with the internet in a new way and there are lots of choices for that.

It seems like all of a sudden I have so much to do....change how I relate to the internet and re-define quite a bit of my reality with meme's. But, it's kinda exciting, too!

I'm sorry getting your new os is taking so much but I am sure it will be worth it, in the end! Thanks for the update. It confirms to me that's probably not the route I needed to take.

I love you were given the keys to your friend's house. I agree, it's right in line with your Genius. Did you remember that whenever this happens with a Genius, to make a new symbol?

Btw, I healed my toilet (rolling eyes) by moving my hands around the outside of it until I found a "spot" that seemed to react......and put my hands on it and saw the gaskets as brand new. That was almost a month ago, and so far so good. Maybe you could try that with your refrigerator.
 Quoting: U3


I am glad you will not be deleting your blog!

Taking a couple of days break from trying to install Ubuntu. I will also do some cleaning up of the hard drive first, too crowded with old files.

So I should make a new symbol each time there is a step forward? I am confused about that, could you tell me more? The symbol I am currently using is so that my new home would make itself known to me (through ads or other)... Wouldn't that still be current?

Right, I remember you mentioned moving your hands around the broken item. My fridge is enclosed in a cabinet, but I will try. Maybe to regulate the thermostat better. It's very quiet right now, it's definitely improving each day!
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If you need help, feel free to ask me any time. Have Ubuntu up and running right now. As I was using all those open source apps already (Firefox, Thunderbird, OpenOffice, Filezilla), the switch doesn't feel that hard.

Had a tough time with the default so called Window manager though; switched to Cinnamon and now I can actually use it a lot better.

Here is a how to on Cinnamon (with the exact commands that you can copy/paste into the Terminal to install)
[link to www.ubuntugeek.com]
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Thank you tuuuuur!
What I was trying to do, is create a bootable USB drive and run it from there, without deleting my OS first. To try it out. Still have to back up a lot of stuff.

Apparently, this is not easy when on a mac due to the new .iso file, and all instructions using the terminal do not work with Ubuntu 13.04. Other users have the same problems, reading from the forums and help sections. They are having problems even creating the live DVD to launch it.

I've been up hours on end, using the terminal, to no avail.

The only cool program that helps with that, is not good for my OS (requires Lion). I can use either Tiger or Snow Leopard.

Is Cinnamon a "flavor" of Ubuntu? It's a new world and still have to learn all the differences.

If you are using a mac, how did you install it? Using a bootable CD? Which version of Ubuntu? (13.04 is too large for a regular CD) The one from the main download page, or a version with the .iso that says "+mac"?
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For Ubuntu 13.04 you need to make a bootable DVD.
I'd stay away from making a bootable USB stick,tried to do that once but with mixed results; plus, I never got that to work on a mac.

Right now I got a PC-laptop I got for free (because the screen has got a big black line running through it). I have got to read around the line but for the rest it runs all modern OS'es (including Mac OS X... ;-) ).

Cinnamon is a window manager. A window manager is just a way to interact graphically with the operating system and is actually just a piece of software.

Here is a great starting point for installing Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro:
[link to help.ubuntu.com (secure)]
Tuuur
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I may not delete it after all. (I actually have 9 blogs and 8 of them are dedicated to Ecsys, in some way. It's how I learned so much so fast.) Anyway, I'm considering some other changes. I just want to interact with the internet in a new way and there are lots of choices for that.

It seems like all of a sudden I have so much to do....change how I relate to the internet and re-define quite a bit of my reality with meme's. But, it's kinda exciting, too!

I'm sorry getting your new os is taking so much but I am sure it will be worth it, in the end! Thanks for the update. It confirms to me that's probably not the route I needed to take.

I love you were given the keys to your friend's house. I agree, it's right in line with your Genius. Did you remember that whenever this happens with a Genius, to make a new symbol?

Btw, I healed my toilet (rolling eyes) by moving my hands around the outside of it until I found a "spot" that seemed to react......and put my hands on it and saw the gaskets as brand new. That was almost a month ago, and so far so good. Maybe you could try that with your refrigerator.
 Quoting: U3


I am glad you will not be deleting your blog!

Taking a couple of days break from trying to install Ubuntu. I will also do some cleaning up of the hard drive first, too crowded with old files.

So I should make a new symbol each time there is a step forward? I am confused about that, could you tell me more? The symbol I am currently using is so that my new home would make itself known to me (through ads or other)... Wouldn't that still be current?

Right, I remember you mentioned moving your hands around the broken item. My fridge is enclosed in a cabinet, but I will try. Maybe to regulate the thermostat better. It's very quiet right now, it's definitely improving each day!
 Quoting: Ambra 42629097




I only got a few details, on the follow-up symbol, before Chaol left. But, my understanding is, once you get a symbol that means your Genius delivered. So, you devise another symbol and put it in another space. (I'm not clear if it needs to be a different space. Chaol always said a new symbol needs a new space so I go with that.) Personally, I put the follow-up symbol in a new space.


Also, it shakes your Genius up to refresh it. In fact, Marshqiggle introduced me to something she learned from Chaol, called an "expanded perspective." When you change anything in your Genius, it seems to awaken the mind. You can just change the logic, which is illustrated in our re-defining our reality and changing how we interact with the internet.
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Imagine for a moment, that what you're reading now, you have experienced before...

The moment you began to consider the words before you, you came to a realization you were "here" reading these words and somehow also "somewhere" else.

In this "somewhere" else, you understood that you may only maintain one perspective at once and that "there" is not so "relevant" to "here" and that when you "return" to "here" you will not recall what was simultaneously "occurring" there. Yet "there", you had a deep and thorough understanding of what was occurring "here" before you. The experience you had, are having, and will have is occurring both "here" and "there" simultaneously and not at all.

"There" you can see that nothing is actually occurring at all, here you can not see that anything other than the consideration of this text before you is actually occurring. If you find that it's your first time reading this text, it makes sense that you feel that it's the first time you've considered this. It's not.

"There" you've made an agreement with yourself "here". This agreement allows you to maintain "this" perspective in it's entirety as you'd prefer it to be. In order for the integrity of "here", you've chosen to forget and distance yourself from the unbounded understanding you hold so easily "there".

"There" you are the "Genie" and "here" you get to allow your wishes to play out beyond the understanding that you had even wished in the first place. This is why this information you're perceiving before you is both "alien" and "familiar".

You talk as if you want to "control" your reality. As if you're interested in taking the reins and moving perspective in the way you want it to be. You have, are and will always hold the "reins". You've made a purposeful decision to forget so that you can participate in an ever richer illusion of "reality" with ever deeper meaning embedded within the cascading chaos of nothing.

"There" you have no "fear" of dis-integrating, because you're not limited in any way. This sense of fear is a tool you use to sustain the integrity of "here".

You've returned "here" and "there" has faded again for the first time as a dream fades by shutting off your alarm. All of your experience here, the text on the screen, your memories of your child hood, your good times and your bad returning to you as you believe you recall them.

Here you are (again)... are you starting to re-member?

Last Edited by MutantMessiah on 07/01/2013 01:33 PM
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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lulz, now what?
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For Ubuntu 13.04 you need to make a bootable DVD.
I'd stay away from making a bootable USB stick,tried to do that once but with mixed results; plus, I never got that to work on a mac.

Right now I got a PC-laptop I got for free (because the screen has got a big black line running through it). I have got to read around the line but for the rest it runs all modern OS'es (including Mac OS X... ;-) ).

Cinnamon is a window manager. A window manager is just a way to interact graphically with the operating system and is actually just a piece of software.

Here is a great starting point for installing Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro:
[link to help.ubuntu.com (secure)]
 Quoting: tuuuuur


Right. I think my optical drive has dust, it gives me an error. Will have to get a cleaner or another blank DVD.

My MBP is now considered "vintage" :( Though still very sleek and running perfectly. Unfortunately, there is no data available for my model on the MacBookPro help page. Some say it's 32 bit, but having an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, it should be 64 bit.

I will try with the bootable DVD (though some have tried it and it still doesn't work, they say). For now, I am cleaning up the hard drive from old junk, which may very well be related to the ever-recreating clutter at home.

Soon, I will try both the 32 and 64 versions of Ubuntu on a DVD and let you know of any success with it.

Which version of Ubuntu did you install?
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I only got a few details, on the follow-up symbol, before Chaol left. But, my understanding is, once you get a symbol that means your Genius delivered. So, you devise another symbol and put it in another space. (I'm not clear if it needs to be a different space. Chaol always said a new symbol needs a new space so I go with that.) Personally, I put the follow-up symbol in a new space.


Also, it shakes your Genius up to refresh it. In fact, Marshqiggle introduced me to something she learned from Chaol, called an "expanded perspective." When you change anything in your Genius, it seems to awaken the mind. You can just change the logic, which is illustrated in our re-defining our reality and changing how we interact with the internet.
 Quoting: U3



This is interesting, and new to me.

Is the follow-up symbol in addition to the original Genius? Does that mean I have to work with both?
What I am not clear about is how to handle the follow up with the intent, as compared to the original Genius. Even if it delivered a symbol, still it's not the complete picture yet. So the original Genius is not obsolete... what is the role and goal one has to set with the follow up one? Unless it's a replacement.

Regarding changing the logic of the current Genius, I'd like to know more. I thought that one had to create a new Genius all together, rather than making changes to it. The concept is interesting, though, and it seems related to re-defining.

I just want to make sure I am not side tracking or interrupting the process, with the logic I set up, which may be in the works, and close to delivery.

Could I be possibly be pointed out to where Chaol mentioned it?
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Very nicely put, MM!

Allow me to play on the paradox:
Since we agreed to forget in order to experience the "here", there is no way we can truly ever remember the "there". We can pretend we remember, we can think we remember. But when one remembers, one goes instantly "there" [the alarm clock bell went off, interrupting the dream], the forgetting is shattered, and so is the "here".

Upon remembering, "here" becomes "there", and "there" is finally "here".
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"There" you've made an agreement with yourself "here"....In order for the integrity of "here", you've chosen to forget...
...

...Here you are (again)... are you starting to re-member?
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Why would one break the agreement with...oneself?

Or, how would you know when the agreement has ended?

What will happen to the integrity of "here" when you will re-member?...
know thy word
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Lol, Came across that idea in meditation. It was inspired in response to a discussion U3 and I were having regarding Panoukos's:
Does one want to have to, or does one want to not have to?
If one takes the "going from A to B" as an act of will, the question becomes "does one want to have to will, or does one want not to have to will?"


I had hesitated to even post it as it seems kinda presumptuous. It's best to remind everyone that I don't know what I am talking about.

Very nicely put, MM!

Allow me to play on the paradox:
Since we agreed to forget in order to experience the "here", there is no way we can truly ever remember the "there". We can pretend we remember, we can think we remember. But when one remembers, one goes instantly "there" [the alarm clock bell went off, interrupting the dream], the forgetting is shattered, and so is the "here".

Upon remembering, "here" becomes "there", and "there" is finally "here".
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I guess you're always "here" because where ever you go, "there" you are (lol). Even when we are able to successfully re-member "there" it's in random conversations with strangers, sung to us in songs on the radio, a memo at work, on a billboard on the side of the highway, or maybe sketched into the clouds. It's always wrapped in the cascading chaos nothing at the fringe of perspective. Made up of the stuff you didn't want to do but thought you'd take a chance.
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"There" you've made an agreement with yourself "here"....In order for the integrity of "here", you've chosen to forget...
...

...Here you are (again)... are you starting to re-member?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Why would one break the agreement with...oneself?

Or, how would you know when the agreement has ended?

What will happen to the integrity of "here" when you will re-member?...
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I know many reasons I'd break an agreement with myself. Would you ever break an agreement with yourself?

Since it's an agreement with yourself, I'd imagine it would end when you make the decision to end it.

The integrity will remain. You are all-ways here and there is always there. You're always putting limitations on yourself imposed upon you "here" from "there" and forgetting that you just did that.

That's what Chaol's Genie err Genius is all about.
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If there is nothing Neuronics can not do, why not take death out of one's perspective? And old age? Disease, deformity etc:.
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If those things did not have some benefit then it would not be experienced.

There once was a boy who met a genie. The genie gave him 3 wishes.

"I wish for and endless supply of wishes" the boy commanded.

"Very well" said the genie. "You have an endless supply, and two more wishes after that."

The first wish that the boy wished for was a spaceship to take him far from Earth. He traveled far, and along the way he wished for things like air, food, water, friends to play with, and more.

Although the journey to other worlds was fun, after a while he grew tired and wished for an endless amount of physical energy so that he'll never have to rest.

He still had an unlimited supply of wishes left, which comforted him. Yet, he was still quite lonely because he continued to realize that his friends were not real. They only came to be and came to play because he wished it.

It was all an illusion, really.

He eventually came back to Earth because he grew lonely and missed the things he could not control. He missed fighting with his brother because it also meant that he liked making up with him. He missed his homework because it gave him something to do and meant that he would have a sense of accomplishment. He missed his parents because even though he had problems and it wasn't a perfect family, they have been there since the beginning.

After considering all of this for quite some time he decided that life is better left to its own elements.

His second wish was to 'undo' his first wish, and return the endless supply of wishes back to the genie.

He lived a happy life for a number of years. But still, in the back of his mind was the lingering thought that it was all an illusion. That somehow his life, which he was now quite happy with, is something that he wished for. He wanted to feel more secure and that. He wanted life to be itself and to be as real as it could possibly be.

What an awful thought! To think that even he is not real and does not exist. "What could be worse that having absolutely no value?", he would think. This troubled him too much, and one day he came to a decision.

Finally used his third wish.

"I wish I never met the genie"

And in a puff of smoke the genie vanished.
 Quoting: Chaol

As an addendum to the above, the enterprising mind may want to think about how I work with the Genius.

Of course I will not tell you how exactly (figuring it out is half of the fun!) but I will tell you a story.

There once was a boy named Peter,
who wanted to teleport far far away.
His dog had died and his mother cursed,
and he just wanted to escape that day.

"Oh how! How can I get the fudge out of my fridge?", said he
When his eyes had cleared from the heart that teared,
magically there appeared a genie.

"Aren't you the genie from the last story?", said Peter.

"Indeed, but you're not to remember that anymore!", the genie said, surprised.
"What else do you remember from before?"

"I remember that if I symbolize a place I wish to be,
and make sure not to forget the other three,
then my world will change", spoke Peter.

"Is that all? And then you're free?" asked the genie.

Peter remembered, "No. Not just yet. I must narrow my range!"
The genie raised his eyebrow.
Peter continued, "Instead of visualizing it in time space I must relate here with there.
I can think of any random thing, from a rolling meadow to a stray hair.
..and make it weird!"

"You are correct. Well done!" said the genie, twisting his beard.
"It is when we see where we wish to go here and now that we see the portal to it. And by making up a logic for that thing we pull ourselves there as our mind relates the there-logic to the here-logic. Indeed, the logic is our path."

"Of course!" exclaimed Peter.
"The logic is our path.
"I need not know how. I need not do the maths.
"I need only think of something-anything-and my mind will start to make sense of it, at the same time taking me to where I wish to go!"

And in a satisfied puff of smoke, the genie disappeared.

Peter was soon to follow.
 Quoting: Chaol


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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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I only got a few details, on the follow-up symbol, before Chaol left. But, my understanding is, once you get a symbol that means your Genius delivered. So, you devise another symbol and put it in another space. (I'm not clear if it needs to be a different space. Chaol always said a new symbol needs a new space so I go with that.) Personally, I put the follow-up symbol in a new space.


Also, it shakes your Genius up to refresh it. In fact, Marshqiggle introduced me to something she learned from Chaol, called an "expanded perspective." When you change anything in your Genius, it seems to awaken the mind. You can just change the logic, which is illustrated in our re-defining our reality and changing how we interact with the internet.
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This is interesting, and new to me.

Is the follow-up symbol in addition to the original Genius? Does that mean I have to work with both?
What I am not clear about is how to handle the follow up with the intent, as compared to the original Genius. Even if it delivered a symbol, still it's not the complete picture yet. So the original Genius is not obsolete... what is the role and goal one has to set with the follow up one? Unless it's a replacement.

Regarding changing the logic of the current Genius, I'd like to know more. I thought that one had to create a new Genius all together, rather than making changes to it. The concept is interesting, though, and it seems related to re-defining.

I just want to make sure I am not side tracking or interrupting the process, with the logic I set up, which may be in the works, and close to delivery.

Could I be possibly be pointed out to where Chaol mentioned it?
 Quoting: Ambra 42662642



I have it on my blog....somewhere, lol! And it might be on the Genius blog. I'll check and make sure I have a link to the Genius blog on the main blog (Gumpy)

I'm not real clear on it myself. I found out just before Chaol left, last time. But, basically, you have options:

1) new symbol, old Genius
2)new symbol, new logic, old Genius
3)old symbol, new logic, old Genius
4)everything new but in line with old Genius. IE: instead of new home, the Genius could be receipt for den furniture. (assuming you don't have a den in current home.)

We use a Genius 24/7, so don't be concerned about the old Genius (imo) They are still out there but your new one will be the most current.

I've experimented around with the different choices but can't say as I am good enough to really mention which works best. But, when a symbol comes in for me, I start at least with a new symbol. Remember, Chaol wanted us to get to the point of creating a Genius, on-the-fly. When you really get them to popping for you, this is a valuable skill.
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"There" you've made an agreement with yourself "here"....In order for the integrity of "here", you've chosen to forget...
...

...Here you are (again)... are you starting to re-member?
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


Why would one break the agreement with...oneself?

Or, how would you know when the agreement has ended?

What will happen to the integrity of "here" when you will re-member?...
 Quoting: panoukos




How would you know there is an agreement?

If it is an agreement, where would it be made and when? Here or there......since everything is here. We spend almost as much of our experience in the Dream World as we do here, if not more.

Maybe all of this experience is a blink of an eye, a thought returning to Itself.

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For Ubuntu 13.04 you need to make a bootable DVD.
I'd stay away from making a bootable USB stick,tried to do that once but with mixed results; plus, I never got that to work on a mac.

Right now I got a PC-laptop I got for free (because the screen has got a big black line running through it). I have got to read around the line but for the rest it runs all modern OS'es (including Mac OS X... ;-) ).

Cinnamon is a window manager. A window manager is just a way to interact graphically with the operating system and is actually just a piece of software.

Here is a great starting point for installing Ubuntu on a Macbook Pro:
[link to help.ubuntu.com (secure)]
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Right. I think my optical drive has dust, it gives me an error. Will have to get a cleaner or another blank DVD.

My MBP is now considered "vintage" :( Though still very sleek and running perfectly. Unfortunately, there is no data available for my model on the MacBookPro help page. Some say it's 32 bit, but having an Intel Core 2 Duo processor, it should be 64 bit.

I will try with the bootable DVD (though some have tried it and it still doesn't work, they say). For now, I am cleaning up the hard drive from old junk, which may very well be related to the ever-recreating clutter at home.

Soon, I will try both the 32 and 64 versions of Ubuntu on a DVD and let you know of any success with it.

Which version of Ubuntu did you install?
 Quoting: Ambra 42662642


Again, I didn't install on a MacBook right now. But my advice would be to stay with the 32 bit versions, especially if you have older hardware. Good luck!
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I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.

But first, a synopsis of the elements.

Symbol - a representation of anything else

Interaction - when a symbol (including yourself) relates with an other symbol

Possibility - the potential energy of a symbol (without interaction of any kind)

Logic - structure or order of any kind

(for your reference, see [link to ecsys.org] )

Expanded Perspective Exercise

As an exercise we will take one of the above elements (as it seems in our perspective) and remove the other elements that enable it to form your reality.

Let's say that I have a symbol; an old coin that my grandfather gave me. (A symbol can be anything. Everything that you can sense is a symbol. It need not have a special meaning.)

For us to expand our perspective in this exercise means that you are realizing how it is a value of your perspective, not a separate thing outside of who you are. We can do this exercise with one thing, move on to other things, and then eventually feel more at ease with expanding our perspective to include more of what we are (everything in it, and without it).

As we reconnect we first get an idea for how the other elements work with the symbol. This means identifying, from your perspective, how it Interacts, where its Possibilities converge, and what its Logic is.

We may realize that no one else interacts with it. However, keep in mind that interaction is about perspective rather than people. If it's kept in the closet then it is also interacting with the other items in the closet and its environment, because it has developed a relationship with those things. It also interacts with other similar coins because that may be how you value it, even if those coins are nowhere near its physical space. Farther, we keep it in the closet in a small plastic envelope (possibility and potential energy; or its "space" if that suits you better). For logic, every year around Christmas (when grandpa gave it to us) we take it out and polish it.

To expand your perspective, change the values of the elements. When you change the values you are not only changing your relationship with that thing but seeing how expansive your perspective really is.

Interaction - change its relationships with other things.

Possibility - change the space in which it rests. Take it out of its plastic envelope and find a new home for it.

Logic - Change or create a new structure for it.

The above exercise is actually quite simple. You take an element (any element of the 4), define the other 3 elements around it, and change the values of those elements.

If your chosen thing is of the logic element then edit its symbol, possibilities, and interaction. If it's of the potential energy (possibility) element then play around with its logic, interaction, and symbol. Et cetera.

By doing this exercise you are expanding your own interpretation of the elements. When you do it for one thing in your reality you are learning how to do it for all, as there is no real difference between the two.

Eventually, you may be comfortable enough to do this automatically throughout the day. For example, you may find that when you look at your sun and realize its elements you can actually become it.

Time and space will then be just references for you. You'll perceive less separation between you and 'anything else'. There will be much less limit to what you can perceive (and do) because you will have more conscious influence about your perspective.

Hope this helps. This is still 'basic' (though not very basic) but it may prove valuable to many of you, if done.

Let me know if something can be clarified.
 Quoting: Chaol


Could I be possibly be pointed out to where Chaol mentioned it?
 Quoting: Ambra 42662642


Is this what you were referring to, Ambra?

I find this exercise very inspiring, still. Although I did some work on it, I don't fully understand it. Anyone fancy trying it again? Chaol makes it sound so promising!
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I'll leave the blog up but there won't be any new additions, starting in about a week.

Neo said August 28th for the nexus coming up, correct?

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Interesting eh?
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many people think that dimensions are achieved or spawned or realized through extension, or movement in a new direction
this is incorrect
dimensional phenomena is the result of relationships, and specifically feedbackloop relationships. or in other words, something in relation to itself
this is similar to math theory or philosophy wherein nothing, or the empty set, or zero, when considered, becomes something, altogether, in itself. Thus there is something, and it is nothing. Likewise, there is necessarily a set which could be said to contain the empty set, also known as zero. Thus the set of the empty set is actually the concept of the number 1. And 2 is merely the set of the set of the empty set known as one, and so forth goes all mathematical phenomena.
Applying this to dimensional theory we see that what is said to be the zero-th dimension is but a point
Another point, in whatever direction actually necessistates a dimension, and it is known as a line. Thus, it could be said, merely understanding a point's relationship to a point results in the concept of a line, which is the first dimension.
Likewise, a line's relationship to another line, even if parallel necessitates the second dimension which is known as a plane.
Contort the plane however you want in the third, and you will never necessitate the third dimension. Rather once you consider another plane, well then you have your third dimension. It is called a space.

And this is where the buck stops for most people before they begin to postulate what persists beyond this point. Three dimensions and no more, say some. Others come up with irrational or illogical shapes and call it a dimension. This is due to the fact that they think in terms of extension, which is working backwards, which you will see.

Space is everywhere, so one cannot extend in the traditional sense. So when you relate a space to another space, what you now have is a concept which can best be described by the following: a partition, a density, a shape, an amount, but the best way to describe this is an object. Seems simple right? So let's continue. Thus the fourth dimension is spacial density, or better known as an object.

When an object is related to another object we have a new concept known as something very much like time. If only one object exists in space, it cannot be said to be moving, nor can it be said to be anywhere at all. It is completely static. However, relate that object to another object, and a relative position can be drawn, and so can it be said that anything is "occurring" since a change in relationship is said to be a progression of time. Thus the fifth dimension is time, or better: a relationship between objects.

When a relationship between objects is related to a relationship between objects, what we now have is a complexity, or better known as a system. Just one more object, in fact, necesitates two different relationships between all parties. Our bodies are not merely objects, for instance, but systems. Indeed, our solar system, which is a relationship between all the local celestial bodies is exactly that: a system. Thus the sixth dimension is system.

When a system is related to another system, we have a grand system, or an organization, or in other words an abstract concept, or better known as a metaphysical entity. These are varied and are referred to daily in common tongue. A baseball game is a metaphysical entity because it requires the interworking of players which themselves are systems. In fact, elements of a grand system are not referred to as systems, but rather they are known as "subsystems" or "organs". Consciousness and the abstract concept of the self are described, not as objects which "exist" (so to speak) in the "real world", but are said to be abstract notions. Thus the seventh dimension is known as an organization or metaphysical or abstraction.

When a system is related to another system, we get relationships which consist of subsystems relating to their own systems, and grand systems relating to another grand system's subsystems, and so forth. This is known as attribution, category, subsystemization, property possession, employ, or patronage. This is not unknown or difficult to conceive. For instance, a baseball game is a system, but it is a relationship (known as a struggle) between two subsystems known as baseball teams which possess different properties. The baseball game is said to be won by whatever team wins, and thus there is a relationship between the subsystems and the system itself. But this can be extrapolated upon thusly: a player might be paid off to sabotage and throw the game for the other team. Thus that player is not actually a member of the team he is dressed for, but is actually a member of the other team by virtue of his relationship to the intended outcome of the game, or, in other words, his relationship to the grand system via possession of attributes possessed by the other team. Likewise, attributes are similarly described as relationships to grand systems. If I have the property of red hair, then I am a subsystem within the abstract concept of red hair. If I dye my hair I am a subsystem of the category of red haired people who dyed their hair, and on and on. A subsystem is essentially a property. An entire person can be a subsystem, and thus an entire person can be a property, like that of a property of a team of persons being a memeber of said team. In fact any random person, is actually a member of many different abstract concepts (or grand systems) since they contain many different properties. Indeed, the conept of identity is for any two things to be said to possess all the same properties. Thus it is said not to be two, but one. This relationships between properties and subsystems is best related to the concepts presented in polytheism. For instance, using red hair again, redheads born in ancient egypt were once burned alive because they were said to possess the attribute which was possessed by the Egyptian god of foreigners: Set. Thus the system of red hair is a patron of those subsystem who possess that property. Thus the eighth dimension is property or patronage.

The ninth dimension is relationships between all properties and all patrons. It is, essentially, a relationship between everything scaled up and down in scope. This results in the ultimate system. This results something similar to conceptions of perfection, necessity, and existence. The ninth dimension is known as the funciton of everything.

The tenth relationship is a relationship between everything and not everything. It is known as something similar to morality, or behavior, or virtue, or wisdom.
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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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TPTB=Where I hide that I cling to physicality

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TPTB=Where I hide that I cling to physicality

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"Yes, we scan" lol
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Again, I didn't install on a MacBook right now. But my advice would be to stay with the 32 bit versions, especially if you have older hardware. Good luck!
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Yes, I will try the 32 bit. It may take a little while longer, before I attempt going crazy again, trying to install it.

I understand that you did not install it on a Mac, I was just wondering if you are using 13.04 or a prior more stable version.
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I believe you can use the following exercise for a more advanced illustration of Ecsys.

[snips]
 Quoting: Chaol


Could I be possibly be pointed out to where Chaol mentioned it?
 Quoting: Ambra 42662642


Is this what you were referring to, Ambra?

I find this exercise very inspiring, still. Although I did some work on it, I don't fully understand it. Anyone fancy trying it again? Chaol makes it sound so promising!
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Thank you, Marshwiggle.
Sorry, I was away and sidetracked for a couple of days.

I do recall that exercise, though I don't fully grasp it either. I remember that I moved a beeswax owl from the shelf on the fireplace to the bathroom, but nothing notable emerged and after a long while it went back to the original place. I was trying to keep the symbol and change the possibility/interaction, though I don't think I did anything with a different logic.

This exercise, though, doesn't seem to apply to what was being said about making changes when a Genius delivers something.

Incidentally, I found myself skipping the logic for my two Geniuses lately, forgetting about it... Maybe it's time for two new symbols...


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