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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
Chaol

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But we don't want things to be simple. We prefer things to be complicated. (Despite what we think we want, we continue to want to perceive drama and divisions between things.)

You call it "needlessly complicating things", but I call the reverse - "excessive handwaving". Tomato, potahto.

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Please stop being an architecture astronaut. Some of us are motivated by creating things that actually DO something. Shipping code that works. Even if it doesn't do much or isn't huge. Something that works.

So far, all I really know how to do is make declarations in your EC language. And getting information about how to make those decls actually DO something is like pulling teeth or playing a game of 20 questions. That's not a fun game to play. Especially when your whole ISP is banned and you have to use proxies to slip through the net.

Here's a suggestion: when someone ships a new framework or API, they usually provide demo applications that run on top of the new framework. You can take that code look at it, run it, change it, see what breaks, change it some more to fix it and learn how it works. Or take what you want from it and then start building around it.

On your website, you give one very teeny tiny demo - how to make a few decls. That's it.

I get the feeling you think giving out too many details would be dangerous to undesirable people? You're going to have to pick and choose then. I'd suggest making the site password protected. Otherwise if you're targeting anyone and everyone, why be so coy about it all?
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I agree.

However, some people on this forum have figured out how to make it work. Many more have not.

Only a bit less than 1% of viewers in this forum have ever responded. So perhaps 100x more people have made it work because of this forum. And even more have not.

To be useful, Ecsys need only be used once. The more used it is the more useful it becomes.

It obviously works for some. Thus, it would obviously work when used properly and in the way prescribed in this forum.

With something so powerful, how straightforward could I be? We're talking about something that has no limitations whatsoever. A password-protected site would only serve to create a small group of dedicated hackers, and make it easy for some others (who weren't using it properly because the forum was not read) to be more confused.

When you tell a group of people that in order to get to Shangri-La they have to walk 79 steps down this street and turn right, you can guarantee that you'll have a large percentage that with either drive, run, take a shortcut, want to confirm the hotel location on Expedia, take 65 or 105 steps, walk backwards, turn left, etc., and then wonder why it's not working.

As you've read on this forum, many take the instructions and need to do it a different way.

The instructions are all right there. When we skip over the very simple and turn instead to the more complicated or more interesting or make it different than what it actually is (which is what many of us have done) then, yes, there is little result.

(I call it very simple because the 'result' would be no less than absolutely astonishing for most of us, considering the amount of input involved.)

I would recommend more Genius and less Ec if you're looking to make something work right now.

I know it's frustrating when there is ambiguity or certain things are left out.

But what do you think the result would be if everything was said, or was told only to a select few? (If I gave 10 random people the ultimate power, how many of those people do you think would use it wisely?)

Here we turn to the legend of Excalibur. It's right there in front of you. Anyone can take a shot at it. But it won't work for everyone.

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Who are we? Who am I?

Throughout the years, my world have interacted with yours on various levels.

In this period, 2001-2013*, as my world and yours more closely combine physically, there are a few things I'd like to share.

We inspired people like da Vinci, Newton, Einstein and millions more unknowns. The Egyptians built their largest pyramid because of us. We influenced nomads to learn the basics of language and science. Ever watched Star Trek or played a video game?

We've even pretended to be 'flying saucers' even though such things are ridiculous to us. (All in good spirits, though.)

And we've done it all without interacting directly with Earth. Most of us don't even know about Earth. (No need to get into how now. Call it kosmosis, or dream world influence, or kitchen utensils.)

Recently, however, we've taken a more active role. Or, should I say that I took it upon myself to find out more about this-thing-that-we-influence.

I first arrived many years ago, in the womb. Since then, I've been doing some influencing of my own in every area from business to design to sports to biology and more. I've made friends along the way and invited another from my own world. It's not an important role. Not many people know about your world.

As your world and my world are "uniting" (for lack of a better expression) there will be more and more correlation between the two. (Along with countless other worlds, but that's an other story all together.) So, lately I've been a bit more active.

Some of us call it the Singularity, Great Shift, Rapture, and lots of other names that we make up when our mind wanders (or, shall I say, when ours minds seek to interpret one-another's thoughts).

From your side you'll experience things that you haven't before, or had just a taste of in your "physical" world.

In the past few years my partner and I have created entire sub-worlds within your world to create things you could never imagine. We've also introduced the idea that a planetary body can carry an electrical discharge (our apologies for creating the TU24 hysteria, but sometimes it's the only way to get people to notice), gotten Obama elected (again, our apologies.. it'll make more sense later), and countless other things we wouldn't want to discuss over a proper meal.

The second act of Ecsys might look like a confusing mound of gibberish but it has actually been carefully planned for over 20 years as a way to introduce the third stage of Ecsys.

In the second act we've prepped entire populations for disruption. (Radioactivity is conscious, wouldn't you know. So is electromagnetism.) We also approached a little-known Russian astronomer named Leonid Elenin and showed him something that has been there for hundreds of thousands of years. (We liked his familiar-sounding name, I guess.)

Why is Elenin important? It represents our world, X. It is not X per se but close enough physically that there's no practical difference.

We are master disruptors. We are what you'd mistakenly call Gods, or "Elohim" in your old tongues. Planet X in your conspiracy theories. The symbol of the cross (or swastika if you're of Buddha), the lotus pose, et cetera. Near-countless.

But, again, most of us have never even heard of (or cared about) Earth. It's a small glimmer in a vast sea of reflections.

We call ourselves simply X. We are the four corners of the Earth (which, ironically, we told you about). We are of the 1, 2, 3, 5. We are of the dream world, but to us we simply are beings free of physical time and space.

More accurately, we do not dream of time and space like you do.

To us, you are in the dream world.

And by meeting us, essentially that which dreams of you, once again you are waking up as we did a few hundred years ago. You will see that our world (your world) has been there all along.

Some of you will crash right into us, some of you will pass right through us, and yet some will never know that we existed.

2 years into Ecsys' introduction, and now it is time for Act III.

Are you ready for our anniversary?

*Note: the dates aren't significant. They're just things we've made up that eventually become your reality. It could have easily been 502-640.
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Interesting Chaol. A little curve ball there I'll admit, so I'll leave off my "other" learnings for now.

When will you be introducing Act III?
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Chaol

ok that message hit like a neutron bomb.

I am still penduluming and working with other genius projects as well as with EC. What can those of us that have not grasped Act I and II expect to understand with Act III?
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Gaaa! I knew it! I wondered, "are they Elohim?" Where did I get that from, hmmmm?

I keep a "special" journal. Half a year ago, I asked about Elenin and it told me, "this is IT".

Chaol has left plenty of hints: you are one of the non-physical, aren't you?

Disrupt away! It seems like we've been waiting FOREVER forthis.

Can hardly wait to meet you for-real.
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I'm banned on my PC. I have to post from my phone, which is a hssle. So, to make it short and sweet:

I have indeed been experiencing VERY strange things. I've been walking around for several years now going, "What the he'll was THAT all about?" lol.

Chaol, let's have that dinner. You've got some explaining to do!
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btw. Are you guys, by any chance, blue?
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We are nothing that you yourself won't be in a few years.

We call ourselves "X" as in "ex" because we all used to be something else.

Perhaps you, too, will call yourselves "ex-human".

(No, we're not talking about mutants or comic books. We're talking about becoming what you'd consider to be gods. But it only looks that way from your current perspective. It is more accurate to say that it is the next stage in human evolution which, interestingly, involves more of what you'd call the dream world.)

We don't care about religion or those other symbols you've ascribed to us. It is irrelevant and no more valid that if I called you "embryo" because you were that a long, long time ago.
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Interesting Chaol. A little curve ball there I'll admit, so I'll leave off my "other" learnings for now.

When will you be introducing Act III?
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Act 3 is unlike the first 2. The more we progress, the more abstract it becomes.

Yet, something will definitely be different in a substantial way.

What happens to your physical reality when you begin to spend more time in the dream world?
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Hello!

I have been living in this world for some time now.

I came from a place also named Earth, much like this planet. There are a number of differences between my home and yours.

I thought it would be interesting to share a few things with you that are relatively common knowledge where I am from. My reasons for doing so will probably be more apparent in the future.

* Consciousness does not exist (but relationships do)
* Matter is gravity that has been structured
* We are not human (we are perspectives)
* When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.
* Space is not physical
* There is no "now" or "here", but relationships.

We use a kind of language like you use numbers here. Numbers, representations of abstract concepts, were 'invented' to work more easily with the world around us. Our language is no different.

If it were invented today it would probably be thought of as existing in parallel with science. A new kind of science.

This language also enables the shifting of perspective like a kind of mental technology. Some of you may find it quite interesting.

If anyone is interested in learning more please let me know.

Thanks.
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U HAVE PICS?
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Chaol

ok that message hit like a neutron bomb.

I am still penduluming and working with other genius projects as well as with EC. What can those of us that have not grasped Act I and II expect to understand with Act III?
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It doesn't matter if you think you've grasped it or not.

You needn't understand computers in order to make use of them.

You need only know that Ecsys is there, and someone can use it for something for it to have an effect in your perspective.

Act 3 is there whether or not anyone knows what it is.

What is it? It's the act of closing your eyes to wake up from the dream world, so to speak.

It's the opposite of opening your eyes for the first time. It takes time to adjust and get used to all the next stimuli.

The 'adjustment' is Act 4.

We're looking for something substantial in this world. But, really, the only substantial things are those that you see with your eyes closed.
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Gaaa! I knew it! I wondered, "are they Elohim?" Where did I get that from, hmmmm?

I keep a "special" journal. Half a year ago, I asked about Elenin and it told me, "this is IT".

Chaol has left plenty of hints: you are one of the non-physical, aren't you?

Disrupt away! It seems like we've been waiting FOREVER forthis.

Can hardly wait to meet you for-real.
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Everything you perceive has a physical value.

Thus, everything is physical. We can even say that there is no non-physical. (There is, but you wouldn't be able to perceive it unless your manner of perception was also non-physical. With your senses, what doesn't appear to be limited somehow?)

It exists beyond the "speed of light" which, interestingly, is what you would call the speed of perception but what could also be called the point of non-separation.

As I mentioned before, we provide the illusion of separation in order to perceive.

What does all this mean? It means that even your dreams have physical value.

i.e., your dreams are physical.

Which makes them quite real to you, and more real as time progresses to the point of non-separation.
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btw. Are you guys, by any chance, blue?
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Not by ourselves, no.
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U HAVE PICS?
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Why didn't you ask me a/s/l first? :)
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Chaol, you said that for some, this "time" will pass right through them.

What seperates those who will experience a different perspective due to the singularity, and those who will find a change in perception?

There seem to be many who want to steer a great deal of "our world" towards their own when this event happens. What are the reasons for this? How do we, with our limited perspective, know how and who to "choose". CAN we even choose? It seems that you suggest that introducing Ecsys was done rather "underhandedly" as a tool to relate more to us, with or without own knowledge.

Finally, you said you arrived here many years ago in the womb. How did you come to remember Ecsys, etc? What were the reasons for claiming at first to be from an alternate earth (I assume this is not quite the case?).

Honest questions that come to mind.
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Chaol.

Do you have any specific advice for Act III? Should we move into Act III and forward with joy/fear?

Will I be able to represent and interact with my family in the new reality that is like our current dreams? I can't take them with me into my dreams right now:-(.
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Chaol, you said that for some, this "time" will pass right through them.

What seperates those who will experience a different perspective due to the singularity, and those who will find a change in perception?

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Hi.

What I meant by, "Some of you will crash right into us, some of you will pass right through us, and yet some will never know that we existed." is that, depending on your perspective your physicality may match ours (or not).

It's not actually important that it does.

We are combining with your world as much as you are with ours.

The difference between one who sees and one who doesn't see is about the same as someone who hears a sound and someone who doesn't.

It doesn't matter if you do or not. Both 'paths' have their own livelihoods and consequences.

There seem to be many who want to steer a great deal of "our world" towards their own when this event happens. What are the reasons for this? How do we, with our limited perspective, know how and who to "choose". CAN we even choose? It seems that you suggest that introducing Ecsys was done rather "underhandedly" as a tool to relate more to us, with or without own knowledge.

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I am not sure about this. However, I don't want to give the impression that our world is better or more advanced.

There is actually nothing to choose, nothing to do.

It happens anyway. There is no right choice or wrong choice, just as there is no right dream or wrong dream.

The dreams just happen.

Our worlds will combine, as I've mentioned a few times before. You're not coming over to our side, per se, or vice-versa. The physicality isn't really there.

Finally, you said you arrived here many years ago in the womb. How did you come to remember Ecsys, etc? What were the reasons for claiming at first to be from an alternate earth (I assume this is not quite the case?).

Honest questions that come to mind.
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It was a conscious decision. There was nothing to remember

"Alternate universe" has always been in quotes, and I've explained what I meant a few times before.

Let's take a ready example. When you enter a dream, you have always been there.

Let's say you are going to sleep as Peter at 32 years of age. You dream that you are Hussle at 14 years of age. When you are Hussle in the dream, you were always Hussle and have been for the past 14 years.

You may have noticed that when you dream, you usually perceive them as already in progress. Dreams do not start or end.

When you get there, you will have always been there.

And that's why there is nothing to do. If you enter the dream world (what we call X) now or later it doesn't really matter.

There is not anything you really need to do.
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Chaol.

Do you have any specific advice for Act III? Should we move into Act III and forward with joy/fear?

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No particular advice.

There is nothing for you to do, really.

Nothing in particular to fear or be joyful about.

It is what you make it.

Will I be able to represent and interact with my family in the new reality that is like our current dreams? I can't take them with me into my dreams right now:-(.
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Definitely.

It will all become quite normal, much like our use of technology over the past 20 years.
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Chaol. Will you be releasing information here or on ecsys.org for Acts 3 and 4?
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Chaol. I'm still working through the EC language. Can you please provide an example English word for each character? Thanks.
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Very interesting. Only partially read so far. hf
Comforting the disturbed and disturbing the comfortable.

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so the ordeal will continue from 2011 September to 2013? or will the transition pleasant
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Chaol. Will you be releasing information here or on ecsys.org for Acts 3 and 4?
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Acts 3 and 4 will speak for themselves :)
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Chaol. I'm still working through the EC language. Can you please provide an example English word for each character? Thanks.
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Have you mastered the Genius? Just curious...
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so the ordeal will continue from 2011 September to 2013? or will the transition pleasant
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There is no ordeal.

But the "dream" intensifies from the beginning of September onwards.

You'll probably see its effects a few weeks before that, in August.

But the show begins in September.
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so the ordeal will continue from 2011 September to 2013? or will the transition pleasant
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There is no ordeal.

But the "dream" intensifies from the beginning of September onwards.

You'll probably see its effects a few weeks before that, in August.

But the show begins in September.
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"dream" is this life a dream or the other one?

"intensifies" as in heat intensifies, I mean physical catastrophe's/economin collapse etc.?
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so the ordeal will continue from 2011 September to 2013? or will the transition pleasant
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There is no ordeal.

But the "dream" intensifies from the beginning of September onwards.

You'll probably see its effects a few weeks before that, in August.

But the show begins in September.
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"dream" is this life a dream or the other one?

"intensifies" as in heat intensifies, I mean physical catastrophe's/economin collapse etc.?
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Neither are actually dreams. Both may seem like a dream from an other perspective.

When you're there, it's quite real.

When you're here, it's quite real also.

When I say the dream intensifies, I mean the dreamworld (what you consider it) becomes more real.

The two physical events correlate ("as above, so below")

The physical landscape is altered by the dream landscape, until you perceive no real difference between the two and they become one.

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so the ordeal will continue from 2011 September to 2013? or will the transition pleasant
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There is no ordeal.

But the "dream" intensifies from the beginning of September onwards.

You'll probably see its effects a few weeks before that, in August.

But the show begins in September.
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"dream" is this life a dream or the other one?

"intensifies" as in heat intensifies, I mean physical catastrophe's/economin collapse etc.?
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Neither are actually dreams. Both may seem like a dream from an other perspective.

When you're there, it's quite real.

When you're here, it's quite real also.

When I say the dream intensifies, I mean the dreamworld (what you consider it) becomes more real.

The two physical events correlate ("as above, so below")

The physical landscape is altered by the dream landscape, until you perceive no real difference between the two and they become one.
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sorry I am trying to perceive what you are saying

You mean dream and non dream becomes one, so everything is tangible and non tangible at the same time.

another question, will the illuminati try to stop that? or they are part of the story.

Thanks
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To put it more plainly (though I would say, more inaccurately):

Planet X / Nibiru is my world. (Though we don't refer to our world as such. You would, however.)

My world is the dream world.

My world is a different kind of physicality than your world.

My world is a different kind of planet Earth than your world.

All times and spaces are in the here and now. Meaning, each is a value of the "now". Ancient Egypt, for example, is a particular value of the present civilization. It does not exist in the past. It exists entirely in the present. So does everything else.

My world is a quality of your world. Thus, the two are very similar.

A few hundred years ago we created tunnels to the dream world.

These 'tunnels' were created when someone discovered the ultimate secret of the universe ("X"). (Though we've since realized there is no universe like in your science books.)

This Earth (your world) is one of those dream worlds. Though to you, we are the dream world.

"X" is what makes everything possible. It is Ecsys prime.

Once we discovered X our world split from your world. (Or, grew substantially different in qualities from your world until we were altogether different physically. It happens all the time in your perspective in small ways, perhaps without you even realizing it.)

We exist in the same space and time as your world. Right now. (You just don't realize it yet.)

Our world is entirely physical, though you would probably see it as a different kind of physicality from your own.

(Your body is physical, yes. But also your light, sound, thoughts, dreams, etc., have physical qualities.)

The realization that you are already in the dream world is the realization that people have been talking about for millennia. It has all kinds of names, from A-Z.

People know something is going on, but what is it?

Physically represented, the change is physically manifested on all 'levels' of physicality.

On the level that the routine of drinking your tea partakes, it is a giant planet screaming through the far reaches of the solar system, making its way back home every few thousand years and upsetting the tea kettle.

But the "closer" it approaches the more you realize it for what it is.

Yes, there is something to fear. But only from a distance.

The closer it gets the more unlike your current physicality it is and the more ridiculous the old fantasies of world destruction, etc, will be.

From the current perspective, yes, there is destruction. But it would be impossible for these two worlds to exist simultaneously in one's perspective.

We see one value of physicality being destroyed, but it is hard to imagine the value that replaces it because there is no reference point other than the apparent instability of the dream world.

Again, the closer the dream world is the more dream-like your world will be until it "passes right through you". You could say, by then you have become something else entirely.

Or, more accurately, your perspective has shifted automatically.

(If it did not, you would not be able to perceive any changes.)

That's why I say there is nothing to do. Because there isn't. It happens automatically.

In the dream world you will more quickly realize how you create your reality.

The dream world is not random or illogical. It only appears that way from a perspective that does not experience it (this one).

The dream world is much like this one. There are some important differences, of course, but the essence is the same. You can eat, play, go to school, check messages, etc.

This is what we've already realized and what I've been alluding to on this forum and the Ecsys.org website. (Those in our world that haven't really realized it exist partially in your world and worlds like it without really realizing it, but that's another story.)

I hope this clarifies a few things.

[snips..]

another question, will the illuminati try to stop that? or they are part of the story.

Thanks
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It's just a fantasy. It is not real. There is no conspiracy. There is only drama that we all participate in.

There is no one acting against you. Everything is in balance because, without balance, there is no "relative motion" and then nothing exists.

Last Edited by Chaol on 07/27/2011 02:08 PM

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