Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Fox.

Part of my perspective is there already, I am very aware of the shady deals happening throughout the lobby.
The amazing futuristic bubble bronco machine timing contest, seeing how long peoples avatars can stay clung.
I'm aware of an awesome cinema room open all hours of MC5 from what I can tell, big ass screen, casually busy not to crowded not to busy.
The elevators are a godsend after you realise how nonstop the stairs are!
So much more, i Love the holographic role playing game simulation, sort of like world of warcraft quest by the game master, awesome really. The 3 big golden ladies and gates bouncy session for anyone with a strong link to that session.
I love the swimming pools and games they play to keep everyone amused.
And last but not least, the amazing halls of learning!

Hello and long time no speak!

Shout out everyone doing their thing! Keep going, how beautiful creation is.

Ultimately it is Nothing, but it looks like it takes 4 elements to make an illusion out of Nothing.

Thank you for sharing, 007! :)

Very well said!

So if I understand it correctly, out of Nothing sOMETHING?

Yes.

The 'something" is an illusion formed from the relationship between other illusions.

A line from the new book: "Reality is the intersection of two illusions, chaos and order, that forms a harmonious relationship that is perceived as being real."

We are not able to perceive something by itself, only in relation to something else. But that something else can only be perceived in relationship to something else, and so on.

I've about 30-40 pages on this in the book, so hopefully it will be a bit more clear as we go along.

Last Edited by Chaon on 02/04/2015 02:41 AM

Thank you. Looking forward to it.

I finally acquired and read Robert Monroe's "Journeys out of the body" and "Far Journeys" back to back...

His experiences (OOB) contrast considerably with mine... this leads me to believe that no two individuals will report experience "out of body" and the "geography" of the "outer reality" in the same way.

Do any of you lucid dream or OOB? I can't help but feel as if those states are very relevant to Chaol's "teachings."

All the Monroe books have been read by my self.

I own his discovery set of the audio tapes(obv in mp3), very very beneficial to anyone who has spare money to invest in their teaching.

My honest opinion is that they are very relevant.

To many experiences to share, just be careful if your actually not used to seeing 12ft statues in front of your eyes.

Do you mean in that we do dream travels together?

I feel all experiences reflect our belief system so, to me, it's no surprise that yours differ from Robert Monroe. The only discrepancy to my theory that I've found, so far, are NDE's. A few people report meeting Christ in an NDE and had never heard of Him. It could be explained that He is an archetype in their subconscious, imo.

All I know is all my experiences have reflected my belief system at the time. That's the good thing about not making up your mind. It's easy to see that experiences reflect beliefs.

I've read all his books years ago,
Yes I've been projecting (on and off) for 6 years now... Lucid dreaming a lot lately though.
How does your experience differ?

I think Etheric Projections are exactly alike, people lose the framework when they confuse it with lucid dreaming, or any of the other 5+ types of projections.

Has anybody created space for the book yet?

Do you have a folder where you'll store it on your P'EC?

Somewhere on your shelf if it's the hardcover?


Structure on how and when you're going to read it and how frequently?

Would it take more or less perspectives in your narrative to get to where you want to perceive if you use the genius like you do your body?

I think part of the reason why Mindcraft took off so rapidly is because of the capacity chaom created with the open-dreamworld landscape where anything goes..

Look how the Chinese multiply. This blew my mind, lol!
Intersections, anybody?

I interact with him so I haven't done any of the above.

Have you done any of these things?

I read those too. Loved his writing style.
Unfortunately no OOBs here.
I did have a few strange dreams and sleep paralysis experiences though.


Had some of his Hemisync cds to but they didnt quite work as I analyze the sounds too much in my head, I guess.

Some of his Hemisync are on YouTube. I don't know if they carry the same quality as the cd's though.

Yes it started with the email to you.

The structure however will mostly depend on the composition of the material. I have a flow...

I found projection is relatively easy once you know how to relax, right after you learn how to "sense" .. I suppose it would be more natural to a Mutable sign, that which is Air. Such as a Gemini. As I am.

The sleep paralysis is a good sign, it helps to "focus-off-to-the-side" as they say, detach or be passive.. Any tension will make the Ethereal dense.

I've only been lucid dreaming and OOB (on the regular) since around the time I started frequenting these threads.

He (Bob Monroe) often interacts with "entities" that he is confident are "not" him. No matter where I go, or what I do, I cannot shake the vibe that all others lack agency...
Like in a lucid dream, but more structured and less instantly affected/malleable, it is as if everything is animated by my intent/expectation... Either that... or when I am "out there" I have very good precognitive ability that allows me to know what will happen... yielding the expectation and intent then the observation that was expected.

I have never had any help (although I welcome it). No help/assistance/guidance getting out of body, no grabbing, pulling, guiding hands or travel guides to cool experiences/locals... I seem to be pretty good at getting killed out there and so far, nothing ever comes to help.... From being chewed up(many times), crushed, disintegrated, trapped(for what felt like years), hunted(more often than I can recall), slashed, and torn a part... In hindsight, I have come to rationalize that I have become better for it... perhaps that's the quality of guidance I deserve(intend?/prefer?)... it's become harder and harder to kill me and I now fear very little out there...

So far... all the guidance I get, I get "here" in this realm... Alan Watts, Terence McKenna, Seth (Jane Roberts), Joseph Campbell, Rom Das, Thomas Campbell, Chaol(and my friends here), etc... and now Robert Monroe... but the guidance feels hollow... or distant and generic... as if it were not "meant" for me or it dances around a joke but never delivers a punch line.

Ordoz,do you have any reading suggestions to delve deeper into the "5+ types of projection" you've described?

Why do you feel you need guidance for your own perspective?

Jesse, you've always been in the astral plane. Why don't you try Chaom's image (the golden morse code thing) and see if you end up in Emerald City for a change?

Why the need to be 'Guided' though? It's all You doing this...
In any case, if I would suggest a body of work - I would say, read everything by Robert Bruce. There's a treatise that'll have you well rounded off on everything.
You'll come to realize there's no need for the drama, the pendulum doesn't need to swing to extremes - you can push the envelope without even asserting force.
Remember: The best 'guide' is yourself & that everything (in projection) is meaningless until you ascribe meaning to it.

Why not stay open to help? We all help each other here, why not there?

Any time we study a book, we are getting help. :)

Last Edited by ERE3 on 02/05/2015 11:06 AM

Of course, we are not suggesting that help isn't needed, or could not be provided.

But sometimes it is good to bring the "why" in front of us to have a better idea of what the experience might mean.

If we say that each person seems to experience something differently, such as being "out of the body", then we should also assume that "guidance" means something different to each person.

When we work on defining a particular reality that we wish to experience (starting with "Why?", for example) then we are closer to experiencing it, and doing so in a more meaningful way.

I am on a sick leave, case of the flu.
So I listened to a youtube hemi sync track. Dont know if I had the right one, a voice kept saying every ten minutes or so: 'remind yourself of the task' (when I didnt set any) ;)

It was pretty relaxing, will try again tonight.

HELP is a Human Evolution Logical Process.
So you're helping yourself, when you read a book you're the one interpreting it how it pleases you - when you listen to a "guru" you're the one filtering his words so they may apply to you. It's still you doing this, why not focus more on doing it without the training wheels?
:)c

Curious. Did you use a good pair of headphones?

I used some seventies Sony headphones... Other than that I only got iPhone earphones.

Either way, it's an excellent demonstration of how a reality is formed from two illusions.