Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/10/2015 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because it's right there. I could hit you in the face with it and you still not see would it. it's so obvious that to those who do see it, it drives you crazy to see those that don't see it (99.99999% of man and woman). you would say I am crazy when it is you that is under the spell. Our every perception and experience can help us to understand our reality. But it is one thing to have an idea that "everything is an illusion" and another thing to understand how and why the illusion is there, and the amazing way that illusions beget our reality. If we say something like, "you would say I am crazy when it is you..." are we ignoring that the illusion of separation is there? Even if we increase our understanding a million-fold, there is still a lot more to understand. But, importantly, there may be nothing wrong with participating in the illusion, if illusions are all there is. Perhaps we need not understand the illusion at all, only interact with them. And so here we are, interacting with illusions in all manner of ways. There is no need to be impatient when time is part of the illusion. The understanding of how and why first requires a recognition of it. The statement was made for effect. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/10/2015 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we all have a story. the difference between you and I, is that you believe your story is true and I see mine for the lie it is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466 Is it possible that illusions could be a representation of what is "true"? And, if so, that we should not fault perspective for being unable to contain the entirety of "truth" but could, instead, learn to work with perspective to uncover the illusion? Something only seems to be a lie because we have compared it with something else. By saying one thing is a lie, we have presumed to know what "truth" is. I would say it is impossible for us to perceive "truth", so therefore lies do not exist. What we may call a lie or an illusion is very likely to be an illustration of what cannot be perceived (truth). Hopefully, we can begin to see that this illusion-within-the-illusion is actually the only way that we can perceive what is true. Illusions could be anything. That does not mean they are anything other than illusions. Lie is a proxy for something that has no definition. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/10/2015 11:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | because it's right there. I could hit you in the face with it and you still not see would it. it's so obvious that to those who do see it, it drives you crazy to see those that don't see it (99.99999% of man and woman). you would say I am crazy when it is you that is under the spell. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466 So what? Your attitude makes it undesirable. I think you're mad because you went about it the hard way and it pisses you off. You're not impatient with anyone but yourself. It is interesting to see such exchanges when you realize that we are actually talking to ourselves, i.e., another aspect of our perspective. It could also be said, "So what? My attitude makes it undesirable. I think I'm mad because I went about it the hard way and it pisses me off. I'm not impatient with anyone but myself." Ahh.. how vast the self is. Even the reality of our own hands seem to be another world entirely. Do we feel our heart actually breathing and giving us life, or do we just know it is there? How easy is it to think that what is not immediately relative to us is "not us". Yes and sometimes you need to turn the sword on yourself. |
ERE3 User ID: 51113205 United States 02/10/2015 11:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully we can illustrate the how of it all while at the same time maintaining integrity of the why. Quoting: Chaom There is, after all, a reason that the illusion of separation is there. And, for myself, illustrating the logic of why it is likely not unity or oneness, or even love, that we actually seek but a far greater concept that knows no bounds. Chaom, will all the above be in this first book? It will be there but you are unlikely to get the message. I have tried to be the finger pointing at the moon for you but you are more interested in your stories. Not-chaom. I appreciate that you want to help me but I have tried your path and it's not for me. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
ERE3 User ID: 51113205 United States 02/10/2015 11:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our every perception and experience can help us to understand our reality. Quoting: Chaom But it is one thing to have an idea that "everything is an illusion" and another thing to understand how and why the illusion is there, and the amazing way that illusions beget our reality. Chaol told us when we see how we create the illusion, then reality is had. I don't see anything wrong with that idea. Even if we increase our understanding a million-fold, there is still a lot more to understand. Quoting: Chaom That's the exciting part to me, that there is so much to learn. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
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ERE3 User ID: 51113205 United States 02/10/2015 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is interesting to see such exchanges when you realize that we are actually talking to ourselves, i.e., another aspect of our perspective. Quoting: Chaom It could also be said, "So what? My attitude makes it undesirable. I think I'm mad because I went about it the hard way and it pisses me off. I'm not impatient with anyone but myself." Ahh.. how vast the self is. Even the reality of our own hands seem to be another world entirely. Do we feel our heart actually breathing and giving us life, or do we just know it is there? How easy is it to think that what is not immediately relative to us is "not us". Oh, I got the message loud and clear what this exchange is about for me. And I agree, it's all about me, lol! "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/10/2015 11:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hopefully we can illustrate the how of it all while at the same time maintaining integrity of the why. Quoting: Chaom There is, after all, a reason that the illusion of separation is there. And, for myself, illustrating the logic of why it is likely not unity or oneness, or even love, that we actually seek but a far greater concept that knows no bounds. Chaom, will all the above be in this first book? It will be there but you are unlikely to get the message. I have tried to be the finger pointing at the moon for you but you are more interested in your stories. Not-chaom. I appreciate that you want to help me but I have tried your path and it's not for me. The post was not intended for you alone but it definitely was not one you could pass by without replying. The attraction was unstoppable. |
Chaom User ID: 67924079 Thailand 02/10/2015 11:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The understanding of how and why first requires a recognition of it. The statement was made for effect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 We won't get into the validity of cause and effect (considering the illusion of time) but if you agree that everything is a representation of something else then what is it we're recognizing? |
Chaom User ID: 67924079 Thailand 02/10/2015 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Illusions could be anything. That does not mean they are anything other than illusions. Lie is a proxy for something that has no definition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 A lie would imply that there is truth to be told. But let's take an example. Can you tell me one thing that you think is a "lie"? |
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Chaom User ID: 67924079 Thailand 02/11/2015 12:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will be there but you are unlikely to get the message. I have tried to be the finger pointing at the moon for you but you are more interested in your stories. Not-chaom. I appreciate that you want to help me but I have tried your path and it's not for me. The post was not intended for you alone but it definitely was not one you could pass by without replying. The attraction was unstoppable. Would you like to talk about what is really going on, or should we just leave it at that? |
ERE3 User ID: 51113205 United States 02/11/2015 12:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It will be there but you are unlikely to get the message. I have tried to be the finger pointing at the moon for you but you are more interested in your stories. Not-chaom. I appreciate that you want to help me but I have tried your path and it's not for me. The post was not intended for you alone but it definitely was not one you could pass by without replying. The attraction was unstoppable. So you notice I interact with all parts of myself! Good for you. "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/11/2015 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The understanding of how and why first requires a recognition of it. The statement was made for effect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 We won't get into the validity of cause and effect (considering the illusion of time) but if you agree that everything is a representation of something else then what is it we're recognizing? Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/11/2015 12:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 65389000 Canada 02/11/2015 12:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 It will be there but you are unlikely to get the message. I have tried to be the finger pointing at the moon for you but you are more interested in your stories. Not-chaom. I appreciate that you want to help me but I have tried your path and it's not for me. The post was not intended for you alone but it definitely was not one you could pass by without replying. The attraction was unstoppable. Would you like to talk about what is really going on, or should we just leave it at that? Let's contiune on what is really going on |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 66777011 United States 02/11/2015 12:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Illusions could be anything. That does not mean they are anything other than illusions. Lie is a proxy for something that has no definition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 A lie would imply that there is truth to be told. But let's take an example. Can you tell me one thing that you think is a "lie"? That human beings are a single consciousness per body. |
RE_LKing User ID: 61272890 United Kingdom 02/11/2015 05:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we all have a story. the difference between you and I, is that you believe your story is true and I see mine for the lie it is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466 Is it possible that illusions could be a representation of what is "true"? And, if so, that we should not fault perspective for being unable to contain the entirety of "truth" but could, instead, learn to work with perspective to uncover the illusion? Something only seems to be a lie because we have compared it with something else. By saying one thing is a lie, we have presumed to know what "truth" is. I would say it is impossible for us to perceive "truth", so therefore lies do not exist. What we may call a lie or an illusion is very likely to be an illustration of what cannot be perceived (truth). Hopefully, we can begin to see that this illusion-within-the-illusion is actually the only way that we can perceive what is true. That's that smart ass patience dismissing with funny truth logic and dumbfounded backwards opposition to say we can all go round in circles if you want to be a dick, or we can all just move forward. Your patience always astounded me, I'd of just said %&±£ you and moved onto the next post. To the Chaom! |
RE_LKing User ID: 61272890 United Kingdom 02/11/2015 06:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Truth is this-non what so ever. According to a BBC documentary they explained how a certain big european leader has maintained power for 15+ years by funding everyone, even the opposition, infiltrating their ranks and effectively controlling their party...let's say 7,000 years of a totalitarian heirachy later, what would of changed?? No mortal knows a damn thing, so we could all keep chasing the shadow trails left to confuse or focus on your own dreams, not the cryptic messages, what drives you on the inside to get the fcuk up in a morning and do what you need to do. |
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Chaom User ID: 67932005 Thailand 02/11/2015 07:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The understanding of how and why first requires a recognition of it. The statement was made for effect. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 We won't get into the validity of cause and effect (considering the illusion of time) but if you agree that everything is a representation of something else then what is it we're recognizing? Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived. So in what way can I not perceive my fingers type this? Can I perceive what I typed after I post? If time is an illusion, then so is cause and effect. |
Chaom User ID: 67932005 Thailand 02/11/2015 07:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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Chaom User ID: 67932005 Thailand 02/11/2015 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Illusions could be anything. That does not mean they are anything other than illusions. Lie is a proxy for something that has no definition. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000 A lie would imply that there is truth to be told. But let's take an example. Can you tell me one thing that you think is a "lie"? That human beings are a single consciousness per body. So where does this "lie" come from? Anyone or anywhere? Is it written in a book somewhere? |
Chaom User ID: 67932005 Thailand 02/11/2015 07:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | we all have a story. the difference between you and I, is that you believe your story is true and I see mine for the lie it is. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466 Is it possible that illusions could be a representation of what is "true"? And, if so, that we should not fault perspective for being unable to contain the entirety of "truth" but could, instead, learn to work with perspective to uncover the illusion? Something only seems to be a lie because we have compared it with something else. By saying one thing is a lie, we have presumed to know what "truth" is. I would say it is impossible for us to perceive "truth", so therefore lies do not exist. What we may call a lie or an illusion is very likely to be an illustration of what cannot be perceived (truth). Hopefully, we can begin to see that this illusion-within-the-illusion is actually the only way that we can perceive what is true. That's that smart ass patience dismissing with funny truth logic and dumbfounded backwards opposition to say we can all go round in circles if you want to be a dick, or we can all just move forward. Your patience always astounded me, I'd of just said %&±£ you and moved onto the next post. To the Chaom! We are all our own interpretations of the same thing. It is not difficult to have patience for ourselves :) |
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Chaom User ID: 67932005 Thailand 02/11/2015 07:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67927299 Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day. Chaol, the OP, is not coming back. But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean? |
MutantMessiah User ID: 66142427 United States 02/11/2015 07:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaom, Does "being" Chaol still feel like a dream you can't recall or has processing/synthesizing the material led to a kind of reintegration? I ask, because you seem (and I feel)... more "complete" lately. Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 67927299 Bosnia and Herzegovina 02/11/2015 07:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67927299 Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day. Chaol, the OP, is not coming back. But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean? If you are not a Demon, you cannot understand the question. |