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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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@OP

Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day.
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Chaol, the OP, is not coming back.

But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean?
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Actually you can, it is related to Time measure, different dimensions of time.

Demons understand different dimensions of time.
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Chaom,
Does "being" Chaol still feel like a dream you can't recall or has processing/synthesizing the material led to a kind of reintegration?

I ask, because you seem (and I feel)... more "complete" lately.
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I'm not sure, exactly.

It seems more like a distant memory now.

Am I becoming Chaol, or is Chaol me? I'm not sure what is going on, but it's an interesting ride.
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@OP

Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day.
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Chaol, the OP, is not coming back.

But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean?
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If you are not a Demon, you cannot understand the question.
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Why do you perceive demons?
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@OP

Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day.
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Chaol, the OP, is not coming back.

But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean?
 Quoting: Chaom


Actually you can, it is related to Time measure, different dimensions of time.

Demons understand different dimensions of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67927299


Is that in the demon handbook? I don't know anything about that.

But why do you think time has different dimensions?
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@OP

Explain me a day which is like a year, a day which is like a month, a day which is like a week, a day which is like a usual day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67927299


Chaol, the OP, is not coming back.

But if you would like me to answer, I would first need to understand your question. What do you mean?
 Quoting: Chaom


Actually you can, it is related to Time measure, different dimensions of time.

Demons understand different dimensions of time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 67927299


Is that in the demon handbook? I don't know anything about that.

But why do you think time has different dimensions?
 Quoting: Chaom


Do you think that earth revolves around the sun or is it maybe following it?

Do you think Earth is moving in eclipse or just going forward?

Have you heard for curved space?

How would time behave in curved space?
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Do you think that earth revolves around the sun or is it maybe following it?

Do you think Earth is moving in eclipse or just going forward?

Have you heard for curved space?

How would time behave in curved space?
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I suppose if you had asked me a year or two ago I would have something to say but for me now, knowing what I now know, the questions seem irrelevant.

It would be like asking, "If I poured a glass of milk and gave it to my uncle, would tomorrow be Thursday or Friday?"

The questions presume that certain realities exist, such as curved space, space, time, eclipsing, etc.

I can understand the concepts you are presenting but cannot provide answers in any way that might make sense in the context of the questions because my thinking has changed.
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The understanding of how and why first requires a recognition of it. The statement was made for effect.
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We won't get into the validity of cause and effect (considering the illusion of time) but if you agree that everything is a representation of something else then what is it we're recognizing?
 Quoting: Chaom


Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000


So in what way can I not perceive my fingers type this? Can I perceive what I typed after I post?

If time is an illusion, then so is cause and effect.
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
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Yes and sometimes you need to turn the sword on yourself.
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Illusions doing things with other illusions are still illusions, aren't they?

We are so distracted with doing things we forget what we are being.
 Quoting: Chaom


Turn the sword on being then and see how that fairs.
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Sorry, I don't know what that means.
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The sword can kill everything except what is (be-ing).
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Illusions doing things with other illusions are still illusions, aren't they?

We are so distracted with doing things we forget what we are being.
 Quoting: Chaom


Turn the sword on being then and see how that fairs.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000


Sorry, I don't know what that means.
 Quoting: Chaom


The sword can kill everything except what is (be-ing).
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In my opinion(always lite entertainment)
In this thread the sword is irrelevant unless you are using it in referenc to mean an ink based biro pen. Sarcasm isn't one of my strong points¤.

The shield what cannot let metal atoms through makes all metal attacks obsolete, the cowardice nature of a timid species would then lie down and do the absolute most to do the bare minimum whilst still expecting to be paid for doing nothing?
/end of rant. Wasn't at any of you guys. Much love
X.Ooo
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Would you like to talk about what is really going on, or should we just leave it at that?
 Quoting: Chaom


Let's contiune on what is really going on
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If there is one thing that you could understand or change, what would it be?
 Quoting: Chaom


I would choose to understand the how of the illusion.
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Turn the sword on being then and see how that fairs.
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Sorry, I don't know what that means.
 Quoting: Chaom


The sword can kill everything except what is (be-ing).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


In my opinion(always lite entertainment)
In this thread the sword is irrelevant unless you are using it in referenc to mean an ink based biro pen. Sarcasm isn't one of my strong points¤.

The shield what cannot let metal atoms through makes all metal attacks obsolete, the cowardice nature of a timid species would then lie down and do the absolute most to do the bare minimum whilst still expecting to be paid for doing nothing?
/end of rant. Wasn't at any of you guys. Much love
X.Ooo
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the sword is a representation of be-ing, so it is a metaphor for be-ing killing be-ing.
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Illusions could be anything. That does not mean they are anything other than illusions. Lie is a proxy for something that has no definition.
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A lie would imply that there is truth to be told.

But let's take an example. Can you tell me one thing that you think is a "lie"?
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That human beings are a single consciousness per body.
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So where does this "lie" come from? Anyone or anywhere? Is it written in a book somewhere?
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That's an odd question. It comes in the form of a false belief. Origin unknown.
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Would you like to talk about what is really going on, or should we just leave it at that?
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Let's contiune on what is really going on
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If there is one thing that you could understand or change, what would it be?
 Quoting: Chaom


I would choose to understand the how of the illusion.
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Would you like to talk about what is really going on, or should we just leave it at that?
 Quoting: Chaom


Let's contiune on what is really going on
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000


If there is one thing that you could understand or change, what would it be?
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I would choose to understand the how of the illusion.
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Or the true nature of the human condition.
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It would be like asking, "If I poured a glass of milk and gave it to my uncle, would tomorrow be Thursday or Friday?"
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Thursday, tomorrow is Thursday.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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It would be like asking, "If I poured a glass of milk and gave it to my uncle, would tomorrow be Thursday or Friday?"
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Thursday, tomorrow is Thursday.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


If someone routinely gave their uncle milk on Thurs, the question would make sense. To someone somewhere, this question makes sense and applies.
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Sorry, I don't know what that means.
 Quoting: Chaom


The sword can kill everything except what is (be-ing).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


In my opinion(always lite entertainment)
In this thread the sword is irrelevant unless you are using it in referenc to mean an ink based biro pen. Sarcasm isn't one of my strong points¤.

The shield what cannot let metal atoms through makes all metal attacks obsolete, the cowardice nature of a timid species would then lie down and do the absolute most to do the bare minimum whilst still expecting to be paid for doing nothing?
/end of rant. Wasn't at any of you guys. Much love
X.Ooo
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the sword is a representation of be-ing, so it is a metaphor for be-ing killing be-ing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Be-ing killing be-ing
If we believe there is no death, what is actually being killed? Or is this waay over my head and I should just go back to reading in silence??

X.O
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The sword can kill everything except what is (be-ing).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


In my opinion(always lite entertainment)
In this thread the sword is irrelevant unless you are using it in referenc to mean an ink based biro pen. Sarcasm isn't one of my strong points¤.

The shield what cannot let metal atoms through makes all metal attacks obsolete, the cowardice nature of a timid species would then lie down and do the absolute most to do the bare minimum whilst still expecting to be paid for doing nothing?
/end of rant. Wasn't at any of you guys. Much love
X.Ooo
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the sword is a representation of be-ing, so it is a metaphor for be-ing killing be-ing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Be-ing killing be-ing
If we believe there is no death, what is actually being killed? Or is this waay over my head and I should just go back to reading in silence??

X.O
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We could consider it lite entertainment
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In my opinion(always lite entertainment)
In this thread the sword is irrelevant unless you are using it in referenc to mean an ink based biro pen. Sarcasm isn't one of my strong points¤.

The shield what cannot let metal atoms through makes all metal attacks obsolete, the cowardice nature of a timid species would then lie down and do the absolute most to do the bare minimum whilst still expecting to be paid for doing nothing?
/end of rant. Wasn't at any of you guys. Much love
X.Ooo
 Quoting: RE_LKing


the sword is a representation of be-ing, so it is a metaphor for be-ing killing be-ing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Be-ing killing be-ing
If we believe there is no death, what is actually being killed? Or is this waay over my head and I should just go back to reading in silence??

X.O
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We could consider it lite entertainment
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what is appears to kill (replace) what is in every instant. Is that not what you perceive?
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Must... read... book..... soon!

Chaol! Hurry!

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the sword is a representation of be-ing, so it is a metaphor for be-ing killing be-ing.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Be-ing killing be-ing
If we believe there is no death, what is actually being killed? Or is this waay over my head and I should just go back to reading in silence??

X.O
 Quoting: RE_LKing


We could consider it lite entertainment
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


what is appears to kill (replace) what is in every instant. Is that not what you perceive?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Admittedly my perception grows daily, the current perception is, what appears to kill (replace) being replaced with being. Don't get me wrong, in a few months if re-reading these threads ever pop up I will face palm.

I suppose just the nothing?? If that makes sense

be-ing(nothing)
killing(nothing to be killed so nothing)
be-ing(nothing)


All this talk about nothing sure makes me want to do something to forget the illusion of the nothing..
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"We are meant to have ego but we have isolated it. The practice of annihilating it, only creates problems for us. A new ego appears, coming out of the death of the old ego, and so is frightened and doesn’t trust."

Roberts, Jane:The Nature of Personal Reality, pgs. 184-186.
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Chaom you trouble maker, what do you know about clear quartz?
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Practically nothing. Why?
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I think you should get a piece, it might help you understand yourself in another way.
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
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You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
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It would be like asking, "If I poured a glass of milk and gave it to my uncle, would tomorrow be Thursday or Friday?"
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Thursday, tomorrow is Thursday.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah


If someone routinely gave their uncle milk on Thurs, the question would make sense. To someone somewhere, this question makes sense and applies.
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Yes, so the answer could make sense in one perspective but it is not a valid answer overall.

We could talk about the curvature of space in a way that makes sense, but I don't believe such curvature exists because there are other explanations that seem to make much more sense.

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Chaom you trouble maker, what do you know about clear quartz?
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Practically nothing. Why?
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I think you should get a piece, it might help you understand yourself in another way.
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Thanks for the suggestion.
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
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You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
 Quoting: Chaom


Are you suggesting that everything that exists can be perceived?
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
 Quoting: Chaom


Are you suggesting that everything that exists can be perceived?
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What requires that cause exists?
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
 Quoting: Chaom


Are you suggesting that everything that exists can be perceived?
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Sorry, but could you tell me how you presume that it was suggested from the statement? I'm curious.
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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
 Quoting: Chaom


Are you suggesting that everything that exists can be perceived?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000


What requires that cause exists?
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We are most certainly talking in circles :)

"What is an effect without a cause?" is not to imply that validity of either of cause or effect, but suggesting that "cause and effect" are inter-dependent.

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Of course you can perceive the effect of fingers typing and text appearing. That is precisely what I stated. Cause can not be perceived so of course there is no cause and effect.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1503374


You're making two statements:

"Cause can not be perceived. Only effect can be perceived."

and

"...there is no cause and effect"

Do you mean there is no cause-and-effect, only effect?

What is an effect without a cause?

Now it seems we are talking in circles.
 Quoting: Chaom


Are you suggesting that everything that exists can be perceived?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 65389000


Sorry, but could you tell me how you presume that it was suggested from the statement? I'm curious.
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To step back, yes I meant there is only effect. To me, effect is synonymous with 'is-ness' for lack of a better term.

To answer the question you are curious about, I misread your post, and questioned what I thought you wrote rather than what you actually wrote.





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