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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Looks like the book's going to be a lot of mumbo jumbo, a relativity game... Does it contain anything practical? What about Mogic, is that something someone can do?

Rather than brain stuff, bring back the genius, this kind of stuff is how the Bible got so conceited. It's been done, why re-represent it? Isn't all this about pushing the envelope ??

"overthinking, overanalyzing, separates the body from the mind... Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind"

As I open a Nagual del Judith ...
 Quoting: Ordoz II

I think I know what Ordoz is saying here, because I have been reminded of how the Roman soldier named Peter had a revelation, was re-named Paul, then went on a Christian crusade to spread the word. He ended up writing letters that are included in the Christian Bible, but his interpretations were twisted and maimed. Paul is known to be a misogynist, for example, which polluted the original message terribly. I mean, Paul gave advice on how one should treat one's slaves!

So, I think this is what Ordoz means about the original message becoming conceited -- or maybe becoming complexified.

On the other hand, I cannot see anything stopping Ordoz from returning to the roots of the original Genius. I do it all the time.

Why continue with the thread if he still believes in that old-timey religion? What other questions does he have? Go back to the beginning and practice what you've been taught there.

There is something ironic about a Gemini complaining about "overthinking, overanalyzing...", especially when he comes onto this thread making declarations about being a mental air sign. What else do you expect, dude?

Look for the other aspects in your natal chart. You have other qualities you can draw from.

There are other relationships.
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LOL great points yes you're warm but I'm not complaining buddy, the quote is a reference to spiraling out of the "nature of perception" or rather the fibonacci sequence as implied in Lateralis.

I actually am digging all this information overload, it's what I'm all about. I do use the genius every day, the more you use it the more useful it becomes, I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too - thing is, some of these people are über basic (this is South Africa after all) and some can't even speak English, so I had them in mind when I asked that... I'd like to assist everyone I can grasp this material without getting too complex or too cryptic (I'm already infamous for that!) you get where I'm comin' from?
That being said, my 30plus symbols have now formed a consciousness of their own I presume could be the seeding of a new vein of PRACTICAL X, something ANYONE can do if they know how to follow instructions to the letter. I'm open to it.

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Looks like the book's going to be a lot of mumbo jumbo, a relativity game... Does it contain anything practical? What about Mogic, is that something someone can do?

Rather than brain stuff, bring back the genius, this kind of stuff is how the Bible got so conceited. It's been done, why re-represent it? Isn't all this about pushing the envelope ??

"overthinking, overanalyzing, separates the body from the mind... Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind"

As I open a Nagual del Judith ...
 Quoting: Ordoz II





I was thinking the same thing just now. I have to stay in the heart even though I am looking forward to reading Chaom's book. I'll pick out some stuff from it, I'm sure.
 Quoting: ERE3


I think it would be most useful if everything was/is balanced. Sonobioelectrogravitics aye?
Heart, mind, body, soul, spirit, whatever else you identify as self all in unison for one common experience.
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Consider the "possibility" that we 'order' ourselves into "being" from 'chaos'...


Damn Jesse what kind of Alien Technology are you using ?!
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The difference is the logical bureaucracy we've created to "slow" down the speed at which our expectations are processed and expressed "here."
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Wow, Jesse! Get down!

We all know so much! This is the benefit I find in visiting this thread.

I picked out the one quote above about slowing down the speed, to say that there is nothing wrong with this. "Bureaucracy" usually means that something is being imposed upon a natural order, but I don't think that is the word you really wanted to use. "Slow" is simply another experience. It is simply another way to have fun with something.
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I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
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Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
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The difference is the logical bureaucracy we've created to "slow" down the speed at which our expectations are processed and expressed "here."
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Wow, Jesse! Get down!

We all know so much! This is the benefit I find in visiting this thread.

I picked out the one quote above about slowing down the speed, to say that there is nothing wrong with this. "Bureaucracy" usually means that something is being imposed upon a natural order, but I don't think that is the word you really wanted to use. "Slow" is simply another experience. It is simply another way to have fun with something.
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It seems to me that without the layers and layers of logical processes (each having a time component to their geometry), the experience "here" would be much "more" like a dream.

It's the time component of each process that "slows" things down. I used the term bureaucracy to point out that it need not take as long as it does. It seems held up by precedent.

It's as if we have to petition for a desired experience, fill out this form, wait on that one to come back... etc... all before the experience arrives. Often, (due to the excess paper-work required to petition for an experience) the experience we get is often no longer as relevant or distorted.

Well, that or... we're ordering up an experience by playing a game of telephone with beings that don't speak the same language. (lol)

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Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Jesse, I was re-reading a text file the other night in which I gathered some information I wanted to keep for review (the name of the file is "How To Be A Victim". lol). I would like to share this snippet with you. I don't know where it is at in the threads.

*******************

Furthermore Chaol, if you are feeling particularly giving, please lemme know where you got that 11340 figure from?
Quoting: MutantMessiah

It's just a random number.
Quoting: Chaol

Okay, not from my perspective. Thank you. This has been a very good day.
Quoting: MutantMessiah

We are the same, wouldn't you know.
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It seems to me that without the layers and layers of logical processes (each having a time component to their geometry), the experience "here" would be much "more" like a dream.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ha ha ha! Hoo-boy!

I am not laughing at you, Jesse. I am looking at what my life has become. It is a ROFL.
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Just wanted to chime in and say I am loving this conversation everyone is having, it has made me think and grow more than most education I have ever received.

One thing I'd like to toss in the pot is the occurrence of synchronicity. In my reality there is nothing more dreamlike the then "coincidences" that defy regular cause and effect thinking, and further more often relay information. Almost as if the world is speaking to you, or perhaps a way to speak to ourselves if that makes any sense. I'm firmly convinced that there is a connection between the subconcious, the dreamworld, our waking reality and synchronicity. And also what we are all tinkering with here with chaom(l)'s material. Just a thought, any input from these neuphilosophers in this thread?

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Reality = geometry of relationships

We are perceiving the relationships. The "cookie" is an interpretation of pre-existing relationships.

We can interpret the relationships however we want. This is our reality. All relationships exist.

You can choose among the relationships that are already there, and interpret them how you like. (This is the essence of neuronics, which is being able to form your interpretation of the relationships that are already there.)
 Quoting: Chaom




Wait! Pre-existing relationships? Choose among relationships that are already there?

How does that even happen? How is anything already there?
 Quoting: ERE3


I think this is one of the questions of the ages! Plato spoke of the forms, and everything we see on the cave wall shadows of these forms. I interpret what chaom is saying is that we are essentially moving these forms around, they interact with(or transmute) to create something different(but not really). Kind of like having sex, and then creating a new life that is the same as the first two (but not really). And this concept is true in all orders of what some would call creation. There are very basic levels of this, the 0,1,1 etc., ad infinitum. But they all emanated from the void, or the 0. What I'd bet hindus would refer to as Brahaman or all that is.

But changing thinking from cause effect only thinking to sort of discovering things that already exists, assuming that everything exists already and we are experiencing them in space time, is a game changer and makes the interface with reality something very different.

Am I pretty close on this chaom? Thoughts from anyone?

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Just wanted to chime in and say I am loving this conversation everyone is having, it has made me think and grow more than most education I have ever received.

One thing I'd like to toss in the pot is the occurrence of synchronicity. In my reality there is nothing more dreamlike the then "coincidences" that defy regular cause and effect thinking, and further more often relay information. Almost as if the world is speaking to you, or perhaps a way to speak to ourselves if that makes any sense. I'm firmly convinced that there is a connection between the subconcious, the dreamworld, our waking reality and synchronicity.[/i] And also what we are all tinkering with here with chaom(l)'s material. Just a thought, any input from these neuphilosophers in this thread?

seeker34
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You left one part out in the link above and that's the unconscious
.

That is the link between all those parts and is dubbed "inner child" by some. And, unless one keeps within the heart/innerchild, then it's mental magic. And, mental magic does not FEEL good to me.

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Reality = geometry of relationships

We are perceiving the relationships. The "cookie" is an interpretation of pre-existing relationships.

We can interpret the relationships however we want. This is our reality. All relationships exist.

You can choose among the relationships that are already there, and interpret them how you like. (This is the essence of neuronics, which is being able to form your interpretation of the relationships that are already there.)
 Quoting: Chaom




Wait! Pre-existing relationships? Choose among relationships that are already there?

How does that even happen? How is anything already there?
 Quoting: ERE3


I think this is one of the questions of the ages! Plato spoke of the forms, and everything we see on the cave wall shadows of these forms. I interpret what chaom is saying is that we are essentially moving these forms around, they interact with(or transmute) to create something different(but not really). Kind of like having sex, and then creating a new life that is the same as the first two (but not really). And this concept is true in all orders of what some would call creation. There are very basic levels of this, the 0,1,1 etc., ad infinitum. But they all emanated from the void, or the 0. What I'd bet hindus would refer to as Brahaman or all that is.

But changing thinking from cause effect only thinking to sort of discovering things that already exists, assuming that everything exists already and we are experiencing them in space time, is a game changer and makes the interface with reality something very different.

Am I pretty close on this chaom? Thoughts from anyone?

seeker34
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My understanding is we live
in the Void and perceive anything
and everything ourselves, atm.

Nothing contains everything,
so to speak, but is not there,
until perceived. The minute our
perception moves elsewhere,
the precious perception
doesn't exist and therefore,
is illusion.

I'm writing in a new style
to me. It's called lyrical
and pre-dates biblical text.

To me, it's more Inner Child
oriented or right-brain, so
I've adopted it. It's another
way to change neurons.

Inner Child is a good label
because it is child-like.
That's why Chaol/Chaom tell
us to do silly things.


:) :) :)

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I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
 Quoting: Ordoz II

Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
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Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
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I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
 Quoting: Ordoz II

Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
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Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
 Quoting: Ordoz II


Shaman's of many cultures also speak of dreamworld travels, aproppos of this thread. Seeds of a neucybershaman taking fruition perhaps?

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I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
 Quoting: Ordoz II

Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
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Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
 Quoting: Ordoz II




So, you're helping
the S. Africans?
That's awesome!

What is their understanding
of how the symbols work?

Is this why you are there?

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Consider the "possibility" that we 'order' ourselves into "being" from 'chaos'...


Damn Jesse what kind of Alien Technology are you using ?!





That is exactly what we are doing!
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Looks like the book's going to be a lot of mumbo jumbo, a relativity game... Does it contain anything practical? What about Mogic, is that something someone can do?

Rather than brain stuff, bring back the genius, this kind of stuff is how the Bible got so conceited. It's been done, why re-represent it? Isn't all this about pushing the envelope ??

"overthinking, overanalyzing, separates the body from the mind... Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind"

As I open a Nagual del Judith ...
 Quoting: Ordoz II


Yes, you're right. The following is an important excerpt from the book. (Perhaps I should re-write it)

"Jiminy Cricket hovers peas while carrots sing tunes using the primary wave function if Peter Pan's magic yellow carbon. Under the gumball machine of yesteryear we find tunnels and bridesmades wubba wubba chicken fried steak. And the cat jumped over the moonshine in grandma's tub."

What do you think? Too much mumbo or too much jumbo?

Although it is rare that I respond, I'd still like you to be among the first to have a copy of the book :)
 Quoting: Chaom


Don't get me wrong I'd still very much like to read the book, it's fun to get into all the nitty gritty and the mechanics of everything (going down the rabbit hole) but that's something that never ends so it ends up feeling like too much chaos and not enough order - too much Chaol and not enough Ordoz.

And to answer your question; the mumbo is directly proportional to the jumbo..

Here's an interesting question, how would someone:
1. Illiterate
2. That's 6yrs old
3. Ignorant

Make use of your material?

 Quoting: Ordoz II




I'm pretty sure that's why I"m here and probably some of the reason Chaom is letting me read the book, first. I'm the turn-key. If I get it, everyone does.

Funny, the area I was born in and lived most of my life in, is a test market. If things go over here, it goes over throughout the USA, lol!

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It seems to me that without the layers and layers of logical processes (each having a time component to their geometry), the experience "here" would be much "more" like a dream.
 Quoting: MutantMessiah

Ha ha ha! Hoo-boy!

I am not laughing at you, Jesse. I am looking at what my life has become. It is a ROFL.
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It is just that my life now is so utterly different than the way I lived before, that sometimes I wonder if I am developing dementia. I seem to go against the grain a lot, but with glee. I really like where I am at right now, despite feeling afraid sometimes. I suppose that is a normal reaction to something that is so different and getting more different by the day.

I am interested in Chaom's explanation of patterns, because I often see strange new patterns make an appearance in situations. When I think I can use the new pattern - or worse, depend on it! - it suddenly changes to a NEW new pattern. I follow that for awhile, until it changes again. Booba Kata. I'm getting used to it.

I now see the weirdest relationships. Disparate things that shouldn't have any bearing on each other, suddenly do. I notice that one little attitude I may have on one little subject, seems to propogate itself throughout many, many other subjects. My thoughts take on a life of their own and show up all over the place.

I honestly feel like I'm walking between two worlds...or three or four or more!

From the same text file I mentioned earlier, I came across this:

***********************

October 2011

Thank you for spelling it out for us. Any additional advice on how to adapt?
Quoting: MutantMessiah

Does anyone notice any dream elements trying to boil to the surface in their field of perspective?

Is there any strange stuff that you perceive that you brush off, thinking "I'm not going crazy, am I?"

When you experience these elements in your waking life (even if a little bit for now), you know that the two worlds are merging.

The question is, are you resisting it or exploring it?
Quoting: Chaol

***********************

That was nearly three-and-a-half years ago! I feel in the thick of things now, for sure. There is no denying it.

Which reminds me! Here is another excerpt:

***********************
I can appreciate the response Chaol/droog but I think I didn't make my sarcasm obvious enough. My life(perspective) has been changing very rapidly... I look forward to observing anything that comes. Doubt may keep me here, but I think we are approaching a point where doubt is not an option.
Quoting: MutantMessiah

When doubt is not an option, that is when I make my exit.
Quoting: Chaol

***********************
It's a shame, I had hoped at some point to meet you and just chat. I have come to perceive the language(feelings) of belief to render the same effects you propose ec can with regards to changing perspective. As if there are many ways(journeys,paths,logic) to achieve the same goal.
Quoting: MutantMessiah

err. I meant "from this forum" not a complete exit.

You can't really get rid of me. Even if you wanted to
Quoting: Chaol

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You can't really get rid of me. Even if you wanted to
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Even our technology is changing its perceptions...

"I noticed that ALL of my songs in iTunes had become scary or haunted. Second, the desktop background was changed to a scary photo. The following week, we (my wife, Barbie, and I) noticed some of our stuff around the house had been mysteriously rearranged. In some cases the screen and keyboard would open and shut quickly, as though the computer were attempting to speak."


[link to www.businessinsider.com]

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Ha! This is a perfect example of interaction. A guy's girlfriend died in an auto accident. He kept her facebook account active and posted messages to her. Eventually, she started answering back.

red dit dot com/r/nosleep/comments/29kd1x/my_dead_girlfriend_keeps_messag​ing_me_on_facebook
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Just wanted to chime in and say I am loving this conversation everyone is having, it has made me think and grow more than most education I have ever received.

One thing I'd like to toss in the pot is the occurrence of synchronicity. In my reality there is nothing more dreamlike the then "coincidences" that defy regular cause and effect thinking, and further more often relay information. Almost as if the world is speaking to you, or perhaps a way to speak to ourselves if that makes any sense. I'm firmly convinced that there is a connection between the subconcious, the dreamworld, our waking reality and synchronicity.[/i] And also what we are all tinkering with here with chaom(l)'s material. Just a thought, any input from these neuphilosophers in this thread?

seeker34
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You left one part out in the link above and that's the unconscious
.

That is the link between all those parts and is dubbed "inner child" by some. And, unless one keeps within the heart/innerchild, then it's mental magic. And, mental magic does not FEEL good to me.
 Quoting: ERE3


Here is where the limitations of vocabulary are easily seen.

By mental, I don't think we mean "brain". It is more of the "seat" of perspective, but even that does not really explain it. This would include anything of the heart and emotions, as perspective does not conform to the physical separation of the body that we're accustomed to (e.g., the heart and mind are separate).

"Inner child" is an interesting term, but would it also apply to babies, or children?

I suppose there should be a new word for "the you of perspective", since none of the current ones illustrate the idea well. But, even then, those not understanding the new term would be lost. So I suppose we should use either of the terms that are somewhat understood, with a "disclaimer" that its use represents a broader concept.

Perhaps it would one day be "I" in the same way that we don't say "the brain in my gut is hungry" or "the brain in my spinal cord feels pain in my shoulder", but simply "I am hungry" or "my shoulder hurts".

The mind is no more a seat of perspective than the heart, or one's hand would be. They're just terms of convenience, but are not meant to imply that anything is so separate. This brings us back to the word "relative", so in that way the seat is whatever is most relative.

However, it is likely to be that mind/heart are two sides of the same coin. You'll learn more about this in the next couple of days (as I've illustrated it in the book) so perhaps we can discuss it more then.
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However, it is likely to be that mind/heart are two sides of the same coin. You'll learn more about this in the next couple of days (as I've illustrated it in the book) so perhaps we can discuss it more then.
 Quoting: Chaom



Sounds good to me. I don't think there has to be a separation but for many of us, there is one. So, I look forward to learning more.
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The point is, the subconscious does not know the difference between dream lives - whether it be sleeping or waking or otherwise. Chaol always told us, "dream about it". So I did. It works swell!
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I used this in a totally different context (for me) last night, and boy, does it work. Thank you for bringing it to our attention.
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I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
 Quoting: Ordoz II

Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13876338

Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
 Quoting: Ordoz II


Shaman's of many cultures also speak of dreamworld travels, aproppos of this thread. Seeds of a neucybershaman taking fruition perhaps?

seeker34
 Quoting: Seeker34


We'll see!
If I can get my neucybershamanic tools on a constant flux it's very likely
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
I've helped about 12 people make symbols and use them over the years and more and more people have been coming to me to help them too...
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Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
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Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
 Quoting: Ordoz II




So, you're helping
the S. Africans?
That's awesome!

What is their understanding
of how the symbols work?

Is this why you are there?
 Quoting: ERE3


Most work well with it, their first symbols are almost always extraordinarily unique - it blows me away sometimes how "sentimental" I get when I see them for the first time... I've had a lady make a symbol for a 'new' her, the actualized version of the perspective she's had for about 20yrs - lo and behold 3 days later she got into an accident (wasn't too bad (¿subjective?) but she was hospitalized for a couple of weeks) though when she recovered nothing was the same for her, it was as though her world was turned upside down so to speak. Most of her acquaintances don't even recognize her when she sees them on the street.
There are similar instances where radical shift in perspective takes place, surprisingly most of them don't blame me for making 'bad stuff' happen to them cause it quickly becomes apparent how fortunate they are when they take a moment to look around.

I think it's a graceful transition from the whole tribal, culturally rich background where almost every nuance of their ancestry is shrouded with symbolism - to using the genius map.

I'm here for quite a few reasons but yes that would make the top 3 in any perspective. I only wish I could do it more, but I'm 'experimenting' with the material myself and there always seem to be blocks whenever I make a breakthrough - somewhat.
ENGAGE!!!
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Looks like the book's going to be a lot of mumbo jumbo, a relativity game... Does it contain anything practical? What about Mogic, is that something someone can do?

Rather than brain stuff, bring back the genius, this kind of stuff is how the Bible got so conceited. It's been done, why re-represent it? Isn't all this about pushing the envelope ??

"overthinking, overanalyzing, separates the body from the mind... Withering my intuition, leaving opportunities behind"

As I open a Nagual del Judith ...
 Quoting: Ordoz II


Yes, you're right. The following is an important excerpt from the book. (Perhaps I should re-write it)

"Jiminy Cricket hovers peas while carrots sing tunes using the primary wave function if Peter Pan's magic yellow carbon. Under the gumball machine of yesteryear we find tunnels and bridesmades wubba wubba chicken fried steak. And the cat jumped over the moonshine in grandma's tub."

What do you think? Too much mumbo or too much jumbo?

Although it is rare that I respond, I'd still like you to be among the first to have a copy of the book :)
 Quoting: Chaom


Don't get me wrong I'd still very much like to read the book, it's fun to get into all the nitty gritty and the mechanics of everything (going down the rabbit hole) but that's something that never ends so it ends up feeling like too much chaos and not enough order - too much Chaol and not enough Ordoz.

And to answer your question; the mumbo is directly proportional to the jumbo..

Here's an interesting question, how would someone:
1. Illiterate
2. That's 6yrs old
3. Ignorant

Make use of your material?

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I'm pretty sure that's why I"m here and probably some of the reason Chaom is letting me read the book, first. I'm the turn-key. If I get it, everyone does.

Funny, the area I was born in and lived most of my life in, is a test market. If things go over here, it goes over throughout the USA, lol!

1rof1
 Quoting: ERE3

Hahaha! Well it seems everyone has their posts and are ready to serve, threads to splice (double meanings aside) the tapestry woven will surely be a marvel to bear.
ENGAGE!!!
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Hi ERE

In a few hours I will be sending you the link to the PDF.

Thanks so much!
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Hi ERE

In a few hours I will be sending you the link to the PDF.

Thanks so much!
 Quoting: Chaom


dasbier
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Isn't it interesting that this is also what shamans and medicine men do with their bones and feathers and rocks?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13876338

Indeed it is, it seems word of mouth spreads like wildfire.
 Quoting: Ordoz II




So, you're helping
the S. Africans?
That's awesome!

What is their understanding
of how the symbols work?

Is this why you are there?
 Quoting: ERE3


Most work well with it, their first symbols are almost always extraordinarily unique - it blows me away sometimes how "sentimental" I get when I see them for the first time... I've had a lady make a symbol for a 'new' her, the actualized version of the perspective she's had for about 20yrs - lo and behold 3 days later she got into an accident (wasn't too bad (¿subjective?) but she was hospitalized for a couple of weeks) though when she recovered nothing was the same for her, it was as though her world was turned upside down so to speak. Most of her acquaintances don't even recognize her when she sees them on the street.
There are similar instances where radical shift in perspective takes place, surprisingly most of them don't blame me for making 'bad stuff' happen to them cause it quickly becomes apparent how fortunate they are when they take a moment to look around.

I think it's a graceful transition from the whole tribal, culturally rich background where almost every nuance of their ancestry is shrouded with symbolism - to using the genius map.

I'm here for quite a few reasons but yes that would make the top 3 in any perspective. I only wish I could do it more, but I'm 'experimenting' with the material myself and there always seem to be blocks whenever I make a breakthrough - somewhat.
 Quoting: Ordoz II




We're all learning.
I like it when my
teachers admit that!

It sounds like you're
doing something pretty
dang awesome! Good for
you and for them.

As you learn new stuff
and make your breakthroughs,
you will be able to pass it on.
"We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka





GLP