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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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To put it more plainly (though I would say, more inaccurately):

Planet X / Nibiru is my world. (Though we don't refer to our world as such. You would, however.)

My world is the dream world.

My world is a different kind of physicality than your world.

My world is a different kind of planet Earth than your world.

All times and spaces are in the here and now. Meaning, each is a value of the "now". Ancient Egypt, for example, is a particular value of the present civilization. It does not exist in the past. It exists entirely in the present. So does everything else.

My world is a quality of your world. Thus, the two are very similar.

A few hundred years ago we created tunnels to the dream world.

These 'tunnels' were created when someone discovered the ultimate secret of the universe ("X"). (Though we've since realized there is no universe like in your science books.)

This Earth (your world) is one of those dream worlds. Though to you, we are the dream world.

"X" is what makes everything possible. It is Ecsys prime.

Once we discovered X our world split from your world. (Or, grew substantially different in qualities from your world until we were altogether different physically. It happens all the time in your perspective in small ways, perhaps without you even realizing it.)

We exist in the same space and time as your world. Right now. (You just don't realize it yet.)

Our world is entirely physical, though you would probably see it as a different kind of physicality from your own.

(Your body is physical, yes. But also your light, sound, thoughts, dreams, etc., have physical qualities.)

The realization that you are already in the dream world is the realization that people have been talking about for millennia. It has all kinds of names, from A-Z.

People know something is going on, but what is it?

Physically represented, the change is physically manifested on all 'levels' of physicality.

On the level that the routine of drinking your tea partakes, it is a giant planet screaming through the far reaches of the solar system, making its way back home every few thousand years and upsetting the tea kettle.

But the "closer" it approaches the more you realize it for what it is.

Yes, there is something to fear. But only from a distance.

The closer it gets the more unlike your current physicality it is and the more ridiculous the old fantasies of world destruction, etc, will be.

From the current perspective, yes, there is destruction. But it would be impossible for these two worlds to exist simultaneously in one's perspective.

We see one value of physicality being destroyed, but it is hard to imagine the value that replaces it because there is no reference point other than the apparent instability of the dream world.

Again, the closer the dream world is the more dream-like your world will be until it "passes right through you". You could say, by then you have become something else entirely.

Or, more accurately, your perspective has shifted automatically.

(If it did not, you would not be able to perceive any changes.)

That's why I say there is nothing to do. Because there isn't. It happens automatically.

In the dream world you will more quickly realize how you create your reality.

The dream world is not random or illogical. It only appears that way from a perspective that does not experience it (this one).

The dream world is much like this one. There are some important differences, of course, but the essence is the same. You can eat, play, go to school, check messages, etc.

This is what we've already realized and what I've been alluding to on this forum and the Ecsys.org website. (Those in our world that haven't really realized it exist partially in your world and worlds like it without really realizing it, but that's another story.)

I hope this clarifies a few things.

[snips..]

another question, will the illuminati try to stop that? or they are part of the story.

Thanks
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It's just a fantasy. It is not real. There is no conspiracy. There is only drama that we all participate in.

There is no one acting against you. Everything is in balance because, without balance, there is no "relative motion" and then nothing exists.
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whoa! What an excellent post from page 44. I got to read that a few times to let it really sink in. I am a bit sad I discovered this thread so late... ;)
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whoa! What an excellent post from page 44. I got to read that a few times to let it really sink in. I am a bit sad I discovered this thread so late... ;)
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But you're here now and that's what matters. You are not really late to anything, because many of us are still scratching our heads over most of this, even after two years of studying it.
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whoa! What an excellent post from page 44. I got to read that a few times to let it really sink in. I am a bit sad I discovered this thread so late... ;)
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btw, I notice that your avatar is David Bowie from back in his "Major Tom" era. How appropriate!
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Finally, after more than 3 years of us having posted this video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

someone finally gets it:

Thread: PIN THIS - explanation of the correlation between SEISMS & ELENIN - WAIT FOR COMING BIG EARTHQUAKES (Page 12)

"just in the nick of time", as is said

I thought we were being obvious enough, but I guess not :O

The next question, then, is, "Why is this important?"
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Maybe is a silly question, but, when you said "us" you mean there is more people from your world living here now? I`ve been under the impression you came here by yourself all this time...

why is this important? (your question) I guess worlds are unifying once again...or as you would say the perspectives of it will be apparent to us one way or the other ;)
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Finally, after more than 3 years of us having posted this video:

[link to www.youtube.com]

someone finally gets it:

Thread: PIN THIS - explanation of the correlation between SEISMS & ELENIN - WAIT FOR COMING BIG EARTHQUAKES (Page 12)

"just in the nick of time", as is said

I thought we were being obvious enough, but I guess not :O

The next question, then, is, "Why is this important?"
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Maybe is a silly question, but, when you said "us" you mean there is more people from your world living here now? I`ve been under the impression you came here by yourself all this time...

why is this important? (your question) I guess worlds are unifying once again...or as you would say the perspectives of it will be apparent to us one way or the other ;)
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On Chaols site, he states he's here with "a friend".

I'm confused with the whole thing again... and with "life" :)

It seems to me, that Chaol is heavy on the radiation thing from Japan, which from my current knowledge is a *very bad thing* ... The fact he did seem to know about it before it happened...

I'm not sure who to "trust" and who not to, not that it seems I have a whole lot of choice...
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[snip]

On Chaols site, he states he's here with "a friend".

I'm confused with the whole thing again... and with "life" :)

It seems to me, that Chaol is heavy on the radiation thing from Japan, which from my current knowledge is a *very bad thing* ... The fact he did seem to know about it before it happened...

I'm not sure who to "trust" and who not to, not that it seems I have a whole lot of choice...




Trust yourself then...for me personally, when i am confused or troubled by a subject, I ponder the various thoughts/options/perspectives and take note of what 'feels right' or more 'comfortable' to me. Often the thoughts that challenge my current perspective the most are the ones which ultimately sit most comfortably with me. I also take note of what I resist, these type of thoughts tend to be the most useful to explore further in terms of my personal 'growth'.

I know this is vague, but so very hard to explain.

For me personally, the alternative perspective on radiation that Choal presents us has been enlightening for me. It gives me hope, and reminds me nothing is permanent; and probably the only way to counter the horrors of radiation is to find a fresh perspective on the matter. It gives me a the motivation to embrace the changes rather than fight them. I know, is a little easier for me to say than those more immediately impacted by recent events...the Japanese person suffering radiation sickness, or the mother wondering if the food she serves her family is contaminated or not.

I also feel there is a counter for every possible event, and that nature provides it, even something as drastic as radiation poisoning has an equal and opposite. We just have to find it...it is probably already found. Just not in all of our current awareness.

If this is our illusion, surely we have the power to direct it in a way that is satisfactory to ourselves?
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So good to have you back Chao



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Thread: Is this the coded message coming from elenin?


Chaol, earlier in the thread you told us to listen out for Elenin, some people have been trying...is this Elenin or a numbers station as suggested on the thread?
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+1
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I’m bumping in hope that some of this forum’s posters such as Vizz, Nobody in Particular, Quorum and others with familiarity in this kind of subject find this thread and participate in it.
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I am working on spreading this knowledge, as I have 'settled' here. Call me Marco Polo.

Thanks.
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This made me shout WOW! I have recently been calling my partner (Marc) Marco de Pollo as a joke!!! Are you him in an alternate universe??SmileyWink
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Wow, Chaol. Just "wow"!

Thanks for the links. Some of this I had already read and some of it I had not. I always appreciate new information.

I am finding that a thousand tid-bits of stray data are congealing into an understanding. Even some of your own cryptic remarks, Chaol, start to make a lot of sense. I am in awe that I even had the tid-bits in the first place.

As a footnote: The year 2007 was a watershed year for me, both physically and metaphysically, mostly in a good way. From my current viewpoint, and in light of fresh information, it now looks as if it was all very, very good. It is as if I am being led by the hand to certain comprehensions.

So glad you're back...err, so glad we're there...err, are we there yet? Where are we, lol?
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Thanks.

Yes.. are we there yet? The destination is always the process rather than an end result.

(This tells us that more important than what will happen is what is already happening.)

Enjoy the ride :)
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Fascinating thread! Just finished the first three or four pages, but judging this last page... there's lots of interesting stuff in here.

Thanks for sharing!
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OP began dropping bombshells on us around page 43, if you want to go straight to the core of what is happening.

THEN, go back and read the whole thread. More of it will make sense after having read the punch line first.
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teehee.. we're still at the beginning.

But that's a good suggestion. Thanks!
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Chaol, will you be there after September 4th on this thread? I am thinking of a long 3 month break before SHTF, is this the right time to take one or in 2012?
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The SH already hit TF.

It's funny how we don't yet realize it.

Now is better than later. But of course it depends on your plan.

2012 would just be fashionably late.

Just go where the wind blows, I say.

For some guidance, seek the square root of Ecsys prime (123).
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Thanks for your answer, could you please respond to first part of my question.

Chaol, will you be there after September 4th on this thread?
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After September 4, I am not sure.

Why do you assume the SwHTF in 2012?
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Maybe is a silly question, but, when you said "us" you mean there is more people from your world living here now? I`ve been under the impression you came here by yourself all this time...

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Yes, from my world there is usually just me. But sometimes a friend of mine visits, also.

why is this important? (your question) I guess worlds are unifying once again...or as you would say the perspectives of it will be apparent to us one way or the other ;)
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That's exactly what I would say!
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On Chaols site, he states he's here with "a friend".

I'm confused with the whole thing again... and with "life" :)

It seems to me, that Chaol is heavy on the radiation thing from Japan, which from my current knowledge is a *very bad thing* ... The fact he did seem to know about it before it happened...

 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


As I usually say, it's all a matter of perspective.

To you it's radiation from Fukushima. To an other perspective it's something different.

In one perspective it is "bad". In an other perspective it can be different. Even helpful.

I know that's hard to imagine. But it's the nature of perspective.

There are lots of monsters hiding in children's closets or under their beds. The children swear by it.

I am not really concerned with how something will happen, only that it is happening. The methods are only sometimes a curiousity.

If you're really concerned with the welfare of the physical body that you've grown for what seems like many years then consider what it is, not what will happen.

Consider a different perspective of these things you may fear.

For example.. some people may think that a tremendous earthquake may strike at a particular time.

Perhaps, but in order to understand more of this we can think more about the nature of earthquakes. Even their consciousness.

It matters not so much what number on the Richter scale a movement is but what the 'peak ground acceleration' is. For example, [link to www.seismo2009.ethz.ch]

Then you can begin to feel the consciousness and the relationships between the movements. It is really no different than the winds, or clouds, or anything you see in the sky or feel on the Earth.

I'm not sure who to "trust" and who not to, not that it seems I have a whole lot of choice...
 Quoting: OverTheRainbow


Perhaps we can trust the nature of things and that things will work as they're supposed to.

More practically, trust no one. Including Chaol.

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[snips]
For me personally, the alternative perspective on radiation that Choal presents us has been enlightening for me. It gives me hope, and reminds me nothing is permanent; and probably the only way to counter the horrors of radiation is to find a fresh perspective on the matter. It gives me a the motivation to embrace the changes rather than fight them. I know, is a little easier for me to say than those more immediately impacted by recent events...the Japanese person suffering radiation sickness, or the mother wondering if the food she serves her family is contaminated or not.
[snips]
 Quoting: curve 1513173


There's nothing wrong with avoiding the radiation or other things, as I have sought to do for the past few months.

I don't mean to suggest that the radiation is good. It's not good for your physical body, of course. It kills it.*

Perhaps there was nothing substantial in the bottles that motivated the chimps to be different.

They just needed an excuse to change.

*There's no harm in supplementing your diet with vitamins A, B, C, E, selenium, lecithin (sourced from local rivers, etc), and avoiding foods and products from the oceans, Japan, etc. Perhaps pay closer attention to the source of what you breathe, drink, and eat.

*If you live in North America or Europe, you may want to consider your options.

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Whoa. Took me two solid days to read all of this thread.
This is one of the most wtf awesome threads on GLP. I don't really know if I will be able to grasp ecsys... But I surely try.

As for act 3 and 4... Bring it on, I got my ticket! :)

Now on to the neuronics thread. ;)
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Do you smell the change?
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So, you're saying this is change we can believe in? :P

I dunno about the geopolitics, but gold jumped to hyperspace on 8/2, and went from warp 1 to about warp 5. If I'm reading the tea leaves right, silver is about to go to warp as well.
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Yes, I did leave for good.

But, then, so have you.



I like that, kind of a koan eh?


As far as changes go, I have been noticing odd things happening in my life that make me say "huh?" For instance, we were out with some friends the other night and they said let's go by another friend of theirs house, she plays movies against the garage door and neighbors show up to watch.

So we went by and chatted with them for a bit and left. Later when I was back home that evening I had to walk the dog. I walked him down the street like I always do and there in a neighbor's back yard they were playing a movie projected on the side of their garage wall. Kinda weird since I have never seen anyone do this before.

So you addressed the fact that we are merging changing etc etc, but I can't recall if you have said why.

Also, you have mentioned the effects it may have on us but what about the effects it will have on your world?
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will we be here on this thread beyond september-october?
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Thread: Is this the coded message coming from elenin?


Chaol, earlier in the thread you told us to listen out for Elenin, some people have been trying...is this Elenin or a numbers station as suggested on the thread?
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There are no codes or messages coming from what you call Elenin.
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Do you smell the change?
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So, you're saying this is change we can believe in? :P

I dunno about the geopolitics, but gold jumped to hyperspace on 8/2, and went from warp 1 to about warp 5. If I'm reading the tea leaves right, silver is about to go to warp as well.
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Just make sure you have the right kind of gold or silver :P
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As far as changes go, I have been noticing odd things happening in my life that make me say "huh?" For instance, we were out with some friends the other night and they said let's go by another friend of theirs house, she plays movies against the garage door and neighbors show up to watch.

So we went by and chatted with them for a bit and left. Later when I was back home that evening I had to walk the dog. I walked him down the street like I always do and there in a neighbor's back yard they were playing a movie projected on the side of their garage wall. Kinda weird since I have never seen anyone do this before.

So you addressed the fact that we are merging changing etc etc, but I can't recall if you have said why.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1382064


Why are we 'merging'?

It's what we always do.. form relationships with things that seem outside of our perspective.

We do it, you could say, in order to exist.

Sometimes we form relationships with things that seem divorced from our current perspective.

When is 'another world' (another perspective) not merging with your own?

This just happens to be the perspective more closely related to the one you experience much of the time (when you're sleeping).

Your two selves, you could say, are merging.


Also, you have mentioned the effects it may have on us but what about the effects it will have on your world?
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I can't really explain this. We're still on the basics of Ecsys and English doesn't allow me to illustrate the concepts.

You could say that our weather patterns are changing, however.

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Do you smell the change?
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So, you're saying this is change we can believe in? :P

I dunno about the geopolitics, but gold jumped to hyperspace on 8/2, and went from warp 1 to about warp 5. If I'm reading the tea leaves right, silver is about to go to warp as well.
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Just make sure you have the right kind of gold or silver :P
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What kind would that be? Last time I checked gold is gold, unless it's gold plated tungsten. But I don't deal with those 100oz bars.

Last time I checked, silver is silver, and nobody cares enough about silver to mess with it.
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Do you smell the change?
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So, you're saying this is change we can believe in? :P

I dunno about the geopolitics, but gold jumped to hyperspace on 8/2, and went from warp 1 to about warp 5. If I'm reading the tea leaves right, silver is about to go to warp as well.
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Just make sure you have the right kind of gold or silver :P
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What kind would that be? Last time I checked gold is gold, unless it's gold plated tungsten. But I don't deal with those 100oz bars.

Last time I checked, silver is silver, and nobody cares enough about silver to mess with it.
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In this world, non-abstract gold is not priced. Only abstract gold is priced. One is pegged to the other.

If you have 'real' gold, that's great. But it's too bad we don't know the real value of it.

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will we be here on this thread beyond september-october?
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Will you be posting on this thread beyond October?

Probably.

Beyond December?

Probably not.
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What happened in Japan will happen again and again, all over your world.

It's unfortunate that no one on here or in media is making the connection.

Like those AT&T commercials with Tom Selleck. "You will."

We continue to see glimpses of the future, and we ignore it.

We see the "good" and the "bad" (though it's all a matter of perspective, of course). All are ignored after a couple of days.

Certain kinds of physicality are not relevant to the dream world, and thus cannot 'enter'.


The Southern hemisphere is quite nice at this time of year.
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will we be here on this thread beyond september-october?
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Will you be posting on this thread beyond October?

Probably.

Beyond December?

Probably not.
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Why not beyond December?





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