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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8655203 Brazil 01/11/2012 10:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is this "Obama's tale" so important to what is happening to this world? Quoting: Gespenst It's a huge change of topic... You are going to have to take a big step back and look at the general, over-all picture. Forget the details. Look for the "story". Look for the concept behind the "narrative". This is why Chaol says: To promote one entertaining story to obscure an other, far more interesting, one is the name of the game. There are no grand conspiracies other than the nature of physicality to hide something that cannot be physically-represented. But the thought of a human conspiracy certainly keeps one from thinking about the nature of reality. Quoting: Chaol Looking at the overall picture, to me this is a detail... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6335891 United States 01/11/2012 01:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 2012, you see the narrative for what it is. Quoting: Chaol And this particular illusion breaks down. The end of the world, indeed. (The end of this particular physical illusion, and the start of an other.) *As I previously mentioned, this division is what creates physicality. The tension between 'good' and 'evil' is as old as time because it is what creates time. Duality. I think that when this "place" got started, I don't think it wasn't intended to be taken as seriously as it has been. I think it was originally meant to be an inside joke. So the game is breaking? I hope everyone gets the cheat codes. Would be amusing to watch, when the few who hold the cheat codes suddenly find them worthless. I guess they'll finally have to l2p. Stories in most games are crap anyway. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5877556 Canada 01/11/2012 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2012 is when the lights come on, and the actors begin to be exposed for what they are. It starts with [...snips] The weakest link in the chain is also one of the biggest . What better way to bring the whole thing down? Some of us, of course, like it just the way it is. Chaol, Will you still be discussing the Genius and Ecsys or will you be focusing on Bari? |
Chaol User ID: 1475933 Thailand 01/11/2012 11:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 2012 is when the lights come on, and the actors begin to be exposed for what they are. It starts with [...snips] The weakest link in the chain is also one of the biggest . What better way to bring the whole thing down? Some of us, of course, like it just the way it is. Chaol, Will you still be discussing the Genius and Ecsys or will you be focusing on Bari? Never has the 'big picture' not been discussed, except in response to an other's query. If it is thought that there is focus on some other detail that is not entirely significant, perhaps the point is missed. This "missing the mark" is important enough to warrant an entire catalogue in the realm of the psyche with the classical definition of "sin". Someone of us unfortunately will, indeed, find ourselves in a type of "hell" for missing the point regardless of how important we think these unimportant (that is to say, lacking significant interaction with other things) details are. I'm reminded of how much energy is wasted (perhaps billions, in terms of your hours) thinking about "republican" or "democrat" when in the big picture, if there ever was one, such distinctions are not only irrelevant they do not exist. We are certainly welcome to waste this energy but it does not mean that we will experience something different from what our previous wastefulness has resulted in, for lack of better terms. However, here it is amusing that some of us are uncomfortable without more detail in these posts while some others are uncomfortable with more detail. (Surely, though, we do not know what lay beyond the borders of our experience. Do you think it is something we expect or something entirely unexpected? If unexpected, would we be willing to accept it or even be willing to incorporate it within our current experience? I haven't even begun to say anything about what fantastic things lay just beyond the ~current perspective because, really, it would be unacceptable to most. Many of us fluctuate between discreet feelings of fear and curiosity. How many of us are willing to give up what we seemingly have spent so much time in building? Very few. And that is why you find yourselves here, at what is essentially the end of the road before your previous steps vanish into nothingness, talking to me in hopes that you can continue walking along the same path. I'm relaying to you the 'fact' that the rhythm of the footsteps you're making will not carry over into what your reality is becoming. The mechanisms by which you think and do is what is imperative here when many of us are, instead, focused on the mark of the footsteps and what kind of shoes we're wearing, and how the knot is tied.) There is little hope that anything significant will be done in the way of altering one's current path of experience while suffering the effects of a passive lethargy. Whether we do or do not do, we will always be occupied with something. (It is the nature of reality.) But that does not make it relevant or meaningful. We can spend our lives massaging the legs of members of our local ant colony and make a life of it, with drive and purpose that we ourselves invent, and argue with others about the finer points of lavender oil as compared with burgundy when applied to the exoskeleton if we so wanted. But it does not mean that our actions and thoughts will be much-related to much else, or interact with the depth of our perspective. Basically, I am saying that 99% of your thoughts are irrelevant to the expanded perspective. They are 99% relevant to a very, very small sliver of a perspective that has very little interaction with deeper perspectives. Apologies for being blunt (perhaps still confusing to some of us) but it is what is needed at this point. (How many of us would drift off into tangents at this point is both expected and predictable. It is entirely what I am conveying here.) It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed. |
High Times User ID: 7896665 Australia 01/11/2012 11:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another question: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6853315 There is a plethora of lecturers out there who speculate on the symbol of the serpent. Chaol, you have already said the serpent represents the dream world. It seems the Aborigines of Australia are the only other ones around who agree with you. They tell stories of how the serpent formed the landscape, which then emerged from a dream. Is it safe to regard all serpent symbols in the manner in which you have explained it? Are there other meanings? I'm half Aboriginal and i can assure you that the rainbow serpent didn't create everything! Vide Et Fortitudine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5877556 Canada 01/12/2012 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Chaol 2012 is when the lights come on, and the actors begin to be exposed for what they are. It starts with [...snips] The weakest link in the chain is also one of the biggest . What better way to bring the whole thing down? Some of us, of course, like it just the way it is. Chaol, Will you still be discussing the Genius and Ecsys or will you be focusing on Bari? Never has the 'big picture' not been discussed, except in response to an other's query. If it is thought that there is focus on some other detail that is not entirely significant, perhaps the point is missed. This "missing the mark" is important enough to warrant an entire catalogue in the realm of the psyche with the classical definition of "sin". Someone of us unfortunately will, indeed, find ourselves in a type of "hell" for missing the point regardless of how important we think these unimportant (that is to say, lacking significant interaction with other things) details are. I'm reminded of how much energy is wasted (perhaps billions, in terms of your hours) thinking about "republican" or "democrat" when in the big picture, if there ever was one, such distinctions are not only irrelevant they do not exist. We are certainly welcome to waste this energy but it does not mean that we will experience something different from what our previous wastefulness has resulted in, for lack of better terms. However, here it is amusing that some of us are uncomfortable without more detail in these posts while some others are uncomfortable with more detail. (Surely, though, we do not know what lay beyond the borders of our experience. Do you think it is something we expect or something entirely unexpected? If unexpected, would we be willing to accept it or even be willing to incorporate it within our current experience? I haven't even begun to say anything about what fantastic things lay just beyond the ~current perspective because, really, it would be unacceptable to most. Many of us fluctuate between discreet feelings of fear and curiosity. How many of us are willing to give up what we seemingly have spent so much time in building? Very few. And that is why you find yourselves here, at what is essentially the end of the road before your previous steps vanish into nothingness, talking to me in hopes that you can continue walking along the same path. I'm relaying to you the 'fact' that the rhythm of the footsteps you're making will not carry over into what your reality is becoming. The mechanisms by which you think and do is what is imperative here when many of us are, instead, focused on the mark of the footsteps and what kind of shoes we're wearing, and how the knot is tied.) There is little hope that anything significant will be done in the way of altering one's current path of experience while suffering the effects of a passive lethargy. Whether we do or do not do, we will always be occupied with something. (It is the nature of reality.) But that does not make it relevant or meaningful. We can spend our lives massaging the legs of members of our local ant colony and make a life of it, with drive and purpose that we ourselves invent, and argue with others about the finer points of lavender oil as compared with burgundy when applied to the exoskeleton if we so wanted. But it does not mean that our actions and thoughts will be much-related to much else, or interact with the depth of our perspective. Basically, I am saying that 99% of your thoughts are irrelevant to the expanded perspective. They are 99% relevant to a very, very small sliver of a perspective that has very little interaction with deeper perspectives. Apologies for being blunt (perhaps still confusing to some of us) but it is what is needed at this point. (How many of us would drift off into tangents at this point is both expected and predictable. It is entirely what I am conveying here.) It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed. Thanks for the response Chaol. It's going to take a little time for your message to sink in. I would consider myself to be watcher of my thoughts and my emotions. I would even say that I try not to get caught up analyzing things that don't exist (eg. democrat / republican). What I have not done is examine the mechanism of my thoughts or emotions. Can you give any advice pointers on how this can be accomplished? I am open to an expanded perspective, creating new relationships. Thanks again. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8492837 Brazil 01/12/2012 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everything seems so unrelevant to me... What I do in my daily life, what I see on TV, what I read on internet, plans, thoughts, actions... Suddenly, everything is losing it's "importance". As I said in a previous post (in September/October, I don't remember), I'm feeling that 'something' is about to happen, and now this feeling is stronger than ever. It's like everything we live is so less important than we think... We are just blind. There is a bigger picture. I just don't know how to open the curtains. |
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MaJorMan User ID: 1528213 United States 01/12/2012 09:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that? |
MaJorMan User ID: 1528213 United States 01/12/2012 09:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that? Of course the answer would be Ecsys.. using the Genius, but it apparently isn't as easy as one may put it given the instructions we have to utilize it. ..still a huge gap in clarity. |
Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [snips...] What I have not done is examine the mechanism of my thoughts or emotions. Can you give any advice pointers on how this can be accomplished? I am open to an expanded perspective, creating new relationships. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556 Thanks again. Surely. I would advise to take some time to think in ways that aren't natural for you. And feel in ways that are foreign. Step outside yourself, as is said. |
Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure if I understand Chaol's last posts, but what I can say is that I am willing to give up in this current life we live (I am not talking about suicide, btw). Quoting: Gespenst Everything seems so unrelevant to me... What I do in my daily life, what I see on TV, what I read on internet, plans, thoughts, actions... Suddenly, everything is losing it's "importance". As I said in a previous post (in September/October, I don't remember), I'm feeling that 'something' is about to happen, and now this feeling is stronger than ever. It's like everything we live is so less important than we think... We are just blind. There is a bigger picture. I just don't know how to open the curtains. It's already there. Perhaps we just limit the expansiveness of the current experience. |
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Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaol, Quoting: MaJorMan 8666569 What should be the nature of our thoughts and actions that would make them most relative to what is relevant? How does one choose/calculate/find the correct geometry between relationships and create it? Hi. I do not know what they should be. And what is relevant really depends on you. But what would probably make a thoughts or actions more relative to an expanded perspective is if it was not dependent specifically on itself. For example, the thought of "I am a marine biologist" is dependent on your thoughts about marine biology and your relation to it. If you did not consider yourself a marine biologist then, most likely, you would not say or think such a thing. (Of course. But that's the idea.) When your perspective is more expanded then you care less about being "a marine biologist". It is only important to you when you import the concept into your experience. i.e., when you explore the life of a marine biologist. Ask yourself what representations matter to you most in your life? What do you consider yourself? What do you think about? What labels do you find yourself thinking about. And then you will see that the representations (which are illusions of something else) influence your experience and limit your perspective. (It's a matter of how much your perspective interacts with other things. Your perspective will always be limited somehow.) So in order to expand your perspective through thinking, get rid of your thoughts, rely on them less, and make them interact with what no longer matters to you. Become what you do not care to become. (As you care about what is most relative to you, which actually binds you to the current perspective.) |
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Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that? As above, do, think, and feel what you (think you) are not interested in doing, thinking, and feeling. |
Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that? Of course the answer would be Ecsys.. using the Genius, but it apparently isn't as easy as one may put it given the instructions we have to utilize it. ..still a huge gap in clarity. Ecsys is not the answer. Your own willingness to give up your idea of yourself is what you're looking for (and not looking for at the same time). |
Chaol User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/12/2012 11:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When we focus so much on what we think we are, what we have built, what we have said, and the lives that we are familiar with, we cannot re-member what has been there all along. In order to limit your perspective, increase your focus. That you may expand your perspective, unfocus and see the clarity that is all ready there. No, you probably don't want to. (Of course. Which is why you probably have not really done so.) The other you wants to. And it's waiting for you to take the leap of faith that "you" will still exist once you make the transition. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1288466 Canada 01/12/2012 12:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chaol, Thanks again for all the guidance. Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations. |
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