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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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I'm not sure if I understand Chaol's last posts, but what I can say is that I am willing to give up in this current life we live (I am not talking about suicide, btw).

Everything seems so unrelevant to me... What I do in my daily life, what I see on TV, what I read on internet, plans, thoughts, actions... Suddenly, everything is losing it's "importance". As I said in a previous post (in September/October, I don't remember), I'm feeling that 'something' is about to happen, and now this feeling is stronger than ever.

It's like everything we live is so less important than we think... We are just blind. There is a bigger picture. I just don't know how to open the curtains.
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Chaol,

What should be the nature of our thoughts and actions that would make them most relative to what is relevant?

How does one choose/calculate/find the correct geometry between relationships and create it?
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
 Quoting: miqq


I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that?
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
 Quoting: miqq


I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Of course the answer would be Ecsys.. using the Genius, but it apparently isn't as easy as one may put it given the instructions we have to utilize it.
..still a huge gap in clarity.
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[snips...] What I have not done is examine the mechanism of my thoughts or emotions. Can you give any advice pointers on how this can be accomplished? I am open to an expanded perspective, creating new relationships.

Thanks again.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556


Surely.

I would advise to take some time to think in ways that aren't natural for you.

And feel in ways that are foreign.

Step outside yourself, as is said.
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I'm not sure if I understand Chaol's last posts, but what I can say is that I am willing to give up in this current life we live (I am not talking about suicide, btw).

Everything seems so unrelevant to me... What I do in my daily life, what I see on TV, what I read on internet, plans, thoughts, actions... Suddenly, everything is losing it's "importance". As I said in a previous post (in September/October, I don't remember), I'm feeling that 'something' is about to happen, and now this feeling is stronger than ever.

It's like everything we live is so less important than we think... We are just blind. There is a bigger picture. I just don't know how to open the curtains.
 Quoting: Gespenst


It's already there.

Perhaps we just limit the expansiveness of the current experience.
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Thank-you.
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Chaol,

What should be the nature of our thoughts and actions that would make them most relative to what is relevant?

How does one choose/calculate/find the correct geometry between relationships and create it?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 8666569


Hi.

I do not know what they should be. And what is relevant really depends on you.

But what would probably make a thoughts or actions more relative to an expanded perspective is if it was not dependent specifically on itself.

For example, the thought of "I am a marine biologist" is dependent on your thoughts about marine biology and your relation to it.

If you did not consider yourself a marine biologist then, most likely, you would not say or think such a thing.

(Of course. But that's the idea.)

When your perspective is more expanded then you care less about being "a marine biologist". It is only important to you when you import the concept into your experience. i.e., when you explore the life of a marine biologist.

Ask yourself what representations matter to you most in your life? What do you consider yourself? What do you think about? What labels do you find yourself thinking about.

And then you will see that the representations (which are illusions of something else) influence your experience and limit your perspective.

(It's a matter of how much your perspective interacts with other things. Your perspective will always be limited somehow.)

So in order to expand your perspective through thinking, get rid of your thoughts, rely on them less, and make them interact with what no longer matters to you.

Become what you do not care to become. (As you care about what is most relative to you, which actually binds you to the current perspective.)
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
 Quoting: miqq


See above.
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
 Quoting: miqq


I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


As above, do, think, and feel what you (think you) are not interested in doing, thinking, and feeling.
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It is only when we see what we haven't seen that our perspective is changed.
 Quoting: Chaol


Yes but, How can we see what cannot be seen?
For example, your world.
 Quoting: miqq


I don't think its that it can't be seen but that it hasn't been. Nothing "cannot" because everything already is. You'd have to change the geometry of the relationships to make the unseen relative and logical to see. But how do you do that?
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Of course the answer would be Ecsys.. using the Genius, but it apparently isn't as easy as one may put it given the instructions we have to utilize it.
..still a huge gap in clarity.
 Quoting: MaJorMan 1528213


Ecsys is not the answer.

Your own willingness to give up your idea of yourself is what you're looking for (and not looking for at the same time).
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Re: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
When we focus so much on what we think we are,

what we have built,

what we have said,

and the lives that we are familiar with,

we cannot re-member what has been there all along.

In order to limit your perspective, increase your focus.

That you may expand your perspective, unfocus and see the clarity that is all ready there.

No, you probably don't want to. (Of course. Which is why you probably have not really done so.)

The other you wants to. And it's waiting for you to take the leap of faith that "you" will still exist once you make the transition.
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Chaol,

Thanks again for all the guidance.

Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations.
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Good to see you back Chaol

Much to ponder (not ponder), thanks again
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Chaol,

Thanks again for all the guidance.

Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes.

It's could be quite obvious when you think about it.

But your "mind" doesn't want to think about it.

Because that would mean the end of itself. And what self-preserving mechanisms would allow that to happen?

Better to not think that the solution is simple, it thinks. Busy itself with unimportant details, it does, in order to keep the appearance of progression towards the goal of "change".

This is the same mind that would, for example, create complicated obstacles to obfuscate a clear path towards a condition where that particular thinking is no longer required or relevant.

Basically, self-sabotage of meaningful progress and replacing it with the appearance of progress by attaching value to things that don't really deserve it.
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Good to see you back Chaol

Much to ponder (not ponder), thanks again
 Quoting: curve


Nice to be "back".

We could spend lots of time at the Ponderosa, for sure!

We better hurry before the chain no longer exists.

mmmm.. chicken and lobster. But let's not get too attached to these succulent flavours.
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When we focus so much on what we think we are,

what we have built,

what we have said,

and the lives that we are familiar with,

we cannot re-member what has been there all along.

In order to limit your perspective, increase your focus.

That you may expand your perspective, unfocus and see the clarity that is all ready there.

No, you probably don't want to. (Of course. Which is why you probably have not really done so.)

The other you wants to. And it's waiting for you to take the leap of faith that "you" will still exist once you make the transition.
 Quoting: Chaol


As the days passes I'm starting to 'unfocus' more, now I know how to call what I'm feeling... But I'm feeling insecure, like I'm walking but not moving.

And I'm seeing how great is to have this thread... People are so afraid to talk about, to question reality... Sometimes it's like I'm alone, that people don't share the same curiosity that I have. But here, I feel 'normal'.
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Chaol, can I ask you why you have 'disappeared'?
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Chaol, can I ask you why you have 'disappeared'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


All is as I, and Chaol 3, have mentioned.

Only a part of me is 'back' to post on this thread. (Other parts are posting on other threads that you cannot see or access, but that's an other story.)

You do the same thing when you dream. A part of you here, a part of you there. All doing something that has an effect on something else.

Before I walked among you. Lived as you did. Went to cafes and performances.

That was a few months ago.

Right now my 'existence' is on this thread. There is no need for me to exist in physical form in the world that this thread exists in.

Quite difficult to explain, and a load of crap for most of you, but it is what it is.

You're getting fragments of me, so to speak. Kind of like a ghost.

I am not really "back" but I am still posting because that is how I have set it up. Sometimes it is more difficult to see what I post than at other times depending on your perspective. (Again, difficult to explain in these words but with each thing there is a narrative. It doesn't matter what the narrative is, only that it bridges 'two' somewhat distant concepts. And sometimes that narrative is hard to believe or relate to. And so here we are.)
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Chaol, can I ask you why you have 'disappeared'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


All is as I, and Chaol 3, have mentioned.

Only a part of me is 'back' to post on this thread. (Other parts are posting on other threads that you cannot see or access, but that's an other story.)

You do the same thing when you dream. A part of you here, a part of you there. All doing something that has an effect on something else.

Before I walked among you. Lived as you did. Went to cafes and performances.

That was a few months ago.

Right now my 'existence' is on this thread. There is no need for me to exist in physical form in the world that this thread exists in.

Quite difficult to explain, and a load of crap for most of you, but it is what it is.

You're getting fragments of me, so to speak. Kind of like a ghost.

I am not really "back" but I am still posting because that is how I have set it up. Sometimes it is more difficult to see what I post than at other times depending on your perspective. (Again, difficult to explain in these words but with each thing there is a narrative. It doesn't matter what the narrative is, only that it bridges 'two' somewhat distant concepts. And sometimes that narrative is hard to believe or relate to. And so here we are.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Wow.
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Thanks for your explanation Chaol. Can't express how happy I am to see you back. I brought up the Malcolm X, Barack thing at work today.. a lot of laughs. But I guess its always the last 1 that counts. Nothings ever made more sense to me then the dialogue and concepts you've presented on this thread. An unlikely place, which makes it all the more significant.
Just wanted to share my appreciation.
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Chaol,

Thanks again for all the guidance.

Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes.

It's could be quite obvious when you think about it.

But your "mind" doesn't want to think about it.

Because that would mean the end of itself. And what self-preserving mechanisms would allow that to happen?

Better to not think that the solution is simple, it thinks. Busy itself with unimportant details, it does, in order to keep the appearance of progression towards the goal of "change".

This is the same mind that would, for example, create complicated obstacles to obfuscate a clear path towards a condition where that particular thinking is no longer required or relevant.

Basically, self-sabotage of meaningful progress and replacing it with the appearance of progress by attaching value to things that don't really deserve it.
 Quoting: Chaol



Surely it is in the minds interest to want to see through the illusion, to be fluid and free? What does the mind really have to lose? Would it not be integrated into a new thought form or focus, reborn even, rather than become completely obselete? Or does it become obselete? Or is it the act or moment of change that is the frightening part...the unknown?
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And I'm thinking that "Chaol 3" was someone fooling us...
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I told you it was him lol
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I told you it was him lol
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His posts sounded like bad news to me... I tried to not believe. lol
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Chaol, can I ask you why you have 'disappeared'?
 Quoting: Gespenst


All is as I, and Chaol 3, have mentioned.

Only a part of me is 'back' to post on this thread. (Other parts are posting on other threads that you cannot see or access, but that's an other story.)

You do the same thing when you dream. A part of you here, a part of you there. All doing something that has an effect on something else.

Before I walked among you. Lived as you did. Went to cafes and performances.

That was a few months ago.

Right now my 'existence' is on this thread. There is no need for me to exist in physical form in the world that this thread exists in.

Quite difficult to explain, and a load of crap for most of you, but it is what it is.

You're getting fragments of me, so to speak. Kind of like a ghost.

I am not really "back" but I am still posting because that is how I have set it up. Sometimes it is more difficult to see what I post than at other times depending on your perspective. (Again, difficult to explain in these words but with each thing there is a narrative. It doesn't matter what the narrative is, only that it bridges 'two' somewhat distant concepts. And sometimes that narrative is hard to believe or relate to. And so here we are.)
 Quoting: Chaol


I actually believe this and it makes perfect sense to me. It's the most efficient way to represent you, so there need not be more.
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It's difficult to see a world that you can't even imagine.
What happend for example, when you travel to a new place you haven't been?
I am missing something...
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Chaol,

Thanks again for all the guidance.

Would I be correct in interpretting this to mean that one should expand (or better yet remove) the way in which one defines themself? These definitions are self imposed limitations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1288466


Yes.

It's could be quite obvious when you think about it.

But your "mind" doesn't want to think about it.

Because that would mean the end of itself. And what self-preserving mechanisms would allow that to happen?

Better to not think that the solution is simple, it thinks. Busy itself with unimportant details, it does, in order to keep the appearance of progression towards the goal of "change".

This is the same mind that would, for example, create complicated obstacles to obfuscate a clear path towards a condition where that particular thinking is no longer required or relevant.

Basically, self-sabotage of meaningful progress and replacing it with the appearance of progress by attaching value to things that don't really deserve it.
 Quoting: Chaol



Surely it is in the minds interest to want to see through the illusion, to be fluid and free? What does the mind really have to lose? Would it not be integrated into a new thought form or focus, reborn even, rather than become completely obselete? Or does it become obselete? Or is it the act or moment of change that is the frightening part...the unknown?
 Quoting: curve



The functioning part remains. The center of 'I' disappears. Or you could say, yes it becomes completely extinct. What is "frightening" is only an idea. Nothing is frightening if you don't think about time ahead or time behind. That energy then remains like a still lake. Be like that. That is, if you can.
In these times, the best and fastest way to grasp and understand is to help others. At first you will feel that "I am helping others, and it feels so good", but as time passes, the "I am the doer" idea melts away, and then, there is no mechanism inside to think of "What is mine, I.., I..., how can I get this or that, what is for me in there..." - all this human consciousness stuff. Only function remains and totality. Yet, the YOU who are ever present and undying never actually went anywhere. The veil is lifted.
The You - are not conceptual.
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All this makes a strange, uncomfortable kind of sense. Which would be good given Chaols guide...

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