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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Thread: The Federal Reserve Will Be Removed From The Finances Of The United States

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Thread: Uggghhhh.... my husband thinks I am NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OP: "Like the other poster said: "QUIT NAGGING HIM."
Focus your attention on other things. If you are going to sit and worry over some germs on a shopping cart, imagining a 'worst case scenario' then perhaps you need to seek some counselling.
And maybe it's best that you stay off of conspiracy-type fear mongering sites...
Seriously... don't worry so much: It's not healthy!!!!"

Thread: Second Sun new video from Padova (ITALY) (Page 2)

OP: "An amazing video! Does not look like a lens flare or a sundog!"

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 29 (Page 7)

OP: "Hardy-har-har cracker-jack. Go to another thread, Nancy and Zetatalk are here to stay baby!!!"

Should I continue?

Next, please...
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OP explain your multifaceted personality, so no one could think you're a fraud...
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Wow! this is the most interesting/mind blowing thread Ive seen on GLP for years!

From what I've gathered from OP's posts, the concept described is actually not foreign to GLP readers, its most like Magick. Practitioners of magick (wicca, druids, old-world paganism) create representations of their desire plus representations of the 5 common elements of the world, and perform an intentional ritual to align their perception toward the manifestation of the goal. The setup remains for some time (a candle burns or whatnot) to help reinforce the intent whenever the practitioner needs it, until the goal is *perceived* to have been attained.

Similar approaches out there are called "The Law of Attraction", and Christian praying.

The OP is just describing how to change your reality in real terms, where everyone on this planet would use religion. Wow, what a shock! You really dont need a God to get what you want, everyone is their own Creator of their own reality! :)
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Heres my question.. My situation is, I seem to create my reality/change my perception while in my dream state. High-quality dreams I experience have a way of becoming the reality I experience months or years later - when I get to that point, I have this feeling of deja vu, realizing I had a dream of the exact occurrence. I'm not sure if the dream-me is in control of my life, or if the waking-me has an overactive subconscious. Either way the waking-me, contemplating this, feels totally out of control of my life. I don't want to feel like I'm a puppet of a part of myself I cant control in my waking reality, just following along in what I think are my choices only to yet again hit another of my dreamed experiences. We're all supposed to have free will, but some teachings talk about how the soul predetermines what its life will be (major events and that magic word, relationships) before it becomes born for the sake of spiritual growth. I dont want to live in a tape recording, not knowing the greater purpose of the soul pressing Play.

From your point of view OP, what could you offer to help me change my perception here? How do I rise above all the relationships I am caught in, short of suicide/getting amnesia/drugs/leaving this planet? Whats your take on Souls, Higher Self, and the concept of fate/predetermination?

If all we have to do is change our perception, how come its SO HARD to do so and 99.9% of the population of this planet cannot do it? Karma? Dark forces of the elite? Who puts up the walls to prevent us from even conceptualizing the ability to change our reality perception? Why does it seem logical to summarize this scene as a Prison Planet?

How can the common folk go out and change the perceptions of the world to hear your concept?

Thanks! hf
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OP explain your multifaceted personality, so no one could think you're a fraud...
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Hello!

Not sure why it would be assumed my personality is multi-faceted, but there's not really anything to address that hasn't already been by myself and an other (on the first page, I think).

This thread may seem very strange to some but I can't see how someone would logically assume those other posts to be mine just because we share(d) the same ID.
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Hi OP, the perspective thing seems to be the point of another civilization named UMMO
their philosophy here:
[link to funney.cz]
I read all these contact accounts precisely for "the prespective" you are mentioning here all the time
(for the switch and flexibility of our minds)

deeper care for life
and love for humanity

hf
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I have to say Chaol, you are very very bright. I thought I was bright on the metaphysical, but man, you blow me away. (curse relativity lol). You keep upping the ante!

I also like your idea of people wanting lots of material things as they think they need it to form relationships.
That is a new way of saying people are too attached to material things, or that it is material things which define people. For me, myself, the ideal way to defining myself at the moment is the emotional aspect. What are my negative traits and how can I transfer them into positive ones, e.g., if I am arrogant, how can I become humble. Do you see?
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Hello!

I don't actually think there's something wrong with being attached to material things. I see it as pretty much the same thing as anything non-physical. To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

The physical isn't really "physical" at all, is it? Perhaps one reality is as valid as another.

Of course, at this point the cliche would be that positive and negative are a matter of perspective. Whatever works for oneself, I suppose.

All possibilities (should) exist.

However, I think the banking system is how it is as a means of control rather than greed. If you control the money, you control the world. (Not that they are in control too much at the moment lol).
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The bankers are very much in control of the banking situation. Even much moreso than before.

All is not what it seems on the surface. "Follow the money," it is said.

(snip...)I am still in the conundrum of your science opinion. I agree that science relies on assumptions, however, I still see it as the best method we have at the moment for discovering truth. For example, I would like to know what is good for my body and what is bad. I would like to know if something is a poison or something detoxifies my body. What affect do mercury fillings have on the body of a chimpanzee for example. Are they good for me or bad?...
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Time will tell.

I'm still not sure why modern science assumes that the truth can be discovered. Something does not have to be true in order to be useful.

Notice what is "good" and "bad" for your body changes constantly?

There is a lot of information and "news" that does not approach truth at all. It's often political and profit-motivated.

Perhaps a focus on practical, useful matters rather than truth-seeking would be more fruitful.

Are you aware of your life back in your world, is your perception completely focused on one "life", or can you perceive two or more lives simultaneously?

It's the latter which happened to me while practising hermetics. It has not happened since. I hope it happens again and that I am much braver.

This question goes on the assumption that you are genuine, which I reserve my judgement.

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I perceive one consciousness only. However, one consciousness can include many sub-consciousnesses much like the relationship you have with your own body.

I do not understand that. Is it that I am creating more apple pie or that I am transferring my focus to the world where apple pie is more common?

And if emotion is the relationship between representation, which emotion is best to realise more of the representation?
(You can see I'm searching for practical applications)
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This question seems to presume that emotions exist apart from the perspective.

In an emotional way, a representation comes about from simply interacting with your emotions.

If you wish to form an 'angry' representation then just interact with anger, for example. (But the representation is not angry itself, of course.)

I love the theory of the electric universe. The community hasn't accepted it because they have invested in more theories to explain the anomalies that keep cropping up with their current model. They are way too deep to admit their premise is wrong at this stage.
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Yes. But you've also said that science is "...the best method we have at the moment for discovering truth", so I suppose there are pros and cons.

Lastly, I'm looking for more practical things from you.

Your website ecsys is still way too intellectual. There have been countless very bright 18 to 22 year olds who have great intellectual theories. This doesn't help us though.
It just oozes narcissism.

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I don't believe I am able to be more practical than I have already.

But surely you jest about the narcissism. Perhaps you're talking about the "Why Should I Listen to a High-School Dropout?" section of the website. I encourage you to re-read it again. You may find it more balanced upon second glance. But shall we examine the post to which I am responding in the same light? I wouldn't want to. I'd rather talk about ideas.

I am more limited in the way of practicality and humility to some, perhaps. Hopefully I have been fair and thoughtful of others in my posts. But I try to be aware of my limitations. Hopefully although that one section may not help you, the other sections may.

Thank you kindly.
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Heres my question.. My situation is, I seem to create my reality/change my perception while in my dream state. High-quality dreams I experience have a way of becoming the reality I experience months or years later - when I get to that point, I have this feeling of deja vu, realizing I had a dream of the exact occurrence. I'm not sure if the dream-me is in control of my life, or if the waking-me has an overactive subconscious. Either way the waking-me, contemplating this, feels totally out of control of my life. I don't want to feel like I'm a puppet of a part of myself I cant control in my waking reality, just following along in what I think are my choices only to yet again hit another of my dreamed experiences. We're all supposed to have free will, but some teachings talk about how the soul predetermines what its life will be (major events and that magic word, relationships) before it becomes born for the sake of spiritual growth. I dont want to live in a tape recording, not knowing the greater purpose of the soul pressing Play.
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Hello!

Perhaps none is in control. The concept of control is irrelevant outside of physically-oriented experience.

The idea could be to create your life, not to control it. When you work against something (controlling something) then you're actually focusing on it more. So, pushing against something could actually make it stronger. Stop pushing.

From your point of view OP, what could you offer to help me change my perception here? How do I rise above all the relationships I am caught in, short of suicide/getting amnesia/drugs/leaving this planet? Whats your take on Souls, Higher Self, and the concept of fate/predetermination?
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I personally don't believe in souls or higher self, or fate.

Check page 5 (16th post, about mid-way up) for comments I've made about fate and changing your situation.

Can I ask a question about the relationships you are "caught in"? Are you pushing them away from you? Do you feel you are resisting them (because you may not want them)?

If all we have to do is change our perception, how come its SO HARD to do so and 99.9% of the population of this planet cannot do it? Karma? Dark forces of the elite? Who puts up the walls to prevent us from even conceptualizing the ability to change our reality perception? Why does it seem logical to summarize this scene as a Prison Planet?
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It's far from a prison planet. There's actually lots of freedom in this experience. But of course we don't have anything else to compare it to.

Our perceptions change all the time. We all do it. All of the time.

The cliche would be, "What we see outside is a representation of what is inside." But it's true.

If your question can be paraphrased as, "Why don't other people change their perceptions to an ideal?", then why is the assumption that an ideal is something that society says is good? Can an ideal situation be something that is "bad"?

Ponder this thought for your entertainment: "There is no one else. There is only you. There is only your perception of everything."

Try these things:

1) Don't resist what you perceive or your experiences
2) Represent what you want. (And interact with it)

...and then you will begin to feel as though you have more control of your reality.

How can the common folk go out and change the perceptions of the world to hear your concept?

Thanks!
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When we concern ourself with changing only ourself, then we know what the universe is.

There is no need to change anything besides what you feel yourself to be.

Thank you :)
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Thread: The Federal Reserve Will Be Removed From The Finances Of The United States

OP: "hahahahah"

Thread: Uggghhhh.... my husband thinks I am NUTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OP: "Like the other poster said: "QUIT NAGGING HIM."
Focus your attention on other things. If you are going to sit and worry over some germs on a shopping cart, imagining a 'worst case scenario' then perhaps you need to seek some counselling.
And maybe it's best that you stay off of conspiracy-type fear mongering sites...
Seriously... don't worry so much: It's not healthy!!!!"

Thread: Second Sun new video from Padova (ITALY) (Page 2)

OP: "An amazing video! Does not look like a lens flare or a sundog!"

Thread: ZetaTalk LIVE Chat August 29 (Page 7)

OP: "Hardy-har-har cracker-jack. Go to another thread, Nancy and Zetatalk are here to stay baby!!!"

Should I continue?

Next, please...


OP explain your multifaceted personality, so no one could think you're a fraud...
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Hello!

I hadn't realized that this post (when you originally posted it a few days back) was supposed to have been about me, or my ID. Otherwise I would have responded to it then.

To clarify, those are not my posts. I wouldn't have time for such drivel.

Regards.
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Feeling ram bump tious.
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Seth wants to tell you that we are basically system explorers or system breakers:

"You may think of your soul or entity - though only briefly and for the sake of this analogy - as some conscious and living, divinely inspired computer who programs its own existences and lifetimes. But this computer is so highly endowed with creativity that each of the various personalities it programs spring into consciousness and song, and in turn create realities that may have been undreamed of by the computer itself.

Each such personality, however, comes with a built-in idea of the reality in which it will operate, and its mental equipment is highly tailored to meet very specialized environments. It has full freedom, but it must operate within the context of existence to which it has been programmed. Within the personality, however, in the most secret recesses, is the condensed knowledge that resides in the computer as a whole. I must emphasize that I am not saying that the soul or entity is a computer, but only asking you to look at the matter in this light in order to make several points clear.

Each personality has within it the ability not only to gain a new type of existence in the environment - in your case in physical reality - but to add creatively to the very quality of its own consciousness, and in so doing to work its way through the specialized system, breaking the barriers of reality as it knows it.

Now, there is a purpose in all this that will also be discussed later. I mention this whole subject here, however, because I want you to see that your environment is not real in the terms that you imagine it to be. When you are born, then, you are already "conditioned" to perceive reality in a particular manner, and to interpret experience in a very limited but intense range."

-Seth Speaks abduct
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bump

At last a GLP thread that engages the mind and says something genuinely new. I'm following this with interest.
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The cliche would be, "What we see outside is a representation of what is inside." But it's true.



When we concern ourself with changing only ourself, then we know what the universe is.

There is no need to change anything besides what you feel yourself to be.

Thank you :)
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and thank you !

you ideas are truly inspiring..

The ideas on consciousness/perpective doesn't really seem to conflict with much of what I have learned about the nature of reality from Seth and others.. in fact it helps with peicing the puzzle together a little better.

OP what is your idea on why we 'choose' to manage reality in the way we do?
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Chaol, I can see we conflict on the basic premise that your ideas are purely metaphysical whereas my view point is more about here.


Hello!

I don't actually think there's something wrong with being attached to material things. I see it as pretty much the same thing as anything non-physical. To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

The physical isn't really "physical" at all, is it? Perhaps one reality is as valid as another.

Of course, at this point the cliche would be that positive and negative are a matter of perspective. Whatever works for oneself, I suppose.

All possibilities (should) exist.

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All points of view are valid in the metaphysical.

In metaphysics, all possibilities exist, but which ones would you like to experience is more the question, is it not?




The bankers are very much in control of the banking situation. Even much moreso than before.
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How does a man from an alternate universe know these things? Either you read conspiracy sites like prison planet and David dIcke or you are something else.


All is not what it seems on the surface. "Follow the money," it is said.
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I am aware of that point of view. The book series “Conversations with God” spring to mind.

Time will tell.

I'm still not sure why modern science assumes that the truth can be discovered. Something does not have to be true in order to be useful.

Notice what is "good" and "bad" for your body changes constantly?
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No, good and bad for my body doesn't change constantly. In terms of nutrition, then yes. In terms of poison, then no it doesn't.

To agree with you I'd have to get into the extreme metaphysical perspective of everything isn't good or bad (including illnesses etc.). That picture is too removed. It is also beyond my imagination. It's like saying "handicapped people enable their carers to become better people by showing love". Great. Anyone want a crippling illness?


There is a lot of information and "news" that does not approach truth at all. It's often political and profit-motivated.
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I am aware of this and I peruse the internet accordingly. However, is information always less truthful if it is profit-motivated? Also, is making a profit wrong? (I have my own opinions on this but I am waiting for yours).

Please don’t give me an all-encompassing metaphysical validity answer to the last question.


Perhaps a focus on practical, useful matters rather than truth-seeking would be more fruitful.
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I agree. But science is the practical useful part. What you are saying is very metaphysical. I have gleaned two useful bits of information from you. Making up a new word for a new experience and making a representation of something you desire.

The representation bit, as another poster has said, has been explained by WICCA. Notice that they have a practical exercise.




I perceive one consciousness only. However, one consciousness can include many sub-consciousnesses much like the relationship you have with your own body.
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Ok. Does this mean you can perceive different bodies at the same time, or not?


This question seems to presume that emotions exist apart from the perspective.

In an emotional way, a representation comes about from simply interacting with your emotions.

If you wish to form an 'angry' representation then just interact with anger, for example. (But the representation is not angry itself, of course.)
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I don’t understand. I think I have misunderstood the language. I understand how you feel about something is your perspective on an issue. That is where Franz Bardon comes into play.


I love the theory of the electric universe. The community hasn't accepted it because they have invested in more theories to explain the anomalies that keep cropping up with their current model. They are way too deep to admit their premise is wrong at this stage.


Yes. But you've also said that science is "...the best method we have at the moment for discovering truth", so I suppose there are pros and cons.
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I don’t view theoretical physics as science. It is only theory. For me, science is if you do A+B then C happens. You will need a control to make sure that it is A+B that is causing C.

For that to change, the attributes of substance A and B would also have to change.


Lastly, I'm looking for more practical things from you.

Your website ecsys is still way too intellectual. There have been countless very bright 18 to 22 year olds who have great intellectual theories. This doesn't help us though.
It just oozes narcissism.



I don't believe I am able to be more practical than I have already.

But surely you jest about the narcissism. Perhaps you're talking about the "Why Should I Listen to a High-School Dropout?" section of the website. I encourage you to re-read it again. You may find it more balanced upon second glance. But shall we examine the post to which I am responding in the same light? I wouldn't want to. I'd rather talk about ideas.

I am more limited in the way of practicality and humility to some, perhaps. Hopefully I have been fair and thoughtful of others in my posts. But I try to be aware of my limitations. Hopefully although that one section may not help you, the other sections may.

Thank you kindly.
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High school dropout doesn’t matter to me. In fact, it is a plus sign as far as ideas are concerned – you haven’t been indoctrinated.

Your claim of coming from another universe doesn’t help things as you are then speaking from authority. I.e. there is no “I think” or “In my opinion”.

I’m thinking of the film “Good Will Hunting” as far as narcissism is concerned.

If you didn’t claim things with such authority, then I would change my mind. There are quite a few “life, the universe, and everything” websites out there put together by bright young lads. I was just looking at another the other day. Good thinking and philosophical concepts, but that’s it.

Your concepts are good IMO, mostly not original; however, you do have a USP. And that is what we need to develop.

What I would do in your shoes would be to develop your USP for the new age market. There are millions of them out there. Keep the theory down to a minimum. Have it related to the practical guide only. I would cut out all things on physics for example. NO EQUATIONS! Every equation printed is a customer less.

Would you best to claim you are from an alternate universe? Probably not. It might have worked for Drunvalo Melchizedek, but I think you would alienate too many potential customers. I’d probably follow in the footsteps of the “Law of Attraction” books. Say that you are a bright young lad who had these ideas of how the universe works. You made a practical guide and tried it with great success. Hundreds of people are already practicing your guide and it is working for them.

Then, set up a forum on your website and get friends to try your guide. Get feedback. Find out what is working and what isn’t. Next thing you know, you will be giving workshops and lectures. Write a book. Get the practical stuff in a book. Workshops, lectures and books will be your money earner. Get your marketing hat on.

As far as your USP is concerned, it is the new language making. I have never heard of that before. Develop that with the intention of the end stage of getting your typical new ager (customer) to be able to focus from this world to another. There are countless books on astral travel but none on what you are describing.

Think Hemi-sync.


Good luck Chaol.
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I didn't read this bit. Just following up.

To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

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Interesting? Is poisoning your body and dieing of a chronic disease because people have polluted themselves fundamentally due to excess material desires interesting????

It is a positive reality if chronic diseases are the desired goal of humanity.

Or is it that you see no negative consequences on excess consumption at all and that it is just interesting?


I have seen severe consequences of this in medicine and dentistry.
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Thanks for the reply!
Im going to react to some of these responses..

Perhaps none is in control. The concept of control is irrelevant outside of physically-oriented experience.
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Okay, but I happen to be in the physical, so control is not irrelevant.

Can I ask a question about the relationships you are "caught in"? Are you pushing them away from you? Do you feel you are resisting them (because you may not want them)?
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Yeah.. pretty much all the bad things in the world today. I dont want any of that. Ive given up TV because its all bad/spun news. I dont read newspapers, magazines, etc. I prefer sites with the real news, GLP discussion, happynews, and NPR. So I make an effort to push out of my life all the incoming data/current events that I perceive as evil/negative, because well, I dont want to give my energy to thinking about negative things, and in doing so I feel my life is better in withdrawing from the media. Problem is, those negative issues out there still occur despite my narcissism and living under a rock. So yeah I resist these things. You're telling me I should rather just allow the bad news in and not care either way? This would only work if I was a child and didn't know right from wrong, and thus could pass no judgment automatically.


The cliche would be, "What we see outside is a representation of what is inside." But it's true.

Ponder this thought for your entertainment: "There is no one else. There is only you. There is only your perception of everything."
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Okay. This is big. So, really, I am the only real sentient thing in my reality, and everything else in the entire universe is a creation of my mind? Sounds like I am someone plugged into a gigantic virtual reality machine for a lifetime run. Wow, so lonely, playing with myself, I might as well kill off my avatar in this pointless game so I can jack out and see what the real world is. Tap the programmer god sitting in the middle of the room and say, dude this is BS. The Matrix? But are there other people also in these machines, and this is a shared virtual reality? Because I find it hard to believe that I just change my perceptions and everyone else will agree. There's rules when we start this gig, a starting framework. You cant explain what you get when you're born.

So.. Im the only one, eh? Who are you? I made you up? If I believe 100% that you're my higher self/unconscious desires manifest trying to get me to learn, you will say yes? Yes you will. Heck I've been wanting for years to talk to my higher self. You seem to fit the bill.. super intelligent.. all the right answers. THIS should be interesting.. fitting that the medium be a computer, as my career has been in computers most of my life. :)

Its all in my mind. God is a fiction, morality is invented, and I could just throw care to the wind and go out on a rampage, give myself powers, etc. True, I'd have to live with myself. But if my perception is that I truly didn't care because its all virtual reality anyway, then what does it matter.

The outside is the inside.. well there must be alot of conflict inside of me for there to be so many horrible wars out there. And if I figure out how to cleanse myself of all the things inside me that I dont want to manifest in the world, and change my mental point of view, I could live in utopia. Okay, hard to swallow, screams of narcissism. Its a pretty concept, but I'd have to unlearn a lifetime of programming. Got any pointers there? Sadly, a brick to the head seems the easiest way to fully change my perception.. or a sensory deprivation tank..

(Any of your other manifestations of my perception can chime in too. :) :hf: )
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Good related article here

[link to www.witchvox.com]

From the conventional perspective, nothing could seem more “mundane” than clutter clearing. But to me, it’s the most powerful of all magical acts. This is because the external mirrors the internal and the internal mirrors the external. In other words, your belongings and/or surroundings reflect very important aspects of your life experience. And so, from a magical perspective, when we let go of the old and make room for the new on a physical level, we are literally letting go of the old and making room for the new on every other level: spiritual, emotional, financial, etc.

When our closets hold only clothes that make us feel beautiful, we begin to feel beautiful. When our bookshelves hold only books we love and want to read again, we feel clear and open to new ideas and information. When we clear clutter, we are disrupting the negative cycles of our lives and creating positive ones. Everything begins to work better and feel easier. Letting go of what we don’t want also helps us to gain clarity on what we do want. And we create the space for it to appear.

From a magical perspective, everything you own is attached to you with a cord of energy. This is because you have a relationship with it. You have to do things for it like take care of it, clean it, make sure it’s in good repair, remember where it is, etc.

Letting go of the symbol of these feelings will automatically assist you in letting go of the feelings themselves, wherever they show up in your life. This is the magic of clutter clearing in action.

... you are making the conscious decision that you don’t want to carry around stagnant energy, outmoded ideas, and general negativity anymore, and this automatically gives the Universe the message that you are ready for happier and more abundant conditions. And they automatically flow into your life!
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This thread is way too interesting and useful to pass silently away into oblivion.
So here we go again: :bump:
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Hey Chaol,

You started the most interesting thread in this crazy house and then you slunk off into the night.

Come back! I want to hear more about the 'time travel' method you propose.
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Hi Chaol, is it possible you to place an email or some contact info here or on your site? its because i have a project in mind and need to ask you some questions.
Thanks!
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This is one of the best threads I've ever stumbled across here.
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Yes, true. I LOVE GLP for this reason.
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OP what is your idea on why we 'choose' to manage reality in the way we do?
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Greetings!

I'm not sure what you mean there. How do you 'manage' reality?

Thanks.
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Chaol, I can see we conflict on the basic premise that your ideas are purely metaphysical whereas my view point is more about here.

All points of view are valid in the metaphysical.

In metaphysics, all possibilities exist, but which ones would you like to experience is more the question, is it not?

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The bankers are very much in control of the banking situation. Even much moreso than before.


How does a man from an alternate universe know these things? Either you read conspiracy sites like agent provocateur and David dIcke or you are something else.
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The same way I know how to tie shoelaces.

Of course, the concept of shoelaces does not propogate throughout all possibilities. But if you are in one possibility for a while, wouldn't you know how to operate within it?

I am not actually from an alternate universe. That's why the phrase is in quotes. I am from this universe. But there's much more to this universe than what we see.

Money is a representation. It always has been. The bankers are managing their representations quite well. They'e turning abstract and notional monies into less-abstract representations. That's not something new. It's just done in different ways over time.

All is not what it seems on the surface. "Follow the money," it is said.


I am aware of that point of view. The book series “Conversations with God” spring to mind.

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God did not coin that phrase ;) It's quite old.

I agree. But science is the practical useful part. What you are saying is very metaphysical. I have gleaned two useful bits of information from you. Making up a new word for a new experience and making a representation of something you desire.

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How "metaphysical" would you say the experience of science is?

How divorced is it from perspective and cognition?

The representation bit, as another poster has said, has been explained by WICCA. Notice that they have a practical exercise.

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There is a time for everything. Witchcraft has been around for thousands of years. I am in no hurry.

I perceive one consciousness only. However, one consciousness can include many sub-consciousnesses much like the relationship you have with your own body.




Ok. Does this mean you can perceive different bodies at the same time, or not?

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Yes. That's correct. But every one does this constanter.


I don’t view theoretical physics as science. It is only theory. For me, science is if you do A+B then C happens. You will need a control to make sure that it is A+B that is causing C.

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There's the rub!

"Why" does C happen?


Lastly, I'm looking for more practical things from you.

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One awesome thing about the universe is that there is a time and a place for everything.

Thanks.
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I didn't read this bit. Just following up.



To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.




Interesting? Is poisoning your body and dieing of a chronic disease because people have polluted themselves fundamentally due to excess material desires interesting????

It is a positive reality if chronic diseases are the desired goal of humanity.

Or is it that you see no negative consequences on excess consumption at all and that it is just interesting?


I have seen severe consequences of this in medicine and dentistry.
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Greetings!

Here is the original quote, above, for clarification. It's been a while.

<<I don't actually think there's something wrong with being attached to material things. I see it as pretty much the same thing as anything non-physical. To me it's just interesting when people forget about the connection between the physical and non-physical.

The physical isn't really "physical" at all, is it? Perhaps one reality is as valid as another.>>

Oxygen. Breath to some. Death to others.

Who's to judge?

It could be a wonderful thing that we can choose to do things that would harm us physically. It is the same volitive nature of what we call our minds that provides us with what we see.

Interesting.
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Thanks for the reply!
Im going to react to some of these responses..



Perhaps none is in control. The concept of control is irrelevant outside of physically-oriented experience.

Okay, but I happen to be in the physical, so control is not irrelevant.
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Hello!

How sure of you of this 'fact' (that you are in the physical)?

There is no control. It's a human cognitive invention.

It's just a kind of shift from one perspective to another. All possibilities (and perspectives) exist.

Can I ask a question about the relationships you are "caught in"? Are you pushing them away from you? Do you feel you are resisting them (because you may not want them)?


Yeah.. pretty much all the bad things in the world today. I dont want any of that. Ive given up TV because its all bad/spun news. I dont read newspapers, magazines, etc. I prefer sites with the real news, GLP discussion, happynews, and NPR. So I make an effort to push out of my life all the incoming data/current events that I perceive as evil/negative, because well, I dont want to give my energy to thinking about negative things, and in doing so I feel my life is better in withdrawing from the media. Problem is, those negative issues out there still occur despite my narcissism and living under a rock. So yeah I resist these things. You're telling me I should rather just allow the bad news in and not care either way? This would only work if I was a child and didn't know right from wrong, and thus could pass no judgment automatically.
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Do you find it interesting that you would resist your perception?

I don't mean *specific* perceptions. This versus that, etc. I mean your perspective.

In other words, You.

What is something before you assign it a name and put it in a category?

What is the essence?

The cliche would be, "What we see outside is a representation of what is inside." But it's true.

Ponder this thought for your entertainment: "There is no one else. There is only you. There is only your perception of everything."


Okay. This is big. So, really, I am the only real sentient thing in my reality, and everything else in the entire universe is a creation of my mind? Sounds like I am someone plugged into a gigantic virtual reality machine for a lifetime run. Wow, so lonely, playing with myself, I might as well kill off my avatar in this pointless game so I can jack out and see what the real world is. Tap the programmer god sitting in the middle of the room and say, dude this is BS. The Matrix? But are there other people also in these machines, and this is a shared virtual reality? Because I find it hard to believe that I just change my perceptions and everyone else will agree. There's rules when we start this gig, a starting framework. You cant explain what you get when you're born.
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Not exactly.

"You" are much more than you appear to be. Looking at your hand it should be obvious that there is much more than it seems. It goes beyond what you can possibly sense.

There is no game or avatar, or creation. Words don't get on this bus.

So.. Im the only one, eh? Who are you? I made you up? If I believe 100% that you're my higher self/unconscious desires manifest trying to get me to learn, you will say yes? Yes you will. Heck I've been wanting for years to talk to my higher self. You seem to fit the bill.. super intelligent.. all the right answers. THIS should be interesting.. fitting that the medium be a computer, as my career has been in computers most of my life. :)

Its all in my mind. God is a fiction, morality is invented, and I could just throw care to the wind and go out on a rampage, give myself powers, etc. True, I'd have to live with myself. But if my perception is that I truly didn't care because its all virtual reality anyway, then what does it matter.

The outside is the inside.. well there must be alot of conflict inside of me for there to be so many horrible wars out there. And if I figure out how to cleanse myself of all the things inside me that I dont want to manifest in the world, and change my mental point of view, I could live in utopia. Okay, hard to swallow, screams of narcissism. Its a pretty concept, but I'd have to unlearn a lifetime of programming. Got any pointers there? Sadly, a brick to the head seems the easiest way to fully change my perception.. or a sensory deprivation tank..

(Any of your other manifestations of my perception can chime in too. :) :hf: )
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My answers are fairly dependent upon the presumptions of your questions. I wouldn't say I have any answers, per se.

There is never a time when teaching does not occur. More accurately, it could be said that there is a time when we're paying close attention and a time when we're not. When we are, we say that we're being 'taught' a lesson or something of the kind.

Your statement, "And if I figure out how to cleanse myself of all the things inside me that I dont want to manifest in the world..." probably expresses the world you express.

You "don't want" so that is what your probability is likely composed of. "Don't want" is pretty much the same as wanting. Change the "don't want" into "irrelevant" and it won't be a part of your direct experience.

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Hey Chaol,

You started the most interesting thread in this crazy house and then you slunk off into the night.

Come back! I want to hear more about the 'time travel' method you propose.
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Hello!

The opposing could well be said. We're upon the darkest hour at this time. The nexus of probabilities allows for ease of different modes of travel.

What do you think the 'time travel' method is?

Could it be a wrist-worn watch, or chrono-capsule of chords, a wavey wormhole, or something as simple as a password provided to a person's possible perspective?

Thanks :)
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Greetings!

What if one could access a fully-detailed perspective the way one now does access a website (and that person's perspective on things, a very incomplete part of their perspective)?

Where will the development of the internet take you? To someone else? To somewhere else?

What if you can do this now, independent of the hardware? What would one need?

What is software with out the hardware?

That is the key.

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Greetings!

If I may, a thought experiment.

Imagine that each probability that exists is a pathway.

There are many different types of pathways such as hallways, walkways and corridors, alleyways, midways, streets and avenues, broadways, highways, etc.

So, we have different "sizes" of probabilities. Some probabilities are more related to other probabilities so thus become "larger" as more things travel on them. A road can become a highway as more cars travel on it, for example.

Further, each probability can connect with any other probability. Any two or more pathways can connect, forming a "nexus of probabilities".

The more probabilities that connect, the larger the nexus is and the easier it is to travel. (Because the more probabilities that interact with it, the more relative it is to the probability you are experiencing. This enables you to not only walk down the street and have different things happen but also to travel in spacetime (as long as where you are going is relative to where you are most experienced).)

There are representations of this in outer space that you sometimes call 'black holes' and sometimes call other things. These 'black holes' exist everywhere to some degree. The larger the black hole, so to speak, the more relative it is to that which meets it.

You can see less relative representations of these nexi in physical places like street corners. Some corners (and the areas surrounding them) will be good for business or social exchanges, for example. Usually, the greater this metaphysical nexus is the greater the physical pathway becomes. Thus, we have cities, families, ideas, encounters, etc., all illustrating their shrinking or growing metaphysical nexus.

You can think of the center of a galaxy as a combining of probabilities both literally and figuratively. But these 'black holes' can also be found in your body and time/space, and everywhere else.

It's simply the force of attraction/repulsion (the element Chaon in ecsys).

Here's the interesting part. When probabilities comprising a nexus are being added at a substantial rate (and, thus, becoming 'too big' for itself) the probabilities will usually clump together and taper off the nexus. At this point it will continue to 'add to' a smaller nexus.

Our worlds began to diverge just before your industrial revolution (and what would have been the time of our industrial revolution).

A few hundred years ago there were many probabilities comprising this nexus. The feedback and feedforward of the concepts and activities surrounding the industrial revolution eventually enabled the polyfurcation of these probabilities.

Thus, there are now *many* worlds just like your own that are at their own stages of development, all having substantially diverged from yours nearly 300 hundred years ago.

Most likely there will soon be a scientific breakthrough in your world that will enable development of "warp drive" based not on traversing physical space but utilizing these ever-present nexus points to combine the "here" with the "there".

It is no different than experiencing a smell by using memory to recall a smell from 10 years ago rather than recreating the same smell in the present. Not using memory (a "black hole") will eventually sound as ridiculous to you as using rocket fuel to reach the moon. You already connect to non-physical worlds on a smaller scale (such as with intuition, or even sight/sound). You just don't realize how real these experiences are yet.

When we use a computer, for example, it is not that we are interacting with a separate physical object to perform tasks. The physical object is simply a (non-physical) representation of a miniature solar system of concepts. The computer is no more real that the word or even the thought of it. You've developed these representations in order to do something you could not otherwise do.

We can use our minds to add 1+1, or we can use a calculator.

Eventually (probably) you will be able to connect to a massive network using your mind instead of computer hardware. The "physical" representations you use now to perform these non-physical tasks is just so that the concepts and tools can be formed internally.

It is similar to you, as a baby, trying to verbalize words using your vocal cords in order to be able to *think* in a new way and do things you could not previously do.

So when you're looking at a physical object you're looking at a 'black hole'. Other things have combined together in a nexus of probabilities. In one probability the chair is a lake, in the other the lake is a chair. You can "get to the lake from the chair", so to speak.

When this world realizes that physical distance (and distance in time) is not absolute then we will begin to do things that science fiction hasn't even come up with yet. Things that I cannot even begin to explain.

This is most likely to occur after the current period, when it is realized the 'changes' most of us have envisioned would occur (for example, with 2012) are representations of non-physical changes. Like a dream.

It all begins with Representation.

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Hello!

Seeing as interest has waned in this particular forum, I want to thank everyone for engaging before I leave again (a bit longer this time).

I will probably return somewhere between August 26-September 4, 2010, as that is the next biggest nexus of probability here.

The current nexus is changing somewhat, so it will be much easier to return to whence I came now than, say, next week.

If anyone is interested in HD photos, video, and other multimedia from the world I live in, please express your interest and it will be provided.

This is only the beginning.

Good night, everyone :)

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