Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

The perspectives in this world are just now beginning to understand this. It seems that we conditioned ourselves to blindly follow "authorities". We're working on ridding ourselves of this conditioning.

But, then, you knew this, right?

Any thoughts on why we would not remember our dreams?

Understood. My apologies if it seemed like I was frustrated with something other than the limitations of the English language. I am not.

The language is self-defined. As I've mentioned elsewhere in this forum, it's not really something that I can define for you.

You have to make the "dictionary" yourself so that it's appropriate to this world. All you have to do is start with a few words, perhaps 5.

It would certainly be easy to use your scenes for a video explaining how to use Ec. But it would be missing the point entirely.

The usefulness of Ec depends on you and things relative to you (such as the world around you). A basic model for the language:

5: Representation - neuronicons

3: Interaction - using Ec

2: Potential Energy - YOU

1: Structure - rules of using Ec

My dictionary would be useless to you and, perhaps, detrimental to the process.

You would not be able to use my "dictionary" to really work with Ec in your world. The effects would be very minimal. (Some have had success, as you can see earlier in this forum, but it's not nearly what can be done with a real X-language.)

We will always seek to follow sets of rules.

The question is, how do we feel about those rules.

The authorities in some instances have faces and are animated. One then seeks to relate those authorities to persons that they once know, don't yet know, and oneself.

That's where much of the problems arise.

But we ignore all of the authorities without faces.

Who is upset about the length of time or the quality of space?

I assure you, it's of much more important than any human authority could muster.

It's all happening now.

It's not about remembering it, though. Because it didn't happen. It's now.

Perspective is the key.

When you don't remember a dream, it's because it isn't relative to the same thinking that says "I don't remember"

When you are in a dream you could remember a dream you had before. You could probably remember ALL of your dreams if you wanted to (when you're dreaming).

Because your perspective is again relative to the other thing.

Calls to memory something I wrote, what seems like forever ago.

"Listen, O man, and heed ye my warning, seek ye to move not in angles but curves"

Okay. I understand all of that. Really, I do.

So, great. I've got this big, shiny new contraption sitting here and I don't know how to make it go.

Thanks for posting this. All of my figuring turns into curves. Even in my dreams, all of the geometry is in frills and loops. There's nothing straight and angular.

Nice.

But sometimes we think of something the way it appears to be, rather than how it functions.

We can say there are no straight lines in nature.

Or we can realize that perception itself is a 'straight line'. (As even the photonic waves of seeing something travel in straight lines.)

But it's more about the relationship of one thing to an other thing rather than how it looks to your physical senses.

In terms of the efficiency of energy expenditure, everything is a straight line. (But not the physically-oriented straight line that you're used to imagining.)

When you measure a table with a yard stick, are you measuring the table or measuring the stick?

When we see someone, are we sensing them or sensing our interpretation of [unknown]?

What we sense has more to do (100%) with how we sense and interpret, rather than how something truly is.

[link to ecsys.org]

all here

In order to understand the 'alphabet' that Ec is composed of you should really understand the Genius and how it works.

Try to make use of it.

Then we'll understand why Ec should be used in a way much different from how we immediately think it should be.

To follow on, why does the 'speed of light' appear to be a constant?

12 inches is 12 inches, says the ruler.

To clarify...

Ec is based on the Genius.

Use Ec without a (real) understanding of the Genius and you'll use it like English.

It is the language of perception, translated into a framework that is most relative to your world.

You must understand the Genius in order to make use of Ec.

To clarify...

It could be said that you perceive what is essentially a straight line and interpret it as a curve in nature.

Your senses, basically, pick up stimuli from straight-line paths (and angles).

These, of course, are not real straight lines but that is how your senses would interpret them.

It would be more accurate to say that it simply follows the path that requires the least amount of energy, regardless of what shape it is.

Even light 'bending' around a star, for example, is following a straight line.

But to your physical senses it would look like a curve rather than a 'straight' path because that is what makes sense to you.

Last Edited by Chaol on 07/28/2011 03:22 PM

I am all over it now. Your clarification with my golf genius brought things back to a simple level for me. I will restart my other 'experiments' as well.

I may be super slow, but does it mean because we use light to measure the speed of light?

All right, boss. I'm on it. I heard you. See? My telepathy works just fine.

Chaol,

Taking two experiences from everyday life is my interpetation even close here?

Playing Soccer
5: Representation - soccer ball

3: Interaction - kicking the ball, passing, spectating, running, etc.

2: Potential Energy - players, referee, fans, soccer pitch, etc.

1: Structure - soccer rules, no hands only feet, offside, 11 players on pitch, etc.


My Job
5: Representation - my job title

3: Interaction - typing, reading, talking, calculating, meeting, etc.

2: Potential Energy - my office, coworkers, boss, etc.

1: Structure - work hours, salary, vacations, etc.

Chaol - I just had a thought.

If your ISP gets banned, would you upgrade in order to continue posting here?

Otherwise, would you update your webspace will an alternate way of answering questions?

I've enjoyed our interactions, and would be sad if they suddenly stopped.

Chaol,

Until I am more adept at this, i'd like to share it with you for your thoughts.

Two of my experiements are a teleportation and zeropoint energy capture.

Here are my thoughts.

teleportation
1 create a symbol - an old flip phone covered in kid's stickers.

2 create space - inside my SUV.

3 interact. interacts with SUV, passengers, driver, roads, destinations.

5 structure - when driving it place the symbol on my lap.


zeropoint energy capture
1 create a symbol - a random picture drawn by each of my children.

2 create space - the pieces of paper that the drawings are on.

3 interact. interacts with other artwork on the wall and discuss them when clients and coworkers see them.

5 structure - hang the drawings on the wall in my office.

Thanks. Sorry to keep bothering you. This will get easier - i just love the drama though.

It is more that when we measure the speed of light we are measuring the top "speed" of our perception.

Skip to about 3 minutes in this video.

Last Edited by Silent Wind on 07/28/2011 10:31 PM

Playing soccer: yes, except I would just keep 'soccer pitch' for #2

Your job: yes, except I would just keep 'my office' for #2

Everything in your perception can be applied to this model.

Good job :)

No.

My IP range has only ever been banned because I was posting too fast.

If my IP or MAC address is banned for an other reason, I don't really have any plans to post elsewhere at this time, or update the website.

There won't be a need to.

Last Edited by Chaol on 07/29/2011 12:03 AM

Some background first:

The Genius creates a perceptual (logical) map between two points.

Thus, if you were to use it for the above purposes you would probably find a pathway instead of an answer.

The more logical point B is to point A the less pathway you need.

Some people may look at the results of a Genius and see the pathway instead of what they want, all the while forgetting that what they want may not be immediately logical to their current perspective.

But the Genius helps you get there, and make point B logical.

Moving on to your teleportation example, if you've created that symbol explicitly for this purpose it will work fine.

Just be open to new symbols, interactions, etc., when they "appear"

I would also attach more structure to both of your examples.. Make some more rules surrounding it. It doesn't matter what they are.

For zero-point energy capture, it doesn't seem that you are the one creating the symbol.

One person, upon creating a Genius model for teleportation could look at the result and say, "This shiznitz doesn't work! This is so stupid!"

An other person, using the same model, could realize that they've created a pathway to the point where they are (already) perceiving teleportation. They could look at their kids' drawings, for example, and have an "aha!" moment, or create another model which brings them closer to teleportation.

The Genius allows you to discover what is there already.

It's a tool to 'manipulate' perception (for a lack of a better way to express), rather than some witchcraft.

Here's a thought experiment...

Where was "4" before you added "2+2"?

The model (maths) allows you to uncover what was already there.

Imagine the world never having learned about maths.

Now imagine a world that never learned how to manipulate perception, and you'd be in a world that looks very much like this one.

Last Edited by Chaol on 07/28/2011 11:54 PM

Big thank you for your help Chaol. Glad I manipulated my perspective to include you.

Suppose I wanted to lose 25 lbs of fat (2 possibility) could I change the rules (1 logic) about eating breakfast (3 interaction). 2 = 3 - 1? So I eat 30 g of proteins and drink a glass of icewater within 30 minutes of waking up?

Or

I want a winning 649 lottery ticket (5 symbol) so I sing Sinatra (3 interaction) in the shower (2 possibility). 5 = 3 + 2?

The idea is to create a unique symbol that represents your intention, not to take from a pre-existing one.

To follow on from page 34, on September 9, 2011, my world forms a 90-degree angle with your Sun and your planet.

A 90-degree angle also forms in my world.

Thus, two 90-degree angles are expressed, making a cross or "X" form.

This represents a somewhat perfect balance between the 4 elements.

[link to ecsys.org]

My world is not what you call Elenin but it is physically expressed as Elenin in your world. We see something similar in our world. (e.g., Earth is Elenin to us, you could say)

Think of Elenin as a stargate that opens when the two 90-degree angles meet.

What happens when the 'stargate is activated'?

You may not even notice. But the effect will be so great your world will be a very different place in 2012. (Again, you may not even notice if you're not paying attention.)

Are you watching closely?

Last Edited by Chaol on 07/29/2011 09:00 PM

Thanks for the response Chaol

Are you saying then that the language, Ec, is subjective?
How would one communicate in it?

That is, if I see a series of relationships that interact with me so as to create, lets say, that bird, and I want to tell you about it in Ec, Id have to use a word that indicates the basic concept of the relationships that make up birds. (Small, have feathers, fly, are animals, etc).

If you have a word for it and I have a word for it.. I dunno just seems tough, seems faster to have standard terminology. In English we say bird, in Ec we say "..."
Even a computer needs repetitive and stable definitions.

Additionally, basic rules of grammar so as to avoid miscommunication, etc., I mean there must be a standard way of usage. Again, even programming language needs this.