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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking. | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315  United States10/01/2012 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/01/2012 09:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, there is a physical orientation within my perspective, yes. In fact, there are many physical orientations within my perspective. I understand, however, that they are all ideas. I understand that I am an idea. I understand that "I" am imaginary. So, who is imagining me? What I want more than money; more than gold; more than anything else that I can think of, is I want to meet who is dreaming me. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/01/2012 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "At the dawn of the universe we existed without physical form. We lived exclusively in a dream-like state, free of physical constraints. Every thought became real, instantly. There were no limitations on what we could do. While in this state, some of our ancestors created a new way to perceive things. This new model, physicality, slowed down the process of perception so that there appeared to be a great distance between our thoughts and our perceptions. Although useful in some ways it made it appear that we were divorced from our perceptions. It took hold anyway, and a new universe was born. Unfortunately for us, the physical model is breaking down. Now, from the period of 2001-2013, the dream world (the real world) is re-emerging....The day will come when you must decide which world you want to be a part of. The dying, physical world or the real world? What will you choose?" [link to www.ecsys.org] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1746238  Canada10/02/2012 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? |
Marshwiggle  User ID: 24645796  United Kingdom10/02/2012 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? This is interesting to me. I heard about the moon, of course and aids, but not about nuclear bombs never existing. Care to say more? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1746238 Canada10/02/2012 07:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? This is interesting to me. I heard about the moon, of course and aids, but not about nuclear bombs never existing. Care to say more? Where did we learn about nuclear bombs? Propaganda movies. Watch the movies with a discerning eye. Pay attention to the cameras that must be indestructible and operated by similarly indestructible robot cameramen. If you look closely all of the videos have plenty of clues where the reality ends and make believe ends. They are so farcical that it's hard to keep a straight face while watching them. Next jump to Fukushima where the radiation may be a real issue but much of the tsunami was CGI, no different than the Gulf oil spill, or any other faked catastrophe. There is no solid ground left to stand on. It's all built on illusion - shifting sand. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1746238 Canada10/02/2012 07:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? This is interesting to me. I heard about the moon, of course and aids, but not about nuclear bombs never existing. Care to say more? Where did we learn about nuclear bombs? Propaganda movies. Watch the movies with a discerning eye. Pay attention to the cameras that must be indestructible and operated by similarly indestructible robot cameramen. If you look closely all of the videos have plenty of clues where the reality ends and make believe ends. They are so farcical that it's hard to keep a straight face while watching them. Next jump to Fukushima where the radiation may be a real issue but much of the tsunami was CGI, no different than the Gulf oil spill, or any other faked catastrophe. There is no solid ground left to stand on. It's all built on illusion - shifting sand. Make believe begins |
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| miqq User ID: 24810016  Argentina10/02/2012 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1746238 Canada10/02/2012 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The cities resemble the after effects of a carpet bombing mission. Look for yourself and see if you agree. |
| Marshwiggle User ID: 24645796 United Kingdom10/02/2012 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The cities resemble the after effects of a carpet bombing mission. Look for yourself and see if you agree. interesting.. so what would be the benefit of making it up? fearmongering? what was all my anti-nuke campaigning in my 20s about?? :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1746238 Canada10/02/2012 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | chaol. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1746238 The foundations of this entire universe is crumbling with every moment. All the things that were believed as fact are being systematically uprooted. Nuclear bombs never existed. Man has never been to the moon. HIV-AIDS is not real. Not even sure that the earth is a sphere anymore. Is this all part of the destruction of the old perspective that will bridge to the new perspective? What about Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The cities resemble the after effects of a carpet bombing mission. Look for yourself and see if you agree. interesting.. so what would be the benefit of making it up? fearmongering? what was all my anti-nuke campaigning in my 20s about?? :) I think chaol may have mentioned that the emotions are the fuel for this reality. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24863319 United Kingdom10/03/2012 04:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Movie night tonight Inception Quoting: SpawnX  Hey tuuuuur do you have the pdf? Is the host link still valid? I lost my copy in this universe  What is happening has already been said. Quoting: Chaol What you need to do has already been said. The most important question right now has already been asked. It's up to you what you are doing now. (Light is persistent throughout the universe. Sound is not, but it does 'jump' to different realities.) ~01/22/2012 Forum lets make that question relevant to our perspective. Post it if you find it! Most relative to me now is this: what should one do with the information you have given? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 625424 Hello! You shouldn't really do anything with it. If you'd like, just use it as a reference. However, there's a lot that could be done with it if it's properly used. |
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| MutantMessiah User ID: 24876966 United States10/03/2012 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if, no matter how much we know, all we do is become more and more aware of the groove we've carved out for ourselves and nothing else? What if, the more we focus on change, the more aware we are of the lack of it instead? When we imagine our future, we do so through the lense of the present. Our current wants and desires fuel our thoughts that drive our actions leading to the resultant experience we call our now. Focus on an ambiguous change and see ourselves stagnate in the undesirable? Or focus only on what is ALREADY right and allow the whole of reality to crystallize into a structure of desirable experience? Or do we simply open ourselves to any experience and choose to define it "positively" no matter how we see it initially?  Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
| (MaJorMan) User ID: 4593265 United States10/03/2012 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if, no matter how much we know, all we do is become more and more aware of the groove we've carved out for ourselves and nothing else? What if, the more we focus on change, the more aware we are of the lack of it instead? When we imagine our future, we do so through the lense of the present. Our current wants and desires fuel our thoughts that drive our actions leading to the resultant experience we call our now. Focus on an ambiguous change and see ourselves stagnate in the undesirable? Or focus only on what is ALREADY right and allow the whole of reality to crystallize into a structure of desirable experience? Or do we simply open ourselves to any experience and choose to define it "positively" no matter how we see it initially? Quoting: MutantMessiah Personally, I try to only give attention to what is "right". When something undesirable happens I search for a positive in it. The act of looking for the "good" makes it pretty hard to remain upset as your so focused on what you like and ignoring what you don't. Being consistent with this way of life makes it eventually pretty hard to be unhappy, or at least stay unhappy. Every thought I have that's leaning towards the negative I try and counteract with one that's more positive. As always the results unexpected but the method works in keeping in good spirits and finding the (path of least resistance). MaJorMan |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/03/2012 05:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ~01/22/2012 Forum lets make that question relevant to our perspective. Post it if you find it! Found it! Page 77 01/14/2012 08:27 PM At this point the only significant question to ask is, "What am I doing now that is entirely different from before?". Quoting: Chaol If you're not doing it then you're asking for pretty much the same perspective as before. At this point, Ecsys will not save you. The Genius will not save you. Whatever New Age whiz-bang fad is popular this month will not save you. Your momma or yoga master will not save you. Only your willingness to (truly) change your perspective will. Not tomorrow. Not when such-and-such happens. Now. "Save me from what?", it might be asked. The inevitable. You are nearing the end of physical perspective. (Or, it should be said, the brand of physicality you've gotten used to all these years.) It is time either for an entirely new perspective, or time to perish as things tend to when they've reached the fringes of relevance. I'm not talking about death and destruction (though every concept needs a logical narrative leading to it from your perspective, doesn't it?). I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand? Which side of the equation do you choose? The choice is yours. If you haven't seriously considered the question in the first sentence above, I suppose you've already decided. There's not really anything more for me to say other than what I've already wrote here and in countless other posts. Choose to be someone else that you can logically be right now, or forever be an energy stuck in the current loop. It's not about them or that. It's about You. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/03/2012 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand? Quoting: Chaol This may not be at all funny, but I have had this conversation with fellow elevator riders before. We all pretty much agree that if the elevator should ever fall, with the floor giving way beneath our feet, that we would jump. |
| MutantMessiah User ID: 16511378 United States10/03/2012 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand? Quoting: Chaol This may not be at all funny, but I have had this conversation with fellow elevator riders before. We all pretty much agree that if the elevator should ever fall, with the floor giving way beneath our feet, that we would jump. What if the pending "change" is/was always pending? What if "it" lies forever just outside the fringe of relevance... beyond perspective? What if the floor has always been in a cycle of collapse? Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality. |
| CatCarel User ID: 23708875 United States10/03/2012 07:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm talking more about when the floor collapses beneath your feet, where will you stand? Quoting: Chaol This may not be at all funny, but I have had this conversation with fellow elevator riders before. We all pretty much agree that if the elevator should ever fall, with the floor giving way beneath our feet, that we would jump. Do you remeber this post from the Dream Reality thread? "Imagine that you met a being from an other world that told you he would return in one month to show you how you could travel through space and time by putting your legs and arms in the air whilst saying 3 words to yourself. You got excited about the possibility of doing it, and was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. What harm could result? After one month the stranger returned to tell you how you could do it. Yes, you must spread your arms and legs in the air but you must do so while jumping from a 66-story building. "WTF?!" You exclaim. "Why must it be done this way?" The stranger then proceeds to tell you that you could travel through space and time any way of your choosing, as long as you say the three words while spreading your arms and legs. All manner of responses result. "He wants to have me killed!", "Spread my legs? He wants to rape me in another dimension!", "Why must it be 66 stories? That is the mark of the devil!", et c. All the while ignoring that you do not have to be on top of the building to experience it." Who says you can't be in an elevator?:) Cat |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/03/2012 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gosh, Cat. I don't remember this! Thank you for bringing it up! See there? I must have taken a step over from somewhere to somewhere else. One other thing along this line: I bought Seth's "Unknown Reality" back in the 80's and have read it all the way through at least four times. Since Chaol quoted this book earlier in the thread, I picked it up again. I can swear to you all that there are pages in this book that I have never seen before. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/03/2012 08:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something else that Chaol said that relates to Cat's quote, was that if you remember it in a dream, then it is the same thing as remembering it for real. I was reading Thomas Campbell's "My Big T.O.E.", where Campbell recommends some exercises for investigating the "quality of your consciousness". One recommendation was to imagine soothing scenery so as to keep the mind occupied. I was imagining a beach scene where I was standing in the shallow waves on the shore of an ocean. I thought to myself, "well, I'm in a dream, aren't I? I can do anything I want to do", so I stepped up on the waves and walked on water! Since it was an ocean, I bobbled somewhat on the surface, losing my balance with the choppy waves, but there was also the sensation of putting down a foot about ankle deep into the water and walking about. There was an effervescent feel to the water under my feet. Kind of cool, huh? Walking on water? Flying? btw, a quick glimpse of my "consciousness": it was curious. It is curious. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/03/2012 09:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is an exercise for accomplishing an OOB (out of body experience). You imagine yourself walking through a woodsy park or up a scenic mountain trail. You have to really get yourself into the feeling of having this nice walk. Smell the fresh air; feel the sun on your shoulders; hear birds or creatures around you. Your trail suddenly ends at the edge of a cliff. Your toes are at the very brink of this cliff. Without a second thought about it...jump! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 6853315 United States10/04/2012 12:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | World Leader's Cancelled Trips and Meetings : Humm (September 30, 2012) [link to www.youtube.com] Top youtube comment: "They probably can't hold their human forms any longer." Obama Looked Petrified Thread: Obama Looked Petrified "Look at his stance from behind the podium. Pretty sad for a president" "Obama looks like he is ill. Clothes look like they are falling off of him. His face looks gaunt. He acts strange tonight." "He does look really ill. I think he's really scared." Every month of this year and the next shall bring a new theme in the stage of the world! Quoting: Chaol What would you like this month's theme to be? How about exposure! |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 24826996 United Kingdom10/04/2012 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | World Leader's Cancelled Trips and Meetings : Humm (September 30, 2012) [link to www.youtube.com] Top youtube comment: "They probably can't hold their human forms any longer." Obama Looked Petrified Thread: Obama Looked Petrified "Look at his stance from behind the podium. Pretty sad for a president" "Obama looks like he is ill. Clothes look like they are falling off of him. His face looks gaunt. He acts strange tonight." "He does look really ill. I think he's really scared." Every month of this year and the next shall bring a new theme in the stage of the world! Quoting: Chaol What would you like this month's theme to be? How about exposure! Chaol said himself and his partner had gotten Obama elected (apologies from him, but it'll make more sense later apparently) so who knows exactly what's going on? Not me! But I'm realising more and more that drama is what we thrive on. Just take a look at the news! Talk about drama galore! Disclosure of some sort is just around the corner. If everything is relationships, then the pattern seems to be taking shape to include some sort of disclosure. Let's watch and see! |
