Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Two observers?

Fudge! You know about oompa particles!?

There goes my claim to fame..

Hi Chaol! :) Love that you're back and your recent posts.

Making the wall irrelevant makes sense, as does the concept of experiencing any thing via relationship to me (perspective). Any thing that is... re-incorporated (?) is therefore not experienced/seen because it is not "outside" of me to experience. (Hoping this is making sense. I really did have a few big a-ha pings today, I promise.)

I'm trying to understand how the below statement fits in with making unwanted things (walls, bills, whatever) irrelevant, as well as how it fits into the statement that one cannot truly perceive that which is irrelevant to one's perspective.

Are you using "irrelevant" differently in each case?



What's tripping me up is that it sounds like what you're saying is that for both wanted/desired experiences (what I really want) and un-wanted experiences/aspects/values, we are to make them all irrelevant?

- Make it relative and irrelevant, and then I will experience that (what I really want).

- Make it irrelevant, and I will not experience that (not experience the walls, therefore walk "through" them to keep that analogy).

Does not compute. I don't think this is actually what you're saying... ?

So, thanks so much for your help and clarity!

:)

Good question.

In both cases, you are setting up an experience where the wall or the bill is not needed.

They become irrelevant to your perspective. In these new realities:

1) There is no need to go through the wall; and

2) The bill does not need to be there (or does not need to be paid, etc)

Let's say for #1 you are stuck in a room with no exit. Unless you find a way to somehow go through the wall you will die.

So you think back to this thread and, after a few frustrating hours, find out how to make the wall irrelevant to your experience.

[for sake of illustration and lack of better terms...] One moment you are sitting on the floor with your eyes closed. The next moment you are sitting in a park, outside of the wall. You will probably not have a memory of the transition, as it is no longer relevant. You may look over and see a wall that kind of makes you feel uncomfortable. You will remember that a few hours ago you were at home because this will be your new perspective. Even though the 'old perspective' still exists it is no longer relevant for you.

If there is someone else in the walled cell with you they may see you de-materialize as you walk through the wall. But your experience will most likely be very similar to the above.

Hope this clarifies it a bit.

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I am not sure how that would be possible.

But if you have any success please let me know! ;)

Thanks.

But shared with whom or what?

Always a pleasure! hehe

How does one determine(find) the most logical steps to a desired outcome? Is there an exercise that we can do to practice this? Is the genius such an exercise? If we lose awareness of the transition from one frame of experience to another, how do we ever become aware of making an edit to perspective in the first place? How is it possible for you to maintain a recollection of your less relative realm while you spend time "here"?

Thanks Chaol. Awesome stuff.

Chaol,

Are you familiar with the idea of the 'death defy'er' in the works of Carlos Castaneda.

If so, do you think it is possible that there was more than one?

(If you ignore this question, I will interpret this as a sign that you don't wish to engage me on your thread and I will withdraw from posting here again.)

Happy Nexus-Point Day, everybody!

May all your unwanted walls be gone!

Hi Chaol, May I ask if you know what this crop circle means?
[link to www.cropcircleconnector.com]

[link to imgur.com]

Hi.

That sounds about right.



Then there is no relationship, so yes (it cannot seem to change).



Time is more of a sense, like smell. The only space is of your perspective, as would time be.



Assume that you don't know the way to get to a particular perspective. If you knew you'd all ready experience it, so to speak.

So you may do well to not assume that you do not know how to get to your destination.

If you search for it in ways that you expect it will remain hidden. Be open to experience, and follow the path of least resistance once you have represented what it is that you wish to perceive.



You don't find it because it is there all ready. It is in everything.

You have only to represent it somehow and let it show you the way.

Look for it in what you have now. It is not "over there". It is right here. Do you see it?



I don't know anything about this, although I don't see how it could be done. There's one physical sense that will be expressed in various ways such as thought, smell, sight, etc. Subdue one way and it will just be more intense in an other.

The table does not become the spaceship by itself.

You discover the spaceship in it. Meaning, it 'morphs' into a spaceship in your mind. But not as the spaceship you know (hence, unseen) but the one you don't know (yet).

Realize that the spaceship and the table are the same thing. However, because its essence (nothing) cannot be contained in any one perception it appears to be separate when it is perceived.

(It may be more than two things in your perspective, but for this illustration let's say it is one.)

If your desire is to build a new spaceship then you can start with anything. Taking the nearest table, you would treat it as though it had properties of an advanced spaceship.

This, in a way, coaxes your perception into uncovering those properties for you. The values are all ready there but they did not previously have any reason to be perceived. Now you are giving them a reason.

This does not mean that your table will magically turn into a spaceship. However, it does mean that the spaceship will become more relative to your perspective. Because you are all ready perceiving 'parts' of it.

So the table is a stepping-stone to the new spaceship. It's distance to your perspective really depends on how relative it is to it.

A couple of examples of how this could play out:

1) Opening the table's drawer that you never really noticed was there leads you to a stack of papers that your father had. They are university transcripts. You see that his marks for science were quite high and suddenly you feel confident that science is what you should do. You soon enroll at a local university's physics program and the rest is history.

2) Turning the table upside down and riding on it for a couple of hours was fun, especially when the cat joined in. But somehow you got a wooden splinter on your rear and now you're driving to the nearest pharmacy, sans cat. While there you meet an old friend. Memories are briefly shared. He shows you a picture of something that he found in his garage on his mobile, and this makes you think of a new invention that will evolve into a spaceship in 20 years.

These are both logical narratives for your mind. It is relating one thing to an other thing in a way that makes sense to it.

The table 'becomes' the spaceship in this way. It may be 5 minutes or 5 years or, depending on how relative it is, may never be experienced. But it is all ready experienced now, in some way.

The question then is, "How many steps from here to there?"

How do you get there? You start with the first thought, and take the path of least resistance.

In both examples above you may claim that Chaol is nuts and Ecsys does not work. But it is how perspective works. It is not magic. It is logic.

This is what we do all of the time. It is how we go from what seems like one experience to the next. We can make something more relative to our experience by uncovering it in our current experience, then it becomes more logical for us to experience (and then we experience more of it).

Hi.

In answer to your previous question, I can't say I'm a dream guru because I don't know what that would entail.

But I am also not sure what a death defy'er would be.

You're welcome to explain a bit so that I have a better idea of your question.

Thanks.

hehe.. funny

I'm not sure what those guys meant by it. I believe they were sending a message to the local churches, or maybe a couple of people in those churches.

One of the men has a significant other, or perhaps someone that he just broke up with. That is his way of expressing his frustration. He is probably an atheist, or at least wants to be.

I don't know about the other 2-3 guys, but they probably just helped.

It was an interesting read (red?)

According to Don Matus as written about in the works of Carlos Castaneda, the 'death defier' (however one wishes to spell it) was a sorcerer from the ancient age that figured out how to defy death. He would wonder the world in search of impeccable people and offer an exchange...energy for knowledge.

He apparently had sort of a running truce with the line of Naguals...the lineage that Castaneda encountered. At the time of his encounter with the lineage, Don Juan Matus was the embodiment of the lineage. He apparently was the last known (to me) person to encounter the 'death defier'.

Carlitos never encountered him...or if he did he never wrote about it.

Oh, I was expecting something like 'it's a planetary conjuntion where the dream world meets your world' or something like that.
Are we looking at the same pictures?

I'm quite unfamiliar with what you're referring to, unfortunately.

Yes, I'm pretty sure we are.

Not all crop forms are extra-dimensional ;)

One would not usually materialize so close to other shapes or lines. Besides that, it doesn't have the proper signature. And besides that, those guys are hilarious!

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Thank you Chaol. I understand.

No worries. Just shooting from the hip.

Hi MM, please explain to me your understanding. It might kick start mine into action. Thanks in advance.

Because the steps to call a specific experience into perspective require logic and because the "steps" are subjective, it is not possible to define the steps ahead of time if the experiece you're trying to call is currently illogical. Ok, so with that in mind, and considering that all is within current perspective, we need only find the logical steps within the current perspective.

We do this in the same way we might remove what may be a newly found fossil from a rock. We are certain that what we want is the fossil, but we are not sure it's shape or condition, so we slowly chip away at the stone to reveal more of it to chip away at, until we hold the fossil in our hand.

Chaol has advised that what comes next will be that which requires the least energy to do so. This is why he says "the path of least resistance."

Hope this helped.

Hi Choal,

A sensory deprivation tank is a sound proof and completely dark tank. It is filled with salt and water heated to the temperature of your body. There is enough salt to float so that your ears are under water, greatly decreasing hearing. When introducing meditation to silence thought then there is nothing being perceived. If it worked perfectly what would the implications of this be?



Can a symbol change? Let's say I had a symbol that represented automated income, could it change into something like a symbol that represents a golden era of happiness for all? Does this mean that I logically view a golden era as the most relative and logical way to achieve some sort of automated income. Or maybe because my goals have changed and I have little use for money that it is allowing me to continue on my path.

Would the golden era of happiness for all have to include some sort of automated income for it to become relative and the symbol to change. Or does automated income have to become irrelevant for it to become relative.

I guess I am just a little confused on how symbols transform.

Is there only one symbol needed initially, or should we always be trying to transform that symbol until the symbol is the representation? In the case of the table to spaceship, at first the symbol for the space ship is the table, but after the table drawer is opened and the science paper is found, does following the path of least resistance mean that the spaceship is now symbolized in the paper.

I believe this is where most people are stuck in ecsys. Perhaps you can elaborate on the path of least resistance and relativity.

Following a symbol I made a few months ago has led me to take a year off of Dental school. I am enjoying the ride but I would really like to take my understanding of ecsys to greater levels.

Any chance for some more advanced topics?

This is interesting to me - I'm visiting the this area at the end of the week.
So, Chaol - some crop circles are human-made, yes? Including this one? Why are these guys (who made the cropcircle?) hilarious?
And the 'proper signature' - to show it is extra-dimensional? What would a proper signature be?
Thanks :)

Ah, okay. So in the case of looking at "what I really want" is it accurate that you are speaking in terms of the dissolution of lack, or, in the negative? As in, "what I really want" being "no bills" or "no walls"?

Let's say what I really want is a chocolate mint ice-cream cone. Should I look at this and make the choco mint ice-cream cone irrelevant? Or are you suggesting I look at the lack of the ice-cream cone (What I want being "not not having the ice-cream cone") and make that irrelevant?

Thanks for sticking through this, I realize how convoluted it is. Again, appreciate clarity!

Mysterious massive 'explosion' on the nexus point? Must be a coincidence.

Thread: Multi agencies searching for an explosion that has been felt in all NW La..E Texas & S Ar.


@6853315: Anything felt in Texas?