Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

Hi

this is at once a fascinating and baffling thread to me, a completely different way to view "reality" disturbing and exciting all at the same time

"Bat Lady"

Government agents

and a Bentley!

perhaps interaction with this thread will make understanding it "grocking" it more relative to my experience

They want to assist us achieve success in our joint Genius exercise, they have a few trillion to spare...

Hi,

I have been reading Chaol's threads for a few months, but until now did not feel like joining it. It's funny that just after I made up my mind a few weeks ago to join anyway, some of you mentioned how many people are reading this thread, but only a handful of them are actively contributing. So here is one of the silent readers...

As an engineer, I have a rather logical mindset and I am usually pretty critical of things that are discussed on GLP. I actually find it very weird that I ended up on a site that discusses UFOs, crop circles and those kind of stuffs. To be honest this is the first thread that I have not closed right after reading the first few posts.

Anyway the main reason why I am here is because I believe there really is some logic in the Genius that Chaol introduced here and on the ecsys website.

As I have been reading this thread, I could recall quite a few events in my life that most probably happened, because I used a technique similar to the Genius. Although that time I did that without knowing it, now I am willing to do it consciously.

For example when I was a young boy I always wanted a scooter (not the one for kids, but the motorbike). But of course I did not have the money for it. All I could do is to daydream about having it. Actually not the event of getting it, but similar to Chaol's case with the Bentley, I tried to experience with my mind's eye how it feels when I make the scooter stop with my shoes that had red led lights on the back of its sole (maybe you remember those kind of cheap shoes from the beginning of 90's).
Not long after, probably the upcoming summer, my two brothers and me decided to put together our savings and bought a pretty old scooter that we renovated. And then I rode that scooter for real and made it stop by putting my feet on the ground. It felt just like I dreamed about it.

Then a number of years later when I had a pretty hard examination at the university I studied a lot, but the enormous amount of thesis and proofs were not easy at all to understand. At first I always felt like it was not doable, but after I finished studying late in the night I closed my eyes and tried to figure out how it would feel like when I receive an A grade and how the professor would sign my academic record book. And 99% of the time when I did that, I got exactly the grade I expected. When I did not do it (mostly in my earlier years), I had used to get really bad grades, sometimes even failing the exams. But that's probably more than enough of me and my past.

The question that I have not found yet in this thread, and I really wonder why it has not occurred to anyone yet, is WHY does the Genius work? On ecsys website Chaol nicely describes what and how to do to change your perspective (create symbol, create surrounding logic, and allow possibility for interaction, then interact), but there is not a single word about the WHY? Probably it's just me, but as an engineer, I really want to know why things work. I understand, Chaol, that you told us, it is not important why it works, as long as it works, but still it has really been bugging me recently.

So after philosophizing about what I read here and some other websites, I came up with an answer for the following questions: 'Why does the Genius work? Why can it alter our perspective and thus our "reality"?'
I am sure I have not found the ultimate answer for life, universe and everything right away, but I would be glad if you could add your own thoughts or maybe disprove my thesis.

Why does Genius work?

As Chaol has already pointed out, we perceive what takes the least energy to perceive. This is one fact I will use later. Another important aspect is that our subconscious mind never tries to disprove our beliefs, or in other words it will never ever question what our conscious mind tells it, it accepts everything we put into it. An example: if someone thinks that all other people hate them and noone ever wants to talk to them, he/she will perceive that not a single person will talk to him/her. So the experience will match his/her beliefs.

Now, if we consider that when we create a symbol, which is a representation of something, and that symbol has NO PREATTACHED MEANING, then our subsonscious mind will accept that symbol as is. It will not try to make a difference between the actual thing and the representation of that thing, AKA our symbol.

Now we begin to create rules around that symbol. Eg. we want a car, and our symbol is an abstract art made from papier mache or whatever. It really does not matter. Through the rules we allow periodic interaction with the symbol, which (at least for our subconscious mind) is the very same thing as the actual thing it represents.

We also allow possibility for it, eg. put that papier mache to a car dealer, etc.

And here comes the tricky part: according to our conscious mind the car must exist, otherwise we would find it completely illogical to be able to interact with it. This is because we are used to the fact that we can touch, interact with only those stuffs that exist in our reality.
Fortunately the subconscious mind will help us out, because it is so much smarter than what we actually think it is: since we perceive what is easiest to perceive, it will begin to make up a story to make it believable for us that the desired, currently (at least logically) not existing car actually does exist. And in this case the easiest way to perceive (have relationship with, interact with, etc.) something which does not exist yet but you already interact with, is if it actually exists in your perspective, so it is exactly what will happen.

I think that this method not only works for the future, but as someone mentioned earlier, this can even work backwards in time: the subconscious mind might even make up a story that we had a forgotten bank account that holds just enough money to buy that car. It really does not matter how the goal is achieved, the subconscious mind will always find a way to make a believable story for you.

By the way, I am also in for a new car: for the last couple of months I have been daydreaming about a nice, big 7 seater car, but since I already have a nice, comfortable, reliable car, it was just not logical to get another, big one. We have two children, and although I wanted, my wife did not want a third child.
But then this summer I started reading this thread and got to know the Genius, and I created a symbol for that car finally + possibility + rules + interaction, etc. Now I feel that my subconscious mind must have started working on a believable story about why I need that bigger, 7 seater car: a few weeks ago it turned out that my wife is expecting our third child. I was really happy, I must say :)
But then I tried to put a third baby seat to the back of our car, and in spite of all my efforts, it just could not fit even if changing the order of the kid's seats.
I believe this must be a part of the story that my subconscious mind has already come up with. Now it only needs to find out how to actually get that new car, as first our current car needs to be sold at a good price, and we almost instantly need to get that new car otherwise the four of us can't go anywhere. What makes it a little harder, is that I don't know yet how exactly will I get the missing $10.000. But I am pretty sure this isn't much of a problem for the subconscious mind :)

And the reason why our symbol that we use for the Genius should have NO or as little PREATTACHED MEANING as possible, is because then our subconscious mind will parallelly also make up another story to make that other thing (which was also represented by the symbol) exist too, that we probably did not event want to exist.
Moreover, if we are not sure what other things it might represent besides what we intended, we might attract some unknown, sometimes nasty bad stuff to us and end up with a reality that we are not comfortable with at all.

Sorry for the mistakes in language and the typos, but it is already late at night here and unfortunately English is not my native language (and neither is EC :)). I would really appreciate any comments on my thoughts above.

UMMMM, wow! I just found a completely unexpected $2,130 in bank!!! And I havn't even finished, setting up my end of the Genius exercise yet.

Umm... I guess I'm going for an enjoyable job...

UMMMM, wow! I just found a completely unexpected $2,130 in bank!!! And I havn't even finished, setting up my end of the Genius exercise yet.

Okay, you're off to a good start. Here's what I suggest. Create your "map" with the 4 elements below. Then, post it here with your ideas and everyone will help. (plus we all learn together as each person brings their perspective.)

4 Steps to create your map:

1-Create symbol: Represent your desired thought, object, or experience physically.*

2-Find possibility: Create or use space for your symbol or the interactions.

3-Interact: Allow the symbol or representation to interact with the various elements of your reaity

5-Structure: For added bonus, develop structure around the interactions.

*Creating a new symbol is best. (Not using one that already has its own meanings behind it.)

For more information on creating your own map, click here: [link to ecsys.org]

Hi Chaol, Unit3 and all, I have a question:

If, perhaps, I had more than one thing I was looking to experience (I know, how weird! ;P) would it be better to create multiple symbols? Or to interwine it into one desired experience and one symbol?

As in:

a) Abundance (A cash amount in my bank account)
b) Abundance through career (Or more specifically, a cash amount in my bank account from my employer in the career I love)
OR
c) Abundance through career and a mate to share it with (Sailing on a yacht bought with money I made in my awesome career with the love of my life).

Or, three separate symbol/rules/potential/structure paradigms (for lack of a better word) for each?

Also, which is best, the more specific or less?

Hope that makes sense? Thanks! And I'm loving all the interaction lately, as well as the reports of the Genius in effect :)

Hi there. I love the interaction too so I'm really glad you joined in.

I had the same thoughts as you when I started out. It was hard to narrow down to one thing but then I finally realized most of it related to money.

I decided to just go with money so I could learn how to do the rest. For me, the simpler I make it, the better.

I'll let Chaol talk to you about the symbols. From what I can tell, it seems the specificity of symbols often have to do with how you may be interacting with them. But I think the general rule is the less specific, the better.

We were planning a group thing which would result in $50 million for each participant. Maybe everyone would still like to try that?

And Major Man, I hope you will continue with taking the lead on this group project. I thought you were doing a good job.

Hi there. I love the interaction too so I'm really glad you joined in.

I had the same thoughts as you when I started out. It was hard to narrow down to one thing but then I finally realized most of it related to money.

I decided to just go with money so I could learn how to do the rest. For me, the simpler I make it, the better.

I'll let Chaol talk to you about the symbols. From what I can tell, it seems the specificity of symbols often have to do with how you may be interacting with them. But I think the general rule is the less specific, the better.

We were planning a group thing which would result in $50 million for each participant. Maybe everyone would still like to try that?

And Major Man, I hope you will continue with taking the lead on this group project. I thought you were doing a good job.

Okay, thanks for your thoughts!

Most of my stuff actually just comes back to being happy, relaxed, peaceful, laughing, etc., and these material/physical things are ways in which to experience all that. But, as someone else was posting about bliss, I've gotten more specific as a result of that earlier feedback from Chaol.

Oh, and I've actually been following and posting for over a year ;P

$50 million sounds good to me!

Awesome you've been posting this long. I'm sorry I didn't recognize you. At one time, I tried to keep track of the AC's. I put wrote their ID number and some details in a pad, but I gave up. Maybe I'll try again. ;o)

Just go with the flow. No need to force it. We'll see how it plays out.

I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.

Is the seller very far from you? Perhaps make friends with them, help restore the car, when the owner passes (soon?) they may leave it to you... Hmm, although that sounds logical... I feel insensitive.

I sort of hoped I'd find a likewise surprise as curve had in my bank account this morning, but I was not so lucky.
We are hitting rock bottom and have to live from 200 euros this entire month; even renting a car transporter to get it in my garage, plus the extra fuel costs we cannot afford.

So this afternoon I'll call the seller to say we like it, we think it is very special, but we cannot afford it at the moment.

First important thing is surviving this month.

Very far, 320 kms or a 3.5 hour's drive from where I live. He has to move this car out of its current storage space before the end of the year.

I do know one thing, Chaol reminded us that resisting something prevents it from changing into your desired experience. Maybe focusing on all the ways it can't happen is keeping it less relative?

Perhaps follow the trend in the past few pages and do some visualization exercises? Imagine yourself driving (the restored car) with your family to a vacation spot that normally requires a lot of wealth? Maybe imagine you all in very expensive clothing, the feel of the fabric against your skin, the push back from the gas pedal as you accelerate and the sensation of just knowing everything turned out better than expected (maybe the smile on your face during that moment of realization and the over all feel of your family loving/enjoying their life)? Maybe even imagine the look on your wife's face as she finds out you have it and it didn't cost you a thing, imagine how that'd make you feel etc??

I don't know Tuuuuur, I've felt like you're almost there but if you read back through your last ten or so posts, you can see a continuum ranging from highly optimistic dreamer to (more currently) defeated realist.

I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.

I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.

I do not understand the desire for new cars and piles of money. I jwant to be able to oob and lucid dream as easily I daydream and fall asleep.

All good. I've been traveling quite a lot lately, so my IP has changed/been changing :)

There is no accounting for taste, I guess.
When I was a little kid, I used to be daydreaming about being able to teleport to anywhere whenever I wanted. But I think a bigger car is more relevant to me now. And this way I could go to almost anywhere, almost whenever I want with my whole family. :)

I think it may be much easier to perceive physical things, like a car, or a lot of money on a bank account, because we can see examples for those around us, so our conscious mind accepts it more easily. While I have yet to see anyone who teleports at will on a daily basis, I have already seen quite a few families with nice, big cars, and people with decent wealth. I am not saying OOB is impossible though - I only think (at least for me) OOB would be too big a step at first and possibly a little scary experience, too. But feel free to experiment and please share your results:)

Tell me how to create a Genius map for this and I'll do it. The desire is not so much for things, it's to learn HOW we create our perspective.

Edit: And once we learn how we create our perceptions, would oob and lucid dreaming be relevant any more? My favorite quote:

"It's all your perception. If some of your perceptions are good while others are bad, then it is difficult to see your reality as a single perspective."

Looks very, very nice!
Will that app run on Mac or Linux as well?

I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.

I don't know is the honest answer, hopefully someone will know if .net applications run on mac/linux?

I am sure there will be some program what allows cross compatibility and it is something I will look into in the future if no one knows how.

Updates
The program works from my desktop and another laptop :D, currently in the stages of doing a website and a step by step tutorial.

Its going to be a really helpful tool for learning EC.