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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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What if a non-profit consciousness research group is legally formed? Then is it logical?
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If the intention was to enrich participants by USD $50 million, I don't see how it would make sense in different perspectives.

Care to illustrate how?
 Quoting: Chaol




Because $150 million USD is needed for the land, buildings, equipment and salaries. And each participant is a share-holder.

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Yes. There are no 'good' or 'bad' interactions.

The symbol should be neutral (as free of pre-extant value as you think possible)

Potential Energy is inherently neutral.

Logic is neutral because it does not matter what it is.

And Interactions are neutral because there's only the objective values created in relationships. (How these are perceived depends on perspective.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, this'll be my last one for today. :)

Given your reply above (and all times prior) as to what symbols 'are' and 'are not' supposed to represent....would it not be better to just continually be creating symbols and the subsequent Genius Relationary steps without regard to any thing in particular. This way, someone like Gespenst, who can't consciously pin down any physical desires, can just start making symbols and steps and haphazardly (sub-consciously) fall into the exact thing he wanted without being aware of it before hand.

??? does my question make sense

Thanks again, Chaol. You're aces!
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Yes, it makes sense. And it can be done.

The difficult part, though, is determining what the symbol is (loosely) for so that it could be discarded or interactions enhanced if need be.

Eventually, though, I'm hoping some of us will get to the point of creating the symbols on-the-fly (mentally) so this could be a logical path to there.
 Quoting: Chaol




Aha!

1) So once we determine what the symbol is for, we can make the symbols mentally?

2) And the symbols can change as we progress?

3) So what the symbol is for, is permanent?

4)The symbol is changeable?

5) And how are interactions enhanced? (by changing the symbol?)
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So would it work if we developed several symbols and just left them around different places? And we need to define those spaces before leaving them there?
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Yes, that would work.

No need to define the spaces beforehand. Just be sure to create a new symbol should you change the space that it interacts in.
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So I would create a new symbol for the bank, and a new symbol for the grocery store, etc:? And do I need to use the same symbol each time I go to the bank and each time I go to the grocery?

And could these symbols be created each day or do they need to be created at one time before starting interaction?
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If your space used (Possibility) is the bank then the symbol would be different than that used for the grocery store.

If the symbol is something you take with you then just keep in mind that it needs a defined space with which to process interactions. (It could be a bag, for example.)

No need to create a new symbol each day. They can be created at any time in past/present/future.
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Defined space means deciding the space before using the symbol?

The last statement I find very exciting. TY.
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
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You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
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Chaol,

Based on your flags, you really get around. Would you mind placing my red arrow with an X on the tail on some first tee boxes on your travels?

Thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5877556


The flags are near-meaningless. I just like to play with colors. They change because of the proxy servers that I use to access this site.

But can you define your exercise?
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I have asked the group to work with me. My symbol for earning >$5M per year for 10 years on the PGA Tour is a red arrow with an X for a tail. We are mentally placing it on the first tee box of golf courses so it can interact with all of the golfers that play the courses.
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May I ask, what does the arrow or 'X' represent?
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Nothing in particular. It's just a symbol that came to mind. I wrapped it in red electrical tape. When i visualized myself going to the teebox it was the object that appeared in my hand so i placed it down. Now i have and mentally placed it on numerous tee boxes.
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Nothing in particular. It's just a symbol that came to mind. I wrapped it in red electrical tape. When i visualized myself going to the teebox it was the object that appeared in my hand so i placed it down. Now i have and mentally placed it on numerous tee boxes.
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I'm curious to see how it works.

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What if a non-profit consciousness research group is legally formed? Then is it logical?
 Quoting: Unit3


If the intention was to enrich participants by USD $50 million, I don't see how it would make sense in different perspectives.

Care to illustrate how?
 Quoting: Chaol




Because $150 million USD is needed for the land, buildings, equipment and salaries.
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Then an other route may likely be found (by your sub-conscious) that uses less energy. The money could come from other sources, for example. (It also assumes that everyone would give all or most of the money to the research facility.)

The idea is to make it so that the only logical way to get to your destination is to take a route that your intention is on.

Imagine you're Bill Gates and it's the 1980s. You have only 1 wish. Do you:

1) Wish that Microsoft become the biggest software company in the world, or

2) create a plan for you to perceive your software being installed on PC after PC?

perhaps his Genius model would be like the following...

Symbol = create Windows
Potential Energy = Computer hard drives
Interaction = people interfacing with Windows
Logic = whenever someone purchases a copy of Windows I will input 1 additional value of pi into my spreadsheet

So in this example, the destination is reached by defining the route.

And as the space for interaction expands in perspective (the size of hard drives) so do the interactions with the software.

The problem with #1 is that you have not symbolized your intentions to your sub-conscious, so it does not know what you want to perceive. Your sub-conscious does not speak English. It communicates metaphorically and, thus, creates your reality through symbology.
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27418261


You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Thank you very much marshwiggle
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27418261


You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


Thank you very much marshwiggle
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
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You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
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Thank you very much marshwiggle
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
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You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
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Thank you very much marshwiggle
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What is something that only PGA tour winners experience?
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Nothing in particular. It's just a symbol that came to mind. I wrapped it in red electrical tape. When i visualized myself going to the teebox it was the object that appeared in my hand so i placed it down. Now i have and mentally placed it on numerous tee boxes.
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I'm curious to see how it works.
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So will you participate by placing the symbol mentally or not?
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27418261


You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
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Thank you very much marshwiggle
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What is something that only PGA tour winners experience?
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An invitation to the Player's Championship. If you don't win, you don't play in it. Why??
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There is no where the Genius is not used.

Everything that exists is one of the four elements and "follows" the same steps that we here illustrate.
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I'm seeing it all over.

That I, and others, do it all the time.

The Geniuses we devise on this thread will seem crazy to others.

The 'Geniuses' people partake in every day are no less crazy ;)
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Ok. My symbol is an arrow with an X where the tail is like this

X-------->. Covered in red tape. Please place it mentally on the first tee box of a golf course near you. I have already placed it at about 20 tee boxes mentally. Thanks for all of your help.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27418261


You've now got one in a popular course in N Wales :)
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Thank you very much marshwiggle
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You're welcome. You're welcome. You're welcome. (or in Welsh, Croeso :) )
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What I'd like to ask is,

If I am working with the Genius, with a specific aim in mind, is there any point in changing it regularly, as with the Expanded Perspective Exercise, Chaol?

So, for example, I've got a newly made SYMBOL,
the POSSIBILITY is it's attached to my mobile,
the INTERACTION is with all the people I've got numbers for, and the LOGIC is I sniff my symbol (! - it's got a bit of incense in it) each time I turn my phone on

what I'm wondering is, is there a benefit to in a couple of days, keeping the SYMBOL and changing the other elements?
 Quoting: Marshwiggle


You would need a new symbol when you change the other elements. (Otherwise your sub-conscious will get 'confused'.)

Also, the more symbols the better. But of course you can start with one symbol.
 Quoting: Chaol


For clarity, Chaol, is there a benefit in regularly changing the elements of a Genius, while keeping the same intention for it?

And, are you also suggesting that many symbols (Geniuses?) for the same intention is a good idea?
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Another silent reader here :) I want to see if Chaol can clarify some things for me.

Let's say that I want to use The Genius to get a new house. So, I visualize myself standing in my new house and I start to perceive the other objects around me.

To my left is a table. On the table is a letter from a company called Service Pros. It's a thank you letter, thanking me for my recent business. They came out to my house to fix my heating unit just in time for the winter. I even remember the first time the faulty unit was brought to my attention by the person selling the house. I got a better deal on the house because of it.

Attached to the letter is a receipt for the $143.92 that I already paid them for fixing it.

I see this as logical narrative. So now I would create a symbol, give it logic, find space for it and then interact with it. My question is, would I define the new symbol AS the letter? When I interact with the symbol, when I follow a rule I've created for it, and when I place it on my computer desk (space), does my subconscious know that I'm actually interacting with the the letter on the table? Does it know that I'm following the logic of the letter and perceiving the table it sits on as it's space? Does it then work to bridge the two perspectives?

Or am I ruining the symbol by defining it as the letter? Am I forcing the symbol to exist as a small pre-defined possibility therefore limiting other ways from which the house would come about?

Sorry for the wall of questions, but you're input is appreciated! tounge
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That example helps but still hard to grasp for an earthling.
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Okay!

What is consciousness to you?

Is there anything that you're completely aware of?

Thanks.
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Are you?
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The former is easily measured the latter is less-so.

Why not make it more specific? For example,

"I can go out of my body to ______ after I ________ and breath rhythmically for _______ minutes."

When you define it...
 Quoting: Chaol


I see what you're saying and agree. Thank you. I 've not been specific enough.

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The reason we cannot is because it would require us to become a different kind of human being.

Do you realise what these abilities would mean for your current life? Would you be ready for constant sennight sickliness when rapidly changing betwixt worlds? Seeing things that the person next to you does not see?

You'd have to change your whole personhood to get to that state.

Think about what it would mean and you're half-way there.
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I do think about it, often. I wonder if I'd have to "die" or get(pretend to be?) mentally "insane" in the objective perspective to obtain what I am looking for. I am feeling out a good balance of subjective "inter-dimensional" travel and living a "normal" life. I'd like to allow my wife (a devout atheist) and family(christian based apatheists) to remain relevant. I do see them slowly changing perspective as I do (since they are values of myself)... and where they had previously said I was misunderstanding reality, they're beginning to show a glimmer of understanding.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The "I'd like to allow my wife (a devout atheist) and family(christian based apatheists) to remain relevant." part may be quite difficult, unless of course you're willing to change an entire world (this one) to bring them closer to your new one.

Or you can find a way to do it in ways that are relevant to them. Making it a game, for example.
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My Wife and Family, as I perceive them "here" are already recurring characters in my outer-realm experience. Similar to the way the cast followed Dorothy to Oz(a realm she experienced in a spontaneous oob). Repeating patterns of relevancy seen through a kaleidoscope of perspective.

(thanks again Chaol)
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Jesse, do you have any idea how your family follows you into the outer-realm experiences? I feel I have one family member that I can bring along with what I'm going to present next as my Genius goal, but I'm not sure about my husband.

Chaol said to make it a game, but I don't think I know how to do this with another realm. Any ideas?
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I think we should work all together on something easily tangible (if it suits your perspective) before trying esoteric concepts. I too am excited for that, however I think that type of advanced work would be best suited when we have a running vocabulary for neuronicons and can use it to create symbols on the fly.

To describe these things you need a language to define its values to yourself, however what you are talking about has no value in the English language and therefore is currently out of our perspective.

I think some of these concepts will involve the cessation of the grand illusion of matter which might be a bit tricky to pull of.

Just some thought, but please play the game as you fancy.
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Any feedback is appreciated Chaol,

"Wish":

To view a proof of transaction that shows that I transferred 450 million US dollars to 9 separate accounts, each receiving 50 million US dollars.

Symbol: create functional Breakage website (which would be in the future, as it is only a prototype now)

Potential energy/ Space
: Internet

Interaction: People interfacing with the website.

Logic: A.) whenever we give away a prize I will do a sit-up

B.) Whenever there is a record amount of money we giveaway to a story “breaker” I will do a push-up



1. Would this not work because there is not yet an exact path for how the website becomes functional?

2. Would it be better to have the symbol be the current prototype, or would that already have attached meaning?

Thank you for you continued help Chaol!
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I see what you're saying and agree. Thank you. I 've not been specific enough.

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I do think about it, often. I wonder if I'd have to "die" or get(pretend to be?) mentally "insane" in the objective perspective to obtain what I am looking for. I am feeling out a good balance of subjective "inter-dimensional" travel and living a "normal" life. I'd like to allow my wife (a devout atheist) and family(christian based apatheists) to remain relevant. I do see them slowly changing perspective as I do (since they are values of myself)... and where they had previously said I was misunderstanding reality, they're beginning to show a glimmer of understanding.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda


The "I'd like to allow my wife (a devout atheist) and family(christian based apatheists) to remain relevant." part may be quite difficult, unless of course you're willing to change an entire world (this one) to bring them closer to your new one.

Or you can find a way to do it in ways that are relevant to them. Making it a game, for example.
 Quoting: Chaol


My Wife and Family, as I perceive them "here" are already recurring characters in my outer-realm experience. Similar to the way the cast followed Dorothy to Oz(a realm she experienced in a spontaneous oob). Repeating patterns of relevancy seen through a kaleidoscope of perspective.

(thanks again Chaol)
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Jesse, do you have any idea how your family follows you into the outer-realm experiences? I feel I have one family member that I can bring along with what I'm going to present next as my Genius goal, but I'm not sure about my husband.

Chaol said to make it a game, but I don't think I know how to do this with another realm. Any ideas?
 Quoting: Unit3


They do not follow me, I render them from what I perceive them to be.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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The "I'd like to allow my wife (a devout atheist) and family(christian based apatheists) to remain relevant." part may be quite difficult, unless of course you're willing to change an entire world (this one) to bring them closer to your new one.

Or you can find a way to do it in ways that are relevant to them. Making it a game, for example.
 Quoting: Chaol


My Wife and Family, as I perceive them "here" are already recurring characters in my outer-realm experience. Similar to the way the cast followed Dorothy to Oz(a realm she experienced in a spontaneous oob). Repeating patterns of relevancy seen through a kaleidoscope of perspective.

(thanks again Chaol)
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda



Jesse, do you have any idea how your family follows you into the outer-realm experiences? I feel I have one family member that I can bring along with what I'm going to present next as my Genius goal, but I'm not sure about my husband.

Chaol said to make it a game, but I don't think I know how to do this with another realm. Any ideas?
 Quoting: Unit3


They do not follow me, I render them from what I perceive them to be.
 Quoting: Jesse Sovoda




OK. Gotcha!


P.S. To the silent reader that just posted. Glad you're here. We are all learning together and I feel each brings a perspective that is helpful for others. Good luck with the Genius! flower

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I think we should work all together on something easily tangible (if it suits your perspective) before trying esoteric concepts. I too am excited for that, however I think that type of advanced work would be best suited when we have a running vocabulary for neuronicons and can use it to create symbols on the fly.

To describe these things you need a language to define its values to yourself, however what you are talking about has no value in the English language and therefore is currently out of our perspective.

I think some of these concepts will involve the cessation of the grand illusion of matter which might be a bit tricky to pull of.

Just some thought, but please play the game as you fancy.
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You're probably right. The whole point is to learn HOW we create our perspectives. So, the simpler, the better. And a group project is fine with me.
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As we decide a group project, let's recap some of the things we have learned.

1) Each space must be defined.
2) A symbol is assigned to each space with each space having it's own symbol
3) Symbols may be mental and can be positioned at any time in the past/present/future.
4) Symbols should have the least amount of value possible. They need not even look like any known thing.
5) Every interaction is neutral, so leaving a symbol in a space where it might be thrown away is acceptable interaction.
6) If the space is changed, it must be defined and a new symbol created.
7) Logic must be incorporated so it makes sense how one goes from current perspective to new perspective.

Every Genius has 4 elements:
(I've noticed we seem to use interchangeable words with the elements so I'll try to include them.)

Symbol
Potential Energy, Space, Possibility, Rules
Interaction
Logic


The elements are the logical steps to fulfill the goal.

1) So, we have a thing(symbol)

2) We make rules about the symbol (which do not need to make sense, in fact it's better if they don't make sense. Singing to the symbol for example.)

3) We decide how the symbol will be interacted with. We take the symbol some WHERE and do something with it.

4) Logic: What I'm going to do when someone interacts with my symbol.


Edit: I wonder if it would be easier to decide something to happen for each of us individually rather than a group? Such as, each of us get $50 million in our bank account. Then, we talk about the steps and logic to go from current perspective to the new perspective?

I'm thinking if we can agree on one thing, then we can work together trying to figure out the rest of the steps.

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So would it work if we developed several symbols and just left them around different places? And we need to define those spaces before leaving them there?
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Yes, that would work.

No need to define the spaces beforehand. Just be sure to create a new symbol should you change the space that it interacts in.
 Quoting: Chaol




So I would create a new symbol for the bank, and a new symbol for the grocery store, etc:? And do I need to use the same symbol each time I go to the bank and each time I go to the grocery?

And could these symbols be created each day or do they need to be created at one time before starting interaction?
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If your space used (Possibility) is the bank then the symbol would be different than that used for the grocery store.

If the symbol is something you take with you then just keep in mind that it needs a defined space with which to process interactions. (It could be a bag, for example.)

No need to create a new symbol each day. They can be created at any time in past/present/future.
 Quoting: Chaol




Are you saying if I decide I want to take a symbol to the bank weekly and the grocery twice per week and on my daily walks, that I need to define the bag I'll carry them in and also define each space with a different symbol for each space?



(I'll get back to you on past/present/future.....I'm still thinking about it.)
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Yes. There are no 'good' or 'bad' interactions.

The symbol should be neutral (as free of pre-extant value as you think possible)

Potential Energy is inherently neutral.

Logic is neutral because it does not matter what it is.

And Interactions are neutral because there's only the objective values created in relationships. (How these are perceived depends on perspective.)
 Quoting: Chaol


Chaol, this'll be my last one for today. :)

Given your reply above (and all times prior) as to what symbols 'are' and 'are not' supposed to represent....would it not be better to just continually be creating symbols and the subsequent Genius Relationary steps without regard to any thing in particular. This way, someone like Gespenst, who can't consciously pin down any physical desires, can just start making symbols and steps and haphazardly (sub-consciously) fall into the exact thing he wanted without being aware of it before hand.

??? does my question make sense

Thanks again, Chaol. You're aces!
 Quoting: X Won 1407931


Yes, it makes sense. And it can be done.

The difficult part, though, is determining what the symbol is (loosely) for so that it could be discarded or interactions enhanced if need be.

Eventually, though, I'm hoping some of us will get to the point of creating the symbols on-the-fly (mentally) so this could be a logical path to there.
 Quoting: Chaol




I too would like to create symbols on the fly and mentally. I don't see how they are interacted with unless it's something like our pro-golfer has us doing which is to place the symbol mentally somewhere.

The other thing I don't quite understand is if we create symbols on the fly, how they fit in with a plan where we already have created and defined space, interaction, etc;.
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I think the symbols on the fly has to do with creating the genius in your brain.

When you create a mental symbol you are manipulating thought and unlocking certain values in your current perspective, which causes a change in your neurons.

The change in these neurons manipulates the values of those relationships. (we uncover new perspectives only by changing relationships)

Subconscious does the rest while you need only manage the representations and move yourself into position (Less sure as to how this works)

symbol = neuronicon
space = your brain
interaction = neurons forming new relationships
logic = neurons fire after neurons change.
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Team Chaos (As Chaos is the goddess of interaction and interaction allows for relationships and these are only things that are real):

1 create a symbol


Just anything that doesn’t have a preassigned meaning, create something physical. This is your representation for 50 million US dollars in your account, and all you really have control over, your subconscious (genius) will handle the rest.

Focus not on the thing you want itself, but on the experiences surrounding it. (i.e. a tax form you must fill out for an income exceeding 50 million US dollars.)

2 find possibility (potential energy, space, emotion, capital, incentives)

Chaol mentions that it will benefit those involved in a group to have our symbols as part of the same space. I believe that the internet is the best space we all share. It is also a very large part of our perspectives and offers the potential for large amounts of interaction

3 interaction (association, conversation, playing, competing, consciousness)

the interaction should enable the logic, which allows for relationships. By making a symbol and putting it on the internet, We can allow for numerous people to interact with that symbol. As well as the numerous non obvious interactions that would take place from utilizing the world wide web as the space for possibility.

4 Logic (rules, logic, structure, hieracrchy)

These rules are unimportant and can be anything. However they should be enabled from the interaction. If your interaction is a person interacting with your symbol on the web, make rules for those interactions (i.e. clap your hands every time your symbol gets a thumbs up on facebook)

get excited and....GO TEAM CHAOS!!!!

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P.S. To the silent reader that just posted. Glad you're here. We are all learning together and I feel each brings a perspective that is helpful for others. Good luck with the Genius! flower
 Quoting: Unit3


Thank you!

Been reading for a long time. Your questions have definitely helped me to understand a few things.

I'm following the group project with much interest. I will throw in some input/suggestions if I can think of anything! hf

P.S. I did just notice this:

Every Genius has 4 elements:
(I've noticed we seem to use interchangeable words with the elements so I'll try to include them.)

Symbol
Potential Energy, Space, Possibility, Rules
Interaction
Logic
 Quoting: Unit3


And wanted to say that I think Rules falls under the Logic category - just wanted to clear any confusion before it gets too deep :)





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