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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives.
Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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If there is only one perspective, fragmented into countless (but finite) perspectives and if each fragment/perspective contains the whole, then where the "new" could/would come from?

Chaol has stated that nothing is created (and therefore nothing dies*), which means that "new" does not exist. "New", doesn't change perspectives


However, please allow me to supplement your thought

As I think of it, or understand it, is that in order to have "a" perspective it requires to have "a" question and "an" answer. If one has no questions (because he knows everything maybe), then there is no perspective (or, you can say "directionless", or has everything in his perspective). The same applies, I assume, if you have unanswerable questions or answers that you dont know the question. Or else we can say, it is not in your perspective, it doesn't exist, because you cannot relate a question to an answer. "This", does not exist because either you dont know what "this" is, or because you haven't asked what "this" is. If you have, then "this" exists, in your perspective.

As we all know, the "meaning in ("my") life" is situated where "my" questions point it to be. By changing questions -that "I" ask in "my" life- "I" change the "meaning in my life" (or what I define meaning in my life) and thus perspective.

In that context, I understand the "expanded perspective" as the process by which you somehow keep on asking questions after answers, until you decide to arrive to conclusions, where is the place one rests because he got bored of thinking, as they say and wants to live :)

With the same token, methinks, if i change questions, I change my reality. So, the questions I ask determine the "size" of my reality or how expanded my big picture/reality is.

The way you form these questions is through letters/words in a logical manner (grammar/syntax), creating something like a string of symbols, which makes it important consequently, to know what words/symbols to use for the purpose.
Let's not forget the truism that even the deepest secret in the universe will be told in a language that we understand and with words that we already know and exist.

The above of course refer to what I understand (bring into my perspective :)), or misunderstand, when i read Chaol writing about "the perspective...". I hope it helped, if i have not misunderstood Chaol and not been boring.


*If immortal is something that never dies, then the only immortal is the one that has never been born. So, if nothing has been born (created), then everything is immortal. This is how Chaol has suggested us to think of him, afew pages back if I remember.

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Life and immortality have naught to do with birth and death.
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There is only one perspective, but that single perspective fragments into countless other perspectives.
Each fragment is a world unto itself. Each fragment is a unique perspective. But, just as described in ideas of a "holographic universe", each fragment also contains the whole.

Something I didn't comprehend years ago, but I think that now I do, is that new information will alter a fragment. New information will change a perspective.
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If there is only one perspective, fragmented into countless (but finite) perspectives and if each fragment/perspective contains the whole, then where the "new" could/would come from?
 Quoting: panoukos




The new comes from focusing on something else than the usual.



I love what you said here:

"Let's not forget the truism that even the deepest secret in the universe will be told in a language that we understand and with words that we already know and exist."


Oh, how I have tried to discuss this with people who tell me about all their experiences with the Divine. They don't want to hear it. If you read NDE's and trips to heaven/hell, you can see the belief system at work. I have experienced this myself.

Every "spiritual" experience I have ever had, fit into my belief system at the time. Since I've changed my mind so many times, it's easy to see how the programming explains the experience, LOL!!!!

I am now trying to program myself to enter a world that Chaol says is a "culture" shock. Since I've been places that were a culture shock to me and I have also been with others who feel they were experiencing one, the main thing I notice is it helps if someone is there to program you to understand what you are seeing.

Strange, eh?

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i am not going to lie. you people need to chillout with this stuff.

maybe start with a hobby.

from my perspective you all sound like a bunch of looney tunes.
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We're Looney Tunes? I call dibs on the Roarunner!
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
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Been wondering where you've been. How about a Genius so you can register with GLP? rockon
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We're Looney Tunes? I call dibs on the Roarunner!
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Dibs on Tweety Bird!!!!!!!!
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I have returned.
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The Genius related







Best 35 minutes of my day so far.

It would seem 'intuition' is some sort of reply from your sub conscious?

That is probably why when you follow intuition it blows your mind.

The more you trust it and work with it the more you will be able to harness it better.

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i am not going to lie. you people need to chillout with this stuff.

maybe start with a hobby.

from my perspective you all sound like a bunch of looney tunes.
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From our perspective your the "looney tune"

Funny that.

One of my hobbies is to access knowledge in my mind.

All the great thinkers/inventors throughout history have done the same.

If it were not for people doing similar techniques trying to push the mind to see how far they can evolve them selves and this earth, we wouldn't have the internet and the personal computer to interact with others regardless of distance and time.

One downside is that its so user friendly it can be used by anyone, even someone of a low intelligence and not open to new ideas, so every now and then I suppose some fool would pop up, which would lower the tone of a decent conversation.

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We're Looney Tunes? I call dibs on the Roarunner!
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LOL

29674748 can be Elmer Fudd


Dibs on Tweety Bird!!!!!!!!
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Also one of my genius symbols has vanished, literally disappeared, I'm just going to leave it though, not try to find it.

Trust the genius to lead me to what it symbolised.

Trust and belief are big factors when working with your sub-conscious mind. It doesn't like doubt at all.
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Also, I became aware that knowledge can be transferred whilst in a certain state of awareness.

Keep that in mind.
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Posted this in the dream world thread too.

I wouldn't recommend bad information.

ALOT of questions will be answered in 50 mins.

The first bit might not be for everyone, but the knowledge contained after is absolutely solid and will be what some people need to expand past the void.

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I have returned.
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In my perspective, you never left!


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Will be checking out the videos.

Thanks.
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I have returned.
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And you. I, I say...Foghorn Leghorn.
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I have returned.
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And you. I, I say...Foghorn Leghorn.
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I have returned.
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And you. I, I say...Foghorn Leghorn.
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Indubitably I say, I say, Mr. Daffy Duck.
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
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Et voila!

www.ecsys.weebly.com/forum.html
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I have returned.
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damned
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How long would we have if the note was a calculation based on the speed of the expansion of the universe a a 5 of light speed and the note is from somebody in another universe coming at us at a speed that is,
a) slight slower than light speed so we get a 3 hour window to prevent a collision.

b) slightly faster than the speed of light so we get the news 3 hours after the collision has already taken place.

How would the notes differ?
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How long would we have if the note was a calculation based on the speed of the expansion of the universe a a 5 of light speed and the note is from somebody in another universe coming at us at a speed that is,
a) slight slower than light speed so we get a 3 hour window to prevent a collision.

b) slightly faster than the speed of light so we get the news 3 hours after the collision has already taken place.

How would the notes differ?
 Quoting: MHz


How is it possible for them to differ? Time is relative.
Consider the possibility that you order yourself into being from chaos... You do this, always, in all ways. This "ordering" has resulted in the possibilities you're experiencing, here, now. In each experience you've ever had, more and more of "this" reality is generated logically from your previous experience. Your observation of this unfolding of order and chaos is reality.
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Hey Cat Carel you should readd the forum to your site. Ive been banned for a while and im sure many others are.

And if you know proecsys(x)y that bypass glp post tutorial on site.

Thanks

Ive also had success with genius will post once I get unbanned. My genius plan was to see a shooting star.
 Quoting: SpawnX 29681006


Et voila!

www.ecsys.weebly.com/forum.html
 Quoting: CatCarel





I'm sending a friend who is banned from GLP to this link. I'll try to get him to tell me if he joins. I'll let you know if I find out.

Thanks Cat. It will really help him if he follows through. We'll see!!!!


hf
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The three suns are close to alignment? Can you feel the earth's spin slowing?
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In my dream last night I knew exactly how to assign value to things to make it useful to my experience. When I woke up I could not remember how I did it.
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The three suns are close to alignment? Can you feel the earth's spin slowing?
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I noticed more quietness which I guess could be attributed to the earth's spin. But, this is where I get confused, isn't this our perceptions? Aren't we assigning meaning to our experiences so we can understand it?

I will say that until the shooting today, even the front page of GLP was calm for a couple of days. One evening, there weren't even any doom threads pinned.
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In my dream last night I knew exactly how to assign value to things to make it useful to my experience. When I woke up I could not remember how I did it.
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At least you know it's in your mind. Maybe it's starting to manifest? I"m pulling for you.


hf
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The three suns are close to alignment? Can you feel the earth's spin slowing?
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I noticed more quietness which I guess could be attributed to the earth's spin. But, this is where I get confused, isn't this our perceptions? Aren't we assigning meaning to our experiences so we can understand it?

I will say that until the shooting today, even the front page of GLP was calm for a couple of days. One evening, there weren't even any doom threads pinned.
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There was no shooting today. Just actors following a script. How can peoe not see that this is all faked?





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