Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

As we move to slightly more advanced Ecsys there will be a number of things that I will discuss more.

However, this means that more of us may become uncomfortable with the discussion. It goes with the new territory, I suppose.

Disbelief in something is, indeed, belief in it.

If you truly disbelieved you would not think about it or interact with it.

What you believe in you interact with.

So anything you interact with you believe in. Otherwise you would not set up the framework to interact with it. It would simply be irrelevant.

Aha! You are indicating we go through a series of illusions, figuring out what each means until we realize it is meaningless. Then, we move on to another and repeat.

I sort of see how I've done this in my life, yet at the same time, there are things that I have taken away from illusions. For example, I've learned forgiveness. I've learned the mind fills in to explain experiences.

Could it be said I already had these things, it just didn't occur to me until I explored the relationships that provided the illusion so I could see it?

Because we don't realize we exist, until we interact with the representation we have, from utilizing symbols?

Edit: Iow, nothing exists (including me) until it is observed!!!!!!!

But how would you acquire "knowledge" into your new library/language? again I struggle to explain what I'm trying to get across here with words.

When we create our new language or in EC if you made a neuronicon for "a book of this worlds true history" how would you access it?

Or even a neuronicon for "a full length feature visualization with full control to perceive this worlds true history"

A book wouldn't be as fun for comparison.

Inside the Sphinx's library I have seen others reports of books and "movie" things.

Hi Chaol and welcome back!

Chaol said:
(Non-existence is so.. boring and is the most-resisted idea there is because it implies no relationship with anything.)

We are looking for a way to relate to something. It does not matter how

If we are incapable of not forming relations with anything because we are perspective, how are we capable to fear it (resist it)? How do we know it is boring, since nothing has ever been (because it can't, by default) in that state?

Is it boredom that prevents us from being there or impossibility?

Why do we need this most resisted idea to perform that which we are incapable of not performing it, anyway?

Also, in a different note, would you say that I live in a "with my Genius" state, when I think and act on the first thing that comes to my mind at all times (not necessarily coinciding with "reflex")?

Edit: I wrote the above before I read your answers to my previous posts.

Do you have any immortals there?

We reportedly have some here and I know of a couple of the ways reported of how they attained it.

Also, there is a lot of talk here that immortality is just about possible now, with all the innovations in medicine.

Almost every body part can be replaced in some way and with the additional use of robotics, it's looking like we could establish it as the norm.

Thank you. ;o)

I can now. It's the result of relationships between symbols.

Perspective is afar from questions and answers

Externalizing the desire or want provides us with new perspective.

No intent is needed.

If we experience what is most relative (or seem to) then what choice is there?

You'd be choosing something that not only all ready exists but does not really exist.

This is a longer discussion, as it gets into questions like "what about decisions?" and such.

If you're up for it, let me know.

Okay, so when you use the Sun as a nexus point, you use it on certain dates....seemingly, Nov 17. If this is so, what value have you assigned to that date?

You know, I keep forgetting you have to keep changing the language. Thanks for reminding me once again.

I wish I didn't need the website but I do for now. I still get a lot out of it.

I can see there is still so much to explain.

I can hardly believe you've just scratched the surface in understanding how you create perceptions. I would be quite happy to have your understanding. But then, I suppose it would be boring to know everything, eh? ;o)

Do you have any suggestions as to how to be more aware in dreams? We call it lucid dreaming and there are all kinds of software and devices to help us achieve it.

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Yes. And your interacts have an effect on your dreamworld.

Anything you interact with has an effect on what you'd call your past/present/future perspective.

What does your bed represent?

Hello Chaol, thanks again for all your explanations. You are very kind and patient with us. Also thanks to all who contribute to the discussions because without your interactions, there will be nothing for Chaol to respond to.

I have had a lot of success like I said with the genius and would like to get even braver with my future models. My understanding now is that my perspective comprises of symbols that I interact with and this is existence. Even the aspects of it that are not pleasurable are also interactions to get I can go through to get to my "wanted" destination so to speak. I would like to explore how the geometry of relationships can be explored further (lol sorry for the repetition) to gain more understanding of myself and my perspective. Does this mean welcoming and accepting even things I consider "hazardous" or "not so good" as well as "amazing" and "wonderful" things? I feel like although I have changed a lot in the past month of my immediate surroundings, I should be changing more of how I do and view things.

I already see everyone here (Chaol, AC's and named accounts) as values in my perspective and I'm amazed at how "rich" my perspective really is.

Thanks Unit and others for keeping the topic flowing with your questions. It's very helpful and appreciated.

I absolutely cannot wait for 2013 and all the new relationships it brings!

It would be far more effective if it was something unique that you created, with little-to-no inherent meaning.

This is more a Western-world thing. There are plenty of places left with blue skies, though it's interesting how many of us don't notice the change.

It's an illustration of the resistance to physical change, with depopulation of weaker (generally older) persons thrown in.

Hi. I'm glad to hear your models are working for you. Or, shall I say, you've found a way to communicate more directly with your subconscious.

May I ask, in what way would you like to become more brave with your models? The options are limitless.

If you know how to get your symbol to rest in it, sure :)

My personal definition is different than the one I use in these discussions.

When I refer to subconscious I am referring to the non-waking mind that sits closer with the wheel of perception. However, my definition would be something like, "...those values in our perspective that are most related to us without being what we consider ourselves to be."

As you might be inclined to say, where does this meaning come from?

It's actually very quiet.

You can sit quietly in your chair now even though there's trillions of processes going on inside of your body.

You can represent many of those trillions by simply breathing.

Everything can be represented.

And there's no need to remember any of it.

(At every moment, it could be said, the entire universe is created anew. And it all makes sense again.)

There's no end to the search ;)

The models we use are quite complicated. There's no point in going into them now.

Tetris is fun. The music makes it even more fun. Here's the Ec version: [link to ecsys.org] or [link to ecsys.org]

In the sense of the physical body living forever? Not that I know of.

I'm not sure why anyone would want to do that, though.

Nothing you can't do yourself through the power of dream influence.

Then perspective is the same as consciousness.

Consciousness is everywhere perspective is.

Possibly. But first may I ask why you would want to do that?