Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I just wanted to share the one thing I remember from my dream that I had this morning.

The only thing I remember is asking one of my brothers something along the lines of "Do you want to watch the dreamworld?"

I feel as if I was referring to it as some sort of video game or TV show or something.

And then I woke up! Maybe we decided to interact with the "dreamworld" and it immediately brought me to my waking reality?

First time I can recall ever referring to something called the "dreamworld" in my dreams. Interesting nonetheless! ;)

And in what reality do you think the following concepts make sense?

-chasing people
-squirt bottles
-hot sauce

Do you think that is what was actually happening in the dream, or how you interpreted it in your waking mind?

We can conceptually imagine this but it does not mean that we actually understand it or can use it.

It's not actually possible to understand it, because it would mean understanding nothing-in-particular.

Nothing-in-particular is free of understanding, free of concepts, free of perspective (i.e., those things are meaningless to it).

I don't think the following would be a popular statement but 'teachers' that talk about "oneness with everything" are actually working against nature. But it certainly provides them with a nice bottom line.

It is far more natural to divide perspective than to pretend that experiencing one perspective.

Being One would mean that we would experience not existing.

So, with all this in mind, am I looking at a "genius map" playing out? I see it as an almost "reckess and careless" use for it.

The credit goes to all of us here. I posted the same message (to begin this forum) on an other website but it was only the people on this website who thought to respond. Without all of you here, I'd have nothing to say :)

Unlearning the logic we have learned can be quite difficult. It may be easier to practice by doing things you don't believe in doing, that you would not usually do, or doing things that you all ready do in a different way.

Then you can see the value of other brands of logic (even if you don't agree with them, the act still validates the possibility), and lessen your grip on your current one.

It depends on how accurate we want to be.

Sure, you can say that but it would be more accurate to say that you are that that exists before action and before interaction.

To be a bit less accurate than the above, we could say that we are the result of all things in existence interacting. (The relationship between the symbols.)

Less so again, we are a perspective that experiences the values of our perspective to be different perspective.

All of this is a bit boring and difficult to grasp for some, so I suppose "I am action" (or interaction) works too.

I think the dream makes sense in both realities because it was about the feeling of freedom and having fun with friends. I think my waking mind used these concepts to explain it so it makes sense to me.

I love angles!

There is nothing that is not natural, so when I say that wanting everyone to share in the same experience (same perspective) goes against nature I mean that it is working against the impossible.

To exist, all perspectives must (seem to) exist.

I'm not saying that the deer and such were going against nature. I'm saying that the deer and such exist entirely in your perspective.

They all ready share your perspective.

But to want parts of your perspective to have the same experience as you is going against nature (for lack of better terms) because it is implying that they exist outside of your perspective.

As I've stated before, there is nothing that exists that is not physical. Psychology is a property of physicality, as sound (or matter) is a property of light. All of these are valid illusions and all stem from our physically-oriented perspective.

We can perceive only from this physically-oriented perspective so all values in our perspective (including psychology) are properties of this perspective rather than independent from it.

We are realizing more of what we all ready are. Valid illusions abound!

Aha! The bold statement above makes sense to me because it never felt right to me with the little I dabbled into it. Also, the ones that profess it are not able to exist in this world very easily. I see it as a separation of mind and body myself.

And yes, it very easily is a concept that makes sense to some but doesn't mean they actually understand what they are experiencing.

Thanks, Chaol.

Hi.

Try something more used for its space for your Possibility element.

Do others in your perspective use your body for its space? Or do you?

When you have a new element you may want to re-do interaction according to it.

Then we will rock this model!

And here we are thinking that we are awake :)

If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!

Okay, I see it's all in my perspective and is probably impossible for all to share my experience. But, why is it I see myself influencing the world at times? (Others do too, I'm not the only one.)

Is it just my interpretation and something else is actually happening? Why do you call yourself destroyer of worlds? Aren't you seeing yourself as influencing the world?

Edit: Btw, in the post before this, you ask:

"If we know and understand 0.000000000000000000001% while 'awake' and 0.0000000000023 while 'dreaming', which one is the dream world!"

Are you saying we understand more while dreaming than while awake? (No wonder I like my dreaming world so much more, LOL!) What is the difference in our "awake" mind and dreaming mind?

Thanks

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I'm lost as to what you're saying here. Can you please clarify the above statements and also give me some 'for instance'....?

Thanks. I want to rock a model so bad!!!! Oh just for an inkling of understanding....

Chaol, to elaborate a bit more on what I wrote, I believe I follow you on your statement about using my body for space...and my rational for having my body as the space element for this model was that it represents a security/clearance badge/i.d.--which is kept on my body at all times during my time at the new job.

I'm still at a loss for the entirety of your advice to me, especially the last part about, "re-do interaction according to it". Please elaborate.

Thanks for helping me out...for helping us all out.

XWon, imo, you showed us a wonderful way to use a symbol. Remember when you took one to the classroom and people picked it up and talked about it? That was amazing and opened my eyes. You do have an inkling. But I'm with you as far as there is still so much to learn.

I would love to rock a model. And I'm thinking I need to do one for a "soft landing."

Chaol, would you check this one for me? It's for a soft landing as things change and I'd like it to rock too. (I'm having difficulty with the desire part but I think the rest might be ok.)

Desire: Laughter during May, 2013
Symbol: Paperclip with orange mark and carpet fuzz taped to it.
Space: Bedroom window sill (or would outside the sill be better?)
Interaction: Sunlight, people coming into the room, cars driving by window, people walking by on the street.
Logic: Will open window on Wednesdays and say: "I am "boguy" and having fun." boguy=laughing in May, 2013. Cars will drive by window, sunlight comes in window, people walk by on the street talking, air will circulate around it on Wednesdays when the window is open. Will raise my eyebrows every time someone comes in the room on Wednesdays. Will mark 4. every time I laugh on Wednesdays.

Edit: Also, I have about 5 Genius plans right now. And, I make the symbols for them in the same room before I take them out. And I have 2 symbols that stay in that room most of the time, except for when they are scheduled to leave.

PLUS, remember I found the piece of furniture that I knew was my symbol? It's not in a Genius plan but it's in the same room. So, my question is, am I messing everything up by having all those symbols in the same space even though it's my space? I'm thinking I could get rid of all the Genius plans except this soft landing one or else reduce to this soft landing one and one of the others. What do you think?

Thanks

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Xwon,

Examples of things used for space include envelopes, drawers, bottles, cans, etc.

Not-Chaol

I don't think so. Unless you made one for the 'resultant' perspective.

Some things are just chaos at play.

I see.

So what part of the "chasing people", "squirt bottles", and "hot sauce" experience do you think was a dream world experience (and not an interpretation of it)?

Indeed! It had me thinking that at the same time I was <going to the dreamworld> "over there" I was <waking up> here. Same thing?

This reality really is an other one's dreamworld ;)

I think all three of those are the interpretation of the dreamworld experience.

Since you love angles, heh, let's try this one.

I've talked with you about how a lot of things are done from the "spiritual" within this world. I've seen and done things myself, that seem "supernatural"....and so have some close friends of mine.

Some of these activities seem extraordinary. Such things as reading people's minds, precognition, affecting reality in various ways, bi-location, NDE and on and on. Some report they are born with these abilities and did them as a child.

Even though these abilities may have been achieved through "unnatural" ways, how do you explain these things?

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Nope, I did not "consciously" produce one for this resultant perspective (I did, though, "hope" my wife would work with me instead of against me), but I could argue this whole experience has pushed me up a level in my goal to perceive an "expanded awareness". I am almost "suddenly" aware of "things"(symbols, logic and possibility) I hadn't noticed previously.

It's "all" gotten so interesting since about mid December (and most of it centers around my interaction with my perceived "symbol" of my wife). That's why I thought it might qualify as an "unintentional" use of the genius. Gotta love them (accurate or inaccurate) "aha!" moments, I'd argue they're one of my "carrots on a stick".

Cheers to Chaos (although my "ego" would like to see it differently). Thanks again Chaol.

Surely the world is not outside of your perspective?


What besides your interpretation could there possibly be?


I call myself a destroyer because no one else is willing to take up the title. We often pretend that only creation is of benefit and ignore the possibilities that destruction unveils. I mean "destruction" in the classical sense rather than the Hollywood sense. Tearing down one perspective to unveil an other. Really, there is neither creation nor destruction but rather an unveiling. But "unveiler" is more strange than my persona allows. The unseen hand of chaos slowly pulls back the curtain.


Any aspect of a reality (value of perspective, as I call it) has an effect on all others. So, yes, I am aware of the influence.



There are more interactions in the dreaming perspective, so the potential for understanding is much more significant. (More realized interactions per value, you could say. Or more interactions per second, to be less accurate.)

That's the only difference.

Your possibility element could be your hat, your shoes, a room, a wall, a field (if used).. anything used for its space.

It does not really matter what it is, though you may have different kinds of success with different kinds of spaces.

Each element has a secret life as every other kind of element. A symbol element is also an interaction, possibility, and logic element. (There's only 1 element, fundamentally interpreted 4 different ways in our perspective.)

So, the Possibility element that you use (whatever space you choose) represents (is a symbol for the) possibility and adopts its function. (That's why it doesn't matter so much what kind of space you choose.)

Hope this helps =D

By using your body and ignoring the requirement of the Possibility element, it sounds like you're trying to out-think the Genius ;)

Just follow the rules and let it do its work.

My statement, "...re-do interaction..." just means that when you have a new Possibility element then I would suggest you make a new Interaction element that suits it.

Feel free to ask any other questions about it.

Aren't you using that Symbol for something else?

Regardless, the idea of creating these physical Genius models is so that we can more easily learn (Karate Kid-style) how to do it mentally. The same process would be at work, so I suppose you'd have the same questions.

You could have multiple symbols in the same space though I would not recommend it. Better to use other spaces for it. (The possibilities would decrease when it's more crowded.)

There's so much space from which to choose! It would be ironic, I suppose, if you had a hard time finding space for your "possibility" element =O

Thanks, Noch :)

Yes, quite. And in each we think it is Reality.

They're both equally valid and equally real because (as I've mentioned before) they're different interpretations of the same thing.

As the two worlds merge more of us will have the "This is a dream, isn't it?" feeling. And more of us in the dream world will have the same sense, as you may have experienced.

As I stated a while ago, 2012 is the time when the actors will begin to be exposed. We're experiencing this literally and figuratively. The point is to understand that the stage is much, much bigger than you imagine.

So imagine that you weren't dreaming of it... interpreting stimuli while awake.

Really, you never actually fall asleep. You are all ways aware.

What we call sleeping or dreaming is simply your interpretation of other values that are not so relative to where you're standing now (With "going to sleep" the act of making that transition.)

We interpret those foreign values all the time while not "sleeping". We may find ourselves daydreaming, with missing time, in a coma, being in situations that don't make sense to us, et c.

So, "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" in one perspective (dreaming) becomes "chasing people" in an other (thinking about your dream).

Both are interpretations of the same thing. But your waking mind does not remember "gui7lus minor tresemble.II" because it is not relative to it. Instead, it interprets the geometry of relationships in a way that does make sense and comes up with "chasing people".

And so (most importantly) we are chasing people in a dream and cashing checks while awake.

(While awake, we are also interpreting these relationships. We are not really looking at a monitor reading these words, since an absolute monitor cannot possibly exist. Our "reality" is comprised entirely of interpreting relationships.)

And so, the value of interaction (so that there could be relationships) and the meaninglessness of One-ness.

Imagine that in 5 years pre-cognition became an accepted fact and everyone was experiencing it. Journals and papers were written, and someone even won the Nobel prize. [Just fantasy.. humor me] News reports worked it into their stories, society in general worked it into its psyche.

Would it still be extraordinary? After many years it would just be human nature. Eventually it would be forgotten that there was a time that it was quite unusual, aye, unbelievable that humans lived without the ability.

The most amazing human feats abound, often without participants realizing the wonder that just occurred. That we are even able to speak and communicate with one-another is amazing in itself. We have senses of sight, sound, taste... And the ability to reason.

All of these things that we take for granted would be considered no less than "supernatural" to our distant ancestors. Even the act of running to the water fountain is magic.

They can be explained as you just did. Abilities.

What some call supernatural or spiritual I just call perspective. And all of the above cannot seem to be without it.

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