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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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>>>>>The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.<<<<<

Too bad. It is not all that entertaining because you stated that there is no consciousness and no perception with the senses. Still there is the mind, so if there were no sensors to pick up signals, then still there would be the mind, and that would still dictate that there was life, but then it would be wholly a different perspective on life then...
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Hello!

It was that consciousness is more about relationships between things than being fully aware of something.

One cannot be fully aware of anything. Consciousness is more of an illusion of the senses.

There is only "mind" and "senses" when one considers the influence of physically-based thinking.

It is not as easy to illustrate this when we're attached to the meaning of the words, having no others available.

It's all about perspective. Within perspective you could say there is consciousness, mind, senses, etc. But it is not the same as what we're used to.

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Well, let us know when you want to leave after coming here. That will be soon probably?

I don't know, you think quantum physics is anything?

Perception is only in the eye of the beholder, and if you look around deeply enough, you will see all the selfish people here on this Planet. They continue to have that perception and wrongly so, for it is written if you have the Lord Jesus Christ that you can not perceive without having His help in the end. So far there is a lot of people who just want to use other people as a toy. Too bad the Lord God does not agree, while the others deny what it is that they are really doing. Well, if you came from a world line that is not full of weasels, then I am Mickey Mouse.
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Hello!

I should be here for some time yet, I hope. This is an interesting place to be. I'm not used to such 'entertainment' as I've found here.

Quantum physics is the finger pointing the way.

However, you're just as likely to find "the answers" playing video games as you would becoming a particle physicist.

Actually, I think you'd be more likely to find the answers playing video games. Allow me to explain.

There are only a handful of persons who would understand most of the precepts of quantum physics. A very small percentage of the population.

"The answers" in the universe apply to everyone, not just an infinitesimally small percentage of the population.

We look to scientists for these answers because they're doing things that we don't understand. It is no different than how (in the past) we look to the religious elite for the answers.

But the answers are not found in science or religion or any one particular aspect of the schools and politics that we have created.

The answers are universal and have more to do with consciousness and perception.

It is interesting to me to see how it is assumed that cultures "obsessed" with entertainment and celebrity must be devolving.

We are learning how to use our minds more abstractly through fantasy. It doesn't matter what the fantasy is. What matters is that we are creating relationships that did not previously exist in our cognitive framework. Our fantasies are becoming richer. These kinds of mental exercises will lead most of us into a world based on mind rather than physicality.

Thanks.
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Hadn't caught this before....."mental exercises will lead most of us into a world based on mind rather than physicality."


I sure miss Chaol! ;o(
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[snip]
Similar to focusing on where a "problem" student is doing well instead of on the problem itself, we can explore those things that we want to see more of.
[snip]

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To add!

This isn't "positive thinking" per se.

True "positive thinking" is coincidental, not intentional. Oftentimes what people think is "positive thinking" is actually resisting certain behaviors, thoughts, actions, conditions, etc, which is likely to create the conditions you are resisting.

When you want something to disappear make it irrelevant to your perspective. This is different from ignoring something.

When you want something to appear make it highly relevant to your perspective. This is the same as perceiving it.

Thanks.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Egg-cel-lent!

EN-F
EN(GAGE) F(IVE)


Edit: Poprocks???? Cute!

If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!

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Now this is the type of thread we like to read!
Thought-provoking & interesting indeed.
Hope many will look and take heed
To knowledge offered without a creed!
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Not many!

Knowledge offered without a religion attached, be that religion entity-based (Christianity, Atheism, etc), measurable explanation-based (science), people management-based (politics), money-based (business, capitalism), human resource-based (company employment), entertainment and media-based (sports, celebrity, news, nightclubs, etc), creative-based (art), written word-based (formal education), natural resource-based (environmentalism), biology-based (sex, fitness, health/medicine), image-based (shopping), chance-based (gambling), audio-based (music), sustenance-based (cooking, food), has not much meaning or value.

Each system develops a logic that is apparent to its proponents. The knowledge and perspective signals of the religion support its logic.

Though each is a meta-physical tool interpreted into one’s physical existence for the purpose of giving focus and meaning to our daily lives (to transcend and transform our everyday lives), the biggest religion of them all is physicality.

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Wow! The whole thang!!!!
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Greetings!

The following is of the greatest importance.

What is the purpose of existence?

All that we do is explore relationships with anything that exists. This is the nature of consciousness.

If we do not seek out relationships with something (anything) then we would not exist. In some way, we seek out a relationship with every representation in our perspective.

This "seeking out" is not so much creating consciousness as being conscious. If it relates to something else, then it is conscious.

In life, it is of no particular importance what kind of relationships we explore. We create relationships in order to exist. The relationship someone creates with their violin is the same someone else creates with their crack pipe. What matters is how relative something is to something else. (And it isn't always so obvious. For example, a violin may be more relative to the crack pipe than to a wooden chair.)

The value that results from one thing relating with another we may interpret as happiness, sadness, fire, pencils, cookies, faith, shazaam, etc. The relationships are of the same value, as they come about by the interaction of representations.

Because a representation is a proxy for something else, and that something else is a proxy for something else, and so on, the values are the same because they are all the same thing. We can only interact with the representation rather than the actual thing.

As these representations seem to exist, and do so in a way that is relative to us, the representations appear in a field of time/space. This time/space is the "logical narrative".

But we actually perceive every relationship simultaneously.

When you are sitting in your living room, the universe exists (literally) within the entirety of your perceptions. At that moment, nothing exists outside of your living room (or as much as you perceive) until you perceive it.

Nothing that can be written is of more import than what is being said in the previous paragraph.

As perception is irrelevant to "nothing" we separate the nothingness into a seemingly infinite variety of representations in order that "nothing" may be perceived from the representations. (This "nothing" neither exists nor does not exist. Existence is irrelevant to it.)

We represent "nothing" in order to exist. However, it cannot actually be represented. Thus, what seems like a universe of an infinite variety of possibilities and representations.

This trial at "perceiving nothing" is what may appear to some as the Big Bang and as most others as "here" or "now". At each moment the entire universe is created anew. (This is not an overstatement.)

Everything is represented in your current perspective. The planet Jupiter, for example, does not need to exist until you perceive it. As you can only perceive the representations you may perceive it as a photo, the name "Jupiter", the idea of Jupiter, etc. These representations are of the same value as the actual planet Jupiter (itself a representation). The way you perceive it depends entirely on the way you interact with the representation.

When you look at the moon or distant galaxies (or something or someone else) you are actually perceiving a value (a relationship) in your current perspective.

Experience and reality is just perceiving the value of your relationships. You are exploring your consciousness.

Thanks.
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But why most scientists would be against an other system of logic (such as a religion) is beyond my understanding. They are both useful and serve purposes, and are both part of systems of logic that only seem to provide the ultimate answers we're looking for.

Thanks.


So let me get this straight, according to your opinion you can't seem to understand why a scientist would be against another system of logic such as religion? Logic...how can anyone agree to one particular religion? Some might have similarities but it seems to me you don't know much about religion.

You use the word LOGIC and religion in the same sentence. Is it logical to you if this creator forms man from clay and we are the ancestors of this man 6,000 years ago? Or a talking snake? How about a man named Jesus who dies on a cross and raises from the dead three days later.

Is Satanism logical? How about Islam? How about Scientology.
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Greetings!

Logic can be defined as, "a particular method of reasoning or argumentation", "the formal principles of a branch of knowledge", "the formal, guiding principles of a discipline, school, or science", "a particular mode of reasoning viewed as valid or faulty".

It is, of course, the study of arguments.

There is not just one kind of argument, and not just one kind of logic.

Someone's reasoning may not be logical to you but it does not mean that it is not logical to them.

In 500 years I doubt if science would have the same logic and reasoning as it does today. And 500 years ago there was a different kind of scientific logic.

Unless, of course, we have discovered supreme logic and have all finished our arguments.

Thanks.
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'That inner Self, as the primeval Spirit,  Eternal, ever effulgent, full and infinite Bliss,  Single, indivisible, whole and living,  Shines in everyone as the witnessing awareness.  That self in its splendour, shining in the cavity of the heart  This self is neither born nor dies,  Neither grows nor decays,  Nor does it suffer any change.  When a pot is broken, the space within it is not,  And similarly, when the body dies the Self in it remains eternal.

Ramana Maharshi
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in order of increasing awareness and consciousness as I see it

emotions > thought > unconditional love

emotions cloud judgement and thinking, but unconditional love is a type of emotion. It is a feeling, it is the the doin away with lack of contentment where everything is divinely perfect in the now. It is where one realizes all is one and is the place of creation. Emotion is just the best english representation, however be careful not to confuse it with lower level emotion.

Instead be aware, do not supress any emotion even anger. Merely observe it's passing without judgement and with unconditional love.
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From "Thrice-Greatest Hermes", Vol. 1, Page 126

"After this our author proceeds to say: 'These things we found written in the Cosmogony of Taaut [Thoth]':

'...the beginning of all things...consist[ed] of a Dark Mist of a spiritual nature, or, as it were, a Breath of dark mist, and of a turbid Chaos, black as Erebus; that these were boundless, and for many an age remained without a bound.

But, when the Spirit fell in love with his own principles, and they were interblended, that interweaving was called Love*; and this Love* was the origin of the creation of all things.'

(*The original Greek term used is "Pothos" which meant a yearning, a longing - a love for all that lives and breathes.)
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'That inner Self, as the primeval Spirit,  Eternal, ever effulgent, full and infinite Bliss,  Single, indivisible, whole and living,  Shines in everyone as the witnessing awareness.  That self in its splendour, shining in the cavity of the heart  This self is neither born nor dies,  Neither grows nor decays,  Nor does it suffer any change.  When a pot is broken, the space within it is not,  And similarly, when the body dies the Self in it remains eternal.

Ramana Maharshi
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A Greek translation from scraps of a very ancient document concerning the original idea for Man:

"For Attis is emasculated - that is [Soul is separated] from the earthy parts of the creation [tending] downwards, and ascends in quest of the Ionian Essence Above where is 'neither male nor female,' but a new creature, a new man, who is male-female."

Early Christian Gnostics recorded parts of this ancient understanding in a question and answer format:

"For the Lord Himself being asked by someone when his Kingdom should come, said:

When the two shall be one, and the outside as the inside, and the male with the female neither male nor female."
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A footnote in the cosmology described in the the aforementioned book, "Thrice-Greatest Hermes":

Horus represents the Heart and Thoth represents the Tongue, also known as the Word.
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Have you seen the film, Mr Nobody? The story could have been written by us on this thread.

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If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!
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Yes, definitely! It happens all the time and what is key is non-resistance. Thing is, I can hardly remember the things I have now made non-relevant!
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Religions of the East, passed on through: Hindus, Chinese, Buddhists, Theophists, Anthroposophists and Yogis, is the same wisdom built into the glyphs, statues and temples of Egypt.

R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz
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If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!
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Yes, definitely! It happens all the time and what is key is non-resistance. Thing is, I can hardly remember the things I have now made non-relevant!
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Do you remember HOW you made them non-relevant?
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go to 1.05 - pigeon superstition, reminds me of how we use the genius in our everyday lives



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If anyone has had success in making something "not relevant", I would love to hear about it. I'm still thinking about this, myself.

As he says, ignoring it isn't the answer. I already know this, it doesn't work!
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Yes, definitely! It happens all the time and what is key is non-resistance. Thing is, I can hardly remember the things I have now made non-relevant!
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Do you remember HOW you made them non-relevant?
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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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"Meh" works really well for me.

How can anything bother you if it just doesn't bother you in the first place?
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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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"Meh" works really well for me.

How can anything bother you if it just doesn't bother you in the first place?
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I yike it!!!!
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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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"Meh" works really well for me.

How can anything bother you if it just doesn't bother you in the first place?
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I yike it!!!!
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Sorry. To add: you must look at it first. It is important to look at something closely before moving on to something else. The "meh" comes after interfacing with the initial relationship.
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Religions of the East, passed on through: Hindus, Chinese, Buddhists, Theophists, Anthroposophists and Yogis, is the same wisdom built into the glyphs, statues and temples of Egypt.

R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz
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I constantly run into this fellow in my research. He spent 15 years studying the Egyptian temples and interpreting the inscriptions and measurements found there.

It appears that he is a premier Western occult mathematician who, for one, re-introduced the notion of evaluating the I Ching in terms of binary numbers. This can also be applied to the neuronicons...and to DNA/RNA...and to vortex mathematics.

There is an entire universe of numbers sitting on our doorstep. As it turns out, numbers are not at all boring.

I think Lubicz may be the one who started the ball rolling. He is quoted and his conclusions analyzed, endlessly.
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A footnote in the cosmology described in the the aforementioned book, "Thrice-Greatest Hermes":

Horus represents the Heart and Thoth represents the Tongue, also known as the Word.
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This link?
[link to www.crystalinks.com]



or this one?

[link to books.google.com]

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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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"Meh" works really well for me.

How can anything bother you if it just doesn't bother you in the first place?
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I yike it!!!!
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Sorry. To add: you must look at it first. It is important to look at something closely before moving on to something else. The "meh" comes after interfacing with the initial relationship.
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I've been interfacing with it....looking for roots, etc: then using it as a prompt for a different thought. I'll try Meh now.

Any other suggestions...I'm all ears!
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Religions of the East, passed on through: Hindus, Chinese, Buddhists, Theophists, Anthroposophists and Yogis, is the same wisdom built into the glyphs, statues and temples of Egypt.

R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz
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I constantly run into this fellow in my research. He spent 15 years studying the Egyptian temples and interpreting the inscriptions and measurements found there.

It appears that he is a premier Western occult mathematician who, for one, re-introduced the notion of evaluating the I Ching in terms of binary numbers. This can also be applied to the neuronicons...and to DNA/RNA...and to vortex mathematics.

There is an entire universe of numbers sitting on our doorstep. As it turns out, numbers are not at all boring.

I think Lubicz may be the one who started the ball rolling. He is quoted and his conclusions analyzed, endlessly.
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For years, he was ignored but now, there is new interest in his work. I don't think what he said was understood.

I'd like to get into the numbers...but right now, it's not quite gelling for me. I can say this though.....I now have a profound understanding of their power...so that's a great start.

Reading, Embracing the Wide Sky, helped me. Numbers were/are a resistance. :
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Yes, using non-resistance when they came my way.
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"Meh" works really well for me.

How can anything bother you if it just doesn't bother you in the first place?
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Well, things just do, sometimes! People do, events do. (in my perspective, that goes without saying ;) )
And then, if I wish, I can slip into non-resistance.
But maybe I do want to continue to be bothered by some things.
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R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz online documents
[link to esotericonline.net]
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Sometimes we're just NOT BOTHERED!

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A footnote in the cosmology described in the the aforementioned book, "Thrice-Greatest Hermes":

Horus represents the Heart and Thoth represents the Tongue, also known as the Word.
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This link?
[link to www.crystalinks.com]

or this one?

[link to books.google.com]
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Here: [link to archive.org]

Volume 1, Page 132
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I'd like to get into the numbers...but right now, it's not quite gelling for me. I can say this though.....I now have a profound understanding of their power...so that's a great start.

Reading, Embracing the Wide Sky, helped me. Numbers were/are a resistance. :
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I have to walk away from it for awhile. My body actually shakes from explosions of realization. It is all so deep and so huge...

Major change of perspective!

Interesting book by Tammet. I put it on my reading list. I already have a stack of books to read that seems to be reproducing itself and growing overnight. I have to just add titles to a list instead of acquiring the actual book (or .pdf, whichever it may be).

Please explain "Numbers were/are a resistance." Thanks.
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But maybe I do want to continue to be bothered by some things.
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That is the 30% of my life (well, am whittling it down to, say 25%) that keeps me on the edge. Must not get too comfortable!
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Sometimes we're just NOT BOTHERED!
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Funny! Of course, when you're truly not bothered, you don't react. Shoulder shrugs are good for exhibiting this, IMHO.





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