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Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

 
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Have you seen the film, Mr Nobody? The story could have been written by us on this thread.
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Just thought I'd mention......this movie is funny and freaky watching it, this time around. Thanks for bringing it to our attention!
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Hi all!
Remember what Chaol said about a magnet in your hand?
I think this is similar.

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Hi all!
Remember what Chaol said about a magnet in your hand?
I think this is similar.

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That's cool...sign me up!
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Ah, okay. So in the case of looking at "what I really want" is it accurate that you are speaking in terms of the dissolution of lack, or, in the negative? As in, "what I really want" being "no bills" or "no walls"?

Let's say what I really want is a chocolate mint ice-cream cone. Should I look at this and make the choco mint ice-cream cone irrelevant? Or are you suggesting I look at the lack of the ice-cream cone (What I want being "not not having the ice-cream cone") and make that irrelevant?

Thanks for sticking through this, I realize how convoluted it is. Again, appreciate clarity!
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To add...

remember that a chocolate mint ice cream cone is an illusion. So when you, for example, 'wish' for it you are not really wishing for anything because there is no ice cream cone.

You have to wish around it. Meaning, you are bringing the perspective about that contains the ice cream cone relationships.

What does it mean to engage new ice cream cone perspectives? Well, think about what it means. Maybe someone else wants to have a bite.. who is it? You need napkins. What do they look like? It makes you thirsty. What's your drink? Darn, it fell on the carpet! What do you need to use to clean it up? It makes you feel happy and bloated afterwards. What is that like and when else have you felt that way?

The ice cream cone exists only in these relationships.

Perceive the relationships and the cone will begin to be experienced.


(The cone itself is irrelevant. However, the cone can become more relevant by perceiving its relationships. Don't think about the cone directly.)

Hope this helps :)
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One thing you may want to prepare for, psychologically, is the possibility of having people from an other world make themselves known on Earth.

I do not know if it is by craft, teleportation, car, bus, or train. But it should be before the year is out.

"How far do I go?"
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For the curious...

the recent events in the skies and below ground are the 'logical steps' before this kind of contact (as noted in the quote above).

We are redefining what is above our heads and below our feet as we expand our perspective, and this is a part of that. We are growing in all directions. Some of us are even getting plump and juicy! lol

There are tremendous seas of lava now shifting below your feet (as I've pointed out in the Farpoint Station thread) and tremendous seas of 'space lava' shifting above your head, too.

These are representations of course. As we progress we will redefine what they are.

The lava under your feet will be reinterpreted as something else, as will the symbols above your head.

The 'return of the gods', indeed. That is to say, re-membering your expanded perspective.
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Aha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hi, all. I was banned for awhile. I am surprised I can get back on this quickly.

While banned, I went in another direction. My soul is singing to me!

I am seeing really wild stuff, as if it is leaking through the regular scenery. When I close my eyes, I see beautiful things! Just beautiful!

Don't know if I am going crazy. Maybe. If so, it's a lot of fun. Kind of like a mild LSD trip.

I had a cool dream last night where I was hanging out with Michelle and Barack Obama, and their daughters. Had a great time! Lots of laughing!
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Hi, all. I was banned for awhile. I am surprised I can get back on this quickly.

While banned, I went in another direction. My soul is singing to me!

I am seeing really wild stuff, as if it is leaking through the regular scenery. When I close my eyes, I see beautiful things! Just beautiful!

Don't know if I am going crazy. Maybe. If so, it's a lot of fun. Kind of like a mild LSD trip.

I had a cool dream last night where I was hanging out with Michelle and Barack Obama, and their daughters. Had a great time! Lots of laughing!
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Welcome back! You were missed. hf


Your soul went in another direction? Funny you say this. I was reading in ACIM today and realized how it is about going beyond perception altogether!

Anyway, sounds like things are great and I'm happy for you.

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Hi Choal,

A sensory deprivation tank is a sound proof and completely dark tank. It is filled with salt and water heated to the temperature of your body. There is enough salt to float so that your ears are under water, greatly decreasing hearing. When introducing meditation to silence thought then there is nothing being perceived. If it worked perfectly what would the implications of this be?

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Hi. Thanks for your patience regarding this. (I've been thinking of a more advanced application that I can easily illustrate in English, per your last line.)

But for sensory deprivation, I would say that it is not possible to deprive the senses. As I mentioned before there is one 'sense' that is interpreted in various ways such as thought, dreams, and what is called five senses of taste, touch, hearing, etc.

If you 'deprive' one of these interpretations your total sense is not affected. That is to say, you are still perceiving at the same level. However, if you decrease your 'hearing sense' then you will increase an other interpretation.

(It is not that it increases. It is more that you pay more attention to the other interpretations.)

It is the same thing when you drift into sleepyland. If you decrease a certain kind of thinking ('alert thought', for example) you will probably become more aware of your dream sense (your dream interpretation of your reality).

However, you were dreaming all along. You just did not interpret your relationships that way so much. (i.e., you weren't really paying attention to it)

So if your sensory deprivation chamber worked perfectly then you would just become more aware of one of your other interpretations of reality. Perhaps you'd pay more attention to your dreams, for example.

Can a symbol change? Let's say I had a symbol that represented automated income, could it change into something like a symbol that represents a golden era of happiness for all? Does this mean that I logically view a golden era as the most relative and logical way to achieve some sort of automated income. Or maybe because my goals have changed and I have little use for money that it is allowing me to continue on my path.
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The symbol does not change. An interpretation of the symbol's relationship with other symbols changes.

Really, there is no symbol. None of these symbols (from which you perceive the relationships) actually exist. A symbol only has value in relation to other symbols. So we're not perceiving of the symbol itself but the relationships between them. (What I call the geometry of relationships.)

But for your example, the "golden era of happiness for all" symbol would be quite difficult to represent. You would be representing it from your current perspective. However, you may not be aware of how your other perspectives see it. Thus, it is not likely that you are interpreting your symbol as having changed into it. It is more likely that you are not paying attention to how it is working in your perspective.

Not that you did, but if you created a "golden era of happiness for all" symbol it may turn into the "parade of monkeys from hell" 10 logical steps down the road. In fact, I'm guessing it would because then your total perspective would respond to your passive declaration of, "I know what happiness means for everyone."

Really, there is no need to concern yourself with anyone else in the sense that you see a separation. (This is why, oftentimes, when we help someone else it evolves that our help makes them worse off. Because at the time, in these cases, we had not realized the separation between us and them is an illusion. The less you realize that you and an other person is the same thing the more conflict you would experience.)

So it may be that you view but you are seeing a 'golden era of happiness for all' and are missing how it logically applies to your intention.

Also, "logical right now" and "logical" are a bit different. This one is a bit tricky because we tend to think we know what would logically come next.

You'll notice that I normally append 'all things considered' when I mention 'the next logical step'. Because a more total perspective must be considered.

So something may happen to you that does not make sense. We can say that this is completely logical, all things (in your perspective) considered, but perhaps not logical for a few values in your perspective.

For example, George may wonder why he got hurt when he asked his best friend for help. "It doesn't make sense", he may exclaim. "I did everything I could. I tried to see how I could best help my friend and I asked nicely. But he just got upset and me and said I was treating him like a baby."

But George is forgetting that there are more values in the geometry of relationships than what is most on his mind at this moment. He is also not considering that both he and his friend are his interpretations.

When he desires to help his friend, does he realize that he wants to help himself? Does he believe his motives to be self-less. It may seem a noble thing, to help someone else, but it may actually work against him if he does not consider that his friend is him. All of what he knows and feels about his friend exist entirely within his own perception.

Also, of course, there may be a lot of things he is ignoring in his own perspective. Perhaps it was not easy to help his friend. He had to jump through hoops to position himself to help his friend. He was actually working against the natural course of things, which creates further conflict.

He then sees nature putting him back into place (putting himself again in the path of least resistance) as a kind of punishment or conflict in his reality.

He focuses on help but ignores the more valuable Relationship. Instead of interacting with him he communicates to himself about how he can best help him. He seeks to be the hero (further resisting himself as his friend) if only for a short time. Again, all the while ignoring the value of the relationships and also basic interaction.

So, again, something may be logical in a more expansive way but may not make sense to you if you are ignoring certain relationships. (Your relationship with more things.)

There is different kind of logic, of course. Each perspective is a logic.

If you have a symbol that represents 'automated income' you should probably further define that that is and what it means. (Automated how, and income of what?)

You may get exactly what you wanted but it may not make sense to you because you did not realize that there are different kinds of perspective. Perhaps you'd win a lifetime supply of peanuts or every Monday at 6pm your neighbor visits you (automated income).

Or perhaps it would become 'a golden era of happiness for all of what I am', depending on your interpretation.

So basically you would do well to define 'automated income' for more than your current perspective. Find out exactly what you mean. If you need multiple representations that's fine. At least you will have then focused your perspective on it.

If it appeared that your symbol changed into 'golden era of happiness for all' perhaps it is because that is how your your more expansive perspective interpreted it.

It's not about goals at all. It is only about relationships. So it is possible that your relationships with money [I'm not sure if this is how you defined 'income', though] had changed. As your relationships change so would your reality.

Would the golden era of happiness for all have to include some sort of automated income for it to become relative and the symbol to change. Or does automated income have to become irrelevant for it to become relative.

I guess I am just a little confused on how symbols transform.

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Something is relative through its relationships with you.

If you are a classical pirate searching for buried treasure, for example, you would begin by creating relationships with what you perceive to be the reality of the buried treasure.

You begin to 'perceive' the buried treasure is in a dark cavern with a waterfall with bats perched above it, for example, in a daydream. (The pirate begins to see it in his current perspective. You current perspective, of course, would include your thoughts, dreams, senses, etc.)

He can then develop a relationship with waterfalls and bats in order to bring the reality of the buried treasure nearer.

Think 'six degrees of separation'. You want to meet Kevin Bacon so you start by meeting the person that is closest to you in order to get there. Each logical step is a degree of separation.

You would not start out by finding buried treasure. That would probably not work. You need to uncover the logical path to it. You find it, in a way, through peripheral perspective.

Is there only one symbol needed initially, or should we always be trying to transform that symbol until the symbol is the representation? In the case of the table to spaceship, at first the symbol for the space ship is the table, but after the table drawer is opened and the science paper is found, does following the path of least resistance mean that the spaceship is now symbolized in the paper.

I believe this is where most people are stuck in ecsys. Perhaps you can elaborate on the path of least resistance and relativity.

Following a symbol I made a few months ago has led me to take a year off of Dental school. I am enjoying the ride but I would really like to take my understanding of ecsys to greater levels.
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When using symbols be sure to begin with a new symbol that has little value to your current perspective. (If you use a plain table then the table all ready has a value associated with it in your perspective, and would thus cloud your experience.) Usually this is accomplished by creating a new thing.

If you want to transform the table into something new in order to uncover the spaceship, that can work too. This is because you are re-interpreting what the table is. You are realizing the nature of perspective. That there is no time or space between the table and the spaceship, only your illusion of the separation.

At first the table is the table. Then you re-interpret what the table is, creating logical steps to your spaceship. You don't need to know what the 5th step will be or how it will make sense later. Your map need only include the next step, not the total steps.

(This is because if you are at 'Step 1' it is impossible for you to interpret 'Step 5' from the perspective of 'Step 4'. Your interpretation of Step 5 would then be from Step 1's perspective, and that would be useless because it would change by the time you got there.)

When you open the drawer you are already re-interpreting it as something else. You begin to see the table as the spaceship itself. You then de-anchor it from its tableness and see more of how it is connected with all things. Perhaps you'll just see that it's composed of wood and then observe the pieces of wood and think about how wood can be made into other things. Perhaps it is the shape. Perhaps if you bring it close to your nose and absorb the scent that it will smell like cookies and you will think about how the table is a giant cookie and there are cookies on your spaceship.

It's all about relationships and creating a logical path to an other perspective.

Any chance for some more advanced topics?
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Yes. It will be in my next post.

I hope the above has helped in some way. Thanks.
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There is lots of good information in this one post.
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Personally, I don't think I'm very patient. That's where Ecsys comes in.

The table you're sitting at has all of the properties of the newest spaceship. You just have to find them :)
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Chaol, thank you for another great post. Could you please elaborate in a way that is more relative to our(my) current understanding of what you've taught?

Just so that you do not have to repeat yourself, I do understand that we(I or perhaps more accurately "this"):

---experience that which takes the least amount of energy(or as stated previously, the least number of interactions) to perceive.

-and-

---can utilize the "genius" to call a particular flavor of experience into perspective by "naming" something "new" or seemingly "unrelative"(lol, which is funny because nothing is perceptible outside of relevancy) both in language and in physical terms (as physicality is the current (most logical) language of perspective), then allow that "representation" to interact with the representations that are already perceived (I understand that none of it "truly" exists, so any perspective is possible as none of it exists anyway). Once the desired outcome is relative, it will be experienced (yet it has been experienced all along).

I realize the steps one takes to "find" them are subjective, but it would be great if you gave some(more) advice on this.

Thanks a ton.
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The table does not become the spaceship by itself.

You discover the spaceship in it. Meaning, it 'morphs' into a spaceship in your mind. But not as the spaceship you know (hence, unseen) but the one you don't know (yet).

Realize that the spaceship and the table are the same thing. However, because its essence (nothing) cannot be contained in any one perception it appears to be separate when it is perceived.

(It may be more than two things in your perspective, but for this illustration let's say it is one.)

If your desire is to build a new spaceship then you can start with anything. Taking the nearest table, you would treat it as though it had properties of an advanced spaceship.

This, in a way, coaxes your perception into uncovering those properties for you. The values are all ready there but they did not previously have any reason to be perceived. Now you are giving them a reason.

This does not mean that your table will magically turn into a spaceship. However, it does mean that the spaceship will become more relative to your perspective. Because you are all ready perceiving 'parts' of it.

So the table is a stepping-stone to the new spaceship. It's distance to your perspective really depends on how relative it is to it.

A couple of examples of how this could play out:

1) Opening the table's drawer that you never really noticed was there leads you to a stack of papers that your father had. They are university transcripts. You see that his marks for science were quite high and suddenly you feel confident that science is what you should do. You soon enroll at a local university's physics program and the rest is history.

2) Turning the table upside down and riding on it for a couple of hours was fun, especially when the cat joined in. But somehow you got a wooden splinter on your rear and now you're driving to the nearest pharmacy, sans cat. While there you meet an old friend. Memories are briefly shared. He shows you a picture of something that he found in his garage on his mobile, and this makes you think of a new invention that will evolve into a spaceship in 20 years.

These are both logical narratives for your mind. It is relating one thing to an other thing in a way that makes sense to it.

The table 'becomes' the spaceship in this way. It may be 5 minutes or 5 years or, depending on how relative it is, may never be experienced. But it is all ready experienced now, in some way.

The question then is, "How many steps from here to there?"

How do you get there? You start with the first thought, and take the path of least resistance.

In both examples above you may claim that Chaol is nuts and Ecsys does not work. But it is how perspective works. It is not magic. It is logic.

This is what we do all of the time. It is how we go from what seems like one experience to the next. We can make something more relative to our experience by uncovering it in our current experience, then it becomes more logical for us to experience (and then we experience more of it).
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Been doing this with some of my Ec strings!
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Hi Chaol! :) Love that you're back and your recent posts.

Making the wall irrelevant makes sense, as does the concept of experiencing any thing via relationship to me (perspective). Any thing that is... re-incorporated (?) is therefore not experienced/seen because it is not "outside" of me to experience. (Hoping this is making sense. I really did have a few big a-ha pings today, I promise.)

I'm trying to understand how the below statement fits in with making unwanted things (walls, bills, whatever) irrelevant, as well as how it fits into the statement that one cannot truly perceive that which is irrelevant to one's perspective.

Are you using "irrelevant" differently in each case?

For bonus points, take a look at what you really want and ignore it (make it irrelevant).
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What's tripping me up is that it sounds like what you're saying is that for both wanted/desired experiences (what I really want) and un-wanted experiences/aspects/values, we are to make them all irrelevant?

- Make it relative and irrelevant, and then I will experience that (what I really want).

- Make it irrelevant, and I will not experience that (not experience the walls, therefore walk "through" them to keep that analogy).

Does not compute. I don't think this is actually what you're saying... ?

So, thanks so much for your help and clarity!

:)
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Good question.

In both cases, you are setting up an experience where the wall or the bill is not needed.

They become irrelevant to your perspective. In these new realities:

1) There is no need to go through the wall; and

2) The bill does not need to be there (or does not need to be paid, etc)

Let's say for #1 you are stuck in a room with no exit. Unless you find a way to somehow go through the wall you will die.

So you think back to this thread and, after a few frustrating hours, find out how to make the wall irrelevant to your experience.

[for sake of illustration and lack of better terms...] One moment you are sitting on the floor with your eyes closed. The next moment you are sitting in a park, outside of the wall. You will probably not have a memory of the transition, as it is no longer relevant. You may look over and see a wall that kind of makes you feel uncomfortable. You will remember that a few hours ago you were at home because this will be your new perspective. Even though the 'old perspective' still exists it is no longer relevant for you.

If there is someone else in the walled cell with you they may see you de-materialize as you walk through the wall. But your experience will most likely be very similar to the above.

Hope this clarifies it a bit.
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Ah, okay. So in the case of looking at "what I really want" is it accurate that you are speaking in terms of the dissolution of lack, or, in the negative? As in, "what I really want" being "no bills" or "no walls"?

Let's say what I really want is a chocolate mint ice-cream cone. Should I look at this and make the choco mint ice-cream cone irrelevant? Or are you suggesting I look at the lack of the ice-cream cone (What I want being "not not having the ice-cream cone") and make that irrelevant?

Thanks for sticking through this, I realize how convoluted it is. Again, appreciate clarity!
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Chaol's talking about how to make things you don't want in your perspective, irrelevant.
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So, did chaol say anything of him returning to this thread?
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So, did chaol say anything of him returning to this thread?
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He said he would be different when he came back. That's about all I know...also that he would be gone longer this time. :o(
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got some VERY useful resources in expanding consciousness for ya:

A new earth by Eckhart tolle...put off reading this for a while, but should have done it sooner.

(google new earth pdf, for a free copy)

Also found three amazing teachers on youtube, definitely check out a few of their videos if you have time!

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I think next I will read John Lilly's book: programming the human bio computer. I expect it to be mind blowingly amazing as I am realizing that EVERYTHING is belief: Myself, how I feel, the need to seek, lack of contentment NOW.

I'll keep you all updated, as it is getting hard to articulate realizations I will instead be posting the resources that help me grow the most.


Have fun my friends, don't forget to LOVE the journey... because it'll never end ;)

I am truly glad to have you all here on my journey with me.

I love you all,
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got some VERY useful resources in expanding consciousness for ya:

A new earth by Eckhart tolle...put off reading this for a while, but should have done it sooner.

(google new earth pdf, for a free copy)

Also found three amazing teachers on youtube, definitely check out a few of their videos if you have time!

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


I think next I will read John Lilly's book: programming the human bio computer. I expect it to be mind blowingly amazing as I am realizing that EVERYTHING is belief: Myself, how I feel, the need to seek, lack of contentment NOW.

I'll keep you all updated, as it is getting hard to articulate realizations I will instead be posting the resources that help me grow the most.


Have fun my friends, don't forget to LOVE the journey... because it'll never end ;)

I am truly glad to have you all here on my journey with me.

I love you all,
en lakech
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Love you too, Dodeccccccccccc! Thanks for checking in. hf


Seems all of a sudden several of us are branching out! Btw, do you regard belief as something different from perception?


I've checked out the vids....very nice, thanks. Look forward to a review on John Lilly's book too, if you choose to share it! Looked at my library to see if they have his book...they don't but they have one called: Programming the Universe:




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i dont get it what do you mean consciousness does not exist? if consciousness didnt exist in your world then how did you become conscious all of a sudden?? thats the only thing about it that sounds like bs to me.. but i am aware there are plenty of alternate universes for i have died and came into a differant alternate a few times within this incarnation but always came to the next nearest reality to the one i was in before so it was practically the same place only slightly varied.. explain to me how you have no consciousness?
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Hi.

This is because you cannot perceive anything directly.

You can only be aware of the relationships, like comparing one thing to another.

When you're perceiving the Sun, for example, you're actually perceiving yourself, not how the Sun actually is. (This isn't new age talk. It's scientific 'fact')

And so it's the same when you're perceiving anything else.

The awareness is an illusion. We can't really be aware of something.

It's a lot deeper than this, but that's the general idea.
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He, he!
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The most amazing thread on GLP ever!
Thanks!
Bumping:)
Questions I have are:

Can meditation be used to attract perceptions?
If so, what kind of meditation?
Zen Meditation, what are your thoughts on it?
The one that focuses on breathing?
What about the one that focuses on Love and kindness?
Can one use meditation to practice Ecsys?
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Hi.

In a way, you're always meditating. But to answer your question, yes it can be used to attract perceptions. It doesn't actually matter what kind of meditation. In a way, they're all the same.

I am not really familiar with Zen meditation in particular.

What matters is *you* and what you really believe, not the brand name of the process.

However, if your goal is health and peace of mind then focusing on breath and other meditation would help.

Love and kindness are subjective terms. Not sure how that could be done but I suppose if it works for you or someone...

Ecsys isn't really to meditation, so I'm not sure how this could be done.

Do drugs like salvia, mushrooms and acid break down this realities?
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I don't know much about drugs, but they seem to change the relationships in your perception.

Any food, drug, beverage, etc., changes the relationships.

The question is, by how much?

I wouldn't recommend any dramatic perceptual changes, however. A gradual change is probably better.

Tell me more about dreams?
If one can go into your world through dreams, can one go to the creators worlds too?
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What would you like to know about dreams?

What do you mean by "the creators worlds"?

Has anyone else undrestood Ecsys before you?
Is this your concept?
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Most of my world understands what I call Ecsys.

We call it "X", have different representations for the Gods, and some other details are missing but the idea is pretty much the same.

It would be like if you went to another world and imported a familiar concept from your world to it, using locally-available resources and presenting it in a way that could be more easily understood.

As we progress with Ecsys, the concepts will become easier to understand for most (and new, more difficult concepts will be presented).

What authors/writers/people you have come into contact with, have used ecsys and have come away with understanding?
Is there other people like you?
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There are many people in your world who have understood the general meaning of Ecsys, from ancient history to the present.

Although usually it's quite difficult (impossible?) to understand exactly what it means.

Sometimes Ecsys is called Planet X or Blue Star Kachina or the Great Shift or the Singularity or something else.

It's not that Ecsys is these things. But this world is merging with the dream world and the understandings in my world represent this change.

Are there other people from my world that are living in your world? Yes, quite a lot. Most probably don't know or care, just as you probably don't care about the dream worlds you inhabit. But of those that are aware, living in this world, and are actively doing something to prepare your world for the change there are only a few.

I understand everything your saying, my problem is putting it to practice.
Please, let us know when your book or whatever other resources you have will be finished.
Thank You Chaol!
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Gradual change is best. It is coming. Once the concepts become more familiar it will be easier.

The 'Book of Ecsys' will just be a duplicate of the website, in e-book and printed book form (limited release for the printed book).

Glad to help :)
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Didn't know this about Blue Star Kachina and Singularity!

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Perhaps the most important part of the newly-released material is this:

We perceive that which takes the least amount of energy to perceive.

This is probably the most important bit of information I've brought over to this world.

It means that there is nothing outside of your perspective until you perceive it.

(Everything in the universe is represented in what you are experiencing right now.)

Light has no wavelength, sound has no frequency, waters have no depth, the sun is smaller than the moon.. until you perceive it or perceive it otherwise. (Sounds crazy, I know.)

What does that mean for you? It means it's easy to change your reality.
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Interesting!
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Hi Chaol,

Will you give the meanings behind the 66 ec characters some of the words i am not familiar with?

unu, tatat, sumi ,nari, booba

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Hi.

The 66 characters are symbols.

For example, what is the meaning of "B"?

The meaning of the symbol depends on the context in which it is used. As illustrated, each has a meaning inherent to its position.

So for example the first character here: [link to ecsys.org] means "strong symbolic input, neutral symbolic output"

For any concept there is a corresponding definition (and thus word) in EC.

For example, "telephone conversation" would use the 42nd symbol as its first character (pronounced "ERE")

because the first part of the concept is as follows:

input: neutral interaction
output: weak possibility

basically, calling someone up is usually a neutral interaction resulting in a weak possibility.

going to see them in person would be strong interaction, for example.

I will clarify some of the characters and include the numbers that they represent. (As some of the symbols can also be used as numbers)

And i fail to see how thinking these characters will aid in changing our perspective, time travel, dimension travel or whatever we want to experience. when we think in symbols with the associated sound do we still think of the full word associated with that symbol, cat, book and so on but i may be jumping the gun as it is still early days.

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This is the most difficult part, I know.

But let's perform a thought experiment, in two parts.

For the first part of the thought experiment imagine that a human being from 50,000 years ago has suddenly appeared in this time, 2010.

It would be very difficult for them to understand what is going on because they would be unable to relate what they see with concepts that they already know.

(e.g., translate things from your language into theirs)

For example, if you gave them a lighter and said "fire" they would not understand what the device is until you turned it on.

Perhaps they will take this device back to their world and use it to scratch their back.

But if they can relate "fire" with their own concept then it makes sense.

For the second part, imagine that you are in the movie, "The Matrix". (I'm assuming you've seen it.) You are at the helm of the main computer and are able to program the Matrix.

Enter a few lines here and there and you 'materialize' a building or some clothes, for example.

So...

EC is a direct interface to your perception.

You can use it to re-program your perspective.

You can use it to link your idea of "chair" not with the use of it (part 1) but with the actual perception of it (part 2).

It is the language of perception. (Or, as close as our current mental abilities will allow.)

When the person in part 1 is able to link "fire" with the perception of it, then the alien technology becomes useful. Their understanding of the concept helps them to perceive it.

Your use of the interface (EC and neuronics) will help you to change your reality.

Also,

With the House of Thoht, does it matter how we symbolize our internal reality in the physical reality,
ie, draw pictures, write down notes ect....

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No, it doesn't matter. It's more important how you interact with the representations.

Each interaction further introduces the symbol into your reality and allows it to permeate further within it.

Thank you.

P.S - Love the new site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thanks. Much more to come. This is only the beginning.
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Nice review plus some of the symbols are used for numbers!
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ok i just got here and from what im seeing is that your from the future or what?
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A world more technologically advanced than this one, but still Earth. So in some ways it is future.

Just another version of Earth.

We are able to travel through time and space using mostly abstract technologies (some of which I explain on the website).

Some of the technologies we use will be used here, as well, in your future.

When you change the idea of what 'science' is then you, too, will see many advancements.

Science in this world is like an oppressive king. People put up with the oppression because of the supposed authority and that's where the food comes from. They forgot that they can actually grow the food themselves and the authority is only an illusion.

In your world science is based on observation and experimentation.

This is good for now, but in my world we realize the importance of perception in observation. This makes all the difference.

Also, in my world just about anyone is able to perform what you would call magic, using some of the tools that I describe.


Using current science you will get there but it will take you a while. For example, along your current path you will probably have a brain-to-computer interface that is compact and mobile. (Emotiv and other companies are working on such devices now.) You will be able to think something and other devices will read and carry out your instructions.

However, you are not on this path.

The world, as you know it, will exist only as a memory.
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WHOOOHOOOO!
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Wow, I'm still trying to figure out what happened. When I made my last post, I had just received a contract for a job offer that fit ALL of my Genius Models perfectly...in every aspect. It was the craziest thing--it fit them perfectly! Salary, benefits, training, expenses, travel, tuition reimbursements, EVERYTHING I had made a model for was in there exactly as I had modeled it. Even the interviews and applications leading up to the offer were matched perfectly.

And now, nothing. I would say I've been inexplicably, extraordinarily, elaborately scammed....but this makes zero sense, given the details leading up to the alleged "scam offer contract" not to mention the contract itself. The only end-game for this scam would be stealing my identity...which they could accomplish easily with the information I provided during the initial application...why go through all the other steps and trouble of writing up a bogus contract?? Very, Very, Very: Odd.

This result is just as, if not moreso incredible as the 'coincidences' uncovered during the whole process, as it matched my Genius so perfectly.

Moreover, I cannot begin to imagine why my subconscious (Genius) would have played things out like this. I mean, what a sadistic joker my innerworkings must be!!! Seriously though, I want to know where I went wrong for my Genius to have gone so horribly 'right'...only to be 'not right'.

Anyway, I'll keep posting my [insanity] updates for posterity.

And Chaol, if you're out there (or perhaps behind this!!), I could use a bone. Whad'ya say bud, pretty please???

Jobby jobby jobby!
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Wow, I'm still trying to figure out what happened. When I made my last post, I had just received a contract for a job offer that fit ALL of my Genius Models perfectly...in every aspect. It was the craziest thing--it fit them perfectly! Salary, benefits, training, expenses, travel, tuition reimbursements, EVERYTHING I had made a model for was in there exactly as I had modeled it. Even the interviews and applications leading up to the offer were matched perfectly.

And now, nothing. I would say I've been inexplicably, extraordinarily, elaborately scammed....but this makes zero sense, given the details leading up to the alleged "scam offer contract" not to mention the contract itself. The only end-game for this scam would be stealing my identity...which they could accomplish easily with the information I provided during the initial application...why go through all the other steps and trouble of writing up a bogus contract?? Very, Very, Very: Odd.

This result is just as, if not moreso incredible as the 'coincidences' uncovered during the whole process, as it matched my Genius so perfectly.

Moreover, I cannot begin to imagine why my subconscious (Genius) would have played things out like this. I mean, what a sadistic joker my innerworkings must be!!! Seriously though, I want to know where I went wrong for my Genius to have gone so horribly 'right'...only to be 'not right'.

Anyway, I'll keep posting my [insanity] updates for posterity.

And Chaol, if you're out there (or perhaps behind this!!), I could use a bone. Whad'ya say bud, pretty please???

Jobby jobby jobby!
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Wow! What exactly happened to make you think it's a bogus offer?

I know how you feel though. I can't figure out why my subconscious got me here just in time for Chaol to leave!!!! And the website to go down, etc:.

I remember earlier posts of people not having the results they thought they would have with a Genius. We just don't know what we are doing yet.

I'd say you have most of the elements figured out though. You've done well. I'm sure sorry this happened, though. To have it all right there and then...boom!

Btw, I'd love to hear of some of the "coincidences" if you feel like talking about it. Although this didn't turn out right, you have experienced a lot.


I'm thinking we should write a group Genius and get Chaol back here!!!!!! (Dang it!) I told him I was going to do a mental symbol to get him back and his response....."You have no idea." I take that to mean we have more power than we realize, heh!

Anyway, thanks so much for the update. I've sure been wondering about you and just thought you were so busy with your new job, you didn't have time for us yet!

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law of least energy

maybe it is just the most relative way for all your goals to be represented so far, but will change if your resolve doesn't falter.

The universe gives what your highest self wants at every moment, you are always getting exactly what you want.

;)
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law of least energy

maybe it is just the most relative way for all your goals to be represented so far, but will change if your resolve doesn't falter.

The universe gives what your highest self wants at every moment, you are always getting exactly what you want.

;)
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Want infers a lack of...
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law of least energy

maybe it is just the most relative way for all your goals to be represented so far, but will change if your resolve doesn't falter.

The universe gives what your highest self wants at every moment, you are always getting exactly what you want.

;)
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Want infers a lack of...
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True, in a sense any desire implies a separation, a lack of contentment, a need to search. However I think you can be without lack and still have a preference for what you perceive in your experience.

For me: learning, growth, adventure, joy, love,

But maybe there is just no one really there to want anything.
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But maybe there is just no one really there to want anything.
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Words of wisdom!

In deep contemplation, I reached a place where I consciously realized that "I" am everything and that when one is everything, there is no self. In that mode of comprehension, the "I" is irrelevant.
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I still don't understand how there is no one here, yet we are learning how to use a Genius for perceptions of our choice.

I don't understand how each of us would say, "Yes, I am alive, I am conscious"......and yet we know it's all programmable.

I've seen All That Is as a puzzle I put together with Ec strings. In this experience, I understood these puzzle pieces are what I call gods.

I don't understand how I know I am creating past and future right now....yet a bridge is closing and won't be available for another 30 years!

I don't understand how I keep perceiving a "spiritual" leader who keeps disappearing.

I don't understand why I'm told things and have experienced things....that indicate a future experience, that doesn't happen....yet sometimes, they do happen!

I don't understand why I've had many different, amazing, confirming coincidences over the years......but now they aren't making sense in context with my life now.

I understand I receive a data stream and interpret it and that's about it.
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I still don't understand how there is no one here, yet we are learning how to use a Genius for perceptions of our choice.

I don't understand how each of us would say, "Yes, I am alive, I am conscious"......and yet we know it's all programmable.
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Everything is as alive as are you. A cell phone is also conscious and can learn to program itself. The floor is alive and can learn to perceive itself differently.

I've seen All That Is as a puzzle I put together with Ec strings. In this experience, I understood these puzzle pieces are what I call gods.
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I like this. It is an interesting insight, particularly when one considers that the "gods" are an abbreviation for a process. Instead of describing the intricate details of a torus or a door that can take you to another world, one can just say "Sekhmet". Instead of getting all involved with the metaphysical meaning of "destroyer", one can just speak the word "Kali", and everybody will understand what you're talking about.

I don't understand how I know I am creating past and future right now....yet a bridge is closing and won't be available for another 30 years!
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But, 30 years only seems like it is far away...as if it is "way over there". You can travel there in an instant. It is already present in your environment. Just find a representation for "30 years away" and bring it into your current perception.

Past and future are all here, right now. Wherever you are located, is where all time is at.

I don't understand how I keep perceiving a "spiritual" leader who keeps disappearing.
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Are you talking about Chaol? He is all over the place! To say that he has "disappeared" only means that you're not "seeing" him! He's everywhere!

Ask a question and watch how it gets answered. Do you really think that Chaol is, like, "out there" somewhere?

He even logs onto this website from time to time, just to let you know IRL that he is still around. He doesn't have to do that, you know. He does it for us.

I don't understand why I'm told things and have experienced things....that indicate a future experience, that doesn't happen....yet sometimes, they do happen!

I don't understand why I've had many different, amazing, confirming coincidences over the years......but now they aren't making sense in context with my life now.
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You're not stagnant. Relationships are constantly changing. It is a kaleidiscope.

Release expectations. Declare what you want and then hold onto the rail so that you don't fall off the roller coaster. Enjoy the ride!

Or else, declare what you want and see that it is already there.

I understand I receive a data stream and interpret it and that's about it.
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Yep! Information processing! Do you know yourself yet? lolololol!!!!!

(I laugh, because you are everything and you are Nothing at the same time. You can never perceive yourself directly!)
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Has this been found / mentioned before?

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