Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

I'm having fun relating to my devices - laptop, a dvd and my mobile, so far!

Things starting working that weren't. Things that 'shouldn't' work do. Making friends, not slaves, or enemies.

I do believe all is alive.....but what is it that's alive? The symbols? And who does the programming? And if I can program everyone out of or into my life, how are "others" real?


Chaol hasn't logged in here for 29 days and I don't think he does it for us....I think he checks the conditions before he leaves.

Chaol is the one that said once the bridge closes, it will be 30 years before it opens. But I like what you said,

"But, 30 years only seems like it is far away...as if it is "way over there". You can travel there in an instant. It is already present in your environment. Just find a representation for "30 years away" and bring it into your current perception.

Past and future are all here, right now. Wherever you are located, is where all time is at."



And no, I don't know myself yet, LOL! Thanks AC6853315

One other thing I don't understand....why is my internet life and dreaming life SO MUCH BETTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Wow! I haven't seen it before. It looks like an older website and just from scanning it quickly, it looks like some new information to me.

I did read in a post recently where Chaol said he would be introducing deeper concepts as he went forward...and I think that post was dated around 2009.

I brought home a new smartphone and the sounds on my computer changed......and immediately started sounding the same as the smartphone! I guess my computer loves my smartphone, LOL!

From the link:

"We propose that humans are born with a "percpetion instinct." It is this instinct that enables our minds us to filter out more than 99% of the information reaching us. We do this automatically, without conscious thought of how we do it. Using Ecsys is like doing a quick calculation, bringing into conscious awareness what we do instinctively. Imagine being able to perceive and understand a little more of what your mind filters out."


I have caught myself editing what I see!


Also,

"The basic premise of Ecsys is that everything that exists (every thing, place, process, idea, etc.) is one of four elements. They are:

Measurement & Structure
Potential Energy
Interaction & Association
Representation

In the basic Ecsys model each of the 4 elements has a name and symbol, as well as a primary numerical value.

Measurement and Structure
definitions, rules, guidelines, hierarchy, structure, reasoning, framework, linear order, particles.

This particular element also represents unstructuring. (As the act of providing a framework to some gives freedom to others.) Measuring by itself thus actually creates two forces that, together, can counteract other forces.

Potential Energy
trust, emotions, fuel or energy, capital, incentives, or anything used for its capacity or space

Interaction and Association
conversation, sitting, playing, being in a relationship, competing, walking, chaos, waves, gravity, consciousness

Representation
names, symbols, dates, photos, models, souvenirs and keepsakes, portfolio assets, people, matter, perception



So....I'm one of 4 elements????????

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XWon.....I found something for you (from the old website...thanks OTR):



[link to web.archive.org]



"Should You Get Stuck

There are methods we can use to evolve a model or parts of a model. This is most useful if we are 'stuck' trying to think of what to do next. Following is such a method. It is not necessary to follow the same path as laid out below. You can "jump in" anywhere you are having difficulty.





If you have 1 element only, use #...
As Used in Example: X
Ion to evolve the structure and measurement...
2 — Axon to change Ion

rules and guidelines evolved via Internet
3 — Chaon to repel Ion

hold weekly web conference regarding X
5 — Elementon to solidify Ion

create a web app based on rules and guidelines, and for metrics
Axon to evolve the potential energy...
3 — Chaon to express Axon

allow others to interact via web app
5 — Elementon to increase Axon

create dynamic avatars in web app for users which represent X
1 — Ion to focus Axon

create new rules for web app and users using app.
Chaon to evolve the interactions and associations...
5 — Elementon to capture Chaon

evolve representations to include personal media such as videos and photos
1 — Ion to attract Chaon

create rules and structure to limit network interaction in X community
2 — Axon to expand Chaon

Network effects could expand to any IP-enabled device such as mobile phone
Elementon to evolve the representation...
1 — Ion to clarify Elementon

develop rules and guidelines for X. How can it be measured?
2 — Axon to enable Elementon

provide PE to rules and guidelines. Put them on the Internet.
3 — Chaon to grow Elementon

allow others to add and respond to rules

Look what I just found......

Here's the home page:
[link to ecsys.tumblr.com]

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OK...this is helpful................

[link to web.archive.org]



Working with the model a bit further and applying context we can discover many things about a unified field:

Matter is always more attracted to less structured elements (less massive, less particulate) than itself and repelled by more structured elements than itself. Matter of similar structure (similar mass and particulate) eventually group together.

Matter is gravity that has been structured (with particulate).

Gravity's "force" is lessened upon interaction with particles, creating repulsion. Particles more structured than gravity, such as light, it will repel. (Although light is attracted to gravity at the same time.)

When there are more particles in an energy field there is gravitational repulsion. When there are less particles in an energy field there is gravitational attraction. (1+2=3)

"Black Holes" are fields of unstructured potential energy.

When different forces are applied to gravity, we get less interactive expressions such as light waves and sound waves.

When sound is less structured it becomes light. (Particles of energy provide structure)

There are no gravitons. There are, instead, associations of gravity.

Gravity is not a property of matter and space. Matter is, instead, a property of gravity.

Gravity is not constant. The nature of gravitational interaction (i.e., "constant of proportionality") is a constant, however.

The unifying force of all that exists is consciousness. We can only observe what is in our perception. The "unified field" is a field of consciousness.

In its natural state, matter "moves faster" than the observed speed of light (though light is a kind of matter). However, in observation, the speed of light as will appear to be the speed limit.

Everything observed (including photons) is matter.



Mass

Working with a basic model we can discover things about the nature of mass:

Mass is a function of particles rather than a property of either matter or particulate. It is not an element in the 'unified field' model.

Gravity affects matter's mass depending on how it interacts with the particulates.

The amount of matter associated with an object depends upon the gravitational interaction with that object and every other object/space. Its mass increases proportionally according to how unstructured the gravitational interaction is for an object of constant particulate. However, a constant gravitational interaction will decrease mass if it 'combines' with an object of decreasing particulate.

Gravity is everywhere at once. Gravity facilitates particulate, which causes gravitational interaction of particulate and results in matter. Gravity interacting with more particulate results in matter having more mass.

Matter with less mass causes gravitational attraction. matter with more mass causes gravitational repulsion. (This repulsion is more of a lack of gravitational attraction due to matter becoming more structured with particulate. However, a thing can be both attracted to and repelled by something at the same time; due to the dynamism of the universe attraction and repulsion are not in opposition when the gravitational aggregate is considered.)

Constructions of matter will repel other constructions that have more mass, and attract those with less mass. With constructions of approximately similar mass the two constructions will group more together.

Mass is relative and depends on time/space differential. (For example, if there were only two stars in the universe, on opposite ends, they would initially be quite attracted to one-another the closer they became (i.e., the more interactive) the more their mass would repel one-another.)



Time, Space, and Infinity

Working with a model we can discover some things about time and space:

We travel through space by providing more energy than our interactions require (i.e., when we unstructure more potential energy than our interactions require, we perceive the difference as spatial movement). We are attracted to less structured interactions and repelled by more structured interactions.

We travel through time by providing more energy than our interactions require (i.e., when we unstructure more potential energy than our interactions require, we perceive the difference as going forward through time).

This formula can be simplified as: 2+3=5

If we provide less energy than our interactions require, we are more motionless in space (structuring potential energy more than we are not).

If we provide less energy than our interactions require, we go backwards through time (structuring potential energy more than we are not).

This formula can be simplified as: 3-2=1

Now / here cannot be perceived nor experienced. It is an unstructured representation and, for all intents and purposes, does not exist. Because it is unstructured it cannot be perceived. Every perception we have can either be past or future. However, because 'past' is more structured than is 'future' we perceive past much more readily.

When we structure potential energy more, as related to time, it becomes 'past' more. (i.e., providing structure to 'future' makes it more 'past')

When we unstructure potential energy more, as related to time, it becomes 'future' more. (e.g., interacting and associating with 'past' representations expands the potential energy of those representations)

The absolute past and absolute future are the same.

The past is not completely structured and the future is not completely unstructured.

When the totality of something cannot be grasped, it appears infinite.

A clock does not measure time but the speed and movement of its components. We cannot properly ascribe a real physical counterpart to something that is only a mathematical variable.

The key to understanding how the universe works is by understanding the variable of time whose nature is completely and wholly within our perception.

Space is not a substance. It does not curve because space is not physical.

[For commentary and more, please refer to the time section on the consciousness page.]



Particles and Waves

Some conjectures related to particle and wave phenomena present themselves in a basic Ecsys model:

Matter is composed of both particles and waves in the same way that our perception of "now" (i.e., not "absolute now") is composed of both structure and unstructure. The fluctuating difference of the particle/wave phenomena is perceived as matter, exactly as the fluctuating difference between the past/future phenomena is perceived as "now".

A wave minus potential energy is a particle (3-2=1)

A particle plus potential energy is a wave (1+2=3)

Matter is the "result" of structuring and unstructuring potential energy, resulting in a continuous stream of structured, interactive representations.

Light is not spread uniformly throughout the universe. It will interact more with objects/matter that have more mass and interact less with objects/matter or less density. (e.g., celestial objects with less mass will not attract as many unstructured particles such as light as more massive objects do.)"




When I experience now.....when I stop thinking of past or future.....what am I experiencing? I know I've tried and tried to experience nothing.......but there is always something!!!!!!

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[link to youtu.be]

Chaol "left" on January 15, 2013. He logged back on a month later on February 11, 2013. This website can be read without logging on. He can "check conditions" by simply typing in the url. He logs on to let us know that he is around. He doesn't have to do this if he doesn't want to.

This is what is happening. It is all ourselves. Even Chaol. "There is nothing outside of your perspective".

This is what I have noticed: all of the voices of teachers and advisers, and all of the information from books, videos, forums, journals and wherever one gets information from, all of it is really one Voice. It all issues forth from the same source. There really is not a myriad of individuals with a gabillion different ideas. There is only one source, that is interpreted in a gabillion different ways.

Really good response to U3's questions, btw. Your philosophy is much appreciated.

This is a really good point. Seth said something along the lines of "no energy projected can be recalled". Meaning, that once the energy is put out there, it grows and there's no stopping it. Even if someone modifies the initial intent so that they don't experience the full force of the energy, that intent will be experienced somewhere in the universe.

...and if it happens anywhere in the universe, you're still going to get a taste of it, eventually.

Wow, this is a great example of the duality idea. In one quote the glass is half empty, in the other, half full. One reflects self confidence, the other self-doubt. Each sentiment helps to clarify the other. You guys are a good complement to each other.

Ahhhh! I so enjoyed reading this. TY.

I'm thinking about the first paragraph....I understand I use a Genius in many ways....but it's not conscious. This is what I am trying to learn at this point. But, the question is....if I don't exist (or I'm illusion), who is it that's learning the Genius?



Yes, I fight being my own spiritual leader..... and also letting go of expectations based on my "manifestation pipeline!" (kewl analogy there, thank you) This paragraph explains much to me, Mr/z philosophical!


Bottom line: I want someone else in charge!

Not to split hairs, but Chaol didn't go a month before logging back in. He logged in and out for quite a while after telling us good bye. Sometimes he went several days without logging in and sometimes it was 10 days between times.

He said he was leaving and he did....in that he didn't post. But he kept an eye on us for quite some time. Sorry I didn't keep records...had no idea I'd even end up discussing it, LOL!

I don't agree he does this for us though (if meaning he does it to comfort us or something like that)...but that's ok. It doesn't matter and if he wishes to address this at some time, he will.

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Funny. I don't see the 1/2 empty/full here....but the conclusion of self-doubt.....is right on!

Thank you so much for this. I can't believe we haven't seen this before, well I haven't. I've been missing Chaol so much lately and I appreciate that I have him in this form. Did anyone know Chaol actually had a Tumblr account? He's been out there all along....

Love this, thanks.

This goes right along with the books I posted a link to a few days ago.....Right Use of Will. She tells in the series what happens to some of the projected energy!

I like how the original poster fit it in with the "manifestation pipeline." Very helpful!!!

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OK...this is helpful................

[link to web.archive.org]

Very helpful indeed. Thanks

Me too! Even though I know he's a puzzle that I put the pieces together....I still miss him, LOL!

When I read he dropped out of high school, I once again had to laugh. The parallels with my husband are too much.


My husband dropped out, hates this world so much, he has found another place he'd rather be....same as Chaol but who would rather be here.

They are the same age, neither of them do well at ordering at restaurants, both are magical... although Chaol is definitely 2.0 and there is other stuff. All I can say is I know I've put the puzzle pieces together but not consciously.

What really tickles me is both of them are a bit "square" and they are on opposites sides of duality as far as "God" goes, LOL!

As Marshwiggle has told us...it's all so comical!

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I understand why you would feel this way. We are raised from birth to defer to authority, beginning with parents to teachers to the 'law'. Schools train us to look to others for answers. But to break free of this, to develop a sense of faith in yourself, a knowing that you are all that you need as guidance, just take small steps to begin. Bear with me. First you need to get yourself a student. Proclaim yourself a spiritual leader and make yourself a student. Remember that movie with Tom Hanks stranded on an island with a ball on which he drew a face? Just make something like that for yourself and talk to it. Spiritual leader to student. When you are contemplating ideas, get your student out and try to teach the idea to him. Any questions that pop into your mind, treat them as if the student asked them. This, in a sense, is practicing to be a leader. It helps to hash ideas out, clarify them, speak them out loud and solidify them. When your idea is expressed to another, especially as teacher to student, it gives it more strength, allows you to explore it more. Think of Chaol as a resource, like a book in a library, or a colleague you may consult from time to time. Sometimes you may agree, sometimes not. But as you explore and develop your own ideas/perspective, you bring your own unique contribution to the universe. Your perspective is unique, never aligning completely with any other perspective but just as valid.

If you would feel funny talking to a ball or some other inanimate object, I will be your student. Just give me a lesson. Your perspective is just as alien to me as Chaol's is, so you might as well be Chaol, same difference.

Ok looks like someone created a tumblr account from the contents of this thread and original ecsys website. Might not actually be Chaol himself. Still helpful though.

I don't think this has been mentioned before but is an important point.

You have to remember that everything is EVERYTHING... that's alot.... or nothing ;)

We think in terms of concepts generated by language so naturally we will never be able to think in a complete enough way to understand anything.

Thus let go of belief, many deeper "truths" exist in paradox form.

Sure there may really be nothing that exists, but also everything exists.

YOU may really be nothing, but you are also everything. Both the leader and the follower. Thinking in any one concept is a trap of the ego, because it cannot actually be true from another perspective.

There is no truth, there are ideas that seem to point at this truth, but nothing that could ever contain its totality.

Remember from the perspective of "I am unworthy" you will ALWAYS be unworthy. You cannot win, you can only surrender. Even if you get what you want that defies that belief. You are unworthy unless you climb a mountain and then you finally climb it and scream from the mountain tops. You are still unworthy or else you wouldn't be celebrating. There is no escaping, only surrender. Admit defeat and be free.

When stop playing the game, stop thinking from the mind and starting thinking with the heart and feeling with the mind. Start using EC to define new sensations, new feelings, new experiences and then let them become stronger in your perspective. We could do more for our happiness by simply thinking how happiness feels and defining it more than anything accomplished by thinking.

Start living, start exploring what it is like to be and live and experience more and more.

Astute^^^^^^^^^^^!



Well, how sweet. I don't want to be a spiritual teacher...I'm more like Choal....just an average person, living a life.

Anyway....be someone else...so I'll give it a shot, thanks.

Okaaaaaay, um.......okay, I get hung up on how everything is alive and is everything...and also nothing. So, here's my reply to that........


All is alive and has the potentiality to be anything. It becomes some thing when I/you group it into a relationship with another thing.......to form a perception.

You then see the perception in a certain way.....you can see it in another way according to your choices of putting puzzle pieces together.

It is all alive....no matter what geometry you choose to perceive because it's all made up of the same nothing/everything.

Beauty-full Dodeccccc!

And I'll make up a word for giggly happy for no reason......right now...!!!!!!!!

Ex-V

P+I LI

Funny, today's lesson in ACIM.....meditate on:

"Beyond this world there is a world I want." (Oh yes)
"It is impossible to see two worlds." (Oh really!well, it's one world!)

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Hi my friends!
Sorry I don't participate more, but I've been very busy creating the new, and last,pope.
But I discover recently this blog and I wanted to share it [link to perceptionmap.blogspot.de]

Have you ever saw this?

As a matter of fact, yes, I have seen this blog before. It cracks me up because I drag links in here all the time, never expecting to see someone posting mine here.


You'll find a new post just for you, miqq. And thanks for the pope, heh! Is he the last one? (according to Cayce and Malachy prophecies, this is supposed to be the last pope)