Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.

How would you define the dream world?

Yes, I've heard of them. I got the idea Chaol was speaking of something else, though. I've never heard him use the term.

I would define it as spooky but fun

Not-Chaol

Without using the words spooky or fun (or synonyms ;) ) how would you define the dream world

Here and now

Not-Chaol

How is here and now spooky?

Thanks, :)

One cannot live in the here and now. Such a fallacy. You want to know what that looks like? Go to a nursing home and seek out the dementia patients. Hang out with them for awhile, you'll throw your Eckhart Tolle books in the trash and throw a lit match and some gasoline in for good measure.

Not much different than the waking world.

I have not dreamed much at all for years. On rare occasion that I dream, my dreams are fairly mundane. In the meantime, the waking experience gets more and more bizarre - what you might call dreaming.

But there's a strange quality to it all. I frequently cannot shake this feeling I'm in a coma, and people are at my bedside whispering wake up ! Wake up! And meanwhile my brain -- without any further stimulation since I went into the coma --- keeps replaying old memories, refashioning as much as it can to make it seem like new.

Maybe I'm not where Chaol is at just yet. But, I kind of suspect I may be.. in which case it's all a booby prize. And the realization is that everything going on in this thread is our way of wanting to pretend we have control.

The reality? I suspect when fully awake, the reality is we realize there IS NO CONTROL.

Control is an illusion. It is the ultimate illusion.

I'm sure I've typed these words before, and my archetypes told this same story in many ways over the eons.

I am in astro transit "popping soap bubbles." Don't blame me. Blame my stars.

Vanilla Sky?


Trust me V2, I can relate. The "control" is not what we'd expect. It's not control in the way one would "control" a car on the road, more like the way one would "control" a raft with a hap-hazard sail in a turbulent sea. The (seeming) inability to obtain control is as a result of our inability (fear) to accept it. Those moments of clarity, the fleeting periods of control are nearly always followed by the worry we'll "muck it up" and we do. We forget our ability (purposefully) because we can't bare to be responsible for what is occurring. (I call it "back-pedaling" and have been doing a lot of it lately.)



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Right. So that is like someone dear in your life committing suicide, and alleviating your grief and guilt by telling yourself "oh, well I guess he was becoming irrelevant to my perspective."

Really?

The only control you have is acceptance -- acceptance that shit happens and a lot of it is completely senseless and meaningless and not relative to you. It just happens. Because the reality is life just doesn't give a flying .. care.

We didn't muck anything up. Shit happens.

U don't find it how things act at what seems like a great distance?

Since we seem to both be infected with a somber flavor at the moment, let's explore the morbidity of it all:

It could also be (realistically noted) that if someone dear to me commits suicide, then I didn't do what was necessary to keep them. I didn't cherish their presence enough to prevent it. People do become irrelevant, either because of lack of interaction or a change in logic. We get caught up in things that "seem" important and neglect the things we like to tell ourselves we care about.

If it helps with the guilt, I can tell myself I can only accept it and forget I'm responsible (for inaction or negligence on something I "could" have fixed before it became irrelevant).

Since we each individually assign the meaning to all of our experience, we can name it senseless... sure. But is it really all that useful?

Because the reality is life just doesn't give a flying .. care.


Somethings are beyond our logic, but when I look at nature I see that everything is working in perfect harmony in order to evolve further. Reality cares at least about expansion, and all things perfectly perpetuate that. Even if all humans die, it helped somewhere in the universe for something that needed that event in a butterfly effect fashion.

Not like anyone's gonna be not perceiving anytime soon.

Could you give an example?

Everything seems to relate to every other thing perfectly in time and space. Is that not spooky that nothing seems,to ever gets omitted, erred, etc.?

That sort of thinking just makes you feel better. I don't mean to be mean here, I am just pointing you to reality. Reality is chaos. Devolution is just as likely as evolution. Disharmony just as likely as harmony. There's no purpose. Except to exist, because it has no choice, really.

I used to think like you too - now I see that's just another feel-good method. It's not what's real.

Reality has it's positives though.

I'd like to hear Chaol's answers.

True,

it just boils down the question: To be or not to be

whether or not we value existence, if we do that should be enough.

But chaos is just an order we don't yet understand. It could equally be said reality is order. ;)

And also, it doesn't matter what's real, it matters what makes life worth living no matter what.

And for extra emphasis:

I know normal languages don't apply during the application of Ec, but does anyone think the acquisition of a secondary language (French, German, whatever) to fluency, to where you're thinking in the form of concepts directly to that other language, helps with learning and using Ec? In that your brain is getting accustomed to thinking in something that's not a language you've used your whole life. Would this increase your ease of use and understanding of Ec?

Thanks.

No. I speak 4 languages and it has not seemed to help at all.

Chaol says if we learn how the Genius works, then it's easier to learn Ec.

I agree. I studied old languages and I did not find a connection with the way generic languages are constructed.

To me it feels like normal languages are like the HTML, PHP of speech; whereas Ecsys is the assembly, the machinecode of the brain.

Anybody heard of Glenn Beck? Most of the people in Europe haven't, I guess.
Here he is announcing an event that sounds pretty darn big. Without revealing much he suggests there are some announcements being made the next few days that 'will change your world overnight'.
Though he is very american centered I can't help but think this has to do with the Odrama (haha! Geddit?) that chaol announced some time ago.

Thread: Glen Beck UPDATE on Major Announcement Coming -June 13th 2013

Drudge is using strong words as well in describing the next days...

Thread: Drudges last 2 tweets very ominous

something's up!

Things do indeed seem to be changing fast.

Remember, Neo announced the next nexus is June 12-18th!

There was also an explosion in Louisana and shooting in St. Louis today. The derecho is lining up which affects 4 in 5 Americans and looks like US is setting up to invading Syria.

Last Edited by ERE3 on 06/13/2013 05:49 PM

double post

Last Edited by ERE3 on 06/13/2013 05:44 PM

My description of Dream World....less physical restraints and less understanding of what exactly is going on.

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Now I have to look up what an derecho is (we don't have those in The Netherlands I guess, lol)