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Message Subject Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Poster Handle U3
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Why isn't it something we need to know about?

What I'm trying to understand is how I use logic. For example, I didn't realize until a couple of days ago, how much I had been integrating The Netherlands into my life...seemingly for almost my whole life. Just the other day, my family commented on how European I look. I realized I had been dressing and acting European....walking everywhere, riding a bike everywhere, often wearing my hair in European hairstyles.

In the past, I would have even said it must be my destiny. Now, I see it that for whatever reason, I integrated it but I have no idea why. After I met the first people from NL, did I like them so much I kept integrating their country? I didn't like them that much, imo. It's just strange but something I'm looking into.
 Quoting: U3


Hi.

I just mean that it is represented in other ways, so we don't need to know about how the logic of the body changes as each moment. (It is reflected in our reality.)

For your example, just because there are some correlations with The Netherlands does not mean that there is something more to that, or that is where you will end up, or there is a message there. That's more about interaction rather than logic. Logic is free of representations on that scale.

"The Netherlands" is how you've chosen to interpret some of those values. You've chosen something (The Netherlands) based on what you have interacted with already. The interaction is not with the country but with the concept. And the concept is one interpretation out of a multitude.

There's perhaps no reason for it, other than it's something that makes sense in some way. Sometimes we try to extract meaning where none exists. The only "meaning" being a Logic that is free of meaning and exists because its a way to relate to something, and make new relationships.
 Quoting: Chaol




Hi NeoChaol,

Okay, so I can decide to change the logic of the body at any time and be immortal if I choose to do so? (Chaol mentioned that we may overcome death and I'm curious as to how this works....and I'm pretty sure the post is in this thread. I'm watching for it.)

I don't quite follow why logic is free of representations on the scale of interacting with The Netherlands? (I put your statement in bold above, for reference.)

So I am interacting with a concept of European (NL in particular) to form new relationships. And we form new relationships to have new perspectives, but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective.

I have demonstrated to myself that NL is here, that's for sure. I am still amazed I'd pick NL, but anyway, since I've learned this so well, I can use it to choose perspectives I am interested in now.
 Quoting: U3


"Decisions" are only useful inasmuch as something is made more relative by them.

One would not decide to change the logic of the body. The 'new' logic would be more relative. I know nothing of immortality, but if the dreamworld is anything to go by then things are as immortal as they need to be.

If the nature of perspective is anything to go by, you are already immortal because you would always have your perspective, even if certain physical perspectives pass.

I believe Chaol says that death happens to others, not to you (for the reasoning in the last paragraph).

"Logic is free of representations on that scale," means that we interpret logic, or an order, in whichever way is most convenient (or efficient) for us to.

To you the letters "FIFE IH WOHO JWIVH" may represent something different than they would to someone else.

You may see "The Netherlands" but it does not mean that it is "The Netherlands" to your subconscious. It is possible that it is only the idea of what that country represents, not the actual travel or life there. I don't know if there is any good way for you to know what it is for sure.

But, as you've said it, "...but I don't have to move to NL for the new perspective." (possibly)

Fundamentally, Logic and Representation are the same. But in our reality, Logic does not care how it is represented. We add the dressings ourselves, but they may belie the shape.
 Quoting: Chaol




Yes, we are immortal already. But Chaol said we may overcome death.

I'm really interested in how the logic works either in overcoming death or in how our logic works for a lifetime. I'm also interested in Chaol's statement that we are "here" because we forgot the logic.

I'm just trying to understand logic from every angle I can. To me, logic manifests the representation.
 
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