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Silver Ball Canning lids Failing

 
Dante.Destiny
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Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I heard Phennommennonn the other day in the voice chat mention she and several others were having Ball silver lids failing. I would like add that I have had some failing. They do not seem to be sealing properly. I also talked with my brother who said he had not had a lid not seal in 5 years until this week when a silver ball lid failed to seal straight out of the water bath.

SO I would recommend everyone, to be careful with these.
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Thanks for the 'heads up'!!!

Just like them to ruin home canning for preps...
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It's the fallout from the final stages of inflation, wherein everything turns to unusable sh*t.

Theanks, Congresional bastards for throwing all that $$$ at failed banks and causing this mess.

Olive oil's being packed in plastic bottles this year. Next year, the plastic bottles will be breaking apart within days of taking them home from the store.

Inflation= everything turns to junk.
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I wonder if it's something to do with the heat of a canner, vs. the heat of a hot water bath. I canned 32 jars of peach jam, with the silver lids, and they all sealed, and are still sealed. I'll watch them, but they seem fine.

If I had problems, I'd write the company. They'd probably send some coupons and freebies.
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I had some of my Raspberry Preserves in these and had left the rings on them. They have been sealed for 6-8 weeks. I took one of the rings off today and the seal popped within 5 seconds.

I was planning on hitting them up, but not sure I want more if they are failing. I have not had issues with the gold lids, just the silver.
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I had some of my Raspberry Preserves in these and had left the rings on them. They have been sealed for 6-8 weeks. I took one of the rings off today and the seal popped within 5 seconds.

I was planning on hitting them up, but not sure I want more if they are failing. I have not had issues with the gold lids, just the silver.
 Quoting: Dante.Destiny

That would just make me sick to have it go bad. I'm sorry you had it happen. Even if you don't want to can with the lids, if you got some free from the company, you could use them for things that don't require a seal, like rice, pasta, beans, etc. in qt. jars. Or, better yet, can a jar of water with the ones they send and see if it holds, and if it doesn't, hit them up again. bash
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Another thought. I wonder if the ones that failed were the same kind, or different than the ones that didn't fail. Looks like they had 3 different silver lids. I used the last one, the quilted jelly preserving lids.
[link to www.freshpreserving.com]
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Another thought. I wonder if the ones that failed were the same kind, or different than the ones that didn't fail. Looks like they had 3 different silver lids. I used the last one, the quilted jelly preserving lids.
[link to www.freshpreserving.com]
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Yeah, good question.

I have some of the top and some of the bottom. I know the one that failed of my brothers was definitely not the bottom one. Not where I can check on mine right now.
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
bump


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Haven't had a problem with them (yet). We do hot water for tomato's and pressure canner for green beans. It would piss me off after going through all the work of growing and canning if these damn things didn't seal.
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Yep, me too. I've had several not seal

I'd say upwards of ten in every 100
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Thanks for the feedback here, everyone. We've been using the gold Ball lids, and so for luckily not one has failed.
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OP

Thanks for the warning.


:D
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I know most are already doing this but be sure the rim of the canning jar is dry. That includes steam.

Might help, dunno.
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
Strange to see this post...

I bought a dozen odd sized jars (short and fat pints) on sale at wally world -

I was pressure canning green beans and 3 of the jars cracked around the bottom during processing (I've never, ever had this happen before). When I lifted the jars at the end of processing, the beans all fell out through the bottom??? I also had 3 more jars, that the lids didn't seal. The lids were silver with nothing printed on them...

I made a point to eat the other 6 jars first (I was worried the lids would fail on those also in long term storage)

Not real impressed -

For those of you who bottle alot, check these bulk lids out...
I've NEVER had one fail.
[link to www.lehmans.com]

It's a bummer, but everybody watch what you're putting up for at least a couple days before you store it long term (if you used the silver ones).
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
Just a note. on all the ones that have failed it seams to be the Ball Small mouth. Mine were all the 125 year anniversary lids.
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That's a manufacturer defect. They don't want people being able to eat. I'd call the company and let them know.
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
Just a note. on all the ones that have failed it seams to be the Ball Small mouth. Mine were all the 125 year anniversary lids.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 669615

Thanks for sharing that. I hope the company will make it right with those who had defective lids. Lot of work, time, and money involved.Very disgusting and maddening.
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50 out of 50 fine for me. possible bad batch?
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50 out of 50 fine for me. possible bad batch?
 Quoting: rachel 611967

Glad yours were fine, Rachel. Mine were too. There's a link up a ways in the thread about the 3 different lids they used this year. Which one did you use? I used the jelly lids.
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hmm thanks for the heads up.. just starting my canning today (yes.. a little behind)
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I have been canning for years......the same way every time.....hardly EVER a problem.....this year I have lost almost 1/2 of my canning products.....that would be over 150 quarts of various vegetables, etc.......does anyone know how we can recoop our time, effort and product.....I am so unhappy about this and it took so much time.....I was SO GLAD to finally know that it was just not me.
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I wonder if it's something to do with the heat of a canner, vs. the heat of a hot water bath. //...
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I would guess it has more to do with "made in China" ...


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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I had some problems two years ago. Don't recall the brand, but I had two different lids. The gray rubber sealant held, but the red rubber appeared to creep because the rubber was soft. A couple of them failed in the pressure cooker and you could see the displaced rubber. Some others failed days later up to a couple of weeks. Sealant formulation was messed up was my conclusion.

Appears to me that the commercial canners are using some kind of silicone rubber sealant. I have canned things in those jars with the original lids - some up to four times now without problems.

When the bottom breaks off a jar, that is due to too much thermal shock. I usually precook most things and have the jars in a steamer so they are hot too. Then, pour the hot material in a hot jar and finish in the pressure cooker. You can cut your pressure cooking time down to less than five minutes and have zero problems.
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Olive oil's being packed in plastic bottles this year. Next year, the plastic bottles will be breaking apart within days of taking them home from the store.


Inflation= everything turns to junk.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762019



I think we should take heed of what 762019 said.
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Olive oil's being packed in plastic bottles this year. Next year, the plastic bottles will be breaking apart within days of taking them home from the store.


Inflation= everything turns to junk.



I think we should take heed of what 762019 said.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™



Please clarify? I have noticed that more and more olive oil is being put into plastic versus glass. I thought it was just a cost cutting thing although I believe glass is much healthier of a storage mechanism than plastic which can leach -- but are you saying the olive oil will what - eat through the plastic or some kind of outgassing and explode the plastic container?
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I just purchased a couple sleeves of generic lids from Lehmans.

I am pitching the rest of the 125 anniversary silver ball lids. Some anniversary.



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Olive oil's being packed in plastic bottles this year. Next year, the plastic bottles will be breaking apart within days of taking them home from the store.


Inflation= everything turns to junk.
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I think we should take heed of what 762019 said.
 Quoting: 9teen.47™

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I would suggest avoiding anything packed in plastic, whenever possible.
Given a choice, I will buy in glass jars, even though the price is a bit higher.

Why?

Nothing is more important than good health.

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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I've been canning since I was 18 without problems ever, had sealing problems 2005-2007. Did nothing different. Alot of my canned goods went to waste, not to mention all that I had given to friends and family. Pretty scary, when you share something with friends and family, they trust its ok, makes them sick. I took 2008 off and didn't can due to me being so sick from the last years of canning. this year(2009) i decided to follow all directions, step my step(even though I knew them by heart) and see what happens. still failed. I had gone to a produce place where the lady there said she had some older ball/kerr lids. they were thicker with rubber. the problem is with these lids theres not enough rubber to seal it onto the top of jar. pretty sad. drug and food admistration should get word of this.. its not us, its the chincy lids their making now. all about greed and money. several years of bad batches of lids?
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ALWAYS, ALWAYS, BOIL THE LID BEFORE PUTTING IT ON THE JAR!!
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Re: Silver Ball Canning lids Failing
I've canned thousands of jars, and never had a problem until this week -- with the new silver Ball canning lids.

A full six out of 30 jars of pickled green tomatoes failed. Today, 3 out of 7 quarts of tomato juice failed. I know what I'm doing. I leave the right amount of head space, etc.

My husband says that some dweeb in Ball Marketing probably decided to save 100th of a cent on their lids and reduced the amount of metal. He's actually going to measure the old versus new lids with a micrometer to check this out.

The silver lids do seem lighter and less substantial.

I used all wide-mouth lids, by the way, so this problem isn't limited to narrow-mouth lids. And while researching this problem, I read in one account that you're not supposed to boil the new style lids to sterilize them because it changes the chemical composition of the rubber sealant.

Ball Company, bring the old lids back! Your new lids are a mistake, and sending me a few free lids won't compensate me for my time and effort.

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