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What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?

 
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What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
God will send a strong delusion that if were possible the very elect would be fooled. Could this be UFO's?
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God does not send delusions. satan does.
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The delusion is that the "aliens" created us. Many people already believe this. There are even bible thumpers that will say they are Angels.

Doom, he's referring to actual scripture.
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God will send a strong delusion that if were possible the very elect would be fooled. Could this be UFO's?
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UFO's, alien "space brothers", good-cop bad-cop alien war, enlightened beings, chanelled entities, false messiahs, lying signs and wonders in the mainstream churches, false signs in the heavenlies, false moves of God, false miracles, political and cultural promises of a golden age, etc.
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

The Modern church is in turmoil. Corruption is rampant. Sound Doctrine has fallen to the ground. (2Tim4:1-5) Although they have full, free access to the Bible, the Very WORDS of God, they cannot agree on the basic fundamental issues of: Repentance, Faith, sin & Grace. Pastors stand in pulpits and tell people in one breath to 'obey God & live holy' and in the next, that they are not 'able' to obey. They insist that Grace is NOT license to sin, while at the same time they teach it's normal to for a real Christian to sin everyday! No wonder people are confused.

The average professing Christian who attends church on a regular basis is perplexed & frustrated, wholly ignorant of Bible truth, but convinced they will make it to heaven in the end because of Grace. Ask them to produce a single shred of evidence that their faith is genuine or that they understand the true nature of God's Redeeming Grace & be accused of 'judging' or preaching a 'works' salvation. Self examination is out of the question because it is by 'grace' we are saved through faith, not of works! (Eph2:8-9)

The real possibility of having the 'faith' of devils, as James2:19 states, "The devils believe and tremble!", has never occurred to them. They have heard that 'Faith without works is dead' (Js2:17) But they do not understand the true impact of this statement and how it applies to genuine saving faith. The reason James said that faith without deeds is dead is because your DEEDS are the ONLY evidence that salvation has taken place in your soul! That's why scripture points out that you will be judged ACCORDING to your deeds! Rom2:7-10, John6:29, 2Cor5:10

Faith is substance & evidence, Heb11:1, and it is EVIDENT by your Obedience to God that you have NOT believed in Vain! 1Cor15:2. Thus scripture states that true faith, 'Works by love, purifies the heart & has victory over the world' Gal5:6, 1Pet1:22, 1Jh5:4 You are not left in bondage to sin & satan, groping in darkness and lusting in your heart.

IF YOU ARE TRULY SAVED, you have been:

"Called out of darkness into His marvelous light!" 1Pet2:9

"Turned from darkness to light, from the power of satan to God!" Acts24:18

"Delivered from the power of darkness & translated into the kingdom of His love!" Col1:13

"Crucified with Christ & made dead to sin." Rom6:6-7

"Turned into a New Creation in Christ!" 2Cor13:5

"Escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." 2Pet1:4

So please stop kidding yourselves about entering the Kingdom. If you are still in bondage to sin, lust or greed, you are NOT on the road to heaven. Your 'faith' has been hijacked by the false teachers. The deceiving spirits have spoken lies into your ears, you believed them and have forfeited your inheritance through the deceitfulness of sin. (Heb3:11-14) How could this possibly happen, you ask? False doctrine is the key.

False teaching through Spiritual doublespeak:

By the use of scriptural language and proper sounding terminology, the deceiving spirits have been able to deceive multitudes of preachers into teaching a 'doctrine' of demons! 1Tim4:1

The subtly of this deception is brilliant. Here's how it works:

1) They undermine the authority of God's Word by questioning the meaning.

For example on the issue of salvation by Grace not of works. They conclude that since 'grace' is a free gift from God, unmerited favor, man can do nothing to earn it, therefore he can do nothing to effect its outcome once he has received it! Called the doctrine of 'eternal security'. The problem with this deduction is that it precludes everything scripture has to say about enduing to the end, continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ & remaining steadfast in the faith.

But they have a rebuttal: 'Yes,' faith without deeds is dead, if a person is 'really' saved he will thereby continue, endure & remain. So we are saying the same thing! Here's where the real deception begins to set in. The Bible tells us plainly that we are to OBEY God, Strive to enter by the Narrow Gate, Keep ourselves in His Grace & endure to the end. (To name a few) (Rom6:16, Matt7:13-14, Luke13:24, Matt10:33, 1Jh5:18) It also teaches that God will Judge those who 'Obey not His Gospel' Rom2:7-10, 2Thess1:8

Again the demons will agree, YES we are commanded to obey the Gospel of Christ, which is to believe on Him who God sent! John3:16 (back to the faith of devils) But the Scriptures have much more to say about 'believing' on Christ which involves OBEDIENCE to His commands.

"For this is the love of God, that we Keep His commandments & His commandments are not burdensome." 1Jh5:3 This truth is stated throughout the Gospel of John and repeated by John numerous times. So you are NOT believing in God unless you are actively Obeying Him. That's what John meant when he said, "If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son!" 1Jh2:24 (abiding in Him means obeying Him!)

The Deception takes on many forms: 2Cor11:13-15

What this doublespeak has done is confuse the issue just enough to delude the human mind into a false sense of security. People can say they believe in Christ and that the Bible is true while at the same time they disobey His Commandments and sin everyday. Further examples:

2) Since no one is perfect, Grace must be God's way of accommodating man in his sin.

Christ said His Yoke is easy and burden light and He died for our sins, therefore the only way man can be happy & at peace with God at the same time, is by accepting the fact that he is forgiven by Grace and no longer has to worry about being perfect. (Rom10:9-10, 13) We confess with our mouth Jesus is Lord & believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead & we're saved! Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (sounds biblical enough)

But the end result is people who 'believe for a while' but having no 'root' they quickly fall back into satan's bondage, ensnared by the false notion they can be saved while continuing in sin. Luke8:13, Jh6:66, 8:30 It's the 'sensual' message spoken of in 2Pet2:1-3, they appeal to the flesh nature with great swelling words of emptiness! 2Pet2:18

This is why the Bible doesn't make sense to most professing Christians. They read the passages about holiness, obedience, self-denial and remaining steadfast to the end and can't understand how it applies to them! How could anyone be happy in Christ suffering, baring a cross, or giving up all their worldly possessions? (1Pet4:12-14, Luke14:26-33, Matt19:21)

Therefore the preachers MUST be right. These passages really mean, 'as long as I believe in Jesus and do my best I have nothing to worry about', "So I'll pursue my worldly lifestyle, enjoy my vain amusements and leave all that 'works' stuff to the fanatics." Thus the delusion is complete. The false doctrine become reality in the mind and the conscience is seared with the hot iron of self deception. 1Tim4:1-3 The person becomes a 'hearer' of the Word instead of a 'Doer' Js1:22 and he is deceived into believing himself secure when he is lost! Rev3:17

No wonder so few will Contend for the truth, why bother. It's all been done for us.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy

What makes this false doctrine so popular when it is so easily refuted by scripture? The answer is simple, people want the best of BOTH worlds! They want to indulge the flesh, enjoy the world and still make it to heaven when they die. OSAS is the perfect remedy. It permits carnal behavior, excuses it because of Grace and uses correct Biblical apologetics while doing it!

3) You can sin and NOT die! 2Cor11:3

The perfect deception. If you can convince the human mind that the purpose of Grace was merely to forgive their sins and cover their imperfections, you have unwittingly aligned yourself with satan. His original argument against God's truth in the Garden was exactly that! When the woman repeated God's warning of death for violating the Command not to eat of the tree, what did he say? "Thou shall surly not die! God knows when you eat you will become like Him, knowing good and evil." Gen3:4

In other words: YES Rom8:13 says, "If you live according to the flesh you will die." & Gal6:8, "For he who sows to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption!" & Eph5:6 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of immoral behavior the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience!" BUT it couldn't mean I'll die & go to hell for doing these things. Could it?

The preachers say no. To protect the false doctrine of OSAS they invent something called, 'Carnal Christianity' again basing it loosely on scriptural passages out of 1Cor3:3, 5:5, 6:12 Under it professing Christians can commit random acts of immorality, drunkenness, lust, etc and NOT be considered 'practicing' the sins listed in 1Cor6:9-10, Eph5:5-7. By twisting scripture the false teachers 'imply' that a true child of God walks daily under the bondage of sin and at times these sins may become extremely grievous, but they will never enter into condemnation.

To varying degrees OSAS is taught in the vast majority of Churches around the world. Some teachers are more blatant than others, using grace as license for lawless behavior. Others will suggest that people who return to sins bondage were never saved to begin with. Irrespective of the extreme, BOTH views lead people into error. When a person believes that nothing they do can send them to hell under grace, the flood gates are open to every sort of deceiving spirit satan can conjure. The spiritual safeguards are removed and the shield lowered.

They Believed in Vain! 2Cor15:2

In order to protect the false doctrine of eternal security the OSAS preachers must go into doublespeak overtime. Everything is explained away & means the opposite of what it says!

1) Faith is not substance & evidence, but a vague acknowledgment of Christ, based on the assumption He died for your sins & offers Grace as a gift. YET in itself Faith is defined as a Firm persuasion, based upon a hearing, producing confidence in the truth. No wonder Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, Matt17:20, if it's real no sin can withstand it!

2) Grace is presented as a vast scheme of indulgences, as though God feels sorry for you and is willing to just sweep your sins under the rug if you believe. But in Scripture Grace is Power. Christ gave Himself to Redeem us from every lawless deed & Purity for Himself His own special people zealous for good works! Titus2:14 "Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions & desires!" Gal5:24 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus beforehand for good works!" Eph2:10 "For sin shall not have dominion over you! Rom6:14

3) Obedience is 'works'. Under OSAS any talk of obeying God is out of the question because it's all been done for you in Christ. In Scripture however, Obedience is the Cornerstone of the faith, which leads to purity of heart, 1Pet1:22, Steadfast endurance, Col1:23, Confidence in the faith, Heb3:14, Freedom from sin, Jh8:31-32, & Victory over the world, 1Jh5:4

4) Sin is inbred so no one can ever be free from its corrupting influence. Therefore since no one is perfect, we all sin everyday and God's Grace keeps us pure. But these are all lies from satan designed to put you back into bondage and led you into hell. Scripture says those born of God have Victory over sin, because Christ purchased the Victory for us! 1Jh3:8, 5:4 Also if we put on the Mind of Christ, we can CEASE from sin in the flesh, 1Pet4:1, And when we OBEY from the heart that form of doctrine to which we are delivered, we are set free from sin & made slaves to righteousness, having fruit to holiness, which ends in eternal life! Rom6:17-18, 22

2Pet1:4 says we have "exceeding great & precious promises that through these we can become Partakers of the Divine Nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust!"

Eph4:24 says, "If you put on the new man which was created according to God in righteousness and true holiness, you will be renewed in the spirit of your mind & escape lust."

Col2:12 says, "You were buried with Him in baptism & raised with Him through faith to walk in Newness of life!" Rom6:6

If all this means that a Christian has no choice but to sin everyday, then the Bible is fraudulent! But since it is the Truth of God's Word you have but one choice toward life, OBEY Him and live! Reject the false teachers & their ruinous doctrines, "Awake to Righteous & sin not, some of you do not have the knowledge of God, I speak this to your shame!" 1Cor15:34

Come into the Light of Christ & the Knowledge of His Glory & Behold the face of God!

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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

The Modern church is in turmoil. Corruption is rampant. Sound Doctrine has fallen to the ground. (2Tim4:1-5) Although they have full, free access to the Bible, the Very WORDS of God, they cannot agree on the basic fundamental issues of: Repentance, Faith, sin & Grace. Pastors stand in pulpits and tell people in one breath to 'obey God & live holy' and in the next, that they are not 'able' to obey. They insist that Grace is NOT license to sin, while at the same time they teach it's normal to for a real Christian to sin everyday! No wonder people are confused.

The average professing Christian who attends church on a regular basis is perplexed & frustrated, wholly ignorant of Bible truth, but convinced they will make it to heaven in the end because of Grace. Ask them to produce a single shred of evidence that their faith is genuine or that they understand the true nature of God's Redeeming Grace & be accused of 'judging' or preaching a 'works' salvation. Self examination is out of the question because it is by 'grace' we are saved through faith, not of works! (Eph2:8-9)

The real possibility of having the 'faith' of devils, as James2:19 states, "The devils believe and tremble!", has never occurred to them. They have heard that 'Faith without works is dead' (Js2:17) But they do not understand the true impact of this statement and how it applies to genuine saving faith. The reason James said that faith without deeds is dead is because your DEEDS are the ONLY evidence that salvation has taken place in your soul! That's why scripture points out that you will be judged ACCORDING to your deeds! Rom2:7-10, John6:29, 2Cor5:10

Faith is substance & evidence, Heb11:1, and it is EVIDENT by your Obedience to God that you have NOT believed in Vain! 1Cor15:2. Thus scripture states that true faith, 'Works by love, purifies the heart & has victory over the world' Gal5:6, 1Pet1:22, 1Jh5:4 You are not left in bondage to sin & satan, groping in darkness and lusting in your heart.

IF YOU ARE TRULY SAVED, you have been:

"Called out of darkness into His marvelous light!" 1Pet2:9

"Turned from darkness to light, from the power of satan to God!" Acts24:18

"Delivered from the power of darkness & translated into the kingdom of His love!" Col1:13

"Crucified with Christ & made dead to sin." Rom6:6-7

"Turned into a New Creation in Christ!" 2Cor13:5

"Escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." 2Pet1:4

So please stop kidding yourselves about entering the Kingdom. If you are still in bondage to sin, lust or greed, you are NOT on the road to heaven. Your 'faith' has been hijacked by the false teachers. The deceiving spirits have spoken lies into your ears, you believed them and have forfeited your inheritance through the deceitfulness of sin. (Heb3:11-14) How could this possibly happen, you ask? False doctrine is the key.

False teaching through Spiritual doublespeak:

By the use of scriptural language and proper sounding terminology, the deceiving spirits have been able to deceive multitudes of preachers into teaching a 'doctrine' of demons! 1Tim4:1

The subtly of this deception is brilliant. Here's how it works:

1) They undermine the authority of God's Word by questioning the meaning.

For example on the issue of salvation by Grace not of works. They conclude that since 'grace' is a free gift from God, unmerited favor, man can do nothing to earn it, therefore he can do nothing to effect its outcome once he has received it! Called the doctrine of 'eternal security'. The problem with this deduction is that it precludes everything scripture has to say about enduing to the end, continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ & remaining steadfast in the faith.

But they have a rebuttal: 'Yes,' faith without deeds is dead, if a person is 'really' saved he will thereby continue, endure & remain. So we are saying the same thing! Here's where the real deception begins to set in. The Bible tells us plainly that we are to OBEY God, Strive to enter by the Narrow Gate, Keep ourselves in His Grace & endure to the end. (To name a few) (Rom6:16, Matt7:13-14, Luke13:24, Matt10:33, 1Jh5:18) It also teaches that God will Judge those who 'Obey not His Gospel' Rom2:7-10, 2Thess1:8

Again the demons will agree, YES we are commanded to obey the Gospel of Christ, which is to believe on Him who God sent! John3:16 (back to the faith of devils) But the Scriptures have much more to say about 'believing' on Christ which involves OBEDIENCE to His commands.

"For this is the love of God, that we Keep His commandments & His commandments are not burdensome." 1Jh5:3 This truth is stated throughout the Gospel of John and repeated by John numerous times. So you are NOT believing in God unless you are actively Obeying Him. That's what John meant when he said, "If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son!" 1Jh2:24 (abiding in Him means obeying Him!)

The Deception takes on many forms: 2Cor11:13-15

What this doublespeak has done is confuse the issue just enough to delude the human mind into a false sense of security. People can say they believe in Christ and that the Bible is true while at the same time they disobey His Commandments and sin everyday. Further examples:

2) Since no one is perfect, Grace must be God's way of accommodating man in his sin.

Christ said His Yoke is easy and burden light and He died for our sins, therefore the only way man can be happy & at peace with God at the same time, is by accepting the fact that he is forgiven by Grace and no longer has to worry about being perfect. (Rom10:9-10, 13) We confess with our mouth Jesus is Lord & believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead & we're saved! Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (sounds biblical enough)

But the end result is people who 'believe for a while' but having no 'root' they quickly fall back into satan's bondage, ensnared by the false notion they can be saved while continuing in sin. Luke8:13, Jh6:66, 8:30 It's the 'sensual' message spoken of in 2Pet2:1-3, they appeal to the flesh nature with great swelling words of emptiness! 2Pet2:18

This is why the Bible doesn't make sense to most professing Christians. They read the passages about holiness, obedience, self-denial and remaining steadfast to the end and can't understand how it applies to them! How could anyone be happy in Christ suffering, baring a cross, or giving up all their worldly possessions? (1Pet4:12-14, Luke14:26-33, Matt19:21)

Therefore the preachers MUST be right. These passages really mean, 'as long as I believe in Jesus and do my best I have nothing to worry about', "So I'll pursue my worldly lifestyle, enjoy my vain amusements and leave all that 'works' stuff to the fanatics." Thus the delusion is complete. The false doctrine become reality in the mind and the conscience is seared with the hot iron of self deception. 1Tim4:1-3 The person becomes a 'hearer' of the Word instead of a 'Doer' Js1:22 and he is deceived into believing himself secure when he is lost! Rev3:17

No wonder so few will Contend for the truth, why bother. It's all been done for us.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy

What makes this false doctrine so popular when it is so easily refuted by scripture? The answer is simple, people want the best of BOTH worlds! They want to indulge the flesh, enjoy the world and still make it to heaven when they die. OSAS is the perfect remedy. It permits carnal behavior, excuses it because of Grace and uses correct Biblical apologetics while doing it!

3) You can sin and NOT die! 2Cor11:3

The perfect deception. If you can convince the human mind that the purpose of Grace was merely to forgive their sins and cover their imperfections, you have unwittingly aligned yourself with satan. His original argument against God's truth in the Garden was exactly that! When the woman repeated God's warning of death for violating the Command not to eat of the tree, what did he say? "Thou shall surly not die! God knows when you eat you will become like Him, knowing good and evil." Gen3:4

In other words: YES Rom8:13 says, "If you live according to the flesh you will die." & Gal6:8, "For he who sows to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption!" & Eph5:6 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of immoral behavior the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience!" BUT it couldn't mean I'll die & go to hell for doing these things. Could it?

The preachers say no. To protect the false doctrine of OSAS they invent something called, 'Carnal Christianity' again basing it loosely on scriptural passages out of 1Cor3:3, 5:5, 6:12 Under it professing Christians can commit random acts of immorality, drunkenness, lust, etc and NOT be considered 'practicing' the sins listed in 1Cor6:9-10, Eph5:5-7. By twisting scripture the false teachers 'imply' that a true child of God walks daily under the bondage of sin and at times these sins may become extremely grievous, but they will never enter into condemnation.

To varying degrees OSAS is taught in the vast majority of Churches around the world. Some teachers are more blatant than others, using grace as license for lawless behavior. Others will suggest that people who return to sins bondage were never saved to begin with. Irrespective of the extreme, BOTH views lead people into error. When a person believes that nothing they do can send them to hell under grace, the flood gates are open to every sort of deceiving spirit satan can conjure. The spiritual safeguards are removed and the shield lowered.

They Believed in Vain! 2Cor15:2

In order to protect the false doctrine of eternal security the OSAS preachers must go into doublespeak overtime. Everything is explained away & means the opposite of what it says!

1) Faith is not substance & evidence, but a vague acknowledgment of Christ, based on the assumption He died for your sins & offers Grace as a gift. YET in itself Faith is defined as a Firm persuasion, based upon a hearing, producing confidence in the truth. No wonder Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, Matt17:20, if it's real no sin can withstand it!

2) Grace is presented as a vast scheme of indulgences, as though God feels sorry for you and is willing to just sweep your sins under the rug if you believe. But in Scripture Grace is Power. Christ gave Himself to Redeem us from every lawless deed & Purity for Himself His own special people zealous for good works! Titus2:14 "Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions & desires!" Gal5:24 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus beforehand for good works!" Eph2:10 "For sin shall not have dominion over you! Rom6:14

3) Obedience is 'works'. Under OSAS any talk of obeying God is out of the question because it's all been done for you in Christ. In Scripture however, Obedience is the Cornerstone of the faith, which leads to purity of heart, 1Pet1:22, Steadfast endurance, Col1:23, Confidence in the faith, Heb3:14, Freedom from sin, Jh8:31-32, & Victory over the world, 1Jh5:4

4) Sin is inbred so no one can ever be free from its corrupting influence. Therefore since no one is perfect, we all sin everyday and God's Grace keeps us pure. But these are all lies from satan designed to put you back into bondage and led you into hell. Scripture says those born of God have Victory over sin, because Christ purchased the Victory for us! 1Jh3:8, 5:4 Also if we put on the Mind of Christ, we can CEASE from sin in the flesh, 1Pet4:1, And when we OBEY from the heart that form of doctrine to which we are delivered, we are set free from sin & made slaves to righteousness, having fruit to holiness, which ends in eternal life! Rom6:17-18, 22

2Pet1:4 says we have "exceeding great & precious promises that through these we can become Partakers of the Divine Nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust!"

Eph4:24 says, "If you put on the new man which was created according to God in righteousness and true holiness, you will be renewed in the spirit of your mind & escape lust."

Col2:12 says, "You were buried with Him in baptism & raised with Him through faith to walk in Newness of life!" Rom6:6

If all this means that a Christian has no choice but to sin everyday, then the Bible is fraudulent! But since it is the Truth of God's Word you have but one choice toward life, OBEY Him and live! Reject the false teachers & their ruinous doctrines, "Awake to Righteous & sin not, some of you do not have the knowledge of God, I speak this to your shame!" 1Cor15:34

Come into the Light of Christ & the Knowledge of His Glory & Behold the face of God!

[link to examineyourself.info]
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So, You are saying you do not sin? Paul says the things I do I do not want to do (goes on )do we have license to sin? God forbid.

Basically, We (Christians) are saved by grace (Soul)but, our bodies are corrupt and still has a sin nature, we are in spiritual warfare until the end of our lives or until Christ comes, we endure because Christ live within us. You make it sound like you can lose your salvation.
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this is stupid, If God want us to be saved, why he send a strong delusion to a weak puny human, he making it things worse than we already have

I don't get it why God does that, nothing in the bible is good news

How can you call it good news if we don't know the truth

How can we "love the truth" what truth?! The bible never said what kind of truth the bible talking about and no, God is not talking about "Jesus" because he the truth, if that truth, why he sending strong delusion?

Proof God does alot dirty thing than Satan in the bible anyway...
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this is stupid, If God want us to be saved, why he send a strong delusion to a weak puny human, he making it things worse than we already have

I don't get it why God does that, nothing in the bible is good news

How can you call it good news if we don't know the truth

How can we "love the truth" what truth?! The bible never said what kind of truth the bible talking about and no, God is not talking about "Jesus" because he the truth, if that truth, why he sending strong delusion?

Proof God does alot dirty thing than Satan in the bible anyway...
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I still want answer
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How about...the Bible.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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God does not send delusions. satan does.
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According to the Bible, God sends both.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
I still want answer

How about...the Bible.
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ha ha, nice sarcasm
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09/03/2009 01:25 AM
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
I still want answer

How about...the Bible.

ha ha, nice sarcasm
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Only half sarcasm...actually one part sarcasm, one part irony, and the other an indiscernible mix of truth and humor hf
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 01:26 AM

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God will send a strong delusion that if were possible the very elect would be fooled. Could this be UFO's?
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And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2Thess 2:11


This is AFTER the GREAT APOSTACY or "falling away"


Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 2Thess 2:3

The LIE? verse 4 answers the question

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Paul who wrote Thess. also warns against his in Romans 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever

Why does God do this?

Verse 12 in 2Thess. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
God: "Oh and love your enemies... but kill the hell out of them If I tell you to!"
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 01:28 AM
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hi

the examine yourself info -- I perused the site (the text is cut and paste in the thread) and it looks very official with lots of scripture citations etc. but completely denies propitiation -- Christ as our Redeemer taking our sins to the cross and us in return receiving His righteousness by grace through faith

no one ever ever ever was saved by works of righteousness -- but this site claims that somehow someway we are capable of stopping sinning after we're saved -- it's pretty scary! it says those who are truly saved will no longer deliberately willfully sin (I guess we can still ignorantly accidentally sin and that's ok?

look, striving for righteousness and obedience is highly commendable -- I'm learning to aim for that myself (I admit I miss the mark a lot!) -- but no one ever was or ever will be saved by being good. only by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

the site does admit that but adds caveats like a boatload of fine print on a pharmaceutical ad -- yes we're saved by grace through faith BUT and ya gotta and ya gotta and ya gotta -- in fact it implies if we're genuinely saved we won't even have to "gotta" we just WILL -- by some miracle -- no longer sin.

I would like very much to meet these Christian exemplars and follow them around for a week or two, perhaps with a video camera! might even catch them walking across a river or two, that is; if they ever leave their homes at all! they would either be going about multiplying loaves and fishes in the lunchroom, or more likely staying home in a semi-vegetative state!

it would be interesting to see how they interact with mere Christians -- or gasp!! heathens!!

anyway the strong delusion? could be ufos I don't know. I do know I hope I'm not here when it happens!

love joy and peace

rb
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Paul who wrote Thess. also warns against his in Romans 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever
 Quoting: mathetes

Oh man does that not speak about "Jesus" and all Christianity has done with him?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 01:31 AM
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but still it not the people's fault, it God's will to cause all people stupid
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09/03/2009 01:34 AM
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but still it not the people's fault, it God's will to cause all people stupid
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Well obviously...
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 01:38 AM
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
Only for some.
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09/03/2009 01:42 AM
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hi

the examine yourself info -- I perused the site (the text is cut and paste in the thread) and it looks very official with lots of scripture citations etc. but completely denies propitiation -- Christ as our Redeemer taking our sins to the cross and us in return receiving His righteousness by grace through faith

no one ever ever ever was saved by works of righteousness -- but this site claims that somehow someway we are capable of stopping sinning after we're saved -- it's pretty scary! it says those who are truly saved will no longer deliberately willfully sin (I guess we can still ignorantly accidentally sin and that's ok?

look, striving for righteousness and obedience is highly commendable -- I'm learning to aim for that myself (I admit I miss the mark a lot!) -- but no one ever was or ever will be saved by being good. only by the Blood of Jesus Christ.

the site does admit that but adds caveats like a boatload of fine print on a pharmaceutical ad -- yes we're saved by grace through faith BUT and ya gotta and ya gotta and ya gotta -- in fact it implies if we're genuinely saved we won't even have to "gotta" we just WILL -- by some miracle -- no longer sin.

I would like very much to meet these Christian exemplars and follow them around for a week or two, perhaps with a video camera! might even catch them walking across a river or two, that is; if they ever leave their homes at all! they would either be going about multiplying loaves and fishes in the lunchroom, or more likely staying home in a semi-vegetative state!

it would be interesting to see how they interact with mere Christians -- or gasp!! heathens!!

anyway the strong delusion? could be ufos I don't know. I do know I hope I'm not here when it happens!

love joy and peace

rb
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:thanks:
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09/03/2009 01:44 AM
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11
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9/11
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09/03/2009 01:46 AM
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

9/11
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lol..what does 9/11 have to do with delusion?
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

9/11


lol..what does 9/11 have to do with delusion?
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Great, so we've gone from terrorists to the government to alien holgrams...to God did 9-11???
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Paul who wrote Thess. also warns against his in Romans 1:25

Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever

Oh man does that not speak about "Jesus" and all Christianity has done with him?
 Quoting: WrecksDeus

Guess you have not read any of 2nd Thess.?

That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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09/03/2009 01:57 AM
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Guess you have not read any of 2nd Thess.?

That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: mathetes

Did his mother call him by that name?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

9/11


lol..what does 9/11 have to do with delusion?

Great, so we've gone from terrorists to the government to alien holgrams...to God did 9-11???
 Quoting: WrecksDeus


This is why we don't know which "delusion" is, the bible never help........it never even "hint" what is delusion is...this is why it's not people fault, because we was born now and we have no idea what the fuck is going on...
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09/03/2009 02:03 AM
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9/11 Truth Will Set U.S. Free
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This is why we don't know which "delusion" is, the bible never help........it never even "hint" what is delusion is...this is why it's not people fault, because we was born now and we have no idea what the fuck is going on...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757823

That's the most honest thing I've read today cheers

Try this...if you want to get closer to God would you start by telling God who God is?

Or to anyone else until one has experienced it?

This would be intellectual honesty yes?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 02:04 AM
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9/11 Truth Will Set U.S. Free
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YES!

Now there's a million dollar bumper sticker idea...
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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09/03/2009 02:04 AM
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Re: What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?
The strong delusion is reality.

Reality is like a holodeck. It's an illusion.

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