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What is the "Strong Delusion" that GOD sends?

 
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

9/11

lol..what does 9/11 have to do with delusion?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 757823

Anyone who believes the "official" story probably believes in the Easter Bunny also.

I am perfectly serious. I do believe the false-flag events of 9/11 qualify as a major end-time deception if there was ever to be one. Next up, chemtrails, H1N1, Obama, natural-born-citizen. Maybe even a big UFO, Project Blue Beam, second-coming show in the sky to come.
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Guess you have not read any of 2nd Thess.?

That the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and ye in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did his mother call him by that name?
 Quoting: WrecksDeus

And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.


So...yeah
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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The strong delusion is reality.

Reality is like a holodeck. It's an illusion.
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Nice idea but one would assume people were living in this same "reality" when "God" said he'd send a delusion later...
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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It's the Obamanation.
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It's the Obamanation.
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putin
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

The Modern church is in turmoil. Corruption is rampant. Sound Doctrine has fallen to the ground. (2Tim4:1-5) Although they have full, free access to the Bible, the Very WORDS of God, they cannot agree on the basic fundamental issues of: Repentance, Faith, sin & Grace. Pastors stand in pulpits and tell people in one breath to 'obey God & live holy' and in the next, that they are not 'able' to obey. They insist that Grace is NOT license to sin, while at the same time they teach it's normal to for a real Christian to sin everyday! No wonder people are confused.

The average professing Christian who attends church on a regular basis is perplexed & frustrated, wholly ignorant of Bible truth, but convinced they will make it to heaven in the end because of Grace. Ask them to produce a single shred of evidence that their faith is genuine or that they understand the true nature of God's Redeeming Grace & be accused of 'judging' or preaching a 'works' salvation. Self examination is out of the question because it is by 'grace' we are saved through faith, not of works! (Eph2:8-9)

The real possibility of having the 'faith' of devils, as James2:19 states, "The devils believe and tremble!", has never occurred to them. They have heard that 'Faith without works is dead' (Js2:17) But they do not understand the true impact of this statement and how it applies to genuine saving faith. The reason James said that faith without deeds is dead is because your DEEDS are the ONLY evidence that salvation has taken place in your soul! That's why scripture points out that you will be judged ACCORDING to your deeds! Rom2:7-10, John6:29, 2Cor5:10

Faith is substance & evidence, Heb11:1, and it is EVIDENT by your Obedience to God that you have NOT believed in Vain! 1Cor15:2. Thus scripture states that true faith, 'Works by love, purifies the heart & has victory over the world' Gal5:6, 1Pet1:22, 1Jh5:4 You are not left in bondage to sin & satan, groping in darkness and lusting in your heart.

IF YOU ARE TRULY SAVED, you have been:

"Called out of darkness into His marvelous light!" 1Pet2:9

"Turned from darkness to light, from the power of satan to God!" Acts24:18

"Delivered from the power of darkness & translated into the kingdom of His love!" Col1:13

"Crucified with Christ & made dead to sin." Rom6:6-7

"Turned into a New Creation in Christ!" 2Cor13:5

"Escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." 2Pet1:4

So please stop kidding yourselves about entering the Kingdom. If you are still in bondage to sin, lust or greed, you are NOT on the road to heaven. Your 'faith' has been hijacked by the false teachers. The deceiving spirits have spoken lies into your ears, you believed them and have forfeited your inheritance through the deceitfulness of sin. (Heb3:11-14) How could this possibly happen, you ask? False doctrine is the key.

False teaching through Spiritual doublespeak:

By the use of scriptural language and proper sounding terminology, the deceiving spirits have been able to deceive multitudes of preachers into teaching a 'doctrine' of demons! 1Tim4:1

The subtly of this deception is brilliant. Here's how it works:

1) They undermine the authority of God's Word by questioning the meaning.

For example on the issue of salvation by Grace not of works. They conclude that since 'grace' is a free gift from God, unmerited favor, man can do nothing to earn it, therefore he can do nothing to effect its outcome once he has received it! Called the doctrine of 'eternal security'. The problem with this deduction is that it precludes everything scripture has to say about enduing to the end, continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ & remaining steadfast in the faith.

But they have a rebuttal: 'Yes,' faith without deeds is dead, if a person is 'really' saved he will thereby continue, endure & remain. So we are saying the same thing! Here's where the real deception begins to set in. The Bible tells us plainly that we are to OBEY God, Strive to enter by the Narrow Gate, Keep ourselves in His Grace & endure to the end. (To name a few) (Rom6:16, Matt7:13-14, Luke13:24, Matt10:33, 1Jh5:18) It also teaches that God will Judge those who 'Obey not His Gospel' Rom2:7-10, 2Thess1:8

Again the demons will agree, YES we are commanded to obey the Gospel of Christ, which is to believe on Him who God sent! John3:16 (back to the faith of devils) But the Scriptures have much more to say about 'believing' on Christ which involves OBEDIENCE to His commands.

"For this is the love of God, that we Keep His commandments & His commandments are not burdensome." 1Jh5:3 This truth is stated throughout the Gospel of John and repeated by John numerous times. So you are NOT believing in God unless you are actively Obeying Him. That's what John meant when he said, "If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son!" 1Jh2:24 (abiding in Him means obeying Him!)

The Deception takes on many forms: 2Cor11:13-15

What this doublespeak has done is confuse the issue just enough to delude the human mind into a false sense of security. People can say they believe in Christ and that the Bible is true while at the same time they disobey His Commandments and sin everyday. Further examples:

2) Since no one is perfect, Grace must be God's way of accommodating man in his sin.

Christ said His Yoke is easy and burden light and He died for our sins, therefore the only way man can be happy & at peace with God at the same time, is by accepting the fact that he is forgiven by Grace and no longer has to worry about being perfect. (Rom10:9-10, 13) We confess with our mouth Jesus is Lord & believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead & we're saved! Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (sounds biblical enough)

But the end result is people who 'believe for a while' but having no 'root' they quickly fall back into satan's bondage, ensnared by the false notion they can be saved while continuing in sin. Luke8:13, Jh6:66, 8:30 It's the 'sensual' message spoken of in 2Pet2:1-3, they appeal to the flesh nature with great swelling words of emptiness! 2Pet2:18

This is why the Bible doesn't make sense to most professing Christians. They read the passages about holiness, obedience, self-denial and remaining steadfast to the end and can't understand how it applies to them! How could anyone be happy in Christ suffering, baring a cross, or giving up all their worldly possessions? (1Pet4:12-14, Luke14:26-33, Matt19:21)

Therefore the preachers MUST be right. These passages really mean, 'as long as I believe in Jesus and do my best I have nothing to worry about', "So I'll pursue my worldly lifestyle, enjoy my vain amusements and leave all that 'works' stuff to the fanatics." Thus the delusion is complete. The false doctrine become reality in the mind and the conscience is seared with the hot iron of self deception. 1Tim4:1-3 The person becomes a 'hearer' of the Word instead of a 'Doer' Js1:22 and he is deceived into believing himself secure when he is lost! Rev3:17

No wonder so few will Contend for the truth, why bother. It's all been done for us.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy

What makes this false doctrine so popular when it is so easily refuted by scripture? The answer is simple, people want the best of BOTH worlds! They want to indulge the flesh, enjoy the world and still make it to heaven when they die. OSAS is the perfect remedy. It permits carnal behavior, excuses it because of Grace and uses correct Biblical apologetics while doing it!

3) You can sin and NOT die! 2Cor11:3

The perfect deception. If you can convince the human mind that the purpose of Grace was merely to forgive their sins and cover their imperfections, you have unwittingly aligned yourself with satan. His original argument against God's truth in the Garden was exactly that! When the woman repeated God's warning of death for violating the Command not to eat of the tree, what did he say? "Thou shall surly not die! God knows when you eat you will become like Him, knowing good and evil." Gen3:4

In other words: YES Rom8:13 says, "If you live according to the flesh you will die." & Gal6:8, "For he who sows to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption!" & Eph5:6 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of immoral behavior the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience!" BUT it couldn't mean I'll die & go to hell for doing these things. Could it?

The preachers say no. To protect the false doctrine of OSAS they invent something called, 'Carnal Christianity' again basing it loosely on scriptural passages out of 1Cor3:3, 5:5, 6:12 Under it professing Christians can commit random acts of immorality, drunkenness, lust, etc and NOT be considered 'practicing' the sins listed in 1Cor6:9-10, Eph5:5-7. By twisting scripture the false teachers 'imply' that a true child of God walks daily under the bondage of sin and at times these sins may become extremely grievous, but they will never enter into condemnation.

To varying degrees OSAS is taught in the vast majority of Churches around the world. Some teachers are more blatant than others, using grace as license for lawless behavior. Others will suggest that people who return to sins bondage were never saved to begin with. Irrespective of the extreme, BOTH views lead people into error. When a person believes that nothing they do can send them to hell under grace, the flood gates are open to every sort of deceiving spirit satan can conjure. The spiritual safeguards are removed and the shield lowered.

They Believed in Vain! 2Cor15:2

In order to protect the false doctrine of eternal security the OSAS preachers must go into doublespeak overtime. Everything is explained away & means the opposite of what it says!

1) Faith is not substance & evidence, but a vague acknowledgment of Christ, based on the assumption He died for your sins & offers Grace as a gift. YET in itself Faith is defined as a Firm persuasion, based upon a hearing, producing confidence in the truth. No wonder Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, Matt17:20, if it's real no sin can withstand it!

2) Grace is presented as a vast scheme of indulgences, as though God feels sorry for you and is willing to just sweep your sins under the rug if you believe. But in Scripture Grace is Power. Christ gave Himself to Redeem us from every lawless deed & Purity for Himself His own special people zealous for good works! Titus2:14 "Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions & desires!" Gal5:24 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus beforehand for good works!" Eph2:10 "For sin shall not have dominion over you! Rom6:14

3) Obedience is 'works'. Under OSAS any talk of obeying God is out of the question because it's all been done for you in Christ. In Scripture however, Obedience is the Cornerstone of the faith, which leads to purity of heart, 1Pet1:22, Steadfast endurance, Col1:23, Confidence in the faith, Heb3:14, Freedom from sin, Jh8:31-32, & Victory over the world, 1Jh5:4

4) Sin is inbred so no one can ever be free from its corrupting influence. Therefore since no one is perfect, we all sin everyday and God's Grace keeps us pure. But these are all lies from satan designed to put you back into bondage and led you into hell. Scripture says those born of God have Victory over sin, because Christ purchased the Victory for us! 1Jh3:8, 5:4 Also if we put on the Mind of Christ, we can CEASE from sin in the flesh, 1Pet4:1, And when we OBEY from the heart that form of doctrine to which we are delivered, we are set free from sin & made slaves to righteousness, having fruit to holiness, which ends in eternal life! Rom6:17-18, 22

2Pet1:4 says we have "exceeding great & precious promises that through these we can become Partakers of the Divine Nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust!"

Eph4:24 says, "If you put on the new man which was created according to God in righteousness and true holiness, you will be renewed in the spirit of your mind & escape lust."

Col2:12 says, "You were buried with Him in baptism & raised with Him through faith to walk in Newness of life!" Rom6:6

If all this means that a Christian has no choice but to sin everyday, then the Bible is fraudulent! But since it is the Truth of God's Word you have but one choice toward life, OBEY Him and live! Reject the false teachers & their ruinous doctrines, "Awake to Righteous & sin not, some of you do not have the knowledge of God, I speak this to your shame!" 1Cor15:34

Come into the Light of Christ & the Knowledge of His Glory & Behold the face of God!

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I DO NOT believe I was born DAMNED and in need of saving.

I don't fall for GOD's strong delusions.

don't you get it man?

free yourself.
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this is stupid, If God want us to be saved, why he send a strong delusion to a weak puny human, he making it things worse than we already have

I don't get it why God does that, nothing in the bible is good news

How can you call it good news if we don't know the truth

How can we "love the truth" what truth?! The bible never said what kind of truth the bible talking about and no, God is not talking about "Jesus" because he the truth, if that truth, why he sending strong delusion?

Proof God does alot dirty thing than Satan in the bible anyway...

I still want answer
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hi friend -- Jesus IS the Way the Life and the Truth -- we are to keep our eyes on Him as the author and finisher of our faith. we love Him because He first loved us and His kindness leads us to repentance.

ask Jesus into your heart and He will come in. He is the Door, but the doorknob is on OUR side -- He is knocking always but WE have to open the Door. once we let Him into our hearts, He will NEVER leave us nor forsake us.

we are in a time of deception right now. false religions false teachings atheism and twisted perverted versions of Christianity are flourishing. the Truth of the simple gospel message can seem relatively hackneyed and dated. but it is just as true now as 2000 years ago -- Jesus died for our sins and rose from the grave to give us eternal life.

the strong delusion could be coming up at the time when Satan is tossed from heavenly access and becomes enraged knowing his time is short. perhaps the demons will be cast to earth with him. however it comes about it will assuredly be a horrible time.

best to just stick very very close to Jesus and maybe don't trip too much on deceptions and delusions. take every thought captive to the obedience to Christ!!

love rb
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Perhaps the delusion is how people believe every catastrophic act of nature is man-made, rather than dealing with the fact that a force so much greater than man is actually running the show.
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9/11 Truth Will Set U.S. Free

YES!

Now there's a million dollar bumper sticker idea...
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I have that bumpersticker. You can get one too. [link to www.911sharethetruth.com]
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hi friend -- Jesus IS the Way the Life and the Truth -- we are to keep our eyes on Him as the author and finisher of our faith. we love Him because He first loved us and His kindness leads us to repentance.

ask Jesus into your heart and He will come in. He is the Door, but the doorknob is on OUR side -- He is knocking always but WE have to open the Door. once we let Him into our hearts, He will NEVER leave us nor forsake us.

we are in a time of deception right now. false religions false teachings atheism and twisted perverted versions of Christianity are flourishing. the Truth of the simple gospel message can seem relatively hackneyed and dated. but it is just as true now as 2000 years ago -- Jesus died for our sins and rose from the grave to give us eternal life.

the strong delusion could be coming up at the time when Satan is tossed from heavenly access and becomes enraged knowing his time is short. perhaps the demons will be cast to earth with him. however it comes about it will assuredly be a horrible time.

best to just stick very very close to Jesus and maybe don't trip too much on deceptions and delusions. take every thought captive to the obedience to Christ!!

love rb
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I think we can sum it up with; Don't worry about it God will take care of everything. flower

Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 09/03/2009 02:26 AM
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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I think we can sum it up with; Don't worry about it God will take care of everything. flower
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Let go and Let God. I heard that in an AA meeting ... once.
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The context of Paul's prophecy regarding the strong delusion has to do with the return of Christ. Indeed, according to Jesus' own remarks regarding his return the most prominent feature of the sign of Christ's presence is that there will be numerous false christs and false prophets and those saying here is the Christ and there is the Christ, and so forth. Everything is already pretty much in place for Satan to deceive the world.

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"Jehovah is a manly person of war. Jehovah is his name." Exodus 15:3
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9/11 Truth Will Set U.S. Free

YES!

Now there's a million dollar bumper sticker idea...

I have that bumpersticker. You can get one too. [link to www.911sharethetruth.com]
 Quoting: Truther1 762080

Right on man.

But with the existential "They" having so far gotten away with it, and the main stream mudslide continuing it's blunderous path onward, what is to be done?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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I think we can sum it up with; Don't worry about it God will take care of everything. flower

Let go and Let God. I heard that in an AA meeting ... once.
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How about; Find what works.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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The strong delusion is that we don't have to keep the seventh day Sabbath, the day God established from the beginning even before there was a Jew. By breaking this 4th commandment, you are guilty of breaking all ten.


There is not one chapter or verse in the entire Bible which says God changed the day. The change was made out of man's false reasoning.

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The context of Paul's prophecy regarding the strong delusion has to go with the return of Christ. Indeed, according to Jesus' own remarks regarding his return the most prominent feature of the sign of Christ's presence is that there will be numerous false christs and false prophets and those saying here is the Christ and there is the Christ, and so forth. Everything is already pretty much in place for Satan to deceive the world.

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Perhaps some questions are better left undecided upon from a limited scope of reality.

Perhaps some are in the business of lying to us about it.
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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The strong delusion is that we don't have to keep the seventh day Sabbath, the day God established from the beginning even before there was a Jew. By breaking this 4th commandment, you are guilty of breaking all ten.


There is not one chapter or verse in the entire Bible which says God changed the day. The change was made out of man's false reasoning.

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Saturday right? Happy Days at Saturdays? WTH did that come from?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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"Because they did not receive a love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion that they should believe a lie!" 2Thess2:11

The Modern church is in turmoil. Corruption is rampant. Sound Doctrine has fallen to the ground. (2Tim4:1-5) Although they have full, free access to the Bible, the Very WORDS of God, they cannot agree on the basic fundamental issues of: Repentance, Faith, sin & Grace. Pastors stand in pulpits and tell people in one breath to 'obey God & live holy' and in the next, that they are not 'able' to obey. They insist that Grace is NOT license to sin, while at the same time they teach it's normal to for a real Christian to sin everyday! No wonder people are confused.

The average professing Christian who attends church on a regular basis is perplexed & frustrated, wholly ignorant of Bible truth, but convinced they will make it to heaven in the end because of Grace. Ask them to produce a single shred of evidence that their faith is genuine or that they understand the true nature of God's Redeeming Grace & be accused of 'judging' or preaching a 'works' salvation. Self examination is out of the question because it is by 'grace' we are saved through faith, not of works! (Eph2:8-9)

The real possibility of having the 'faith' of devils, as James2:19 states, "The devils believe and tremble!", has never occurred to them. They have heard that 'Faith without works is dead' (Js2:17) But they do not understand the true impact of this statement and how it applies to genuine saving faith. The reason James said that faith without deeds is dead is because your DEEDS are the ONLY evidence that salvation has taken place in your soul! That's why scripture points out that you will be judged ACCORDING to your deeds! Rom2:7-10, John6:29, 2Cor5:10

Faith is substance & evidence, Heb11:1, and it is EVIDENT by your Obedience to God that you have NOT believed in Vain! 1Cor15:2. Thus scripture states that true faith, 'Works by love, purifies the heart & has victory over the world' Gal5:6, 1Pet1:22, 1Jh5:4 You are not left in bondage to sin & satan, groping in darkness and lusting in your heart.

IF YOU ARE TRULY SAVED, you have been:

"Called out of darkness into His marvelous light!" 1Pet2:9

"Turned from darkness to light, from the power of satan to God!" Acts24:18

"Delivered from the power of darkness & translated into the kingdom of His love!" Col1:13

"Crucified with Christ & made dead to sin." Rom6:6-7

"Turned into a New Creation in Christ!" 2Cor13:5

"Escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust." 2Pet1:4

So please stop kidding yourselves about entering the Kingdom. If you are still in bondage to sin, lust or greed, you are NOT on the road to heaven. Your 'faith' has been hijacked by the false teachers. The deceiving spirits have spoken lies into your ears, you believed them and have forfeited your inheritance through the deceitfulness of sin. (Heb3:11-14) How could this possibly happen, you ask? False doctrine is the key.

False teaching through Spiritual doublespeak:

By the use of scriptural language and proper sounding terminology, the deceiving spirits have been able to deceive multitudes of preachers into teaching a 'doctrine' of demons! 1Tim4:1

The subtly of this deception is brilliant. Here's how it works:

1) They undermine the authority of God's Word by questioning the meaning.

For example on the issue of salvation by Grace not of works. They conclude that since 'grace' is a free gift from God, unmerited favor, man can do nothing to earn it, therefore he can do nothing to effect its outcome once he has received it! Called the doctrine of 'eternal security'. The problem with this deduction is that it precludes everything scripture has to say about enduing to the end, continuing in the faith, abiding in Christ & remaining steadfast in the faith.

But they have a rebuttal: 'Yes,' faith without deeds is dead, if a person is 'really' saved he will thereby continue, endure & remain. So we are saying the same thing! Here's where the real deception begins to set in. The Bible tells us plainly that we are to OBEY God, Strive to enter by the Narrow Gate, Keep ourselves in His Grace & endure to the end. (To name a few) (Rom6:16, Matt7:13-14, Luke13:24, Matt10:33, 1Jh5:18) It also teaches that God will Judge those who 'Obey not His Gospel' Rom2:7-10, 2Thess1:8

Again the demons will agree, YES we are commanded to obey the Gospel of Christ, which is to believe on Him who God sent! John3:16 (back to the faith of devils) But the Scriptures have much more to say about 'believing' on Christ which involves OBEDIENCE to His commands.

"For this is the love of God, that we Keep His commandments & His commandments are not burdensome." 1Jh5:3 This truth is stated throughout the Gospel of John and repeated by John numerous times. So you are NOT believing in God unless you are actively Obeying Him. That's what John meant when he said, "If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son!" 1Jh2:24 (abiding in Him means obeying Him!)

The Deception takes on many forms: 2Cor11:13-15

What this doublespeak has done is confuse the issue just enough to delude the human mind into a false sense of security. People can say they believe in Christ and that the Bible is true while at the same time they disobey His Commandments and sin everyday. Further examples:

2) Since no one is perfect, Grace must be God's way of accommodating man in his sin.

Christ said His Yoke is easy and burden light and He died for our sins, therefore the only way man can be happy & at peace with God at the same time, is by accepting the fact that he is forgiven by Grace and no longer has to worry about being perfect. (Rom10:9-10, 13) We confess with our mouth Jesus is Lord & believe in our heart God raised Him from the dead & we're saved! Anyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (sounds biblical enough)

But the end result is people who 'believe for a while' but having no 'root' they quickly fall back into satan's bondage, ensnared by the false notion they can be saved while continuing in sin. Luke8:13, Jh6:66, 8:30 It's the 'sensual' message spoken of in 2Pet2:1-3, they appeal to the flesh nature with great swelling words of emptiness! 2Pet2:18

This is why the Bible doesn't make sense to most professing Christians. They read the passages about holiness, obedience, self-denial and remaining steadfast to the end and can't understand how it applies to them! How could anyone be happy in Christ suffering, baring a cross, or giving up all their worldly possessions? (1Pet4:12-14, Luke14:26-33, Matt19:21)

Therefore the preachers MUST be right. These passages really mean, 'as long as I believe in Jesus and do my best I have nothing to worry about', "So I'll pursue my worldly lifestyle, enjoy my vain amusements and leave all that 'works' stuff to the fanatics." Thus the delusion is complete. The false doctrine become reality in the mind and the conscience is seared with the hot iron of self deception. 1Tim4:1-3 The person becomes a 'hearer' of the Word instead of a 'Doer' Js1:22 and he is deceived into believing himself secure when he is lost! Rev3:17

No wonder so few will Contend for the truth, why bother. It's all been done for us.

Speaking lies in hypocrisy

What makes this false doctrine so popular when it is so easily refuted by scripture? The answer is simple, people want the best of BOTH worlds! They want to indulge the flesh, enjoy the world and still make it to heaven when they die. OSAS is the perfect remedy. It permits carnal behavior, excuses it because of Grace and uses correct Biblical apologetics while doing it!

3) You can sin and NOT die! 2Cor11:3

The perfect deception. If you can convince the human mind that the purpose of Grace was merely to forgive their sins and cover their imperfections, you have unwittingly aligned yourself with satan. His original argument against God's truth in the Garden was exactly that! When the woman repeated God's warning of death for violating the Command not to eat of the tree, what did he say? "Thou shall surly not die! God knows when you eat you will become like Him, knowing good and evil." Gen3:4

In other words: YES Rom8:13 says, "If you live according to the flesh you will die." & Gal6:8, "For he who sows to the flesh will of the flesh reap corruption!" & Eph5:6 "Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of immoral behavior the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience!" BUT it couldn't mean I'll die & go to hell for doing these things. Could it?

The preachers say no. To protect the false doctrine of OSAS they invent something called, 'Carnal Christianity' again basing it loosely on scriptural passages out of 1Cor3:3, 5:5, 6:12 Under it professing Christians can commit random acts of immorality, drunkenness, lust, etc and NOT be considered 'practicing' the sins listed in 1Cor6:9-10, Eph5:5-7. By twisting scripture the false teachers 'imply' that a true child of God walks daily under the bondage of sin and at times these sins may become extremely grievous, but they will never enter into condemnation.

To varying degrees OSAS is taught in the vast majority of Churches around the world. Some teachers are more blatant than others, using grace as license for lawless behavior. Others will suggest that people who return to sins bondage were never saved to begin with. Irrespective of the extreme, BOTH views lead people into error. When a person believes that nothing they do can send them to hell under grace, the flood gates are open to every sort of deceiving spirit satan can conjure. The spiritual safeguards are removed and the shield lowered.

They Believed in Vain! 2Cor15:2

In order to protect the false doctrine of eternal security the OSAS preachers must go into doublespeak overtime. Everything is explained away & means the opposite of what it says!

1) Faith is not substance & evidence, but a vague acknowledgment of Christ, based on the assumption He died for your sins & offers Grace as a gift. YET in itself Faith is defined as a Firm persuasion, based upon a hearing, producing confidence in the truth. No wonder Jesus said that faith the size of a mustard seed can move mountains, Matt17:20, if it's real no sin can withstand it!

2) Grace is presented as a vast scheme of indulgences, as though God feels sorry for you and is willing to just sweep your sins under the rug if you believe. But in Scripture Grace is Power. Christ gave Himself to Redeem us from every lawless deed & Purity for Himself His own special people zealous for good works! Titus2:14 "Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions & desires!" Gal5:24 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus beforehand for good works!" Eph2:10 "For sin shall not have dominion over you! Rom6:14

3) Obedience is 'works'. Under OSAS any talk of obeying God is out of the question because it's all been done for you in Christ. In Scripture however, Obedience is the Cornerstone of the faith, which leads to purity of heart, 1Pet1:22, Steadfast endurance, Col1:23, Confidence in the faith, Heb3:14, Freedom from sin, Jh8:31-32, & Victory over the world, 1Jh5:4

4) Sin is inbred so no one can ever be free from its corrupting influence. Therefore since no one is perfect, we all sin everyday and God's Grace keeps us pure. But these are all lies from satan designed to put you back into bondage and led you into hell. Scripture says those born of God have Victory over sin, because Christ purchased the Victory for us! 1Jh3:8, 5:4 Also if we put on the Mind of Christ, we can CEASE from sin in the flesh, 1Pet4:1, And when we OBEY from the heart that form of doctrine to which we are delivered, we are set free from sin & made slaves to righteousness, having fruit to holiness, which ends in eternal life! Rom6:17-18, 22

2Pet1:4 says we have "exceeding great & precious promises that through these we can become Partakers of the Divine Nature having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust!"

Eph4:24 says, "If you put on the new man which was created according to God in righteousness and true holiness, you will be renewed in the spirit of your mind & escape lust."

Col2:12 says, "You were buried with Him in baptism & raised with Him through faith to walk in Newness of life!" Rom6:6

If all this means that a Christian has no choice but to sin everyday, then the Bible is fraudulent! But since it is the Truth of God's Word you have but one choice toward life, OBEY Him and live! Reject the false teachers & their ruinous doctrines, "Awake to Righteous & sin not, some of you do not have the knowledge of God, I speak this to your shame!" 1Cor15:34

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So, You are saying you do not sin? Paul says the things I do I do not want to do (goes on )do we have license to sin? God forbid.

Basically, We (Christians) are saved by grace (Soul)but, our bodies are corrupt and still has a sin nature, we are in spiritual warfare until the end of our lives or until Christ comes, we endure because Christ live within us. You make it sound like you can lose your salvation.
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The truth is that if you sin without repentance, you are removing yourself from God, deluding yourself that God will overlook the sin because of grace. This is a fool's paradise. You are basically saying you are your own god, therefore, indeed, you do lose your salvation.

This once saved, always saved is a FALSE GOSPEL and a STRONG DELUSION and the vast majority of churches are caught up in this false doctrine. No one should be attending any of these churches that teach this lie.


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The delusion is that the "aliens" created us. Many people already believe this. There are even bible thumpers that will say they are Angels.

Doom, he's referring to actual scripture.
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for the record....
greys are US with NO soul

yep... this is US with NO soul
think about that for a second...


yes greys are making more they make clones they make hybrids...

guess what there are even ones that walk among us!
you wouldn't know

but I hear... they hate humans... they just hate us...



now angels...

guess what they are HUMAN

if you were to see one... its NOT like in the bible with wings... they dont have wings

they are not transparent...

but they are BIG and some are small..

all different sizes..

guess what.. they are not happy with us either...

NONE OF US WILL LISTEN TO THEM!


they are here trying to reach out to us all

to tell you the TRUTH!


we all have been lied too over and over

look up old mythology the angels are in this too...

they have always been around...

you people have NO idea... how many times they have tried with us over and over....


still no one did the right things...
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The truth is that .... No one should be attending any of these churches....

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Not that I disagree with you just try paraphrasing for reference, the big blue field we've already read is a pain in the eyes.

Thanks hf
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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oh and churches stop going there to those places

thats where the story gets mixed up


seriously if you have the old testament bible...

there you go read for your self...
do you really need some guy at an alter or podium to read the bible for you??

NO
you can do this your self


there is only ONE GOD

ONE JESUS

and many many many angels....
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oh and churches stop going there to those places

thats where the story gets mixed up


seriously if you have the old testament bible...

there you go read for your self...
do you really need some guy at an alter or podium to read the bible for you??

NO
you can do this your self


there is only ONE GOD

ONE JESUS

and many many many angels....
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Question; Did his mother call him Jesus?
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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Lynn Marzulli : Fallen Ones, Aliens, Familiar Spirits, and The Bible - 59:06

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Question; Did his mother call him Jesus?
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you know what thats a good question
but I can not answer this for you

I do not know the answer

if I did I would tell you

im still learning right now...

all about them...

here is something I have learned...

pay good attention the the past and future crop circles..

now some are man made you know kids messing around..

some are planted by not very nice people

and some are made by the greys too I believe..

but some are made BY THE ANGELS

only they can read them im still learning about those too

here is one that is REAL


incase you are interested..

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The truth is that if you sin without repentance, you are removing yourself from God, deluding yourself that God will overlook the sin because of grace. This is a fool's paradise. You are basically saying you are your own god, therefore, indeed, you do lose your salvation.

This once saved, always saved is a FALSE GOSPEL and a STRONG DELUSION and the vast majority of churches are caught up in this false doctrine. No one should be attending any of these churches that teach this lie.


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Wesleyan?
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you know what thats a good question
but I can not answer this for you

I do not know the answer

if I did I would tell you

im still learning right now...

all about them...

here is something I have learned...

pay good attention the the past and future crop circles..

now some are man made you know kids messing around..

some are planted by not very nice people

and some are made by the greys too I believe..

but some are made BY THE ANGELS

only they can read them im still learning about those too

here is one that is REAL


incase you are interested..


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Last Edited by Apotheosis Rex Khristos on 09/03/2009 03:17 AM
"And though I believe in the ineffable glory of God, and though I might have experienced the undeniable reality of the Deity, and though I may know the secrets of the ages, these do not fulfill the Love in my heart. But to Change and Be and Do and dissolve both the subject of my person and the object of my God into the fluency of Empirical Providence. The Way, the Truth, and the Life."
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when I posted WrecksDeus I knew I would get that reaction from you.

but thats OK...

there are others who know...

btw you should all start learning more about the STARS

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TO WrecksDeus

after I had posted here I went to sleep thought more about your question...
and well im here to finish what I started..
ok the name... is it really that important to you?
out of all the questions you could have asked that was your most important one?
so I retract my reply 'this was a good question asking what Jesus mother called him'
cause angles names are Sacred..

dah! I should have known this when you asked...

angels do not SPEAK btw.... if they spoke they could move mountains..

here is another thing
mankind only knows one name... its Jesus..
but the Jesus you are referring too is the Jesus from way back the only one YOU know of...

remember the man *we* *mankind* put on the cross?

we ... us... mankind.. put him on that cross and KILLED HIM
you think this is a good thing?

PLEASE READ both links posted

here read up----> [link to en.wikipedia.org]

then I want you to read this---> [link to en.wikipedia.org]

ok now sit back and THINK....

ok now...
guess what Jesus is BACK!
not the same.. as long ago......... and hes pissed!

here is a random search on crop circles.. cause I know what it looks like
proof Jesus is back ----> [link to www.greatdreams.com]

thats the crop circle showing he is here!
but there is more about that crop circle... there is 3
like the old saying everything is in 3's
remember that

Crucifixion of Jesus 3 died.
when Jesus was born 3 wise men
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*cough*
sorry for the typos..

angels names are Sacred..

our symbol is

trinity or triangle


the divines symbol

yin yang

google those images..
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God sends Satan who decieves - what stronger delusion is there than Satan?

Revelation 20:10
The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Satan organizes his deception gang:

Revelation 19:20
Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.

And through them, the false signs and wonders convince much if not most of the world that they are god(s).

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I would say about 98% of those that are regulars on this site are well conditioned to recieve the AC, some, by different names, are begging for his arrival and looking forward to it.

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