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Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants
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Eyes Wide Open 
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antaun
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9/4/2009 3:25 AM
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Now THAT'S what I call informative. |
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Eyes Wide Open
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coolhandluke74
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9/4/2009 3:51 AM
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Very nice find!!!
Everything is for a season... |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/4/2009 3:53 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
It's hardly a "lost" book. I've got it right here. |
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Eyes Wide Open
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Anonymous Coward
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9/4/2009 6:16 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Remember though....
There are GOOD watchers....and there are EVIL watchers....
One must discern the two when probing into this and only a FEW will understand... |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/4/2009 6:36 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Remember though....
There are GOOD watchers....and there are EVIL watchers....
One must discern the two when probing into this and only a FEW will understand... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 748518
fuck you demon, they are not good watchers, they are angels all watchers are evil |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/4/2009 6:51 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Remember though....
There are GOOD watchers....and there are EVIL watchers....
One must discern the two when probing into this and only a FEW will understand...
fuck you demon, they are not good watchers, they are angels all watchers are evil Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762877
That is not true... there are good watchers and those watchers who "fell" or sinned.
However, it is irrelevant to worry about the good Watchers or the evil Watchers... being a Watcher is essentially the job given by God to certain Angels; their job was to watch over mankind. At one point, many of these watchers sinned by taking human women as wives and produced offspring known as the Nephilim.
The Nephilim are the real historical figures that the Greek and Roman mythology is based on (Hercules was a Nephilim).
So no, not all watchers are evil; there are many holy and good watchers who watch over us now. true, the angels who sinned were watchers, but that was the assignment (or job) and is not important to the message and lesson. |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/4/2009 7:02 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Why is it apocryfic, i.e. not suitable for the masses? Why the ordinary "commons" are not intended to read it? I did not find anything contagious in it. |
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Eyes Wide Open
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Eyes Wide Open
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Anonymous Coward
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9/5/2009 6:57 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Remember though....
There are GOOD watchers....and there are EVIL watchers....
One must discern the two when probing into this and only a FEW will understand...
fuck you demon, they are not good watchers, they are angels all watchers are evil Quoting: Anonymous Coward 762877
How DARE you say this to me and call ME a DEMON?!?!???
The words from YOUR mouth show who is truly the DEMON here!
For NO-ONE with the spirit of TRUTH and love would DARE utter such nasty words to another.
May the peace of the Living God fall upon you.
You are in a miserable point in your life right now.
But you still have time to get over this and repent through the blood.
May the GOOD watchers watch over you and may the EVIL watchers exit your fleshly surroundings.
Deo vindicci. |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/5/2009 8:02 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
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9/5/2009 4:20 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Why is it apocryfic, i.e. not suitable for the masses? Why the ordinary "commons" are not intended to read it? I did not find anything contagious in it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 755282
Lotus should know. Lotus, please, where are you? |
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urantian
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9/5/2009 4:39 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
The Book of Enoch, written during the second century B.C.E., is one of the most important non-canonical apocryphal works, and probably had a huge influence on early Christian, particularly Gnostic, beliefs. Filled with hallucinatory visions of heaven and hell, angels and devils, Enoch introduced concepts such as fallen angels, the appearance of a Messiah, Resurrection, a Final Judgement, and a Heavenly Kingdom on Earth. Interspersed with this material are quasi-scientific digressions on calendrical systems, geography, cosmology, astronomy, and meteorology.
This etext has been prepared specially for sacred-texts, and is a great improvement over other versions on the Internet, with the introduction, correct verse numbering, page numbers from the 1917 edition, and intact critical apparatus.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]
[link to reluctant-messenger.com] |
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Eyes Wide Open
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Eyes Wide Open
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2009 7:54 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Assholewideopen is a brain damaged delusional twit. |
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Eyes Wide Open
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2009 8:23 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
what a lot of  |
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Eyes Wide Open
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2009 8:33 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
It wasn't lost but thrown in the trash. It is not scripture. |
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Eyes Wide Open
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9/6/2009 9:00 PM
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It wasn't lost but thrown in the trash. It is not scripture. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 756919
I haven't seen anything in it that goes against the Scriptures but it does seem to clarify a lot about the nephilim/giants and fallen angels that are mentioned throughout the Bible.
The Sheeple Pit..... Don't Fall In......:)
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2009 11:18 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
You probably believe in Mary K Baxter and her divine revelations too |
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Eyes Wide Open
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9/6/2009 11:25 PM
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You probably believe in Mary K Baxter and her divine revelations too 
What I do believe is that you can't argue the facts posted so you resort to your mindless drivel.
The Sheeple Pit..... Don't Fall In......:)
Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein
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"For what are fifty, what a thousand slaves, match'd to the sinew of a single arm that
strikes for Liberty?"
A Nation Of Sheep Soon Begets A Government Of Wolves
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Anonymous Coward
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9/6/2009 11:31 PM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Actually I'm not arguing the facts, totally know about and believe what the Bible says about Enoch, I believe there were nephilim or giants, fallen angels breeding with human women. My point is if you did research, you have to be careful with the books of Enoch that are around, there is more than one out there. It is not scripture, that is what you have to bear in mind. People that just accept a version of Enoch as fact, are more than likely to believe in the Baxter Revelation of hell, because people like that usually believe anything. That also happens to be false, I hope you know |
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Eyes Wide Open
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9/6/2009 11:34 PM
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Actually I'm not arguing the facts, totally know about and believe what the Bible says about Enoch, I believe there were nephilim or giants, fallen angels breeding with human women. My point is if you did research, you have to be careful with the books of Enoch that are around, there is more than one out there. It is not scripture, that is what you have to bear in mind. People that just accept a version of Enoch as fact, are more than likely to believe in the Baxter Revelation of hell, because people like that usually believe anything. That also happens to be false, I hope you know Quoting: Anonymous Coward 637710
I'm learning about all this so if you have information that's worth knowing please share it. I never claimed to be an expert on the subject but I have been interested for a long time and have sought to know more.
The Sheeple Pit..... Don't Fall In......:)
Great Spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. Albert Einstein
[link to www.thecrowhouse.com]
[link to upload.wikimedia.org]
[link to eyeswideopen111.stumbleupon.com]
"For what are fifty, what a thousand slaves, match'd to the sinew of a single arm that
strikes for Liberty?"
A Nation Of Sheep Soon Begets A Government Of Wolves
[link to i111.photobucket.com] |
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Ossiel
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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2009 1:08 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Actually I'm not arguing the facts, totally know about and believe what the Bible says about Enoch, I believe there were nephilim or giants, fallen angels breeding with human women. My point is if you did research, you have to be careful with the books of Enoch that are around, there is more than one out there. It is not scripture, that is what you have to bear in mind. People that just accept a version of Enoch as fact, are more than likely to believe in the Baxter Revelation of hell, because people like that usually believe anything. That also happens to be false, I hope you know
I'm learning about all this so if you have information that's worth knowing please share it. I never claimed to be an expert on the subject but I have been interested for a long time and have sought to know more. Quoting: Eyes Wide Open
Don't listen to that guy, that guy is lost. There are over two hundred lies in the Bible with I don't know how many differing bibles and this guy thinks its scripture.
EWO there are three translators of the same Book.
George H. Schodde
And that angel came to me and greeted me with his voice and said to me: "Thou art a son of man who was born to justice, and justice dwells over thee, and the justice of the Head of days will not depart from thee."
Richard Laurence
Then that angel came to me, and with his voice saluted me, saying, You are the Son of man, who art born for righteousness, and righteousness has rested upon you. 70:18 The righteousness of the Ancient of days shall not forsake you.
Robert Henry Charles
And he (i.e. the angel) came to me and greeted me with His voice, and said unto me ' This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness, And righteousness abides over him, And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes him not.'
Three translations, same meaning, same book.
The Book of GOD
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Anonymous Coward
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9/7/2009 9:50 AM | | Re: Lost Book of Enoch "Watchers" and Giants | Quote |
Actually I'm not arguing the facts, totally know about and believe what the Bible says about Enoch, I believe there were nephilim or giants, fallen angels breeding with human women. My point is if you did research, you have to be careful with the books of Enoch that are around, there is more than one out there. It is not scripture, that is what you have to bear in mind. People that just accept a version of Enoch as fact, are more than likely to believe in the Baxter Revelation of hell, because people like that usually believe anything. That also happens to be false, I hope you know
I'm learning about all this so if you have information that's worth knowing please share it. I never claimed to be an expert on the subject but I have been interested for a long time and have sought to know more. Quoting: Eyes Wide Open
Thanks for answering me back without sarcasm. Makes me want to talk to you. For starters the book of Enoch makes some ridiculous claims such as 475 foot giants. As I said before, I believe there were nephilim before the flood, but this 475 foot thing is absurd.
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of the giants. Indeed his bedstead was an iron bedstead. (Is it not in Rabbah of the people of Ammon?) Nine cubits is its length and four cubits its width, according to the standard cubit. (Deut. 3:11) Those measurements translate to more than thirteen feet long and six feet wide.
So assuming Og measured in height somewhere around his bed length, he may have been around 12 feet tall. Isn't that a lot more believable than 475 foot giants as in the book of Enoch?
There are many, many more inconsistencies. I do not believe the Enoch of the Bible, who so pleased God that God took him, would write anything that contradicted God. Just because Jude quotes from the book of Enoch does not make it scripture or totally true. I believe there may be some truth in it, but it does not measure up to scripture. Don't forget the Bible does record the words of false prophets.
Paul for example used a quote:
Even one of their own prophets has said, "Cretans are always liars, evil brutes,
lazy gluttons" (Titus 1:12). |
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