JESUS WARNS YOU -- "There shall come forth another doctrine, and a confusion, woe unto them that falsify this my word!"

New link -- easier on the eyes.
[link to wesley.nnu.edu]

So what organisation is responsible for giving us these "lost" books to read?

A straight answer sometime this century would be good...

Fate. Many of these copies were found as recent as in the 1900's, the original conspirators of this Deception were long dead, and no-one, no-one, no Fallen angel walking today with their genetic engineered Nephilim offspring could have imagined someone would be able to sift through the web of lies without getting tangled up in their Deception. THANKS BE TO GOD

Are you sure about that? I mean, each to their own with the nephilim stuff, but as far as i know alot of these books were "released" by the vatican.

the original conspirators of the New Testament Deception

"The Nag Hammadi Library, a collection of thirteen ancient codices containing over fifty texts, was discovered in upper Egypt in 1945."
[link to www.gnosis.org]

I've read most of them. It sure is good for a challenge, really exercising your discernment to know what's real and what isn't. The bible doesn't say anything about not reading other books, but in no way was anything taken out. But they are still an interesting read.

You have been misled, and in being misled you are misleading others. You are reading a FALSE doctrine concerning JESUS (new testament of deception), if JESUS is really who you worship. Fortunately you ran into me.


"It is called the Council of Laodicea. It changed history two significant ways. At this council they determined what would and would not be considered canon. They decided what would and would not be included in the Bible or read at church."
[link to reluctant-messenger.com]


"The Missing Parts of the King James Bible"
[link to www.thelostbooks.com]

I'm not mislead or misleading dear, you are entering tricky territory by making such judgements. God has a plan for each of us so by questioning another's faith and making judgements, you are questioning God: not such a good idea eh? Believe what you believe and let others do the same.

Read the OP, its not me judging you on the doctrine that JESUS says is false (New Testament), its JESUS!


You should live by those words, I believe in Free-Will.

Anyone who can read can see what just happened here so i'm leaving this thread because i don't engage with people who twist my words to fit their agenda. Talk amongst yourselves...

I read the posted link, The Epistles of the Apostles.

From reading your posts on this thread, my understanding is that what you're saying is that the New Testament is "another doctrine and a confusion."

There is much in there that is the same as what is stated in the NT.

On the other hand, there are a few things that don't sit quite right with me.

One of Satan's biggest and best ways of deceiving people is to take a portion of God's truth and mix in a bit of lies and deceptions.

The biggest and the most important, in my thinking anyways, is the fact that the blood of Jesus shed at Calvary on our behalf, which is the very foundation of our new life in Christ appears to be minimized.

The emphasis is all on works.

It is stated in God's Word that "faith without works is dead," but works without Jesus and Calvary as the basis of those works does not inherit eternal life.

If anything, it is The Epistles of the Apostles itself, that is "another doctrine and a confusion."

If you are aware of what is being preached from the pulpits within many so-called "christian" churches today, you will know that the salvation message is being done away with.

It appears they go hand in hand.

Last Edited by Wondering on 09/05/2009 04:10 AM

This is the real JESUS

[link to wesley.nnu.edu]

So what if Jesus is a Lord. What does that mean anyway? Why should I be impressed by that? I don't get it.

Did you ever maybe think that the false doctrine was the one put together by the early church Councils (Laodicea, Nicea) that brought forth the false doctrine in order to try and control the common people? Need I say more?

How else was The Devil gonna fool you?

If The Devil changed the whole story and made JESUS a woman and called her Emanuel the Christians who survived the persecution could never buy the PAGAN version of Deception. The Devil had to use most of the original story and only perverting key points ensuring that it becomes SATANIC by that perversion, like The Devil did with the Jewish faith worshipping to a Fallen comrade AZAZEL. (Yom Kippur)


The Kingdom of SATAN is divided under the same roof, therefore, all religions that are under that same roof (U.N.) are of that Kingdom.

Now, is this PAGAN cult (Roman Christendom) under that roof/kingdom?

There is a conspiracy in the name of JESUS.


BINGO -- This blood was shed by all PAGAN god-cults from Horus to Krishna to Tammuz etc etc. This is a tried and tested formula that worked wonders in the past and these Roman PAGANS did the same by attributing this to JESUS, they then added a little sorcery of their own by defiled GOD by having Him commit the same crimes the angels of Genesis did and making JESUS a BASTARD, and they didn't stop here, they had JESUS become the LAWLESS ONE by doing away with the laws of GOD given to Moses (Ephesians).


AND YOUS ALL SUPPORT THIS ?


--- "Krishna"
[link to www.religioustolerance.org]

--- "Dionysus"
[link to www.relijournal.com]

--- "Osiris"
[link to www.egyptorigins.org]

--- "Buddha"
[link to www.near-death.com]

--- "Mithra"
[link to www.near-death.com]

--- "Attis"
[link to www.usislam.org]

--- "Horus"
[link to paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com]

--- "Tammuz"
[link to www.kingdavid8.com]

--- "Orpheus"
[link to www.bede.org.uk]


So you don't believe in JESUS.

So you don't believe in the Apostles written words.

JESUS was right that you would become confused thinking that the one who is warning you is the FALSE one and therewith these warning words should have been written in the New Testament if what you say should have any logical sense and reasoning, but alas, confusion never carries these qualities.

Absolutely right! That is when they edited the Truth out of the Christian Bible and replaced it with their PAGAN lies.

Did Jesus sin?

Before we answer that question, let's take a look at a few things:

Did Paul sin?

Sure he did… right?

The bible plainly states that ALL men have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God!

But, wait a minute... did Paul sin? If we believe that he did, then I guess we'll have to throw out Romans 7:20,

"IT IS NOT I THAT SIN, BUT SIN THAT DWELLS IN ME."

Paul knew that God would not credit him as having sin, EVEN THOUGH SIN WAS IN HIM [in his flesh]! Folks, God does not look at people as sinners; but rather, He sees the sin within them as the problem!

Would you look at a person who had cancer, and blame them for the tumor that was growing inside of them?

NO… YOU SURE WOULDN'T!

PEOPLE; WE HAVE GOT TO START LOOKING AT THINGS FRACTIONALLY! Jesus said,

"Why do you call Me good? There is NONE good, except God Himself."

I still have not heard any answers as to the meaning of this scripture [in the traditional view of things]. I guess we will have to chunk that one, too?! Now take a look at Romans 8:3,

"God sent His own son, IN THE LIKENESS OF SINFUL FLESH, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh."

Here is the amplified:

"[By] sending His own Son IN THE GUISE OF SINFUL FLESH, and as an offering for sin, [God] condemned sin in the flesh [subdued, overcame, and deprived it of its power over all who receive that sacrifice]."

Notice what God condemns in that verse?

God condemns the sin IN a person... NOT THE PERSON THEMSELVES!

The surgeon does not destroy the patient because he manifests the symptoms of a tumor, but rather, HE CONDEMNS THE TUMOR AND REMOVES IT! Afterward, he sees the patient as spotless and without fault. When God put Jesus on the cross, [and He did], He crucified [like a surgeon] the one that Jesus had said was, "NOT GOOD" [the fractional, corruptible, perishable part of Himself - the carnal nature of sin, which was always present in His flesh].

In the same way, when we have been made totally complete in Christ Jesus, and the times will have reached their fulfillment [matured], then God will look at each one of us [in the same way He did Jesus], and say,

"Here is the spotless Lamb of God, without spot or blemish of any kind."

But until that day comes [and I hope it comes speedily] we will just have to trust the Lord, and be content in knowing this fact: That God will [temporarily] see the things that are evil in us, as if they were NOT present in us, until we have each been fully washed, and made clean by the water of His Word, and the fire baptism of His Spirit! You see; that is the only way that the scripture can truly be fulfilled, which says,

"He [God] predestined us to be HOLY AND BLAMELESS BEFORE HIM IN LOVE."

Gosh, is that us sinners he's talking about? LOL!

Yes sir… God sees things that are not [our flesh nature] as though they already are [our new nature]. Psalm 32 says,

"Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. Blessed is the man unto whom the Lord imputes not iniquity, and in whose SPIRIT there is no guile."

Notice here that it does not say,

"…in whose FLESH there is no guile."

God does not reckon the lawless acts of the flesh to the Spirit man! No… the Lord looks at each one of us fractionally - as two separate beings! To Him [the Spirit of Christ in us] Who does good unto others, and loves His neighbour as Himself; God blesses Him abundantly; but to him [our carnal flesh] who does selfishness, ---- well, God's wrath is coming upon those children of disobedience! It is written,

"I give to each man according to his works", says the Lord. "But to him that shrinks back [our Adamic nature, shrinking in the flames], I'll have no pleasure in him!"

Now, we [the divine part of each one of us that has always been with God] are not of them who draw back to destruction [this is our temporal carnal side]; but of them [our eternal side] that believe to the saving of the soul.

What I just stated frees all of the people in this world!

God's idea of "sinners" and "saints" is completely CONTRARY to our idea of them! Man's view condemns men; God's view doesn't! And yet; God still condemns the wicked by consuming the evil part in each one of us with fire… keeping His Word - as usual! [See my article entitled: "Potter"]. To put it more simply: Man condemns the sinful man; whereas; God condemns the sin IN man!
This is answers for Pentecost


That brings us back to our original subject: Did Jesus sin?

I know that He did!

But whether Jesus did or did not sin is irrelevant; seeing that God would never hold His trespasses against Him! You see, GOD DID NOT DETERMINE WHETHER JESUS WAS RIGHTEOUS OR UNRIGHTEOUS BY ANY ACTS OF GOOD OR EVIL THAT HE, [Jesus], DID, OR DID NOT DO; BUT ON THE CONTRARY, GOD ESTABLISHED HIS OWN RIGHTEOUSNESS TOWARD JESUS - BY LIVING IN HIM!!!

That is the greatest thought that I have ever had! THANK YOU, LORD!

Abraham, [God's chosen], received from God the promise of Isaac [the Christ seed], even though Sarai, his wife [the carnal mind], was barren and not capable of producing life [towards God]! After all, the two of them were as good as dead!

Of course, you know what happened next~

Abraham, [Gods' elect], misunderstood this grace principle [as men always do], and began producing offspring [self-righteousness] through Hagar [her name means: "he will ensnare"]. So, the act of Abraham trying to produce God's promised Heir through Hagar, is a perfect allegorical picture of how man thinks that he can gain God's approval, and blessing, by doing "good works"… in accordance with the law of Moses. This mindset in man does not depend on God's divine strength, nor does it rely on the power of His wondrous "works", but rather, on one's own human strength, will, and self-righteous ferver. Unfortunately, as the name "Hagar" illustrates: THIS THINKING IS A SNARE [a trap, and a stumbling block]!

BUT… it is written,

"It is through Isaac [Christ Seed] that your seed [sons] will be reckoned [made righteous]!"

Likewise, since Jesus suffered the agony of this horrible carnal nature, He is able to comfort those who are plagued with the same carnal nature [at the present time].

After all: How can you be a compassionate High Priest over others, unless you yourself are compassed with the same kinds of infirmities that they are? Now do you see why it is so important for us to know that Jesus endured the ravages of sin and, "learned obedience through the things he suffered?"

You have to be in a state of disobedience in order to become obedient through suffering, otherwise you would not need to suffer! From the moment that God announced, "This is my beloved son, THIS DAY I have begotten him"; every act of disobedience that Jesus had ever committed was completely forgotten by the Father! It was as if he had never sinned at all [in the Fathers' sight that is; but not in man's]. Take notice here that Jesus was not "begotten" until He was thirty years old! Remember what the scriptures say? Look at 1 John 5:18.

"He that is born of God does not sin; but he that is begotten of God keeps himself, and that wicked one touches him not."

Now Jesus was not begotten of the Father until he was thirty years old. Remember?

"This is my beloved son: THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN HIM."

That means from the time he was born [in the natural], until his thirtieth birthday: HE HAD SIN! That is why they railed against him saying,

"How can you, a mere man claim to be God's Son? You bear witness of yourself; therefore, your witness is not true. Is this not the carpenter's son?"

They had known him all his life, and watched him suffer through his infirmities [sin], but, Jesus knew that a man's moral condition did not determine his right standing before God, but rather, it was God who determined it, by PLACING MAN IN RIGHT STANDING WITH HIMSELF!

Remember Saul on the road to Damascus? Look at Romans 3.

"Will our lack of faith make God's faith of no effect? God forbid! No! Let God [Spirit] be true, and every man [carnal] a liar!"

When your child comes in from the playground, covered in mud [sin], and messes up your floor: Do you hold this against him? No! YOU BATHE HIM! No parent washes the baby down with the bath water! After he is clean, you forget about the dirt [sin] that covered him from head to toe! Now we can finally understand the meaning of the scripture that says,

"All unrighteousness is sin; AND THERE IS A SIN NOT UNTO DEATH!"

Even though Jesus had sinned during his younger days on earth; in the end, God presented him to his people and declared,

"THIS IS MY BELOVED SON, IN WHOM I AM WELL PLEASED: HEAR HIM!"

Sure makes me have MORE hope in this present body, knowing that he experienced the EXACT same crap that I am experiencing now! Jesus was our forerunner, our pattern! It is written,

"He was made like unto his brothers in EVERY WAY..."

I know now that my sins will not disqualify me from receiving the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus! I love him more now than I ever did, because I can approach the Father without fear of punishment [just as he did]! As it is written,

"I WILL be their God, and they WILL be my people; and their sins and iniquities I'll remember no more!"

Unconditional love; ain't God grand!
Yes, he really does rule the world with truth and grace in sovereignty! I can guarantee you one thing, that when all is said and done; GOD WILL GET THE GLORY OF REIGNING AS THE SUPREME KING OVER ALL THE PRINCIPALITIES AND POWERS IN THE UNIVERSE, WHETHER THEY BE GOOD, OR WHETHER THEY BE EVIL! SO BE IT! TRUTH!!!!!! May the frailty our saviour endured give you hope, and cause you to have pity on your fellowman! The love of the Lord Jesus be with your beautiful Spirit!

A footnote: I don't have an historical Jesus anymore [no longer know him as anyone other than the girl next door or the guy working at the local convenience store]. I do know that he sinned, but I will RESPECT your traditional belief that he didn't. To each his own! All people ARE Christians now!! CHRIST IS THE HEAD OF EVERY MAN!!! Any one that says that JESUS IS NOT COME IN ALL FLESH IS NOT OF GOD!!! [I am not talking about individuals here; but the fractional part of every single one of us who will not listen, believe, or adhere to sound truth]. The only reason that anyone [nature] would have trouble with this; would be because of their religious upbringing. It is self-righteousness to think that people have the ability to approach God by their own power! No man comes to the Father unless the SPIRIT OF GOD DRAWS HIM!! "So", says the Lord, "Remember this before you ask to sit at my right or left hand, because this honour is not mine to give, but the Father [my elected one] has predetermined who will sit in those places beforehand. Again, I am not talking about individuals here; there are two beings in every one of you, who sit at my right and my left. Oh, and by the way, those of you who need to use the sword for stabbing others: there is plenty of meat on this old carcass to go around! Tear off all the flesh you need!!

PART 2

I got several dissenting remarks concerning the first part of this teaching, so I will try to explain it again. I cannot express the importance of understanding this truth. I am not trying to belittle or disgrace the Lord Jesus with this article; but in actuality, I am trying to encourage you with the knowledge that Jesus endured the exact same sufferings and tribulations that you are suffering. Knowing this gives us hope in the fact that if our pattern "made it through a sinful nature", then so can we! Now, minds open everyone! O.K., before we put this on the back burner, let me come from another direction on this one. It is O.K. for us to discuss these "touchy" topics and still have differences. The Father loves us and wants us to discuss these things! That is how we learn! First of all, before I get started, I want to say that I see Jesus as the Spotless Lamb of God. [Actually I have never stated that he wasn't]. I cannot seem to communicate my point of view over this keyboard, adequately, but let me try one more time. Jesus said,

"No rich man can enter the kingdom of heaven!"

Now this freaked the apostles out! They reasoned among themselves as to how all men would be saved, and yet no rich man would be. This is the same dilemma we are in! I am saying that Jesus had sin, and yet was the spotless son of God. You are not seeing or perceiving how these could both be correct? Let me show you. They [the disciples] saw rich men as human individuals; Jesus did not! His definition of a "rich man" was far different then theirs: His was internal! He saw the carnal nature "in man" as the rich man. It is the same with sin. God does not see human individuals as sinners, but rather a part within every individual as a "sinner!" He, therefore, does not hold a soul responsible for the sin that dwells within him! That is how God saw Jesus, and it is also how he sees us! Paul said,

"It is not I that sin [notice he did not take responsibility for his sin] but sin that dwells in me!"

This interpretation is the only one that can explain why Jesus said,

"WHY DO YOU CALL ME GOOD?"

If Jesus were without fault, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN GOOD! But, fortunately, [for our sakes], God does not reckon the actions of carnal man [caterpillar] as the actions of the Spirit man [butterfly]. God sees things that are not without sin as though they already were without sin! If we cannot see this principle, it will not be possible to move forward in the Father. Please don't take my word; approach the Father and ask him if what I am saying is true; then make your determination.

How the Jesus Myth was created

[link to home.iae.nl]

And what the original teachings were about.

Understanding the Concept of Salvation
Many Believe Jesus was the Only Christed One

This Awareness indicates that the one difficulty or problem that occurs in regard to the fundamentalist approach to the salvation principle, is that they see this as coming from a particular person, in the person of Jesus, and do not recognize that it can also come from others who channel the Christ Light. They do not understand that the "Word which was in the beginning, and was God, and was with God, and that all things that were created were from the Word of God"--they do not understand that this Word is the Christ Consciousness, and that the Christ Consciousness is the Universal vibration or consciousness that is Universal Mind, and that is everywhere present, and they instead personify this as the entity Jesus the Christed one, and that there were others that were also Christed, or Christened, by this Divine Light, and that these entities in becoming one with the Divine Light, have the ability to channel and pass on this Light to others, and can become master teachers.

This Awareness indicates that when they do not recognize or understand that it is not the man Jesus, but the Christ that worked through Jesus, which created the salvation, and when they demand that everyone must follow and worship the man Jesus, rather that the Christ Light, they are missing the mark and narrowing the truth into that which is incomprehensible to many and erroneous in fact, and which cast aside the entire religions and the experience of salvation that others in other philosophies or religions may have, as they experience God attunement, or God Consciousness.

Too Narrow a Perception is the Error of the Fundamentalists

This Awareness indicates that the error of the fundamentalists is that they are too narrow in their perception and are taking a view much like that of a salesman who sees only one headache remedy in the world, and does not consider or recognize that other headache remedies might exist.

The Time Has Now Come When "Jesus" Must be Understood!

This Awareness indicates that the time has come when Christians around the world begin to focus on Christ for what it is, as the Christ Light, the Universal Vibration, the Universal Consciousness, the Word of God, that vibration that exists everywhere throughout the universe as the mind, the frequency of Universal Consciousness, and realize that Jesus was one who was Christed, that there were others who were Christed, or christened with this Divine Light. For when entities fully understand this then indeed the Rapture, the coming again of the Christ Light the Second Coming will occur, one with the Divine Light of Christ. This Awareness indicates that it is possible for entities to surrender themselves to the name of Jesus, and seeing this entity as the Christ, to be Christed or Christened, to have this experience of the salivation.

Divine Light is Available to ALL Religions

This Awareness wishes entities to understand it is not an exclusive right of fundamentalists. It is not only for those who go to the Baptist church, or to other Protestant churches. It is something that is available to all entities, in all religions, whether eastern or western. It is available to the Hindu, to the Moslem, to the Jew, to the Christian, to all types of Christians, to the Catholic. It is available to the American Indians, in their quest of the Great Spirit. It is available to all entities who are open to receive union with the Divine Light of Buddha, to the Divine Light of any teacher who represents, by any name, that Universal Vibration, that frequency, which is highest and unpolarized in its essence and expression. For that indeed is the Word of God. It is the Universal Mind. It is Cosmic Consciousness. It is Divinity Itself.

This Awareness indicates that understanding this, it is not the right of any group to condemn others for having different names, different languages, to describe the same essence. For those of other cultures, for those of other religions, for those of other realms, who also relate to, depend on and merge with the Divine Light, these entities, too, must respect as having their own and equal place in the worship of God. And to condemn them because they do not use the same words, or carry the same story is an affront to consciousness, and demeans those who thus condemn.

[link to home.iae.nl]

OP (LOVE?) posts one thread after the other of the same BS, all of your questions and asertations have been answered in your other threads.

Blood was shed by all PAGAN god-cults from Horus to Krishna to Tammuz etc etc. ITS THE MIND TRAP

--- "Krishna"
[link to www.religioustolerance.org]

--- "Dionysus"
[link to www.relijournal.com]

--- "Osiris"
[link to www.egyptorigins.org]

--- "Buddha"
[link to www.near-death.com]

--- "Mithra"
[link to www.near-death.com]

--- "Attis"
[link to www.usislam.org]

--- "Horus"
[link to paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com]

--- "Tammuz"
[link to www.kingdavid8.com]

--- "Orpheus"
[link to www.bede.org.uk]


Original subject?

This thread is about the faith you just quoted from being a false doctrine of confusion and uncleanness corruption according to JESUS, and I for one agree.

It's time to let Pentecost go...Tabernacles is here!

As to why I felt compelled to make this thread.

The real JESUS says you've been deceived by a false doctrine of confusion and uncleanness corruption, I agree.




The Kingdom of SATAN is of this world. All worldly religions are a division among the citizens of the World united under the same roof (United Nations).

You must worship the True GOD as did JESUS and Enoch.

You pretend to be BIGGER then JESUS, obviously you are DELUSIONAL.

Mere assertions do not ascertain anything other then disclose the fact there is no support for your declaration making it a false doctrine of confusion and uncleanness corruption JESUS warned you about.

I suggest you address this falsehood immediately.

Well not yet really, soon though.

[link to eden.7forum.net]

The human body is the housing unit for the soul. When the soul dies so then does the body follow. There are the soulless among us, who have no more feelings (souls) towards humanity and have become impious and are only a carcass walking about until that last spark of electricity fires in their bodies.

It is the soul that you once possessed entirely as a child that made you feel sad when you did wrong, that made you cry on your pillow at night when you called a classmate names, it is the soul that allows you to feel remorse.

The soul is a spirit, energy (order). Energy is never lost it is simply converted into another form, in this case, that other form is corruption (dis-order), only corruption wasn't meant to live within the body (Temple of GOD). When the body dies that corruption is released and there is a place the LORD has reserved for it, amen.

You believe with 100% certainty that this was written by the apostles...why? Because it says that?

But you don't believe: "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:"

Again, you choose to believe in the schemes and deceptions of Satan.