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B-2 Spirit antigravity device. NOT A JET.

 
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The jet engines are flame jet ion generators...they ARE NOT FOR FLIGHT in the sense of a jet engine and newtons law of motion, rather they are charge generators. TT Brown patented the ion flame jet generator. So in reality the B2 is a TT Brown device. It is the charged capacitor, you mention, in action.

How far away is anti-gravity technology? It may already be operating...

Towards the end of an otherwise routine article on aircraft propulsion in Air International in January 2000, reprinted at aeronautics, well-known and highly respected aviation writer Bill Gunston speculated that the American Northrop B-2 Spirit heavy bomber already uses some form of anti-gravity technology:

"I have numerous documents, all published openly in the United States, which purport to explain how the B-2 is even stranger - far, far stranger - than it appears. Most are articles published in commercial magazines, some are openly published US Patents, while a few are open USAF publications by Wright Aeronautical Laboratory and Air Force Systems Command's Astronautics Laboratory. They deal with such topics as electric-field propulsion, and electrogravitics (or anti-gravity), the transient alteration of not only thrust but also a body's weight. Sci-Fi has nothing on this stuff."

What really put the cat among the proverbial pigeons was a feature published in a March 1992 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology, entitled "Black world engineers, scientists, encourage using highly classified technology for civil applications". For the first time in open literature, this article explained how the B-2's sharp leading edge is charged to "many millions of volts", while the corresponding negative charge is blown out in the jets from the four engines.

"Take-off thrust of the [B2 engine] F118- 100 at sea level is given as '19,000lb (84.5kN) class' by Northrop Grumman and as '17,300lb (77.0kN)' by the USAF. These are startlingly low figures for an aircraft whose take-off weight is said to be 336,5001b (152,635kg) and which was until recently said to weigh 376,0001b (170,550kg). Aircraft usually get heavier over the years, not 20 tones [sic] lighter. Even at the supposed reduced weight, the ratio of thrust to weight is a mere 0.2, an extraordinarily low value for a combat aircraft."


In other words, Gunston is implying that the B2 is seriously underpowered unless there is some means of reducing its mass or of increasing its lift beyond that provided by conventional aerodynamic means.

"Other writers have commented on the size of the B-2 wing and noted that its stealth depends on the huge black skin being made of RAM (radar-absorbent material). This, say the physicists, is 'a high-k, high-density dielectric ceramic, capable of generating an enormous electrogravitic lift force when charged'."

So is this why the B2s cost US$1 billion each?

Gunston's article is controversial, (an interesting discussion on it in the rec.aviation.military Internet newsgroup is archived at google under the title "B-2A and electrogravity") but there is a precedent for a radical, cost-is-no-object, highly classified US military aircraft using two major sets of new technologies, one secret and the other VERY secret.

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THE B-2 STEALTH BOMBER CONNECTION

Thanks to Dr. Paul LaViolette reporting in his article, "The U.S. Antigravity Squadron", there is substantial evidence that the electrogravitics research of the 1950's actually resulted in the B-2 Stealth Bomber "auxiliary propulsion system." Summarizing Dr. LaViolette's article, with references cited therein, the following facts are the most convincing:

The B-2 charges the leading edges of its wing-like body, with high voltage;
The B-2 is shaped just like T.T. Brown suggested an electrogravitic craft should look, for maximum charge separation;
Northrup tested leading-edge charging in 1968;
B-2 electrically charges the exhaust similar to the suggestion by T.T. Brown that the craft should be powered by needle-point flame-jet generators which electrically charge the exhaust;
Aviation Week admits the existence of "dramatic, classified technologies" applicable to "aircraft control and propulsion" on the B-2;
Aviation Week also disclosed that a high-density dielectric ceramic RAM made of powdered depleted uranium happens to have a mass density of 3 times that of the high-K dielectrics tested in the 1950's;
The B-2's Emergency Power Units (EPU) can drive an electrical generator at high altitudes or even in space, since the fuel can be made to decompose rapidly even without oxygen;
Edward Aldridge, the Secretary of the Air Force, admits that the B-2 creates no vapor trail at high altitudes.
The decomposed gases from the EPU's can function as the ion-carrying medium, in much the same way as the hot exhaust gases from the air breathing flame jet generators.
These details create a sense of excitement about the world's foremost aircraft. Dr. LaViolette argues that the electrogravitic drive will function better at higher speeds due to the better flow of the ions. Therefore, it is likely, he says, that the B-2 actually is a supersonic aircraft, especially since the 1968 leading-edge charging experiments were for supersonic softening of the shock wave.


House Representative Robert Walker was quoted recently in Popular Science ("Secrets of Groom Lake") as promoting the idea of declassifying military secrets that will help commercial development. We hope that this trend will continue so that advanced Shuttle designs may also acquire an electrogravitic drive.

Through a proposal he submitted in 1990, Dr. LaViolette made NASA aware that an electrogravitic drive would be a feasible propulsion method for the Mars journey because calculations show that the transit time can be less than one month, instead of half a year to a year. It is especially attractive since it uses so little power when it is operational and verified by Brown to work well in a vacuum. More information about electrogravitics and Brown’s patents are available in my book, Electrogravitics Systems: Reports on a New Propulsion Methodology. Many of the books and videos mentioned in this article are available, as a public education service, from our non-profit organization, Integrity Research Institute,

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I read about this stuff a few years back. Someone said that it can lose 89% of it's mass at the flip of a switch. Giving it an utterly insane range, and loiter time.
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UFO anti-gravity helicopter?

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There is a whole book on this theory called "Electrogravitics Systems".
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Is it possible to walk up to one of these B-2 at an airshow to inspect the leading edge - has anyone here ever done it?
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Interesting theory.
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Electrogravitics is not antigravity FYI. This is a common misconception.

Electrogravitics is a means to obtain antigravitic effects, but by itself it does not produce antigravity. There are other components involved.
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Assuming it flies inside a plasma envelope would there be any evidence on the plane if you could inspect it while parked on the tarmac during an airshow? For example would it have a rubber de-icer on the leading edge - I don't think so.
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Might this be the specific plane you can't fly in the rain?
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There is no way you'll get close enough to inspect it.
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What about inspecting it with a spotting scope from some distance, what evidence would you hope to find to confirm the electro-kinetic drive theory?
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most people don't realize that the bumble bee utilizes a natural anti gravity device..

it's true
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I've always wondered that. The Dragonfly also seems special.
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The same B2 Obama wants to sell to the Chinese?
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This is absolutely amazing. Thirty years as an engineer in aerospace/defense, including the past 20 years at Boeing, and to think I knew absolutely nothing about the truth of anti-gravity until I came here to GLP, where the real scientists are.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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I've always wondered that. The Dragonfly also seems special.



yes the dragon fly is interesting but it has the proper wingspan for its mass

but the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly at all according to the laws of aerodynamics we recognize today..

it does so via sonic stimulation of special membranes within its body

fact
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So, what you're saying is, to fly, one only needs a good buzz?


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but the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly at all according to the laws of aerodynamics we recognize today..

it does so via sonic stimulation of special membranes within its body
fact
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Not fact.

A bumblebee is high in mass and surface area (leading to air-resistance compared to its wing area, and not only that, the wings sometimes beat out of sync with each other.

But the wings do have enough power to allow the bumblebee to fly --although inefficiently. You can see a couple of articles about it here:

[link to dsc.discovery.com]
[link to www.dctech.com]
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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Levitation made easy:

[link to www.lauralee.com]
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The idea this plane could have an electrical drive or stealth envelope isn't very radical. NASA aeronautical engineer Paul Hill also discussed this in general terms - not specifically about the B-2.
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I know it's hard for you to accept things that are contrary to what you've been taught in school duncan

it's ok though

you're not supposed to :)

you ever seen a bumble bee zip around?

doesn't seem to be struggling too much to me

do a little research
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Actually, I have done a little research (and I admit, only a little); the result was the two pages that I linked to you.

If you have done research (and I am sure you have) that shows something to the contrary, I'd be glad to look at it. Why not share it with the rest of us?

there is a guy out there who got dead bumble bee bodies to levitate by hitting them with sound from a speaker that matches the hum they make with their wings

it's true
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I have heard bumblebees and I know from first-hand experience (and I'd bet you have, too) heard that their buzzing changes pitch as the wing-beats change frequency.

That being the case, which frequency did this researcher use to lift the bees off the ground?

And a high enough SPL will cause anything to move; all sound is, when you think about it, is a constant-frequency sound pressure. How do you know that this dude didn't just play a particular frequency at a bumblebee's carcass and make it move?

I'm not saying it isn't so; I just haven't seen anything about it. Again, I'd be glad to look at any data you might have.

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Slow motion bee flight. Thread name change?

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Electrogravitics is not antigravity FYI. This is a common misconception.
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Yes. If it were antigravity it wouldn't need a runway to liftoff.
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This is absolutely amazing. Thirty years as an engineer in aerospace/defense, including the past 20 years at Boeing, and to think I knew absolutely nothing about the truth of anti-gravity until I came here to GLP, where the real scientists are.
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bsflag DK = FRAUD.
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Slow motion bee flight. Thread name change?

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Notice anything unusual in the videos? Did you spot the torn 'wing' yet lifts off despite it? It seems to me to be an electro mechanism that does the job.
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I've always wondered that. The Dragonfly also seems special.



yes the dragon fly is interesting but it has the proper wingspan for its mass

but the bumble bee shouldn't be able to fly at all according to the laws of aerodynamics we recognize today..

it does so via sonic stimulation of special membranes within its body

fact
 Quoting: ^TrInItY^



Credible link? New Scientist? Scientific American?
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Maybe there is a large fleet of B2s? Depending upon the place they work? Could be some conventional powered, a few electrogravidics, some swing wing versions, and some radar evading types? Hummingbirds have always amazed me; the way they can fly, hover, fly backwards; it's amazing, like the bees. lurk
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Electrogravitics is not antigravity FYI. This is a common misconception.


Yes. If it were antigravity it wouldn't need a runway to liftoff.
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I'm sure that's all theatrics. jerkit

And I'm sure they crashed the one B2 taking off just to continue the whole illusion. jerkit
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In that movie Broken Arrow, there was the B3 which was radar evading but only when it was switched on; it wasn't the material that gave it the capability; it was something else. And the B3 was operational before the B2, I think?

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