WHEN WILL THE RAPTURE BE - And the lies of the Mormon church from page 11.

Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Shortly after the 6th Seal. A great multitude appears in heaven from all the nations which no one can number. They are not spirits....as they can wear robes and have branches in their hands. See Rev. 6:12---end of Chapter 7.

So the utter demolition of Jerusalem and its temple didn't qualify as the end of the (Jewish) age? And it's all still off in the Future (but "soon"), despite Jesus telling his disciples to their face that many of them would live to see the end occur?


What are you a babbel bot. If you have any scripture on an eternal hell claim lets see these which contradict the rest of the Bible.
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Hell is a myth. Judgment is not endless, and it does not consist if literal real fire.


1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.


1 Cor 13:8
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.


Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


James 2:13
For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.


1 Timothy 4:10
the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, especially of those that believe


1 Chronicles 16:34
Oh, give thanks to the LORD, for He is good! For His mercy endures forever.


Lamentations 3:22
[It is of] the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not.


Lamentations 3:31
For the Lord will not cast off for ever:


Romans 5:20
But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:


Psalm 139:7-8
Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou [art] there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou [art there].


1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for [the sins of] the whole world.


1 Timothy 2:3-6
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus,
who gave Himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time,


Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times [the things] that are not [yet] done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure


James 1:18
Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures


Malachi 3:2
But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire and like launderers' soap. He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver


1 Corinthians 15:22-30
For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive.
But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.
Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power.
For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet.
The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.
For "He has put all things under His feet." But when He says "all things are put under Him," it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted.
Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
Otherwise, what will they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? Why then are they baptized for the dead?
And why do we stand in jeopardy every hour?


Ephesians 1:10
that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all {things} in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth--in Him.


Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


Revelation 5:13
And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, [be] unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.


1 corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.


2 Corinthians 5:19
that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.


Isaiah 54:8
With a little wrath I hid My face from you for a moment; But with everlasting kindness I will have mercy on you," Says the LORD, your Redeemer.


1 John 3:8
He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil.


Isaiah 57:16-19
For I will not contend forever, Nor will I always be angry; For the spirit would fail before Me, And the souls which I have made.
For the iniquity of his covetousness I was angry and struck him; I hid and was angry, And he went on backsliding in the way of his heart.
I have seen his ways, and will heal him; I will also lead him, And restore comforts to him And to his mourners.
"I create the fruit of the lips: Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near," Says the LORD, "And I will heal him."


Psalm 30:5
For His anger is but for a moment, His favor is for life; Weeping may endure for a night, But joy comes in the morning.


Psalm 68:8
You have ascended on high, You have led captivity captive; You have received gifts among men, Even from the rebellious, That the LORD God might dwell there.


Psalm 145:14
The LORD upholds all who fall, And raises up all who are bowed down


Psalm 90:3
You turn man to destruction, And say, "Return, O children of men."


Psalm 112:10
The wicked will see it and be grieved; He will gnash his teeth and melt {away}; The desire of the wicked shall perish.


Acts 3:20-21
"and that He may send Jesus Christ, who was preached to you before,
"whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began.


Psalm 65:2-3
O You who hear prayer, To You all flesh will come.
Iniquities prevail against me; As for our transgressions, You will provide atonement for them.


Luke 6:35
But love your enemies, do good, and lend, hoping for nothing in return; and your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High. For He is kind to the unthankful and evil.

Certainly we've all seen English translations of verses which at face value appear to contradict many of these. Should we accept the unpleasant ones and toss out the good, or should we examine it all further and measure it with what we see of Jesus' nature in the gospels?

I will assert here that christians generally do not like the notion that "sinners" might get to heaven. It's the Older Brother syndrome. We insist that they'll get theirs, and we seem to believe that when Jesus declared "Paid in full", he was just making conversation. This is why when presented scriptural data that God is good to even the wicked, and that God is merciful and all will ultimately be saved, we reject it in favor of mistranslated, leavened passages about "hell" and the "Lake of Fire". Never mind that God uses fire to refine people, and He himself is a consuming fire. We've made "receiving Jebus" into a celebrated ritual that enables us to exclude and/or reject others who have not done so (like we have). We write people off because we believe God will eventually do so, too.

Luke 6:36 Be you therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

Matthew 24:13, 14 - After the gospel is preached to all, "then shall the end come."
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Colossians 1 says the gospel already has been preached to every creature under heaven.

Didn't all this stuff you're listing already occur?

Matthew 24:13, 14 - After the gospel is preached to all, "then shall the end come."
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Colossians 1 says the gospel already has been preached to every creature under heaven.

Didn't all this stuff you're listing already occur?


Obviously not. You must have misunderstood whatever verse you mean in Col.

Matthew 24:13, 14 - After the gospel is preached to all, "then shall the end come."
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Colossians 1 says the gospel already has been preached to every creature under heaven.

Didn't all this stuff you're listing already occur?
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Obviously not. You must have misunderstood whatever verse you mean in Col.
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verse 23: "if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister."

Certainly it couldn't mean that the gospel was preached to every creature under heaven, but I'm in the dark as to what it does mean. Any suggestions?

According to you, everyone is going to be saved? Then why does God even bother judging? Let's sin as much as we want to, we're all going to be saved anyway. I think I want to steal something today. Zero point in stopping sin.

We were kind of wondering when YOU would get the picture.
But your new age beliefs have blinded you to bible truth.
If you do not reconcider, you will be given over to the deception you cling to now.
You will then be more deeply decieved. Romans 1

The church has no power over me since I left it. I left the Catholic church and now I left the ELCA lutheran church.
Christ consciousness is a false teaching. We live once.
Other people in the bible may be reincarnated to suit God's will but 99.99% of people live and die--once. Otherwise, it's pointless. It's redundant. People who talk about Christ consciousness say there is no sin; just mistakes.
Try telling that to the family whose child was abducted and killed by a pedophile.

You really don't understand the Christ consciousness.
Then you might as well say that Jesus was false because
thats what he teached about before the books in the bible
were altered.Yes there is no sin but they're is karma.
What you reap you shall sow.

The bible is deception of all deceptions.

Shortly after the 6th Seal. A great multitude appears in heaven from all the nations which no one can number. They are not spirits....as they can wear robes and have branches in their hands. See Rev. 6:12---end of Chapter 7.

Shortly after the 6th Seal. A great multitude appears in heaven from all the nations which no one can number. They are not spirits....as they can wear robes and have branches in their hands. See Rev. 6:12---end of Chapter 7.




I've done some research on this line of thought. Pre-wrath?
Here's what I do know...No one knows the day or the hour. There's no way God would let any of us know. If you think you have it figured out, your probably wrong.

The bible is deception of all deceptions.


danhow,

You might have fooled me earlier on in this thread with your two faced posts, but you won't fool the Lord if you die in your sins.

Some Like It Hot...



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Basically I think that there is only one correct answer and that is... today. Note that there are two classes of the blessed. Class I Those who are dead in Christ. Class II Those who are alive in Christ.

Now someone who is in Class I was obviously at some time in the past a member of Class II. Non of us can guarantee that we will still be drawing breath at this time tomorrow. So this is not a matter that you can comfortably "put off". As is the common human tendency when faced with a decision. In fact putting it off is in fact a decision in and of it's self. You might be blessed with a little more time, but don't count on it. The risks and consequences of dying in your sins are just to great. All of us are skating on thin ice.



1Th 4:13 ¶ But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

WHERE DID THEY GO?...

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The bible is deception of all deceptions.


danhow,

You might have fooled me earlier on in this thread with your two faced posts, but you won't fool the Lord if you die in your sins.

Some Like It Hot...



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My post arn't 2 faced.
I'm just being sarcastic in some of them.Like you
will go to hell!I don't even beleive in hell.

My post arn't 2 faced.
I'm just being sarcastic in some of them.Like you
will go to hell!I don't even beleive in hell.


danhow,

Yeah well if you die in your sins then I reckon that you will be meeting quite a lot of people who didn't believe in hell... in hell.

Make no mistake about it Jesus Christ can be a ruthless and violent God. Here is the biblical story of how He ordered the Prophet Elijah to slaughter the 850 false priests of Baal. Fire Starter?...

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If you think the Universal Creator is ruthless then you have a lot
to learn.Why would you even follow something this ruthless
unless you are ruthless yourself.The real meaning of sins has been lost.It has to do with Karma and reincarnation.

:z3: MagiChristmas,

You know it might help if your biblical quotes and inane ramblings actually made sense once in a while.

Let's keep going with this Hell business. . .

We might want to ask ourselves: Why he didn't Jesus warn the woman taken in the act of adultery about hell? Or the woman he met at the well? Both were apparently in sin, right? I assume we can all imagine how the average Joe Hardcorechurchgoer would likely confront these girls? Why did Jesus *forgive* the chick taken in adultery instead of preaching at her about hellfire? "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more" he says. Why would he bother discussing *worship* with the questionable woman at the well? If eternal hellfire is as real as we seem to think, why didn't Jesus seize these tailor-made opportunities to elaborate upon it for these persons right in front of him who most likely would be in immediate danger of going there?
These are the kinds questions we should probably consider if we're serious about knowing God.