Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program | |
Avian User ID: 265661 United States 09/14/2009 07:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program what are people thinking nowadays..geesh... "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves, in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it." - Frédéric Bastiat food, water, ammo, weapons, battery back up solar, hand well pump, wood stove and 1 year of food...oh yeah PM's too...good luck |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 07:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program what are people thinking nowadays..geesh... Quoting: Avianavian this isnt going to work nonetheless end well. can you imagine the unthinkable potential here? Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 09/14/2009 07:26 AM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 07:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program theres also medical hazards such as diabetes, hemophiliacs, those who have thick blood or weak/small veins; drive thru blood drawing isnt sanitary anyway. wtf here?! Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 09/14/2009 08:00 AM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 770724 Canada 09/14/2009 07:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program WTF??? They don't have a right to make you blow into a tube but they can take your blood??? I see a huge horrible outcome for all of this shit. When people's rights were being violated at the beginning of all this drug testing through urinalysis then hair samples it should've been fought! You are being used as a witness against yourself through these. Wtf's next? |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program the cataloging has begun.... barcoded tattoos sold separately. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 07:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program WTF??? They don't have a right to make you blow into a tube but they can take your blood??? I see a huge horrible outcome for all of this shit. When people's rights were being violated at the beginning of all this drug testing through urinalysis then hair samples it should've been fought! You are being used as a witness against yourself through these. Wtf's next? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 770724tho inappropriate under the circumstances.....im gonna anyway DONT POKE ME, BRO! political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 768639 United States 09/14/2009 08:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program What an incredibly bad idea! Well trained phlebotomists (not cops), are proficient at drawing blood. Not everyone has "good" easy veins to find and the potential for injury and fraud is enormous. Idiots are running that state (like many others of course), and like lemmings, cops seem very eager to take away our rights. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 08:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program :bs33: political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 08:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program more profiling and mining. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 08:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program What an incredibly bad idea! Well trained phlebotomists (not cops), are proficient at drawing blood. Not everyone has "good" easy veins to find and the potential for injury and fraud is enormous. Idiots are running that state (like many others of course), and like lemmings, cops seem very eager to take away our rights. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 768639imagine an epileptic? jeeze the fkn cops would taze in a nanno second. political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
refugee13 User ID: 740664 United States 09/14/2009 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program I suspect this will become a problem after the first enraged drunk takes the needle away from the cop and jabs him in the head with it... "Livin' The Dream..." "Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more" "So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..." "Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..." |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770095 United States 09/14/2009 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program I suspect this will become a problem after the first enraged drunk takes the needle away from the cop and jabs him in the head with it... Quoting: refugee13i wonder how much influence MADD has in this? just sayin political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 746441 United States 09/14/2009 09:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program Long ago I was a paramedic. If I treated a patient without their consent it was considered legally to be assault. I don't expect this idea to have much in the way of "legs" because it would open the door to too many winnable lawsuits against law enforcement agencies. Not only would suspects have their charges dropped, but they'd have proof, the blood test results, that they'd been assaulted. I never, NEVER, drink and drive, but you can bet if I got busted for it that's how I'd play it; "No, Officer, I do not consent to you drawing my blood". Then call my lawyer. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 380880 United States 09/14/2009 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program it seems to me, that blood tests and such should fall under the right to not incriminate yourself. offering bodily fluids to police against your will, is like offering incriminating evidence in the form of your words to them. they should have to use external visible evidence ie open alcoholic containers near driver, red eyes, the smell of alcohol emanating from breath, slurred speech, erratic driving. if arrested for suspicion of drinking or drug use the person could then be offered the option of giving blood or urine or taking a sobriety test to clear their own name. if they refused , whatever is written in the police report would stand unchallenged. |
Chawlee User ID: 760407 Switzerland 09/14/2009 09:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program This has got to be the craziest shit I've ever seen!! My last stay at the VA,it took 5 people to finally get a vein.So why the hell do they think I'm gonna let some glorified metermaid try??????? Last Edited by Mr.Maggoo on 09/14/2009 09:20 AM |
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refugee13 User ID: 740664 United States 09/14/2009 09:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program I suspect this will become a problem after the first enraged drunk takes the needle away from the cop and jabs him in the head with it... Quoting: Phennommennonni wonder how much influence MADD has in this? just sayin looky what I am finding... [link to www.theaccent.org] Austin police out for blood ACC phlebotomy certificates for cops a possibility By Trevor Goodchild Published: Friday, April 17, 2009 Updated: Sunday, June 21, 2009 Austin Police Chief Art Acevedo backs Senate Bill 261, sponsored by Senator Bob Deuell, which amends laws to allow drawing blood from DWI suspects who refuse a breath test. As of March 31 the bill is in the senate Criminal Justice Subcommittee and has not yet reached the House. If Acevedo's plan to increase blood draws succeeds, ACC might be used to train Austin police officers to be phlebotomists. The City Counsel and the Austin Police Department are debating the issue right now. "The program would require us to go to Austin Community College; it is one of two phlebotomy training programs that are nationally accredited in the country," Acevedo said. The phlebotomy program at ACC is a one-semester, stand-alone program. The program can be taken without having a higher degree plan. Eileen Klein, Dean of the Medical Technology and Phlebotomy department and Department chair Terry Kotrla, are aware of the police chief's plan to train officers at ACC. "We [department chair and Dean] have been in constant communication about this...this is not set in cement yet. Until they [APD and City Council] have their ducks in a row we're not going to go for it," Kotrla said. There are many ducks that need to be in many rows, as Austin's City Council cannot rewrite Texas law. According to Texas Transportation Code 724.013, taking blood samples from DWI suspects who refuse to have it taken is illegal unless the criteria of death or serious bodily injury have been met. Some of these issues were discussed at a public forum hosted by Texans for Accountable Government (TAG). On March 30 at City Hall a forum was held with a panel comprised of Acevedo, Council Member Mike Martinez, American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Mothers Against Drunk Driving (MADD) and the TAG Executive Director John Bush. The moderator, David Kobierowski, presented the Supreme Court case Beeman v. Texas as a possible way around 724.103 to the panel and audience of Austinites. Knowel Beeman appealed the drawing of his blood because his arrest didn't meet the Texas transportation code's criteria, but lost. In an aside, Francis Montenegro, a criminal defense lawyer who attended the event called this "judicial activism," and stated it does not rewrite the Texas Law that is already in place. Bush spoke in detail in the panel about the rights guaranteed by the Ninth Amendment and the right to privacy he felt would not be protected with blood draws. "I know if we continue this practice of forcible blood withdrawals, the city of Austin residents are not going to lay down without putting up a fight," said Bush. The chief of police had another viewpoint about the drawing of blood authorized under the implied consent laws. "I don't know how to break it to people, but when you break the law you lose some rights," Acevedo said. He also justified wanting to train police officers at ACC because hospitals were refusing blood draws from DWI suspects due to liability concerns. Even the jail nurse at the Austin Police Department will not draw blood for the APD to prove if someone is over the legal limit. "When you look at the economic toll, the emotional toll and the toll on our communities...I think personally it's kind of irresponsible [for nurses to refuse]," Acevedo said. Brackenridge, Seton, and St. David's hospital were all mentioned at the forum, and identified for refusing to do blood draws when DWI suspects were brought in by APD. Dr. Steven Berkowitz, the Chief Medical Officer of St. David's hospital's five locations in Austin shared his perspective on Acevedo's proposed policy. "A forensic lab has certain policies and procedures...they do a chain of custody. Everyone signs off on legal documents. Let's say you were accused of a DWI. How do you know that blood was actually yours? Because we don't have forensic capabilities, we cannot say in a court of law that that was your blood," Berkowitz said. The federal grant to train officers at ACC would come from National Highway and Traffic Safety Association (NHTSA). Despite this, hospitals aren't alone in their scrutiny of this policy. Some of the City Counsel members criticize its price tag. "It is going to cost millions upon millions of dollars to collect and store the DNA and maintain it in a secure process. There are too many questions and until those questions get answered I don't think the city of Austin should be engaged in taking blood samples and storing them," Martinez said. Acevedo cited that Arizona has been doing blood testing since the 1990s and claimed they've had great results with only one lawsuit, which the plaintiff lost. When asked what his recourse was if the blood draw policy didn't pass, he brought up another tactic to decrease DWIs in Austin. "I think we have to continue to work on the education component of it. We have to keep trying to educate the public," Acevedo said. Recent cases involving people such as Jesse Owens, Sophia King, and Daniel Rocha have brought APD's use of force policy to the forefront of the public's eye. ACLU Central Texas Chapter President Debbie Russell questioned what would happen if someone physically refused a blood draw. "What hasn't been brought up yet is the use of force issue when getting that blood from a person who is unwilling to give up their most precious identifier," Russell said. Acevedo addressed this after confronted by panel members and multiple Austinites that spoke at the podium and yelled out from the crowd regarding APD using physical restraints to obtain blood from a person who might be intoxicated. "We're not going to beat on somebody to get a blood test out of them," said Acevedo. APD does not call their policy forced blood draws, they call it "non-consensual testing." The chief has initiated no refusal weekends on holidays when APD estimates there will be a lot of drinking. Acevedo concluded that there was a way to avoid the entire situation, "Bottom line is if you take a taxi, walk home, have a designated driver, call dial-a-ride, or take the bus you'll never have to worry about us." "Livin' The Dream..." 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refugee13 User ID: 740664 United States 09/14/2009 09:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program This has got to be the craziest shit I've ever seen!! Quoting: ChawleeMy last stay at the VA,it took 5 people to finally get a vein.So why the hell do they think I'm gonna let some glorified metermaid try??????? are you sure it wasnt the janitor trying to stick you??? "Livin' The Dream..." "Don't believe in anyone, 'cos they'll feel you so much more" "So break me down if it makes you feel right~and hate me now if it keeps you alright~you can't break me down if it takes all your might~cause I'm so much more than meets the eye..." "Some people would bitch if their ice cream was cold..." |
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Chawlee User ID: 760407 Switzerland 09/14/2009 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program This has got to be the craziest shit I've ever seen!! Quoting: refugee13My last stay at the VA,it took 5 people to finally get a vein.So why the hell do they think I'm gonna let some glorified metermaid try??????? are you sure it wasnt the janitor trying to stick you??? He probably took a stab at it too. |
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Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770848 United States 09/14/2009 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program I teach Phlebotomy it is not a LICENSED position just hands on training. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 660194regardless you wanna cop to draw your blood? talk about a conflict of interest in itself political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
Phennommennonn (OP) Forum Administrator User ID: 770848 United States 09/14/2009 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Police say syringes will help stop drunk driving (Idaho/Texas) *Cops To Be Trained as Phlebotomists under federal program PP picked up the story too Police Train To Forcibly Draw Blood From Drunk Driving Suspects Nightmarish and chilling program could be expanded nationwide Paul Joseph Watson Monday, September 14, 2009 The Associated Press reports today on a truly chilling and nightmarish police program that we have highlighted before – cops forcibly jabbing a syringe into your arm and extracting blood if you are “suspected” of drunk-driving. The opening two paragraphs in the AP report alone sound like something straight out of a twilight zone episode where vampires have taken over America and turned it into a tyrannical police state in order to satisfy their blood lust. Sound overstated? Read it for yourself. When police officer Darryll Dowell is on patrol in the southwestern Idaho city of Nampa, he’ll pull up at a stoplight and usually start casing the vehicle. Nowadays, his eyes will also focus on the driver’s arms, as he tries to search for a plump, bouncy vein. “I was looking at people’s arms and hands, thinking, ‘I could draw from that,’” Dowell said. The article then goes on to describe how officers in Texas and Idaho are training to withdraw blood from “suspects” as a replacement for the standard breathalyzer test, primarily because police can’t make anyone breathe into a tube but apparently, in the “land of the free,” they can forcibly hold someone down and jab a needle into their arm and take their blood, “a practice that’s been upheld by Idaho’s Supreme Court and the U.S. Supreme Court,” according to the report. The U.S. Supreme Court also once ruled that black people were slaves, property of their slaveowners with no inherent rights whatsoever, and that those designated to be “feeble minded” by the government could be sterilized – in neither case was either of these rulings in accordance with natural God given rights bestowed upon mankind, as history has shown. Likewise, cops forcibly jabbing needles in people who are merely “suspected” of being drunk drivers is a total abomination, a complete violation of basic human rights under the Nuremberg code, and one that will likely lead to many injuries and infections – not to mention a cascade of lawsuits. Despite being littered with internal checkpoints that are now starting to pop up all over America, not even the Nazis or the Soviets sank to the depth of having their goons forcibly stick needles into people’s arms to take their blood. The practice of cops drawing blood at the side of the road has been in place in some areas since 1995 but the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has indicated that the program is ultimately intended to be introduced nationwide. Nicole Watson, the College of Western Idaho phlebotomy instructor teaching the Idaho officers, described how the process would unfold. Once they’re back on patrol, they will draw blood of any suspected drunk driver who refuses a breath test. They’ll use force if they need to, such as getting help from another officer to pin down a suspect and potentially strap them down, Watson said. Of course, once Americans are trained to accept authority figures jabbing them with needles against their will on a whim, programs for mandatory mass vaccination will be all the more easier to implement. Cops across America are already armed with Tasers for the purpose of inflicting “pain compliance,” otherwise known as torture, now they will also be wielding needles while eyeing up your “plump, bouncy vein”. Welcome to Amerika 2009 – land of the vampires, home of the slave. Last Edited by Phennommennonn on 09/14/2009 11:37 AM political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |