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## What is this HEALTH CARE Bill REALLY About? Letís look at the Black and White ##

 
TX PATRIOT (OP)

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Ensuring the gov doesn't encourage businesses to self insure:

SEC. 113. INSURANCE RATING RULES.

(2) REPORTS- Not later than 18 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Commissioner shall submit to Congress and the applicable agencies a report on the study conducted under paragraph (1). Such report shall include any recommendations the Commissioner deems appropriate to ensure that the law does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure or create adverse selection in the risk pools of large group insurers and self-insured employers. Not later than 18 months after the first day of Y1, the Commissioner shall submit to Congress and the applicable agencies an updated report on such study, including updates on such recommendations.


Marketing

This is from the previous bill before coming out of committee:

H.R.2399
American Health Benefits Program Act of 2009

(e) Marketing Practices and Costs- The Administrator shall monitor marketing practices with respect to qualified health plans in order to assure--

`(1) the accuracy of the information disseminated regarding such plans; and

`(2) that costs of marketing are reasonable and do not exceed a percentage of total costs that is specified by the Administrator and that takes into account costs of market entry for new qualified health plans.



This is from HR 3200...note the open-ended generality:

SEC. 131. REQUIRING FAIR MARKETING PRACTICES BY HEALTH INSURERS.

The Commissioner shall establish uniform marketing standards that all insured QHBP offering entities shall meet.


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TOTAL CONTROL - not health care - and so many people don't see it. Why?!

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It is NOT about healthcare -- it is about setting up an electronic funds transfer infrastructure that couples the funding transfers with massive amounts of personal information, e.g., health records, police records, purchasing records, EVERYTHING.

This bill is setting up the infrastructure of the BEAST.

NO SHIT.

It has nothing to do with healthcare. That is the Trojan Horse. EFT/Data is the objective.

NEVER FORGET THIS.
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It is NOT about healthcare -- it is about setting up an electronic funds transfer infrastructure that couples the funding transfers with massive amounts of personal information, e.g., health records, police records, purchasing records, EVERYTHING.

This bill is setting up the infrastructure of the BEAST.

NO SHIT.

It has nothing to do with healthcare. That is the Trojan Horse. EFT/Data is the objective.

NEVER FORGET THIS.
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Yes but even those who do not see that far or that deep, those who are only looking at the surface level aren't accurately assessing even that layer.

I just can't grasp this level of blind acceptance from so many.

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It is NOT about healthcare -- it is about setting up an electronic funds transfer infrastructure that couples the funding transfers with massive amounts of personal information, e.g., health records, police records, purchasing records, EVERYTHING.

This bill is setting up the infrastructure of the BEAST.

NO SHIT.

It has nothing to do with healthcare. That is the Trojan Horse. EFT/Data is the objective.

NEVER FORGET THIS.


Yes but even those who do not see that far or that deep, those who are only looking at the surface level aren't accurately assessing even that layer.

I just can't grasp this level of blind acceptance from so many.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT


im amazed every time i read 'free health care'

sometimes i think it has to be sarcasm or someone joking but i think alot of people think thats what it is

to call it healthcare reform is stupid because its totally about insurance and forcing it on the ones who dont want it and nothing to do with actual healthcare

thx again patriot
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Thanks for all your work, sadly not many people prefer to read this and would rather call it communist medicine.
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It's communist in the fact that it gives government power over dictating to (1)the populace that they WILL pay for health insurance, no opting out, no being without insurance...unless, of course, you're dead; (2)to the private insurance companies that they will offer A, B and C, maybe C+, and nothing else...and that they are not able to initiate new plans; (3)to dictate to medical facilities that they will charge for procedures, at medicare levels, for those who are in the exchange programs; (4)to dictate present and future education, expansion, and availability of doctors, facilities, and research; (5)agrees not to negotiate with big pharma, and will pay the exorbitant costs of the medical toxins which our entire nation is dependent upon in one form or another; (6)dictates what is acceptable or not as a remedial cure or treatment, extremely limiting and sometimes prohibiting naturopathy or homeopathy.

And who is to say that when these plans are articulated, and agreements between government, pharma, medical facilities and doctors are made, that in the provisions designed for the attending physician, that they wont require you to obey your doctor at all costs (mandatory vaccinations, surgeries, procedures...can't opt out), and if you don't, you'll be in violation of upholding your end of your insurance policy agreement and liable to fine or imprisonment?

Example: Your family income is $35,000 for a family of 4, and you can only qualify for an exchange policy, which the government mandates you carry. Upon your "accepting" this forced policy, it states clearly that if your doctor or the government requires a vaccination or procedure to be done, that you are obligated to obey, and if you do not, you are deemed to be in breach of contract. Upon being in breach of contract, you will be liable for fines and/or jail time for your breach. So the CDC, coupled with FEMA, requires mandatory swine flu inoculations, for which you cannot object, and to do so, you will be subject to $1000/day fine, facing jail time until you comply, for your breach of contract. They have access to your bank account for EFT purposes for premiums, and can garnish your wages until your penalties are paid in full. Whatcha going to do?

We are just seeing the tip of this humongous iceberg that is about to sideswipe us. They are pushing it hard upon us...and ya gotta ask why, when it's not suppose to even go into effect until 2013? I find this just way too reminiscent of previous dictatorships.
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Btw, I want to thank you TX PATRIOT for all the work you are putting into this. I cannot express my sincere gratitude enough!
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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Thanks for all your work, sadly not many people prefer to read this and would rather call it communist medicine.

It's communist in the fact that it gives government power over dictating to

(1)the populace that they WILL pay for health insurance, no opting out, no being without insurance...unless, of course, you're dead;

(2)to the private insurance companies that they will offer A, B and C, maybe C+, and nothing else...and that they are not able to initiate new plans;

(3)to dictate to medical facilities that they will charge for procedures, at medicare levels, for those who are in the exchange programs;

(4)to dictate present and future education, expansion, and availability of doctors, facilities, and research;

(5)agrees not to negotiate with big pharma, and will pay the exorbitant costs of the medical toxins which our entire nation is dependent upon in one form or another;

(6)dictates what is acceptable or not as a remedial cure or treatment, extremely limiting and sometimes prohibiting naturopathy or homeopathy.

And who is to say that when these plans are articulated, and agreements between government, pharma, medical facilities and doctors are made, that in the provisions designed for the attending physician, that they wont require you to obey your doctor at all costs (mandatory vaccinations, surgeries, procedures...can't opt out), and if you don't, you'll be in violation of upholding your end of your insurance policy agreement and liable to fine or imprisonment?

Example: Your family income is $35,000 for a family of 4, and you can only qualify for an exchange policy, which the government mandates you carry. Upon your "accepting" this forced policy, it states clearly that if your doctor or the government requires a vaccination or procedure to be done, that you are obligated to obey, and if you do not, you are deemed to be in breach of contract. Upon being in breach of contract, you will be liable for fines and/or jail time for your breach. So the CDC, coupled with FEMA, requires mandatory swine flu inoculations, for which you cannot object, and to do so, you will be subject to $1000/day fine, facing jail time until you comply, for your breach of contract. They have access to your bank account for EFT purposes for premiums, and can garnish your wages until your penalties are paid in full. Whatcha going to do?

We are just seeing the tip of this humongous iceberg that is about to sideswipe us. They are pushing it hard upon us...and ya gotta ask why, when it's not suppose to even go into effect until 2013? I find this just way too reminiscent of previous dictatorships.
 Quoting: *~*Faithful*~*


Faithful, your post is worthy of repeating in its entirety. You have quite aptly summarized the implications in narrative form.

When one considers this level of CONTRACTUAL control/dictatorship over our health care coupled with CODEX and their associated sales pitch to The People that "CODEX is voluntary and will not trump a nation's laws", which we all know is false if one is a WTO member and working to advancing globalization, this dictatorial control and permanent removal of our freedom, on so many foundational levels, is criminal...high crimes against our country and a crime against humanity to dictate one's health choices that are selected by an appointed few.

Later this evening (my evening as it is morning where I am currently located), I will post the language delineating the Health Benefits Advisory Committee whereby serving members are appointed by onlythe President and by the COMPTROLLER GENERAL (for health care??). The language includes "at least one practicing physician" should serve.

"At least one" physician...on the nation's "Health Advisory Committee".

Speaking to your education reference, for those who do not know, there is an incredibly lengthy section on creating Health Service Corps, community "surveillance", training systems and programs, etc.

On one level this could be viewed as necessary because doctors and health care employees will no longer willingly go into the field as has been proven with other gov controlled health care nations, which is bad in its own right. On a different level, this can be viewed as greater indoctrination and more contracts (health care professionals contracted through grant educations).

As a related aside, to those who haven't read the bill, I have not found one place in this bill that addresses freedom of health care treatment choices made by the patient or treatment focused on curative outcomes. Not one word.

Thank you, Faithful, as well for helping educate people on the factual aspects of this proposed bill. It's our duty.

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I am often surprised at you people.

Here is the answer, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

But because it's foreign to you, you can't process it.

[link to larouchepac.com]
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I am often surprised at you people.

Here is the answer, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

But because it's foreign to you, you can't process it.

[link to larouchepac.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771338


You are an arrogant, divisive ass, aren't you, to assume that "we people" aren't informed or even intelligent enough to grasp the communist planned aspect of this.

We should bow to your knowledge as you insult your audience? LMAO

Let me put it to you in this manner so maybe YOU will understand where YOU fail: presenting your information - the motivating, strategic, long-term plan - to those who actually promote and support this bill, especially to those who aren't even exposed to such a level of information, will be not be effective. Full stop. One must provide the black and white of the issue at the level at which much of the audience operates, which is the purpose of this thread.

Now, if you continue to insist on being divisive, I ask you to take your arrogant BS somewhere else; otherwise get busy, dig in and start educating in a manner that will encourage people at THEIR level to think about their held beliefs about this bill.

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I am often surprised at you people.

Here is the answer, RIGHT IN YOUR FACE.

But because it's foreign to you, you can't process it.

[link to larouchepac.com]


You are an arrogant, divisive ass, aren't you, to assume that "we people" aren't informed or even intelligent enough to grasp the communist planned aspect of this.

We should bow to your knowledge as you insult your audience? LMAO

Let me put it to you in this manner so maybe YOU will understand where YOU fail: presenting your information - the motivating, strategic, long-term plan - to those who actually promote and support this bill, especially to those who aren't even exposed to such a level of information, will be not be effective. Full stop. One must provide the black and white of the issue at the level at which much of the audience operates, which is the purpose of this thread.

Now, if you continue to insist on being divisive, I ask you to take your arrogant BS somewhere else; otherwise get busy, dig in and start educating in a manner that will encourage people at THEIR level to think about their held beliefs about this bill.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 771360


You are starring at the Wizard while ignoring the man behind the curtain. Just keep starring.

sheep
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Gradient presents a good essay written by a Constitutional attorney concerning the effects of this bill on our Constitution in his thread:

Healthcare reform is a Trojan Horse for changing America forever...permanently

Thread: Healthcare reform is a Trojan Horse for changing America forever...permanently

It's a 'need to know' read.

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You are starring at the Wizard while ignoring the man behind the curtain. Just keep starring.

sheep
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READ my previous post again....slowly. Maybe it will sink in.

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You are starring at the Wizard while ignoring the man behind the curtain. Just keep starring.

sheep


READ my previous post again....slowly. Maybe it will sink in.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 771360


I read it.

yawn

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I read it.

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Then you are the one displaying ignorance (or stupidity) not understanding how to effectively dismantle beliefs of those only educated at the surface level.

Do you also throw quantum physics at a first grader?

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Thanks TX for posting. I tried reading through the first round but my head started spinning on page 1.

I guess I was expecting....(head in the clouds)....
I'm not sure what I was expecting but my gut wasn't reacting positively. It was too much legalese instead of clear cut and straight to the point language. Conyers was right. You need 2 lawyers to interpret the language and 2 more to decipher their interpretations. Lawyer liars are not to be trusted.

Is it safe to assume that this plan does NOT read anything like other universal plans around the world? I have been looking into the Swedish system [link to www.sweden.se] but I really want to see their actual plan to compare how it's organized and worded.

I don't get how this plan is supposed to positively benefit "We the People". I really don't.

Now, I am in the camp that the US should have had the best health care system in the world. However, as I began reading section I. I swear nothing I expected to see was in there.

Thanks again.
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Great information... lots to digest. :thanks:
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Let me put it to you in this manner so maybe YOU will understand where YOU fail: presenting your information - the motivating, strategic, long-term plan - to those who actually promote and support this bill, especially to those who aren't even exposed to such a level of information, will be not be effective. Full stop. One must provide the black and white of the issue at the level at which much of the audience operates, which is the purpose of this thread.

Now, if you continue to insist on being divisive, I ask you to take your arrogant BS somewhere else; otherwise get busy, dig in and start educating in a manner that will encourage people at THEIR level to think about their held beliefs about this bill.

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 Quoting: TX PATRIOT 771360


I think I need a little clarification to you guys on the above post and one following.

I am not referring to the majority of my GLPers as uninformed, surface-level thinkers or even first graders. With those remarks, I am referring to those who blindly support and promote this proposed plan. The reason for presenting this info is so that we, many of the more informed (in the motivations, the origins, etc), will be armed with "I've read the bill language" facts when we are confronted with debate. I honestly believe the most effective way to help those who are blind is with education in the facts. Some are too far gone. Some, though, are not.

Being educated in the bill language also assists in conversations / correspondence with one's Rep/Senators.

Anywho, just wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstood in my response to LaRouche guy. ;)

I plan to add more info to this thread including the 'power structure' they plan. In short, it's the Executive Branch and the IRS (now THAT section is the language to make one's head spin off). However, I am quite short on time tonight. So, until tomorrow....

G'night...er G'day to most of you! ;)

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Thanks TX for posting.
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AC and Chalcedony...thanks for the acknowledgment, but, admittedly, the exercise is as much for me as others. =P I hope the info will assist in our fight...for our freedoms and the foundational principles of our Republic.

Cheers!

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