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I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!

 
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I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
The Moon is 238,855 miles away from Earth

The Saturn V carrying Apollo 11 escaped earth's atmosphere at more then 17,000 mph


The lie -- NASA says it took 3 days to get to the Moon

The math -- 238,855 (/) 17,000 mph = 14 hrs flight

The logic -- objects in motion stay in motion, unless acted upon by another force


There is no air to offer any resistance in space, the Vehicle would travel at this speed indefinitely and reach the Moon in 14 hrs. The 3 day bullshit was invented by NASA because they still didn't understand how fast the Vehicle needed to go to escape Earth's atmosphere, they later discovered this with the Shuttle.


You can send the Shuttle to the Moon today in 14 hrs.

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You have got this hopelessly wrong :-)
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You have got this hopelessly wrong :-)
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
It left the atmosphere at the speed you describe. It slowed down due to gravity.
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
The Apollo spacecraft had to climb out of Earth's gravity, which slowed it down significantly from the 25,000 mph escape velocity to the couple of thousand miles per hour it was doing as it transitioned from being slowed by Earth's gravity to being sped up by the Moon's gravity.
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
The Moon is 238,855 miles away from Earth

The Saturn V carrying Apollo 11 escaped earth's atmosphere at more then 17,000 mph


The lie -- NASA says it took 3 days to get to the Moon

The math -- 238,855 (/) 17,000 mph = 14 hrs flight

The logic -- objects in motion stay in motion, unless acted upon by another force


There is no air to offer any resistance in space, the Vehicle would travel at this speed indefinitely and reach the Moon in 14 hrs. The 3 day bullshit was invented by NASA because they still didn't understand how fast the Vehicle needed to go to escape Earth's atmosphere, they later discovered this with the Shuttle.


You can send the Shuttle to the Moon today in 14 hrs.

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Wrong. The earth's gravity pulls on the craft for most of the trip slowing it all the way until at some point, the moon's gravity equals and exceded the earth's and it again speeds up. At the transition point, Apollo was only going 2000 miles per hour.
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
It left the atmosphere at the speed you describe. It slowed down due to gravity.
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Slowed down due to GRAVITY?

There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere, or SATURN V would have needed hundreds of fuel stages to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.


S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.


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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
The Apollo spacecraft had to climb out of Earth's gravity, which slowed it down significantly from the 25,000 mph escape velocity to the couple of thousand miles per hour it was doing as it transitioned from being slowed by Earth's gravity to being sped up by the Moon's gravity.
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Wrong. The earth's gravity pulls on the craft for most of the trip slowing it all the way until at some point, the moon's gravity equals and exceded the earth's and it again speeds up. At the transition point, Apollo was only going 2000 miles per hour.
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
You have got this hopelessly wrong :-)

Tell me where?
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I couldn't be bothered (you would have rejected it anyhow), but I see others are doing it for me :-)

You forgot that (nearly) all the way to the Moon it was still climbing out of Earth's gravity, thus slowing down.
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Slowed down due to GRAVITY?

There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere, or SATURN V would have needed hundreds of fuel stages to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.
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Oh dear! YES THERE IS! Earth's gravity extends indefinitely into space.

Gravity does not suddenly END.
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Slowed down due to GRAVITY?

There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere, or SATURN V would have needed hundreds of fuel stages to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.

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It used up most of its velocity (energy) getting out of Earth's gravity to the point where it was close enough to the Moon for lunar gravity to take over as the dominant force.

Clever stuff. All worked out by NASA with abacuses!
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It left the atmosphere at the speed you describe. It slowed down due to gravity.

Slowed down due to GRAVITY?

There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere, or SATURN V would have needed hundreds of fuel stages to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.


S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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From the same page:

S-IVB sequence

...
During Apollo 11, a typical lunar mission, the third stage burned for about 2.5 minutes until first cutoff at 11 minutes 40 seconds. At this point it was 2640 km downrange and in a parking orbit at an altitude of 188 km and velocity of 7790 m/sec. The third stage remained attached to the spacecraft while it orbited the Earth two and a half times while astronauts and mission controllers prepared for translunar injection (TLI).
...
On Apollo 11, TLI came at 2 hours and 44 minutes after launch. The S-IVB burned for almost six minutes giving the spacecraft a velocity close to the Earth's escape velocity of 11.2 km/s (40,320 km/h; 25,053 mph). This gave an energy-efficient transfer to lunar orbit with the moon helping to capture the spacecraft with a minimum of CSM fuel consumption.


I suggest that you work out how long it would take for Earth's gravity to stop an object heading away from it at 25,000 mph. You'll find that it's on the order of three days - interesting coincidence, huh!?

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I couldn't be bothered (you would have rejected it anyhow), but I see others are doing it for me :-)

You forgot that (nearly) all the way to the Moon it was still climbing out of Earth's gravity, thus slowing down.
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Oh dear! YES THERE IS! Earth's gravity extends indefinitely into space.

Gravity does not suddenly END.
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Goodness gracious no!

If GRAVITY was a factor all the way to the MOON then SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to get there.


S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


There would have to be no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere for this adventure to have existed, or SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.
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It used up most of its velocity (energy) getting out of Earth's gravity to the point where it was close enough to the Moon for lunar gravity to take over as the dominant force.

Clever stuff. All worked out by NASA with abacuses!
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
It left the atmosphere at the speed you describe. It slowed down due to gravity.

Slowed down due to GRAVITY?

There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere, or SATURN V would have needed hundreds of fuel stages to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.


S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


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No more gravity outside earths atmosphere?
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I couldn't be bothered (you would have rejected it anyhow), but I see others are doing it for me :-)

You forgot that (nearly) all the way to the Moon it was still climbing out of Earth's gravity, thus slowing down.



Oh dear! YES THERE IS! Earth's gravity extends indefinitely into space.

Gravity does not suddenly END.

Goodness gracious no!

If GRAVITY was a factor all the way to the MOON then SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to get there.


S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


There would have to be no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere for this adventure to have existed, or SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.
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Why? It's going at 7 miles per second.
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As soon as I read the 2nd paragraph I was like, "Oh God," since I realized where this was going.
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Why? It's going at 7 miles per second.
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If GRAVITY was a factor all the way to the MOON then SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to get there.

S-IC sequence
The first stage burned for 2.5 minutes, lifting the rocket to an altitude of 42 miles (68 km) and a speed of 6,164 miles per hour (9,920 km/h) and burning 2,000,000 kilograms (4,400,000 lb) of propellant.

S-II sequence
After S-IC separation, the S-II second stage burned for 6 minutes and propelled the craft to 109 miles (176 km) and 15,647 mph (25,182 km/h – 7.00 km/s), close to orbital velocity.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There would have to be no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere for this adventure to have existed, or SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.

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There would have to be no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere for this adventure to have existed, or SATURN V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES to cover the 238,855 miles to get to the MOON.
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No, as already explained to you (and this is the last time I shall do it), gravity does not END. Look up gravity on the web and learn something.

It had lots of initial velocity (energy), and this was gradually used up climbing out of Earth's gravity into the Moon's.

No more 'fuel stages' were necessary, it had plenty of initial energy left from launch.

It gradually SLOWED DOWN to the point at which the Moon's gravity took over and it began accelerating towards the Moon.

This is all very basic physics. Everybody seems to get it except you. What does that suggest to you?
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There is no more gravity once outside of earth's atmosphere
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ROFL!

Dude, take your meds!
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As soon as I read the 2nd paragraph I was like, "Oh God," since I realized where this was going.
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I got the same reaction with the first reply, and by the looks of the rest that are following, I WAS RIGHT!!!

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OP, you should have taken some physics courses.

Than you would understand the MOST BASIC physics and why you are so wrong.
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As soon as I read the 2nd paragraph I was like, "Oh God," since I realized where this was going.

I got the same reaction with the first reply, and by the looks of the rest that are following, I WAS RIGHT!!!

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You seem to get a thrill out of being hopelessly wrong. Interesting.
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As soon as I read the 2nd paragraph I was like, "Oh God," since I realized where this was going.

I got the same reaction with the first reply, and by the looks of the rest that are following, I WAS RIGHT!!!

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Please explain why you think gravity ends at the top of the atmosphere?
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Re: I call Bull/shit, we never went to MOON, here's why!
Common sense will immediately tell you that it's not a direct path to the moon.
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As soon as I read the 2nd paragraph I was like, "Oh God," since I realized where this was going.

I got the same reaction with the first reply, and by the looks of the rest that are following, I WAS RIGHT!!!

:5:
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If the Earth's gravity stops at the top of its atmosphere, how come the Moon orbits Earth?

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No, as already explained to you (and this is the last time I shall do it), gravity does not END. Look up gravity on the web and learn something.
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Then Saturn V would have needed HUNDREDS of FUEL STAGES.

It had lots of initial velocity (energy), and this was gradually used up climbing out of Earth's gravity into the Moon's.
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Where more FUEL STAGES would have been needed and by the HUNDREDS.

No more 'fuel stages' were necessary, it had plenty of initial energy left from launch.
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Then there was no gravity for SATURN to resist and traveling at 17,000 mph would have made the trip to the in 14hrs.

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Common sense will immediately tell you that it's not a direct path to the moon.
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OP, you should have taken some physics courses.

Than you would understand the MOST BASIC physics and why you are so wrong.
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The Moon is 238,855 miles away from Earth

The math -- 238,855 (/) 17,000 mph = 14 hrs flight

You can send the Shuttle to the Moon today in 14 hrs.

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