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| Blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:05 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why is lucifer the morning star?
Why does good, god, follow authority instead of purpose?
As I recall Jesus is the morning star.
Actually, god follows the will of men in most respects, but uses authority when they do evil.
the bible is actually quite unrestrictive (after christ) of most human behaviors. the only forbidden things after christ came are fornication and eating meat sacrificed to idols. thats it, believe it or not. We are not under the Old Testament laws now.
Most people have a faulty idea that the bible forbids fun etc. it is the most unrestrictive 'religion' out there.
Blakey,
You must be joking right?
Christianity is the NARROW road, and few be that find it.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman lust in your heart, you have commited audultery. Jesus made it very clear that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fufill it.
1 Corinthians 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
Please preach the Word. Quoting: astratt7
By saying that I did not mean that people can lie cheat steal etc....I take that as granted. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 58109
9/19/2009 3:06 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Stories get passed down from generation to generation. Why are there no people with ancestors that wittnessed the resurection? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 726998
[link to biblebasics.wordpress.com]
All the 12 disciples were killed shortly thereafter. Does anyone but the elite babylonian snaked families pass down forbidden knowledge? I don't think so. They wouldn't want competition. |
| percentage1
User ID: 774442
9/19/2009 3:06 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why is lucifer the morning star?
Why does good, god, follow authority instead of purpose?
As I recall Jesus is the morning star.
Actually, god follows the will of men in most respects, but uses authority when they do evil.
the bible is actually quite unrestrictive (after christ) of most human behaviors. the only forbidden things after christ came are fornication and eating meat sacrificed to idols. thats it, believe it or not. We are not under the Old Testament laws now.
Most people have a faulty idea that the bible forbids fun etc. it is the most unrestrictive 'religion' out there. Quoting: Blakey 759954
NO. Lucifer morning star. [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Authority is the mark of the bible. Law. The Wall. Fun and pleasure has nothing to do with god. dog.
Morality, post christian, will be based on purpose. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 609135
9/19/2009 3:07 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why would a Just loving God offer the 10 commandments, only to reverse its logic and initiate Joshua to exterminate every Man, Woman, Child and animal in Cannan and (of course) "acquire" all gold in the Canaanite exploits to fashion the temple implements?
Id really like to get my heart around this, but simply cannot... |
| Blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:08 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Stories get passed down from generation to generation. Why are there no people with ancestors that wittnessed the resurection? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 726998
There was a time of tremedous persecution of christians and they were killed and much of their witness (their stories) were never written. then you had incredible persecution under the Romans and so much was lost. Also, after 2000 years, the only reliable source we have is the bible - that has been checked out as authentic. Most of the other books from that period were burned or destroyed, a perfect example was the burning of the Library of Alexandria in the middle ages, a time of darkness, strife and chaos. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 58109
9/19/2009 3:08 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
lands of giants means hybrids |
| Blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:10 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why would a Just loving God offer the 10 commandments, only to reverse its logic and initiate Joshua to exterminate every Man, Woman, Child and animal in Cannan and (of course) "acquire" all gold in the Canaanite exploits to fashion the temple implements?
Id really like to get my heart around this, but simply cannot... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 609135
Some societies are so evil that god destroys the whole civilization. Some people cannot accept that, but god does not think like us exactly and is to be feared. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 58109
9/19/2009 3:10 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Stories get passed down from generation to generation. Why are there no people with ancestors that wittnessed the resurection? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 726998
You could also see the same thing happen to library of alexandria. What happened there? Some try to hide the knowledge and they usually would be because that knowledge would expose them. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 771809
9/19/2009 3:12 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
. |
| *Jentle* 
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9/19/2009 3:13 AM
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Why would a Just loving God offer the 10 commandments, only to reverse its logic and initiate Joshua to exterminate every Man, Woman, Child and animal in Cannan and (of course) "acquire" all gold in the Canaanite exploits to fashion the temple implements?
Id really like to get my heart around this, but simply cannot...
Some societies are so evil that god destroys the whole civilization. Some people cannot accept that, but god does not think like us exactly and is to be feared. Quoting: Blakey 759954
How can you truly love and be in fear at the same time? It doesn't make sense.
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style. |
| Energy
User ID: 745210
9/19/2009 3:15 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
is it true that (according to the bible)if you are not a christian, you won't be accepted into heaven?
i know that god is forgiving and understanding. it just seems silly. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 774442
9/19/2009 3:15 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771809
Holy spit... what was that? Spit? Hole...Puke.
Capitals... what?...lol... as if that has any bearing on anyting remotely important. Even subjective. idiot. |
| Blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:15 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771809
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc... |
| Preacher Bob
User ID: 774431
9/19/2009 3:17 AM
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We are not under the Old Testament laws now. Quoting: Blakey 759954
Where do you get this idea?
John 4
He warns us to test all teachings before accepting them
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
1 John 4:1-5 (KJV) |
| astratt7
User ID: 771408
9/19/2009 3:17 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why is lucifer the morning star?
Why does good, god, follow authority instead of purpose?
As I recall Jesus is the morning star.
Actually, god follows the will of men in most respects, but uses authority when they do evil.
the bible is actually quite unrestrictive (after christ) of most human behaviors. the only forbidden things after christ came are fornication and eating meat sacrificed to idols. thats it, believe it or not. We are not under the Old Testament laws now.
Most people have a faulty idea that the bible forbids fun etc. it is the most unrestrictive 'religion' out there.
Blakey,
You must be joking right?
Christianity is the NARROW road, and few be that find it.
Jesus said if you even look at a woman lust in your heart, you have commited audultery. Jesus made it very clear that He did not come to destroy the law, but to fufill it.
1 Corinthians 6: 9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind
Please preach the Word.
By saying that I did not mean that people can lie cheat steal etc....I take that as granted. Quoting: Blakey 759954
Mark 8: 35 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.
You surrender all when you become born again and follow Christ. All of your own selfish want a and needs you lay at the feet of Jesus. He said, Take up your cross and follow Me.
I can tell you from many years of heartbreak, that He has taught me that, my life is no longer my own. |
| blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:17 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why would a Just loving God offer the 10 commandments, only to reverse its logic and initiate Joshua to exterminate every Man, Woman, Child and animal in Cannan and (of course) "acquire" all gold in the Canaanite exploits to fashion the temple implements?
Id really like to get my heart around this, but simply cannot...
Some societies are so evil that god destroys the whole civilization. Some people cannot accept that, but god does not think like us exactly and is to be feared.
How can you truly love and be in fear at the same time? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: *Jentle*
Love and fear are not mutally exclusive. See a parent child relationship - and how a parent will correct the child, and the child must fear the parent in a healthy sense to mature. unfortunately, these days, parental rights to spanking for example are removed by the liberals, and look at the kids today! LOL |
| *Jentle*
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User ID: 222817
9/19/2009 3:18 AM
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It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
.
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc... Quoting: Blakey 759954
Seems like god does not keep his own commandments if he can just wipe out a whole civilization on a whim. Can't you see how flawed the bible is?
If at first you don't succeed, perhaps failure is more your style. |
| Blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:19 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
We are not under the Old Testament laws now.
Where do you get this idea? Quoting: Preacher Bob
From Pauls letters in the bible. The OT laws were given 'for transgressions' and christ solved that problem.
ie we are not under the law now, but christ. that does NOT mean we can go live like the devil |
| percentage1
User ID: 774442
9/19/2009 3:20 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
.
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc... Quoting: Blakey 759954
What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based. |
| Energy
User ID: 745210
9/19/2009 3:26 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
is it true that (according to the bible)if you are not a christian, you won't be accepted into heaven?
i know that god is forgiving and understanding. it just seems silly. Quoting: Energy
i think all the negativity caused my Q to be overlooked. i'm very curious though. i've heard if you do not accept jesus in your heart, then you will not be allowed in heaven. so hell? |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 771809
9/19/2009 3:28 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
.
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...
What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based. Quoting: percentage1 774442
The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
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| blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:29 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
is it true that (according to the bible)if you are not a christian, you won't be accepted into heaven?
i know that god is forgiving and understanding. it just seems silly.
i think all the negativity caused my Q to be overlooked. i'm very curious though. i've heard if you do not accept jesus in your heart, then you will not be allowed in heaven. so hell? Quoting: Energy
Yes its hell for that person. Hell is a real physical place as is Heaven.
Now, interestingly, we do not 'choose' christ but its the other way around so according to the bible 'no one can boast' of having earned it.
There are many mysterious passages about that, such as
'no one can ascend to heaven without first having come from heaven.' - Christ |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 609135
9/19/2009 3:30 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Can't you see how flawed the bible is? Quoting: *Jentle*
Exactly...If "meshing" with God's spirit is required to "understand" the Bible, with actions as these initiated, demonstrated and recorded by "God" himself, what is the nature of this "meshing"? Apparently, blind faith...
Id agree -one needs to read the Bible with heart and mind, however when you do, THINGS ARE NOT AS ADVERTISED (!)
Something very dark may be hiding behind all the good intentions which dramatically resembles DECEPTION... |
| J
User ID: 773992
9/19/2009 3:30 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why does God hate me? |
| Energy
User ID: 745210
9/19/2009 3:33 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771809
it's also another thing to come on a positive thread, which intends to clear up some the bibles questions, and make a negative post. we are so sorry that you are so superior to have the true understanding of the bible, all us normal folk just can't compare to your holiness. we bow down. |
| blakey
User ID: 759954 (OP)
9/19/2009 3:33 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
.
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...
What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.
The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771809
Check this out:
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron? |
| percentage1
User ID: 774442
9/19/2009 3:33 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.
Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.
.
Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?
really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.
Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...
What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.
The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 771809
Revelation... to reveal... was written over a thousand years after christ. it's a plan in plain sight. Even an atheist like me, sees what the plan is. A plan, doesn't matter what it is, is a plan. Most don't have a plan. Revelation is a plan. Judaism is working on it. |
| Anonymous Coward
User ID: 771809
9/19/2009 3:34 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Writing "G"od and "J"esus are a sign of respect as opposed to writing "gods" The word "gods" in the Bible refer to fallen angels who act out their own will and who do not represent God at all.
God has all authority in power and we show respect of Him when we capitalize His holy Name.
. |
| Blakey
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9/19/2009 3:35 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
Why does God hate me? Quoting: J 773992
He would not hate you unless you are so depraved that he writes you off.
I doubt you are by asking that question. |
| The Professor
User ID: 660063
9/19/2009 3:35 AM | | Re: I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity | Quote |
I also know the Bible well, having studied it for over 50 years. I am amazed that Christians rely on Biblical prophecy to prove the divinity of Christ. Contrary to what these Christians say, there are not thousands, or even hundreds of actual Old Testament prophecies of Christ. In fact there is not even one! I could debunk each and every purported prophecy, but I will only give one example at this time. The prophecy of the virgin birth has been considered by Christianity to be the gem of all prophesies, yet a greater fraud has never been inflicted upon the gullible masses.
Here is Matthew's reference to the alleged prophecy:
“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:21-23, KJV).
Now ALL Christians agree that the alleged Old Testament prophecy of the version birth was recorded in Isiah, Chapter 7, verse 14. Here, for your information and amusement, is the verse in complete context, with the critical verse highlighted:
“And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.
Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field; And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:
Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.
Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings” (Isaiah 7:1-16. KJV, emphasis my own).
Now, read the above verses carefully, and you will see that it is impossible for the quoted verses to apply in any way to the Christ. It is clear that the “virgin birth” was a sign given to King Ahaz (King of Judah) to assure him that his country would not be ravaged by Rezin (King of Syria) and Pekah (King of Israel). Now, when used in the above quoted passage, a sign means a portentous incident or event; a presage, an indication or warning of a future occurrence (an omen), or more simple put: a present demonstration given to assure a future act. Since the virgin birth was a sign given to King Ahaz, it is fundamental and beyond the possibility of debate that the prophesied birth had to occur during the life of King Ahaz. A sign cannot be given to a dead man. At this point, I think it is appropriate for me to add: DUH!!!!
Now both Biblical history and conventional history record that King Ahaz lived and died about 700 years prior to the birth of Christ (you should already know this). Thus the virgin birth prophesied in Isaiah (which was to be a sign given to King Ahaz) occurred seven centuries prior to the birth of Christ. Christians thus must make a choice: either their was no messianic prophecy in Isaiah, or there was such a prophecy, but the messiah – who was of necessity born during the lifetime of King Ahaz – was not the Christ, and Christians have been deifying the wrong dude!
OK, you Christians: explain to me and the rest of us how the birth of Jesus could possibly have been a sign given to King Ahaz seeing as how the King had been decomposing for 700 years prior to the birth stories recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.
Finally, if by some insane and dishonest manipulation of the English language, a case can be made that the prophecy in Isaiah applied to Jesus, I really must know why the remainder of the prophesy would not also apply, specifically these words: “Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” Can any of you Christians tell me when Jesus, the son of God, was unable to know to refuse the evil and choose the good???
The Gem of the all prophesies turns out to be neither a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. It is cheap glass, easily shattered. The other purported messianic prophesies are of equal or lesser value.
Here is what early American patriot Thomas Payne said about Bible prophecies in general, and Isiah
7:14 in particular:
“.In the following treatise I have examined all the passages in the New Testament, quoted from the Old, and so-called prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, and I find no such thing as a prophecy of any such person, and I deny there are any...I have given chapter and verse for everything I have said, and I have not gone outside of the books of the Old and New Testament for evidence that the passages are not prophecies of the person called Jesus Christ” (Thomas Paine, The Life and Works of Pain, vol. 9, p. 206).
“I have now, reader, gone through and examined all the passages which the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, quote from the Old Testament and call them prophecies of Jesus Christ. When I first sat down to this examination, I expected to find cause for some censure, but little did I expect to find them so utterly destitute of truth, and all pretensions to is, as I have shown them to be” (Pain, The Theological Works of Thomas Paine, p. 258).
“This passage is in Isaiah 7:14 and the writer of the book of Matthew endeavors to make his readers believe that this passage is a prophecy of the person Jesus Christ. It is no such thing” (ibid, p. 229). |
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