I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity

Please Explain this scripture !! Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.


It was a Jewish belief that said the angels came and stirred the water in the pool of Beththesda and the 1st one in the pool would be healed of what so ever was wrong with him.

What sort of pool was it ? Why couldn't the the man roll into the pool ! Now you use the word stirred and king James called it troubled ! Was the angel in the water or other ??


My apologies. I have gave you a quick answer. Allow me to elaborabe for you.

John 5:1-3
"After this there was a feast of the Jews and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of ipotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water, whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had".

The fourth verse is not in the better manuscripts. That does not mean I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures, because I do! I only say that to let you know that we should heed scholarship, fundamental scholarship which says that it was not in the better manuscripts.



The bolded statement is not true. The King James Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

There are no errors, only misunderstandings and misinterpretations.

What about "nephilim"....where do you believe they came from?



Who are the “sons of God”?

Who were the Nephilim?

Genesis 6

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There are many different beliefs about the “Sons of God”. One of the reasons for the misunderstandings on this subject is the fact that the bible is specifically written to give an understanding about the things of earth and a few things about the heavens. Information about the sons of God is heavenly knowledge and not earthly knowledge. God has chosen to give this information concerning the sons of God to me.

In considering who the sons of God are as mentioned in Genesis 6, there are two things to pay attention to. The first is the fact that the phrase "sons of God" in the Old Testament is no different than the same phrase in the new testament. We were not ever told to separate the meaning of these words between the Old and the New Testaments. Yet many do so blindly. In the Old Testament we are told in the book of Job that there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves to God. They presented themselves to give a report of their work. We learn that Satan also showed up at this meeting to give his report. Remember these were sons of God. We are also informed in Genesis 6 that the sons of God saw that the daughters of MEN were fair and took them as wives. Some want to say that these sons of God were angels and others want to call them the children of Seth. However they are neither. For they were truly sons of God in the same way that John said that we have been given the power to become the sons of God. Before I bring you to the conclusion of this statement we need to examine the second thing I mentioned we need to consider. This second thing is a statement made by Jesus that gives a hint to who the sons of God are. Jesus says in John 14:2 “In my Father's house there are many mansions. If it were no so I would have told you.” Why would Jesus need to say “if it were not so I would have told you”? Now look again at what was “so” according to Jesus. What was “so” was the fact that there were many mansions in the Father’s house. We view a mansion as a large house, however we would do better to consider a mansion as a place of habitation or residence. Unfortunately many think that in the Father’s house that there is only one mansion or place of residency, and they also think that the one and only mansion or place of residency is the mansion or place of residency called Earth. But Jesus said that in the Father’s house (which by the way is the UNIVERSE) there are many mansions. Jesus further says that if earth was the only mansion (place of residence) He would have told us “so”. Jesus is saying here that I never told you that this is the only place where there is a residence (mansion) or a place for people to live. Unfortunately we make that assumption based upon a misunderstanding of Genesis 1:1. However when Genesis says that in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth it means just that, all that is in the HEAVENS and (or including) the Earth. The problem is because of the fall of Satan, some mansions like earth became victims of sin and some did not become victims of the disease called sin. Those mansions where there is sin have need of a Savior called Jesus. Those mansions where there is no sin, already know that Jesus is God in the flesh and they assist God in His planned workings for the Universe or His house.

Now if we place both pieces of information together then we have a better picture of who the sons of God were that are mentioned in Genesis 6. Sons of God are human beings who God has commissioned to come to this planet to assist Him in His planned working for this planet. They are from planets that have not been infected with sin or planets that were infected with sin but were able to recover through the blood of Jesus Christ who went to that planet and suffered and died their for their sake, and now they also have eternal life. That is why we read about them in the book of Job coming to present themselves before God to give a report of their work.

The job of the sons of God is to assist God in His planned working on the planets where there is sin. The sons of God who were assigned to earth were to assist God instead of becoming selfish and only consider their own wishes. In considering their own selfish desires instead of remaining committed to their commission they began to choose the women of earth (daughters of men) for mates. This was a violation of their directions and the mixing of the genetics was used by Satan to tamper with the genetics causing giants or what is known as the Nephilim to be created in the land. The Nephilim were the offspring created by the mating of the sons of God with the daughters of men and the tampering of the genes by Satan. Yes, even then Satan was tampering with genetics. Of course God fixed this problem by sending the flood of Noah's time. There are yet sons of God here on Earth today who report in to God. Many have already left because they know we are in the “End of Time” for this planet. You also through the redemptive power of Jesus Christ can be a son of God. Behold what manner or love the Father has bestowed upon us that we should be called the sons of God!!

Major and anybody else following this conversation, I want to put this out there.

Many people believe that the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden was a grape. The grape has huge significane throughout the scriptures, that is, the grape signifying blood. Many believe that when adam and eve ate the "grape" that not only did their spirits become disconnected from God, but their composition changed....causeing physical decay to begin.

If the angels ate the grapes (blood), could their composition have changed them too? After all, we are told they left their first "estate"......ad for that, were imprisoned.

To take this further with the nephilim, we also have the legends of many other worldly creatures, including vampires. I don't want to take this too far in this direction though, but I do want to poit out there is much to be said about the forbidden fruit and why it had the affects it did.......ad what could it mean to the angels who left their first estate............

Why did Jesus right his own wrongs instead of God?

Thanks for the reply Major and ruotsher, I've been telling myself and others for years now that proof of "God" or a creator is all around us and also inside us.

I do seek God with my heart, soul, and mind, I am a truthseeker, I only got this far by asking why so I'm not ready to stop dissenting and fall in line by accepting a figure (Jesus) who I have almost no doubt was real and good but whose message may well be skewed and used by the money makers you mentioned.

Besides that, the whole idea of Biblical Hell with its various eternal punishments and suffering has always seemed far fetched to me, why would God want to banish any of his "children" to Hell or should I say "sheol" ;) Why not let nature take its course, I think good would triumph either way.

Better yet, how does a God that should be infallible end up creating an angel (Satan) that causes us to sin and therefore go through a constant struggle. Couldn't God have just done away with Satan the minute he realized he was evil instead of burdening us with this "test" of life?

Way to many questions, not enough answers

Damn that free will...


I have a scenario for you to consider.

Someone who rejects God, rejects His love, rejects any knowledge or acknowledgement of Him, makes that decision on their own. Agreed?

So when they die, they don't journey on to heaven, the abode of the God they rejected. Instead, they have an eternity to look forward to without the God they denied here on earth.

Say hell is NOT a lake of fire spoken of in the scriptures, but is instead an eternal existance without God.

Since everything good comes from God, life without God would be when every good thing does not exist. No love, no light, no hop, no joy, no compassion, no truth.. no peace.

This instead, would be a reality of hate, darkness, despair, suffering, cruelty, lies and fighting.

Is that scenario more appealing?

I guess the point I am trying to make is whether it's eternal fire, or it's the above, why would anybody choose hell over eternal salvation with God?

Why did Jesus right his own wrongs instead of God?


I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Why did Jesus right his own wrongs instead of God?

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.

Please Explain this scripture !! Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.


It was a Jewish belief that said the angels came and stirred the water in the pool of Beththesda and the 1st one in the pool would be healed of what so ever was wrong with him.

What sort of pool was it ? Why couldn't the the man roll into the pool ! Now you use the word stirred and king James called it troubled ! Was the angel in the water or other ??


My apologies. I have gave you a quick answer. Allow me to elaborabe for you.

John 5:1-3
"After this there was a feast of the Jews and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of ipotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water, whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had".

The fourth verse is not in the better manuscripts. That does not mean I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures, because I do! I only say that to let you know that we should heed scholarship, fundamental scholarship which says that it was not in the better manuscripts.



The bolded statement is not true. The King James Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

There are no errors, only misunderstandings and misinterpretations.


We agree my friend, I promise you that.
But I only posted what is correct. ALL of the oldest manuscripts were copied without the latter part of verse 3 and all of verse 4. I did not say a agree just that is is a matter of fact.

It is very easy to find that out.

Why did Jesus right his own wrongs instead of God?


I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?

Why did Jesus right his own wrongs instead of God?


I don't understand the question, can you elaborate?


If God was his father, why didn't he show him more respect instead of righting his own wrongs? Jesus' qualities included stealing, destruction, disobedience to law, yet he kept forgiving himself instead of asking God. He does pray to God, but mostly for either revenge or forgiveness. Polar extremes, imo, when he's taking things and such without any thought about it whatsoever.

So, why didn't he consult more or at least ask god.

my questions are very clear








BUT WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID ABOVE

how can jesus say its alright to gather stick on the sabbath when God in Bible directly said one who does this should be killed ?

"
the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man who gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34. And they put him in custody, because it was not told what should be done to him.
35. And the Lord said to Moses, The man shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."

numbers 15





Brother ,

you hide from my questions


This is from the Holy spirit

A=1, Z=26


Christian church=111= empty prayer= false gods faith



a belief in jesus=138= empty beliefs

Jesus=74=Lucifer=coveted=I covet=shame man=cross=harlot
this is not just a matter of coincidence





and you think you have "Holy Spirit"


This is Holy spirit


Lord God of Host=Torah (in Hebrew)
Secret of Isreal=Torah

see more and the math at




[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]


some ignore the facts and only want to believe what ever !



it wont just go away !



Numbers 23:19
GOD is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.
For I am GOD, and not man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come in wrath.

GOD clearly states that he IS NOT a man or a son of man.
Kinda debunks the whole Christ story, doesn't it?
Why would GOD clearly say he is NOT A MAN and then come down as a man (Jesus) to fulfill foretold prophecy?
Makes no sense at all!

No matter how you twist this around, one thing will always be certain The Roman Vatican-Jesus is not GOD

The Violent Side of Jesus

Matthew 10:34-35
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—

***That contradicts the Old Testament prophecy that the messiah was suppose to bring world peace. Regardless, what kind of sick person would turn families against each other?***

Luke 19:27
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

***I'm guessing they don't read this verse in church very often, do they?***

Matthew 15:1-7
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

***Jesus was advocating that those who curse their mother or father be put to death? WOW! And Jesus made the stingy remark all because the pharisee asked why his disciples didn't wash their hands!?***

Matthew 5:29-30
29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

***So Jesus wants us to gouge our eyes out and cut off our right hands when we sin?***

Matthew 8:21-22
21Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." 22But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

***A very insensitive remark I'd say!***


“Lest you corrupt yourselves, and make you an engraved image, the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,” (Deut 4:16)

“To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other beside him.” (“ :35)

“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make any engraved image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth; “ (5:7-8)


Preacher man whom claims to have the spirit !

You asked for questions I give them to you and all you can do is insult me

you will have to better than that

Either Jesus is what you believe or a great deception

A=1, Z=26


Christian church=111= empty prayer= false gods faith



a belief in jesus=138= empty beliefs

there is a God he runs the world and these numbers are not chance occurrences

Look at the questions Mr. Preacher man and you may learn something very important

God is God.






when will the answers come ?


Here they come!!!!!

BUT you ask way to may questions at one time. Is this ADD in action.

ONE (1) question at a time. No one can or will follow all the stuff you listed. So, your first was about Jesus and pick up sticks on the Sabbath.

I assume you mean Matthew 12:1-8 which is about plucking corn to eat not sticks. Sticks were in Numbers 15 as you listed. Well, you might not like it but here is the answer:

Gathering sticks in itself is not wrong. It could be for the purpose of providing a fire for warmth of cooking. The problem is that a man was deliberately and flagrantly gathering sticks in the open on the Sabbath day when God had commanded that no work be done on the Sabbath. This was a direct challenge to God's authority.

(Exodus 31:14) - "Therefore you are to observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people."

Apparently, this was the first public offense against the newly revealed law of God. It was, essentially, being tested. Therefore, the severity of the punishment was to demonstrate to all of Israel the necessity of obeying the Law of God.

Thus strictly enforced discipline was absolutely necessary lest open anarchy take place.

Jesus in responding to the Pharisees legalistic traditions Jesus used the example of 1 Samuel 21:1-6. The point being that our Lord makes is that in the case of necessity the "ceremonial law" can be overruled.He used the example of David eating the SHOWBREAD in the tabernacle.



Your right I dont like the answer as it does not adress the issue or any of the questions involved. see here :

In Matt. 12:1-7, is recorded an episode relating to Jesus’s observance of the holy Sabbath. Now G-d has commanded in His Torah (Ex. 31:15), “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” We remember the episode of the man who went out and picked up sticks on the Sabbath and that he was put to death (ref. Num. 15:32- 36). What then is Jesus’s relationship with regards to the Sabbath, to the Word of G-d and the authority of the Divinely ordained Rabbinic judges. Let us review Matt. 12:1-7.

“At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grain fields and his disciples,became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and ate. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” But he said to them, “have you not read what David did . . . how he entered the house of G-d, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat . . . or have you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and
are innocent? But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means, I desire compassion and not sacrifice you would not have condemned the innocent.”

This section is so full of errors that it broadly broadcasts Jesus’s lack of Torah education and knowledge of G-d’s laws. To begin with, it is surprising to note that Jesus’s disciples were not learned enough to know that the picking of grain on the Sabbath was a violation of Biblical law. Jesus should have taught them better, but judging from his response to the Pharisees, it might be understood that Jesus, himself, did not know the law.

When the Pharisees noticed Jesus’s disciples violating the Sabbath, they fulfilled their Biblical obligation of admonishment, as it is written, “You shall reprove your fellow and do not bear sin because of him” (Lev. 19:17). Instead of heeding the Rabbinic authorities and correcting their ways, like Jesus said should be done (Matt. 23:3 “therefore all that they tell you do and observe”) he instead attempts to justify the actions of his disciples and to challenge the authority of the Rabbis.

Jesus makes reference to the Biblical story of David (1Sam. 21:4-6), saying how when he (David) was hungry the priests gave him and his men to eat of consecrated bread. Therefore, if it is OK for the law to be broken for David, then surely it is OK for the law to be broken for Jesus’s disciples.

This response of Jesus makes no sense in light of Jewish law. You see, the priests did not violate the law in giving the bread to David and his men. Anyone can research this law and see for yourselves that what the priests did was entirely allowable. Therefore, when Jesus declared, “they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat”, he was dead wrong in his analogy.

Jesus then attempts another analogy to justify their sinful behavior. He references the priests in the temple who “break the Sabbath, and are innocent.” One with the least knowledge of Torah law knows that temple sacrifice was commanded by G-d to be performed on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9-10). It involves no violation of the law.

It is not a violation of the Sabbath, it is the fulfillment of Sabbath law. Both of the
rationalizations that Jesus uses to justify his violation of the Torah law, instead of
justifying his position, further condemns his actions. However, the worst is yet to come. Jesus quotes the prophet Hoshea 6:6, “I desire compassion and not sacrifice.” Is this supposed to imply that G-d simply wants the Jewish people to be compassionate and that the observance of Jewish law is a sacrifice and thus not important?

Is it not written “My Sabbaths you must observe for it is a sign between Me and you for your generations” (Ex. 31:13) and “Between Me and the children of Israel it is a sign forever” (Ex. 31:16). Does something that is “forever” and “for your generations” come to an end? Did G-d, Himself not say, “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” (Ex. 31:15)?

Instead of accepting the admonishment of the Rabbinic Sages, which we have no reason to doubt was offered in good faith, Jesus contradicts himself, and denies the authority and admonition of the Rabbis. By his own actions and words, Jesus not only violated the Sabbath, but he also refused to accept the authority of the Rabbinic judge, which he, himself says must be listened to.

Jesus violated the Sabbath and so did his disciples. Jesus displayed an appalling lack of knowledge of the Torah and acted with contempt towards the Rabbis whose job it was to admonish him, a job which Jesus, himself, acknowledges. And so, I ask you, are these the deeds of a messiah?

There are yet many episodes that conclusively show Jesus violating G-d’s command outlined in Deut. 17:11, “you shall not deviate from the word that they will tell you, right or left.”



Hello again my friend.

You asked about many things and I gave you the answer to your concerns over Matthew 12 and Jesus speaking on the disciples picking corn on the sabbath as it related to Exodus 31:15.

I in fact gave you what I believe was the correct and Biblical answer and as I suspected, you rejected it.
Now that answer was not my opinion. That answer came from the many, professors I have studied under along with the COMPLETE Bible and the direction of the Holy Spirit.

I am looking right now on my library shelf of some of those mens contrubution to higher learning and if I may say, can I suggest that you read some of them:
Dr. Edward Dobson, Dr. Charles L. Feinburg. Professor Edward Hinson, Dr. John Walvoord. J. Vernon MaGee, Oliver B. Green. The Bible.

That being said lets think for a minute WHY you would reject the answer.I can think of only two.

1. You do not have a relationship with Jesus as your Savior.

2. You are of the Jewish faith.

I do not want to assume anything but it appears that you are maybe both. I am not calling you names nor am I degrading you in any way. Only making an observation.
If it helps you I will tell you that I am a Christian, I love the Lord Jesus and understand Him to be the Christ, the Messiah and soon coming again Judge of all people. I AM PROUD for all to know that as well you should be of what YOU CHOOSE to be. That is all I am trying to say.

Now, if that is the case, I do not believe that you will accept ANY Biblical answer to your questions. It appears to me that you are more concerned in tying to prove what you have rejected than trying to learn the truth.

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies and contentions and striving about the LAW, for they are unprofitable and vain."

2 Timothy 2:23
"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do cause strifes."

1 Timothy 1:4
"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies which minister questions rather than godly edifying which is in faith, so do".

Now you will probably take offence at what I just said, but to tell you the truth, I simply do not have the time or energy to argue about nonessentials. We are living in a world that is on fire. We have people being filled in Afganistan, Iraq, and terrortists are blowing up women and children. Cancer is killing hundreds of thousands of people yearly. There are estimated to be 22 million people infected world wide with HIV virus and the swine flu is killing people every day, and you are concerned about STICKS AND CORN BEING PICKED UP ON THE SABBETH. I have a feeling that when Jesus was asked about this, He felt the same way I do about it now. NOTHING!!! FOCUS! LIFE!

We need to FOCUS on the important things in life.

If you still want an answer to a question, LIST ONE (1) BIBLE VERSE AND YOUR QUESTION. Lets agree to get away from the rambling and going from one thought to another, OK.

Reading of the Bible under the leading of the Holy Spirit (which is imputed unto you through repentance and trust in Jesus Christ) is absolutely essential to understand the Holy Scriptures.

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.


That's it? that's all you have to offer? Where's YHVH's love in your condescending comments? I don't see it.

yes, and?

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

I'd like to understand your reasoning for calling me a baby Christian and your accusation of me mixing lost teachings and feeding my "divine revelation" to people...

Care to elaborate?

Hello OP. Your thoughts on the daughters of Zion, please.

Peace to you. Have faith in love and in each other.


Jerusalem.

Major and anybody else following this conversation, I want to put this out there.

Many people believe that the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden was a grape. The grape has huge significane throughout the scriptures, that is, the grape signifying blood. Many believe that when adam and eve ate the "grape" that not only did their spirits become disconnected from God, but their composition changed....causeing physical decay to begin.

If the angels ate the grapes (blood), could their composition have changed them too? After all, we are told they left their first "estate"......ad for that, were imprisoned.

To take this further with the nephilim, we also have the legends of many other worldly creatures, including vampires. I don't want to take this too far in this direction though, but I do want to poit out there is much to be said about the forbidden fruit and why it had the affects it did.......ad what could it mean to the angels who left their first estate............


As I have said before, we must understand what the Bible says, not what we think it says or what we want it to say.

Genesis 2:16
"And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, of every tree of the garden thou can freely eat."

3:1
"Yea hath God sai, ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden".

3:2
"We may eat of the fruit of the tress of the garden".

The Biblical answer is that no one knowes. For all we know it was apples, oranges, etc. It was FRUIT. could it have been grapes. Certainly. But to say that it is, is to ADD to the Word of God and that my friend is exactly what Eve did that indroduced the sin that now dams our souls.

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.

AC789396, are you Jewish?

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.


Say.......................did you just insult me???