I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity

yes, and?

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

I'd like to understand your reasoning for calling me a baby Christian and your accusation of me mixing lost teachings and feeding my "divine revelation" to people...

Care to elaborate?

You won't have an answer for this question.

Why is it only documented that Jesus was at the temple with his mentors at age 12 and then bam! nothing about his life until he was 33?

Missing years here . . . . .

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.

You won't have an answer for this question.

Why is it only documented that Jesus was at the temple with his mentors at age 12 and then bam! nothing about his life until he was 33?

Missing years here . . . . .




and your point is?

You won't have an answer for this question.

Why is it only documented that Jesus was at the temple with his mentors at age 12 and then bam! nothing about his life until he was 33?

Missing years here . . . . .




and your point is?


Matthew 3:13-14
He and Joseph and Mary went to Egypt.

What was Jesus's mission on earth, and did He succeed?

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.



Dear 789418,

It is so nice of you to add your thoughts and comments. They are profound and well thought out. I for one am so glad you are here so that I can glem some insights from you.

Boy, that sounds rather nasty doesn't it.

Ignore what I said!!! I will start over and be good.

You are 100% correct, if you were referring to me, YOU could have said MAJOR because it is my name, instead of calling me a baby Christian.

But that is OK too. A baby Christian is a good thing. I have 5 grandbabies and they are GOOD babies so you know what that means.........they took after ME!!!!
Now that was funny and you know it!!!!

No really, THANKS for the tune up. I am exactly what you said.

"The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators."

It was Presbyterian though, not Methodist.
I'm not quite sure about the TARBELL thing, but all the rest, you got me. I am what I am and DAM proud of it my friend, and you can call me those things any time you want to.

The voice of literal interpretation is the voice of the child.

How sad these babes in Christ study carnal interpretation and believe themselves to be knowledgable. How terribly, terribly sad. The rapture cult, Baptist/Methodist/ Seminary,Tarbell Sermon/Charles Stanley/Vernon McGee crowd of baby food regurgitators.

Then comes the extra-Biblical mixers whose ability to understand scripture is exactly the same..but these babies mix "lost teachings" then feed their "divine revelation" to people sickened by lost sheep of organized "Christianity".

..and the atheists come to laugh..never to know the supernatural power of the supernatural word. You can google carnal understanding..but you will have to be sealed with the mind of Christ to find profound life-giving understanding in a spiritual book written by a omniscient Spirit God.


That's it? that's all you have to offer? Where's YHVH's love in your condescending comments? I don't see it.

Also, I think this information is pertinent to this thread:

ARE WE (HUMANS) THE ONLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM IN THE UNIVERSE?

This question has been asked by many and contemplated perhaps by all. I will answer this question by using definitions that will be revealing.

Angels – A life form created by God before any other life forms were created. Their Job is to assist God in the Universe with all His planned workings. They were for the most part created on one planet (a planet that would eventually become used by God to create all other planets in the Universe through what is commonly known as the “big bang”). They were created before all other life form or creatures because they would provide protection and assistance to all of creation all over the Universe as the Guardians of the Universe. They are Universal beings and not planetary and therefore do not live on planets but reside in the Universe. Angels were created to live eternally without the need for a soul. They were created with both physical and spiritual capabilities and can transit within both realms. In certain parts of the Universe the Angels prefer to remain in the spiritual form to prevent the humans in their ignorance from worshiping them. In areas where this ignorance does not abound, they don’t mind being physically seen. Angels were not created with reproductive abilities and have no organs or systems for such. Due to the work they do there numbers are beyond human understanding. Other names for this life form include “Morning Stars” (more of a reference to physical make up of their bodies) and “Stars” (symbolism in prophecy). As with all of God’s creations of high intellect they were created with free will. Physically angels are very tall (tall as skyscrapers) and can move swiftly at speeds faster than the speed of light. Angels can travel about 100,000 light years in 30 seconds.

Humans - The second created life form of high intellect by God. Humans are planetary beings and were not created to live beyond the firmament (atmosphere) of a planet without assistance. Humans live on planets ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE. This is not commonly known but will eventually be seen by many that will be provided the opportunity to travel the Universe when they are found worthy to do so. Humans here on Earth were created in two stages. The first stage was known as Cro-Magnon man and the final stage was called Adam. The Adamic stage was provided with a soul to allow for eternal life in the event humanity (Adam) failed in any way. This differed from the Angels in that the Angels were created with all knowledge to better assist God and had no reason to fail and therefore needed no soul. Humans were created with all information they would need embedded within their DNA. However this knowledge for now due to a sickness here on Earth cannot be tapped into by the Human brain (of which Humans of planet Earth only use a small percentage of due to this sickness). On other planets where there is no sickness, the Humans there use almost 100% of their brains. Earth is one of the areas of sickness that causes the Angels for the most part to remain unseen. Other names for Humans include “Mankind”, “Children of God”, “daughters of men”, and “Sons of God”. All Humans are called “Children of God”, but only a few on this planet will eventually achieve the position of “Sons of God”. Sons of God is the name given to humans who either have never been sick (all over the Universe) or have been cured or delivered from the sickness that planets like Earth have fallen victims to. There are “sons of God” from other Godly planets who are here on the planet (on assignment) to assist the infected humans who are struggling to become cured. Also, early on in the history of this planet, some of the “sons of God” here on assignment mated with the daughters of men in error and made it possible for the fallen Angels to alter human genetics and bring forth beings that were giants also know as Nephilim. Though some believe in error that the Nephilim still exists, they were ALL destroyed in the flood along with those disobedient sons of God. Some of the disobedient sons of God though were taken as slaves by the fallen Angels at the flood.

Fallen Angels - Are Angels (see Angels above) who decided through free will to rebel against their Creator/God/Jesus and took sides with the original first created Angel named Satan who through free will had done things against the will of God. Satan was the FIRST fallen Angel and the others who followed him were given the same designation. There were about a third of all of the Universal Angels who fell and “left their first estate” or first position as Holy Angels of God. These fallen Angels were cast down from their heavenly positions (positions in the heavens) and were cast down positionally to a state of existence called hell and they have all remained in that position of hell since that time. Though they have been stripped of much of their power, in comparison to Humans of Earth, they are very powerful. Most of them were allowed to maintain their physical and spiritual capabilities. Some were stripped of their physical capabilities because of their continual insubordinate actions and can only be relegated to the spiritual realm (demons, entities). Fallen Angels also can no longer travel as fast as the Angels that did not fall. The Angels who did not fall can travel 60 times faster than those that fell. The fallen Angels have no souls just like other Angels and soon after their fall discovered that they can now die physically (become demons only or entities), and have sought to mimic God’s creation of children through the only way possible for them since they don’t copulate; a procedure called cloning. This cloning brings us to the final life form of high intellect …………….. ALIENS. Other names for fallen Angels include Satan, Lucifer, Devil, Demons and Aliens.

Aliens – Are clones from PHYSICAL fallen Angels (see fallen Angels) and are comparable to their parents. They are drones without free will with a hive mentality. All Aliens are clones and each level of alien clones, clones itself. This way there appears to be many so called species of aliens though they all are from the same fallen Angel framework and are also categorized as “Fallen Angels”. They also are very powerful by makeup and technology; however they are not powerful enough to not have the need for vessels to assist their travel within the universe. These vessels are known by Humans of Earth as UFOs and are produced off planet as their restrictions require (this does not mean that there are not UFO vessels created by Humans upon the planet in an attempt to advance their own human technology). Fallen Angels and Aliens are all over the Universe but they are restricted from traveling far from the Solar System where they resided when they fell from their first estate. Wherever they were when they fell is where they are imprisoned under sort of a “HOUSE ARREST” but it is not a house but a Solar System ARREST. They are allow to send messages to their comrades (other fallen Angels on other sickly planets) in other parts of the Universe via Satan who is the only fallen Angel allowed to travel the entire Universe in order to oversee all fallen Angels.

Entities – Are spirits of Angels or fallen Angels that are attached to a physical existence other than their original body to perform a specific purpose. It is very rare when an Angel does this as this method is mostly used by the fallen Angels. Since there are both good and bad Entities you are able to protect yourself in these matters by paying attention to the direction in which the Entity is leading you. If not in the direction of God then one must be very careful. If you suspect the goals of the entity you will need to understand that only Godliness will confess that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and that it (the Entity) as a Godly entity follows such understanding.

In conclusion the sickness I have been referring to in my definitions is called “SIN”. It is a disease that humans of earth do not correctly understand. VERY soon, the Alien/fallen Angel clones will be showing themselves in our skies in an effort to deceive Humanity of earth in regards to the truth about them. At that time there will be no invasion, just a showing! That showing of these beings will be enough to shock the world and those who are not aware of this deception. We are on the threshold of this event and at its onset this planet will never be the same. It will be the end of the world as we knew it. You will quickly see the affects it will have on every aspect of society. I warn all to prepare and be aware of what is standing at the door even now.
Thanks for reading……………………………..

Last Edited by TRAINED FOR THIS on 3/21/2009 at 9:31 PM

How do you ask for a miracle?

Got it!!







Please Explain this scripture !! Joh 5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.


It was a Jewish belief that said the angels came and stirred the water in the pool of Beththesda and the 1st one in the pool would be healed of what so ever was wrong with him.

What sort of pool was it ? Why couldn't the the man roll into the pool ! Now you use the word stirred and king James called it troubled ! Was the angel in the water or other ??


My apologies. I have gave you a quick answer. Allow me to elaborabe for you.

John 5:1-3
"After this there was a feast of the Jews and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of ipotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water. For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool and troubled the water, whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had".

The fourth verse is not in the better manuscripts. That does not mean I do not believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures, because I do! I only say that to let you know that we should heed scholarship, fundamental scholarship which says that it was not in the better manuscripts.



The bolded statement is not true. The King James Bible is the inerrant Word of God.

There are no errors, only misunderstandings and misinterpretations.


We agree my friend, I promise you that.
But I only posted what is correct. ALL of the oldest manuscripts were copied without the latter part of verse 3 and all of verse 4. I did not say a agree just that is is a matter of fact.

It is very easy to find that out.


I was disagreeing with the qualifier "better" - as in "The fourth verse is not in the better manuscripts." There is no better manuscript. KJV is inerrant. (I used to read the NIV, NKJV, NASB, Living Bible, etc....God corrected me, praise Him.)

How do you ask for a miracle?

Also, I think this information is pertinent to this thread:

ARE WE (HUMANS) THE ONLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM IN THE UNIVERSE?

This question has been asked by many and contemplated perhaps by all. I will answer this question by using definitions that will be revealing.

Angels – A life form created by God before any other life forms were created. Their Job is to assist God in the Universe with all His planned workings. They were for the most part created on one planet (a planet that would eventually become used by God to create all other planets in the Universe through what is commonly known as the “big bang”). They were created before all other life form or creatures because they would provide protection and assistance to all of creation all over the Universe as the Guardians of the Universe. They are Universal beings and not planetary and therefore do not live on planets but reside in the Universe. Angels were created to live eternally without the need for a soul. They were created with both physical and spiritual capabilities and can transit within both realms. In certain parts of the Universe the Angels prefer to remain in the spiritual form to prevent the humans in their ignorance from worshiping them. In areas where this ignorance does not abound, they don’t mind being physically seen. Angels were not created with reproductive abilities and have no organs or systems for such. Due to the work they do there numbers are beyond human understanding. Other names for this life form include “Morning Stars” (more of a reference to physical make up of their bodies) and “Stars” (symbolism in prophecy). As with all of God’s creations of high intellect they were created with free will. Physically angels are very tall (tall as skyscrapers) and can move swiftly at speeds faster than the speed of light. Angels can travel about 100,000 light years in 30 seconds.

Humans - The second created life form of high intellect by God. Humans are planetary beings and were not created to live beyond the firmament (atmosphere) of a planet without assistance. Humans live on planets ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE. This is not commonly known but will eventually be seen by many that will be provided the opportunity to travel the Universe when they are found worthy to do so. Humans here on Earth were created in two stages. The first stage was known as Cro-Magnon man and the final stage was called Adam. The Adamic stage was provided with a soul to allow for eternal life in the event humanity (Adam) failed in any way. This differed from the Angels in that the Angels were created with all knowledge to better assist God and had no reason to fail and therefore needed no soul. Humans were created with all information they would need embedded within their DNA. However this knowledge for now due to a sickness here on Earth cannot be tapped into by the Human brain (of which Humans of planet Earth only use a small percentage of due to this sickness). On other planets where there is no sickness, the Humans there use almost 100% of their brains. Earth is one of the areas of sickness that causes the Angels for the most part to remain unseen. Other names for Humans include “Mankind”, “Children of God”, “daughters of men”, and “Sons of God”. All Humans are called “Children of God”, but only a few on this planet will eventually achieve the position of “Sons of God”. Sons of God is the name given to humans who either have never been sick (all over the Universe) or have been cured or delivered from the sickness that planets like Earth have fallen victims to. There are “sons of God” from other Godly planets who are here on the planet (on assignment) to assist the infected humans who are struggling to become cured. Also, early on in the history of this planet, some of the “sons of God” here on assignment mated with the daughters of men in error and made it possible for the fallen Angels to alter human genetics and bring forth beings that were giants also know as Nephilim. Though some believe in error that the Nephilim still exists, they were ALL destroyed in the flood along with those disobedient sons of God. Some of the disobedient sons of God though were taken as slaves by the fallen Angels at the flood.

Fallen Angels - Are Angels (see Angels above) who decided through free will to rebel against their Creator/God/Jesus and took sides with the original first created Angel named Satan who through free will had done things against the will of God. Satan was the FIRST fallen Angel and the others who followed him were given the same designation. There were about a third of all of the Universal Angels who fell and “left their first estate” or first position as Holy Angels of God. These fallen Angels were cast down from their heavenly positions (positions in the heavens) and were cast down positionally to a state of existence called hell and they have all remained in that position of hell since that time. Though they have been stripped of much of their power, in comparison to Humans of Earth, they are very powerful. Most of them were allowed to maintain their physical and spiritual capabilities. Some were stripped of their physical capabilities because of their continual insubordinate actions and can only be relegated to the spiritual realm (demons, entities). Fallen Angels also can no longer travel as fast as the Angels that did not fall. The Angels who did not fall can travel 60 times faster than those that fell. The fallen Angels have no souls just like other Angels and soon after their fall discovered that they can now die physically (become demons only or entities), and have sought to mimic God’s creation of children through the only way possible for them since they don’t copulate; a procedure called cloning. This cloning brings us to the final life form of high intellect …………….. ALIENS. Other names for fallen Angels include Satan, Lucifer, Devil, Demons and Aliens.

Aliens – Are clones from PHYSICAL fallen Angels (see fallen Angels) and are comparable to their parents. They are drones without free will with a hive mentality. All Aliens are clones and each level of alien clones, clones itself. This way there appears to be many so called species of aliens though they all are from the same fallen Angel framework and are also categorized as “Fallen Angels”. They also are very powerful by makeup and technology; however they are not powerful enough to not have the need for vessels to assist their travel within the universe. These vessels are known by Humans of Earth as UFOs and are produced off planet as their restrictions require (this does not mean that there are not UFO vessels created by Humans upon the planet in an attempt to advance their own human technology). Fallen Angels and Aliens are all over the Universe but they are restricted from traveling far from the Solar System where they resided when they fell from their first estate. Wherever they were when they fell is where they are imprisoned under sort of a “HOUSE ARREST” but it is not a house but a Solar System ARREST. They are allow to send messages to their comrades (other fallen Angels on other sickly planets) in other parts of the Universe via Satan who is the only fallen Angel allowed to travel the entire Universe in order to oversee all fallen Angels.

Entities – Are spirits of Angels or fallen Angels that are attached to a physical existence other than their original body to perform a specific purpose. It is very rare when an Angel does this as this method is mostly used by the fallen Angels. Since there are both good and bad Entities you are able to protect yourself in these matters by paying attention to the direction in which the Entity is leading you. If not in the direction of God then one must be very careful. If you suspect the goals of the entity you will need to understand that only Godliness will confess that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and that it (the Entity) as a Godly entity follows such understanding.

In conclusion the sickness I have been referring to in my definitions is called “SIN”. It is a disease that humans of earth do not correctly understand. VERY soon, the Alien/fallen Angel clones will be showing themselves in our skies in an effort to deceive Humanity of earth in regards to the truth about them. At that time there will be no invasion, just a showing! That showing of these beings will be enough to shock the world and those who are not aware of this deception. We are on the threshold of this event and at its onset this planet will never be the same. It will be the end of the world as we knew it. You will quickly see the affects it will have on every aspect of society. I warn all to prepare and be aware of what is standing at the door even now.
Thanks for reading……………………………..

Last Edited by TRAINED FOR THIS on 3/21/2009 at 9:31 PM


Now, you are serious, right. I mean this is not a plot or something for a new TV series. It sounds like something From Ron Hubbard.

Tell you what I'll do. You list the Bible verses that support your conclusions on ET's, Alian's etc and I will respond to your thoughts.

But you got to admitt, it would make a great movie...right!!!

my questions are very clear








BUT WHAT DOES IT HAVE TO DO WITH WHAT I SAID ABOVE

how can jesus say its alright to gather stick on the sabbath when God in Bible directly said one who does this should be killed ?

"
the people of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man who gathered sticks upon the sabbath day.
33. And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation.
34. And they put him in custody, because it was not told what should be done to him.
35. And the Lord said to Moses, The man shall be surely put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp."

numbers 15





Brother ,

you hide from my questions


This is from the Holy spirit

A=1, Z=26


Christian church=111= empty prayer= false gods faith



a belief in jesus=138= empty beliefs

Jesus=74=Lucifer=coveted=I covet=shame man=cross=harlot
this is not just a matter of coincidence





and you think you have "Holy Spirit"


This is Holy spirit


Lord God of Host=Torah (in Hebrew)
Secret of Isreal=Torah

see more and the math at




[link to godssecret.wordpress.com]


some ignore the facts and only want to believe what ever !



it wont just go away !



Numbers 23:19
GOD is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?

Hosea 11:9
I will not carry out my fierce anger,
nor will I turn and devastate Ephraim.
For I am GOD, and not man—
the Holy One among you.
I will not come in wrath.

GOD clearly states that he IS NOT a man or a son of man.
Kinda debunks the whole Christ story, doesn't it?
Why would GOD clearly say he is NOT A MAN and then come down as a man (Jesus) to fulfill foretold prophecy?
Makes no sense at all!

No matter how you twist this around, one thing will always be certain The Roman Vatican-Jesus is not GOD

The Violent Side of Jesus

Matthew 10:34-35
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her motherinlaw—

***That contradicts the Old Testament prophecy that the messiah was suppose to bring world peace. Regardless, what kind of sick person would turn families against each other?***

Luke 19:27
"But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-—bring them here and kill them in front of me."

***I'm guessing they don't read this verse in church very often, do they?***

Matthew 15:1-7
1Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2"Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!"

3Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you:

***Jesus was advocating that those who curse their mother or father be put to death? WOW! And Jesus made the stingy remark all because the pharisee asked why his disciples didn't wash their hands!?***

Matthew 5:29-30
29If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

***So Jesus wants us to gouge our eyes out and cut off our right hands when we sin?***

Matthew 8:21-22
21Another disciple said to him, "Lord, first let me go and bury my father." 22But Jesus told him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."

***A very insensitive remark I'd say!***


“Lest you corrupt yourselves, and make you an engraved image, the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female,” (Deut 4:16)

“To you it was shown, that you might know that the Lord is God; there is no other beside him.” (“ :35)

“You shall have no other gods before me. You shall not make any engraved image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth; “ (5:7-8)


Preacher man whom claims to have the spirit !

You asked for questions I give them to you and all you can do is insult me

you will have to better than that

Either Jesus is what you believe or a great deception

A=1, Z=26


Christian church=111= empty prayer= false gods faith



a belief in jesus=138= empty beliefs

there is a God he runs the world and these numbers are not chance occurrences

Look at the questions Mr. Preacher man and you may learn something very important

God is God.






when will the answers come ?


Here they come!!!!!

BUT you ask way to may questions at one time. Is this ADD in action.

ONE (1) question at a time. No one can or will follow all the stuff you listed. So, your first was about Jesus and pick up sticks on the Sabbath.

I assume you mean Matthew 12:1-8 which is about plucking corn to eat not sticks. Sticks were in Numbers 15 as you listed. Well, you might not like it but here is the answer:

Gathering sticks in itself is not wrong. It could be for the purpose of providing a fire for warmth of cooking. The problem is that a man was deliberately and flagrantly gathering sticks in the open on the Sabbath day when God had commanded that no work be done on the Sabbath. This was a direct challenge to God's authority.

(Exodus 31:14) - "Therefore you are to observe the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people."

Apparently, this was the first public offense against the newly revealed law of God. It was, essentially, being tested. Therefore, the severity of the punishment was to demonstrate to all of Israel the necessity of obeying the Law of God.

Thus strictly enforced discipline was absolutely necessary lest open anarchy take place.

Jesus in responding to the Pharisees legalistic traditions Jesus used the example of 1 Samuel 21:1-6. The point being that our Lord makes is that in the case of necessity the "ceremonial law" can be overruled.He used the example of David eating the SHOWBREAD in the tabernacle.



Your right I dont like the answer as it does not adress the issue or any of the questions involved. see here :

In Matt. 12:1-7, is recorded an episode relating to Jesus’s observance of the holy Sabbath. Now G-d has commanded in His Torah (Ex. 31:15), “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” We remember the episode of the man who went out and picked up sticks on the Sabbath and that he was put to death (ref. Num. 15:32- 36). What then is Jesus’s relationship with regards to the Sabbath, to the Word of G-d and the authority of the Divinely ordained Rabbinic judges. Let us review Matt. 12:1-7.

“At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grain fields and his disciples,became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and ate. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” But he said to them, “have you not read what David did . . . how he entered the house of G-d, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat . . . or have you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and
are innocent? But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means, I desire compassion and not sacrifice you would not have condemned the innocent.”

This section is so full of errors that it broadly broadcasts Jesus’s lack of Torah education and knowledge of G-d’s laws. To begin with, it is surprising to note that Jesus’s disciples were not learned enough to know that the picking of grain on the Sabbath was a violation of Biblical law. Jesus should have taught them better, but judging from his response to the Pharisees, it might be understood that Jesus, himself, did not know the law.

When the Pharisees noticed Jesus’s disciples violating the Sabbath, they fulfilled their Biblical obligation of admonishment, as it is written, “You shall reprove your fellow and do not bear sin because of him” (Lev. 19:17). Instead of heeding the Rabbinic authorities and correcting their ways, like Jesus said should be done (Matt. 23:3 “therefore all that they tell you do and observe”) he instead attempts to justify the actions of his disciples and to challenge the authority of the Rabbis.

Jesus makes reference to the Biblical story of David (1Sam. 21:4-6), saying how when he (David) was hungry the priests gave him and his men to eat of consecrated bread. Therefore, if it is OK for the law to be broken for David, then surely it is OK for the law to be broken for Jesus’s disciples.

This response of Jesus makes no sense in light of Jewish law. You see, the priests did not violate the law in giving the bread to David and his men. Anyone can research this law and see for yourselves that what the priests did was entirely allowable. Therefore, when Jesus declared, “they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat”, he was dead wrong in his analogy.

Jesus then attempts another analogy to justify their sinful behavior. He references the priests in the temple who “break the Sabbath, and are innocent.” One with the least knowledge of Torah law knows that temple sacrifice was commanded by G-d to be performed on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9-10). It involves no violation of the law.

It is not a violation of the Sabbath, it is the fulfillment of Sabbath law. Both of the
rationalizations that Jesus uses to justify his violation of the Torah law, instead of
justifying his position, further condemns his actions. However, the worst is yet to come. Jesus quotes the prophet Hoshea 6:6, “I desire compassion and not sacrifice.” Is this supposed to imply that G-d simply wants the Jewish people to be compassionate and that the observance of Jewish law is a sacrifice and thus not important?

Is it not written “My Sabbaths you must observe for it is a sign between Me and you for your generations” (Ex. 31:13) and “Between Me and the children of Israel it is a sign forever” (Ex. 31:16). Does something that is “forever” and “for your generations” come to an end? Did G-d, Himself not say, “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” (Ex. 31:15)?

Instead of accepting the admonishment of the Rabbinic Sages, which we have no reason to doubt was offered in good faith, Jesus contradicts himself, and denies the authority and admonition of the Rabbis. By his own actions and words, Jesus not only violated the Sabbath, but he also refused to accept the authority of the Rabbinic judge, which he, himself says must be listened to.

Jesus violated the Sabbath and so did his disciples. Jesus displayed an appalling lack of knowledge of the Torah and acted with contempt towards the Rabbis whose job it was to admonish him, a job which Jesus, himself, acknowledges. And so, I ask you, are these the deeds of a messiah?

There are yet many episodes that conclusively show Jesus violating G-d’s command outlined in Deut. 17:11, “you shall not deviate from the word that they will tell you, right or left.”



Hello again my friend.

You asked about many things and I gave you the answer to your concerns over Matthew 12 and Jesus speaking on the disciples picking corn on the sabbath as it related to Exodus 31:15.

I in fact gave you what I believe was the correct and Biblical answer and as I suspected, you rejected it.
Now that answer was not my opinion. That answer came from the many, professors I have studied under along with the COMPLETE Bible and the direction of the Holy Spirit.

I am looking right now on my library shelf of some of those mens contrubution to higher learning and if I may say, can I suggest that you read some of them:
Dr. Edward Dobson, Dr. Charles L. Feinburg. Professor Edward Hinson, Dr. John Walvoord. J. Vernon MaGee, Oliver B. Green. The Bible.

That being said lets think for a minute WHY you would reject the answer.I can think of only two.

1. You do not have a relationship with Jesus as your Savior.

2. You are of the Jewish faith.

I do not want to assume anything but it appears that you are maybe both. I am not calling you names nor am I degrading you in any way. Only making an observation.
If it helps you I will tell you that I am a Christian, I love the Lord Jesus and understand Him to be the Christ, the Messiah and soon coming again Judge of all people. I AM PROUD for all to know that as well you should be of what YOU CHOOSE to be. That is all I am trying to say.

Now, if that is the case, I do not believe that you will accept ANY Biblical answer to your questions. It appears to me that you are more concerned in tying to prove what you have rejected than trying to learn the truth.

Titus 3:9
"But avoid foolish disputes and genealogies and contentions and striving about the LAW, for they are unprofitable and vain."

2 Timothy 2:23
"But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do cause strifes."

1 Timothy 1:4
"Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies which minister questions rather than godly edifying which is in faith, so do".

Now you will probably take offence at what I just said, but to tell you the truth, I simply do not have the time or energy to argue about nonessentials. We are living in a world that is on fire. We have people being filled in Afganistan, Iraq, and terrortists are blowing up women and children. Cancer is killing hundreds of thousands of people yearly. There are estimated to be 22 million people infected world wide with HIV virus and the swine flu is killing people every day, and you are concerned about STICKS AND CORN BEING PICKED UP ON THE SABBETH. I have a feeling that when Jesus was asked about this, He felt the same way I do about it now. NOTHING!!! FOCUS! LIFE!

We need to FOCUS on the important things in life.

If you still want an answer to a question, LIST ONE (1) BIBLE VERSE AND YOUR QUESTION. Lets agree to get away from the rambling and going from one thought to another, OK.



Thank you for your thought and the time


Faith is not blind is is a power that has a basis in intellect and transcends it


I hope you are open enough to think about what others say
and consider their wisdom

The issues I raise concerning Jesus and the Sabbath violation are credible issues and questions concerning Jesus and worthy of concideration.

I Know and believe in the God[/b

as far as religion , I tend to follow that of the Bible and other truth , but this god man jesus thing makes no sense it seems to contradict many important things in the Bible itself ?



Like these points :

In Matt. 12:1-7, is recorded an episode relating to Jesus’s observance of the holy Sabbath. Now G-d has commanded in His Torah (Ex. 31:15), “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” We remember the episode of the man who went out and picked up sticks on the Sabbath and that he was put to death (ref. Num. 15:32- 36). What then is Jesus’s relationship with regards to the Sabbath, to the Word of G-d and the authority of the Divinely ordained Rabbinic judges. Let us review Matt. 12:1-7.

“At that time Jesus went on the Sabbath through the grain fields and his disciples,became hungry and began to pick the heads of grain and ate. But when the Pharisees saw it, they said to him, “Behold, your disciples do what is not lawful to do on a Sabbath.” But he said to them, “have you not read what David did . . . how he entered the house of G-d, and they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat . . . or have you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple break the Sabbath, and
are innocent? But I say to you that something greater than the temple is here. But if you had known what this means, I desire compassion and not sacrifice you would not have condemned the innocent.”

This section is so full of errors that it broadly broadcasts Jesus’s lack of Torah education and knowledge of G-d’s laws. To begin with, it is surprising to note that Jesus’s disciples were not learned enough to know that the picking of grain on the Sabbath was a violation of Biblical law. Jesus should have taught them better, but judging from his response to the Pharisees, it might be understood that Jesus, himself, did not know the law.

When the Pharisees noticed Jesus’s disciples violating the Sabbath, they fulfilled their Biblical obligation of admonishment, as it is written, “You shall reprove your fellow and do not bear sin because of him” (Lev. 19:17). Instead of heeding the Rabbinic authorities and correcting their ways, like Jesus said should be done (Matt. 23:3 “therefore all that they tell you do and observe”) he instead attempts to justify the actions of his disciples and to challenge the authority of the Rabbis.

Jesus makes reference to the Biblical story of David (1Sam. 21:4-6), saying how when he (David) was hungry the priests gave him and his men to eat of consecrated bread. Therefore, if it is OK for the law to be broken for David, then surely it is OK for the law to be broken for Jesus’s disciples.

This response of Jesus makes no sense in light of Jewish law. You see, the priests did not violate the law in giving the bread to David and his men. Anyone can research this law and see for yourselves that what the priests did was entirely allowable. Therefore, when Jesus declared, “they ate the consecrated bread, which was not lawful for him to eat”, he was dead wrong in his analogy.

Jesus then attempts another analogy to justify their sinful behavior. He references the priests in the temple who “break the Sabbath, and are innocent.” One with the least knowledge of Torah law knows that temple sacrifice was commanded by G-d to be performed on the Sabbath (Num. 28:9-10). It involves no violation of the law.

It is not a violation of the Sabbath, it is the fulfillment of Sabbath law. Both of the
rationalizations that Jesus uses to justify his violation of the Torah law, instead of
justifying his position, further condemns his actions. However, the worst is yet to come. Jesus quotes the prophet Hoshea 6:6, “I desire compassion and not sacrifice.” Is this supposed to imply that G-d simply wants the Jewish people to be compassionate and that the observance of Jewish law is a sacrifice and thus not important?

Is it not written “My Sabbaths you must observe for it is a sign between Me and you for your generations” (Ex. 31:13) and “Between Me and the children of Israel it is a sign forever” (Ex. 31:16). Does something that is “forever” and “for your generations” come to an end? Did G-d, Himself not say, “whoever does work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death.” (Ex. 31:15)?

Instead of accepting the admonishment of the Rabbinic Sages, which we have no reason to doubt was offered in good faith, Jesus contradicts himself, and denies the authority and admonition of the Rabbis. By his own actions and words, Jesus not only violated the Sabbath, but he also refused to accept the authority of the Rabbinic judge, which he, himself says must be listened to.

Jesus violated the Sabbath and so did his disciples. Jesus displayed an appalling lack of knowledge of the Torah and acted with contempt towards the Rabbis whose job it was to admonish him, a job which Jesus, himself, acknowledges. And so, I ask you, are these the deeds of a messiah?

There are yet many episodes that conclusively show Jesus violating G-d’s command outlined in Deut. 17:11, “you shall not deviate from the word that they will tell you, right or left.”

Dont think you are above these questions

God in the time to come will reveal who his messiah is until then , His identity does not matter now is the time to try to abstain from evil and help others to do so

and do good

Dont worry God will choose his Messiah in its time
peace

Hello OP. Your thoughts on the daughters of Zion, please.

Peace to you. Have faith in love and in each other.


Jerusalem.


Is that good or bad?

Peace to you. Have faith in love and in each other.

You won't have an answer for this question.

Why is it only documented that Jesus was at the temple with his mentors at age 12 and then bam! nothing about his life until he was 33?

Missing years here . . . . .




and your point is?


Matthew 3:13-14
He and Joseph and Mary went to Egypt.


I think they were trying to prove a point of deficiency in the Bible.

Also, I think this information is pertinent to this thread:

ARE WE (HUMANS) THE ONLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM IN THE UNIVERSE?

This question has been asked by many and contemplated perhaps by all. I will answer this question by using definitions that will be revealing.

Angels – A life form created by God before any other life forms were created. Their Job is to assist God in the Universe with all His planned workings. They were for the most part created on one planet (a planet that would eventually become used by God to create all other planets in the Universe through what is commonly known as the “big bang”). They were created before all other life form or creatures because they would provide protection and assistance to all of creation all over the Universe as the Guardians of the Universe. They are Universal beings and not planetary and therefore do not live on planets but reside in the Universe. Angels were created to live eternally without the need for a soul. They were created with both physical and spiritual capabilities and can transit within both realms. In certain parts of the Universe the Angels prefer to remain in the spiritual form to prevent the humans in their ignorance from worshiping them. In areas where this ignorance does not abound, they don’t mind being physically seen. Angels were not created with reproductive abilities and have no organs or systems for such. Due to the work they do there numbers are beyond human understanding. Other names for this life form include “Morning Stars” (more of a reference to physical make up of their bodies) and “Stars” (symbolism in prophecy). As with all of God’s creations of high intellect they were created with free will. Physically angels are very tall (tall as skyscrapers) and can move swiftly at speeds faster than the speed of light. Angels can travel about 100,000 light years in 30 seconds.

Humans - The second created life form of high intellect by God. Humans are planetary beings and were not created to live beyond the firmament (atmosphere) of a planet without assistance. Humans live on planets ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE. This is not commonly known but will eventually be seen by many that will be provided the opportunity to travel the Universe when they are found worthy to do so. Humans here on Earth were created in two stages. The first stage was known as Cro-Magnon man and the final stage was called Adam. The Adamic stage was provided with a soul to allow for eternal life in the event humanity (Adam) failed in any way. This differed from the Angels in that the Angels were created with all knowledge to better assist God and had no reason to fail and therefore needed no soul. Humans were created with all information they would need embedded within their DNA. However this knowledge for now due to a sickness here on Earth cannot be tapped into by the Human brain (of which Humans of planet Earth only use a small percentage of due to this sickness). On other planets where there is no sickness, the Humans there use almost 100% of their brains. Earth is one of the areas of sickness that causes the Angels for the most part to remain unseen. Other names for Humans include “Mankind”, “Children of God”, “daughters of men”, and “Sons of God”. All Humans are called “Children of God”, but only a few on this planet will eventually achieve the position of “Sons of God”. Sons of God is the name given to humans who either have never been sick (all over the Universe) or have been cured or delivered from the sickness that planets like Earth have fallen victims to. There are “sons of God” from other Godly planets who are here on the planet (on assignment) to assist the infected humans who are struggling to become cured. Also, early on in the history of this planet, some of the “sons of God” here on assignment mated with the daughters of men in error and made it possible for the fallen Angels to alter human genetics and bring forth beings that were giants also know as Nephilim. Though some believe in error that the Nephilim still exists, they were ALL destroyed in the flood along with those disobedient sons of God. Some of the disobedient sons of God though were taken as slaves by the fallen Angels at the flood.

Fallen Angels - Are Angels (see Angels above) who decided through free will to rebel against their Creator/God/Jesus and took sides with the original first created Angel named Satan who through free will had done things against the will of God. Satan was the FIRST fallen Angel and the others who followed him were given the same designation. There were about a third of all of the Universal Angels who fell and “left their first estate” or first position as Holy Angels of God. These fallen Angels were cast down from their heavenly positions (positions in the heavens) and were cast down positionally to a state of existence called hell and they have all remained in that position of hell since that time. Though they have been stripped of much of their power, in comparison to Humans of Earth, they are very powerful. Most of them were allowed to maintain their physical and spiritual capabilities. Some were stripped of their physical capabilities because of their continual insubordinate actions and can only be relegated to the spiritual realm (demons, entities). Fallen Angels also can no longer travel as fast as the Angels that did not fall. The Angels who did not fall can travel 60 times faster than those that fell. The fallen Angels have no souls just like other Angels and soon after their fall discovered that they can now die physically (become demons only or entities), and have sought to mimic God’s creation of children through the only way possible for them since they don’t copulate; a procedure called cloning. This cloning brings us to the final life form of high intellect …………….. ALIENS. Other names for fallen Angels include Satan, Lucifer, Devil, Demons and Aliens.

Aliens – Are clones from PHYSICAL fallen Angels (see fallen Angels) and are comparable to their parents. They are drones without free will with a hive mentality. All Aliens are clones and each level of alien clones, clones itself. This way there appears to be many so called species of aliens though they all are from the same fallen Angel framework and are also categorized as “Fallen Angels”. They also are very powerful by makeup and technology; however they are not powerful enough to not have the need for vessels to assist their travel within the universe. These vessels are known by Humans of Earth as UFOs and are produced off planet as their restrictions require (this does not mean that there are not UFO vessels created by Humans upon the planet in an attempt to advance their own human technology). Fallen Angels and Aliens are all over the Universe but they are restricted from traveling far from the Solar System where they resided when they fell from their first estate. Wherever they were when they fell is where they are imprisoned under sort of a “HOUSE ARREST” but it is not a house but a Solar System ARREST. They are allow to send messages to their comrades (other fallen Angels on other sickly planets) in other parts of the Universe via Satan who is the only fallen Angel allowed to travel the entire Universe in order to oversee all fallen Angels.

Entities – Are spirits of Angels or fallen Angels that are attached to a physical existence other than their original body to perform a specific purpose. It is very rare when an Angel does this as this method is mostly used by the fallen Angels. Since there are both good and bad Entities you are able to protect yourself in these matters by paying attention to the direction in which the Entity is leading you. If not in the direction of God then one must be very careful. If you suspect the goals of the entity you will need to understand that only Godliness will confess that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and that it (the Entity) as a Godly entity follows such understanding.

In conclusion the sickness I have been referring to in my definitions is called “SIN”. It is a disease that humans of earth do not correctly understand. VERY soon, the Alien/fallen Angel clones will be showing themselves in our skies in an effort to deceive Humanity of earth in regards to the truth about them. At that time there will be no invasion, just a showing! That showing of these beings will be enough to shock the world and those who are not aware of this deception. We are on the threshold of this event and at its onset this planet will never be the same. It will be the end of the world as we knew it. You will quickly see the affects it will have on every aspect of society. I warn all to prepare and be aware of what is standing at the door even now.
Thanks for reading……………………………..

Last Edited by TRAINED FOR THIS on 3/21/2009 at 9:31 PM


Now, you are serious, right. I mean this is not a plot or something for a new TV series. It sounds like something From Ron Hubbard.

Tell you what I'll do. You list the Bible verses that support your conclusions on ET's, Alian's etc and I will respond to your thoughts.

But you got to admitt, it would make a great movie...right!!!


Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Those verses, just for starters...and I want to tell you, the long post is not my composition; it comes from a poster called 'Trained for This' - he has a website @ [link to pages.sbcglobal.net]
and he has many postings on this forum.

I recommend you check it out, check out the Scriptures he mentions, and ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

:)

How do you ask for a miracle?

You won't have an answer for this question.

Why is it only documented that Jesus was at the temple with his mentors at age 12 and then bam! nothing about his life until he was 33?

Missing years here . . . . .




and your point is?


Matthew 3:13-14
He and Joseph and Mary went to Egypt.


I think they were trying to prove a point of deficiency in the Bible.


Still waiting on an answer from you OP.

There are scores of books written on the "Missing years of Jesus Christ" so the idea of that is quite the point.

No priest, nun or clergy has been able to answer that question from me. Not that I need it. Just exchanging thoughts . . . I have read enough and listened to enough to give me satisfaction from other sources. None of which is based on Biblical information.

I was not hurling insults. Just trying to stimulate a thought.

Also, I think this information is pertinent to this thread:

ARE WE (HUMANS) THE ONLY HIGHLY INTELLIGENT LIFE FROM IN THE UNIVERSE?

This question has been asked by many and contemplated perhaps by all. I will answer this question by using definitions that will be revealing.

Angels – A life form created by God before any other life forms were created. Their Job is to assist God in the Universe with all His planned workings. They were for the most part created on one planet (a planet that would eventually become used by God to create all other planets in the Universe through what is commonly known as the “big bang”). They were created before all other life form or creatures because they would provide protection and assistance to all of creation all over the Universe as the Guardians of the Universe. They are Universal beings and not planetary and therefore do not live on planets but reside in the Universe. Angels were created to live eternally without the need for a soul. They were created with both physical and spiritual capabilities and can transit within both realms. In certain parts of the Universe the Angels prefer to remain in the spiritual form to prevent the humans in their ignorance from worshiping them. In areas where this ignorance does not abound, they don’t mind being physically seen. Angels were not created with reproductive abilities and have no organs or systems for such. Due to the work they do there numbers are beyond human understanding. Other names for this life form include “Morning Stars” (more of a reference to physical make up of their bodies) and “Stars” (symbolism in prophecy). As with all of God’s creations of high intellect they were created with free will. Physically angels are very tall (tall as skyscrapers) and can move swiftly at speeds faster than the speed of light. Angels can travel about 100,000 light years in 30 seconds.

Humans - The second created life form of high intellect by God. Humans are planetary beings and were not created to live beyond the firmament (atmosphere) of a planet without assistance. Humans live on planets ALL OVER THE UNIVERSE. This is not commonly known but will eventually be seen by many that will be provided the opportunity to travel the Universe when they are found worthy to do so. Humans here on Earth were created in two stages. The first stage was known as Cro-Magnon man and the final stage was called Adam. The Adamic stage was provided with a soul to allow for eternal life in the event humanity (Adam) failed in any way. This differed from the Angels in that the Angels were created with all knowledge to better assist God and had no reason to fail and therefore needed no soul. Humans were created with all information they would need embedded within their DNA. However this knowledge for now due to a sickness here on Earth cannot be tapped into by the Human brain (of which Humans of planet Earth only use a small percentage of due to this sickness). On other planets where there is no sickness, the Humans there use almost 100% of their brains. Earth is one of the areas of sickness that causes the Angels for the most part to remain unseen. Other names for Humans include “Mankind”, “Children of God”, “daughters of men”, and “Sons of God”. All Humans are called “Children of God”, but only a few on this planet will eventually achieve the position of “Sons of God”. Sons of God is the name given to humans who either have never been sick (all over the Universe) or have been cured or delivered from the sickness that planets like Earth have fallen victims to. There are “sons of God” from other Godly planets who are here on the planet (on assignment) to assist the infected humans who are struggling to become cured. Also, early on in the history of this planet, some of the “sons of God” here on assignment mated with the daughters of men in error and made it possible for the fallen Angels to alter human genetics and bring forth beings that were giants also know as Nephilim. Though some believe in error that the Nephilim still exists, they were ALL destroyed in the flood along with those disobedient sons of God. Some of the disobedient sons of God though were taken as slaves by the fallen Angels at the flood.

Fallen Angels - Are Angels (see Angels above) who decided through free will to rebel against their Creator/God/Jesus and took sides with the original first created Angel named Satan who through free will had done things against the will of God. Satan was the FIRST fallen Angel and the others who followed him were given the same designation. There were about a third of all of the Universal Angels who fell and “left their first estate” or first position as Holy Angels of God. These fallen Angels were cast down from their heavenly positions (positions in the heavens) and were cast down positionally to a state of existence called hell and they have all remained in that position of hell since that time. Though they have been stripped of much of their power, in comparison to Humans of Earth, they are very powerful. Most of them were allowed to maintain their physical and spiritual capabilities. Some were stripped of their physical capabilities because of their continual insubordinate actions and can only be relegated to the spiritual realm (demons, entities). Fallen Angels also can no longer travel as fast as the Angels that did not fall. The Angels who did not fall can travel 60 times faster than those that fell. The fallen Angels have no souls just like other Angels and soon after their fall discovered that they can now die physically (become demons only or entities), and have sought to mimic God’s creation of children through the only way possible for them since they don’t copulate; a procedure called cloning. This cloning brings us to the final life form of high intellect …………….. ALIENS. Other names for fallen Angels include Satan, Lucifer, Devil, Demons and Aliens.

Aliens – Are clones from PHYSICAL fallen Angels (see fallen Angels) and are comparable to their parents. They are drones without free will with a hive mentality. All Aliens are clones and each level of alien clones, clones itself. This way there appears to be many so called species of aliens though they all are from the same fallen Angel framework and are also categorized as “Fallen Angels”. They also are very powerful by makeup and technology; however they are not powerful enough to not have the need for vessels to assist their travel within the universe. These vessels are known by Humans of Earth as UFOs and are produced off planet as their restrictions require (this does not mean that there are not UFO vessels created by Humans upon the planet in an attempt to advance their own human technology). Fallen Angels and Aliens are all over the Universe but they are restricted from traveling far from the Solar System where they resided when they fell from their first estate. Wherever they were when they fell is where they are imprisoned under sort of a “HOUSE ARREST” but it is not a house but a Solar System ARREST. They are allow to send messages to their comrades (other fallen Angels on other sickly planets) in other parts of the Universe via Satan who is the only fallen Angel allowed to travel the entire Universe in order to oversee all fallen Angels.

Entities – Are spirits of Angels or fallen Angels that are attached to a physical existence other than their original body to perform a specific purpose. It is very rare when an Angel does this as this method is mostly used by the fallen Angels. Since there are both good and bad Entities you are able to protect yourself in these matters by paying attention to the direction in which the Entity is leading you. If not in the direction of God then one must be very careful. If you suspect the goals of the entity you will need to understand that only Godliness will confess that Jesus Christ is God in the flesh and that it (the Entity) as a Godly entity follows such understanding.

In conclusion the sickness I have been referring to in my definitions is called “SIN”. It is a disease that humans of earth do not correctly understand. VERY soon, the Alien/fallen Angel clones will be showing themselves in our skies in an effort to deceive Humanity of earth in regards to the truth about them. At that time there will be no invasion, just a showing! That showing of these beings will be enough to shock the world and those who are not aware of this deception. We are on the threshold of this event and at its onset this planet will never be the same. It will be the end of the world as we knew it. You will quickly see the affects it will have on every aspect of society. I warn all to prepare and be aware of what is standing at the door even now.
Thanks for reading……………………………..

Last Edited by TRAINED FOR THIS on 3/21/2009 at 9:31 PM


Now, you are serious, right. I mean this is not a plot or something for a new TV series. It sounds like something From Ron Hubbard.

Tell you what I'll do. You list the Bible verses that support your conclusions on ET's, Alian's etc and I will respond to your thoughts.

But you got to admitt, it would make a great movie...right!!!


Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.

Those verses, just for starters...and I want to tell you, the long post is not my composition; it comes from a poster called 'Trained for This' - he has a website @ [link to pages.sbcglobal.net]
and he has many postings on this forum.

I recommend you check it out, check out the Scriptures he mentions, and ask the Holy Spirit to "guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come." John 16:13

:)


OK, here we go........................

Matthew 24:24
"This verse has nothing to do with you today. It is Jesus speaking prophetically about the times in Israel during the Tribulation Peroid. It is directed toward those alive in Israel.

24:25
Jesus repeats what He said in verses 5-6.

If you are a Christian YOU WILL NOT BE HERE FOR THIS EVENT SO IT IS IRREVALENT. The Rapture removes believers before the Tribulation.

How do you ask for a miracle?



Anyone able to help?

How do you ask for a miracle?



Anyone able to help?


I hoped that someone would have helped, if you still can, thankyou

What was Jesus's mission on earth, and did He succeed?


To seek and save the lost.

Romans 3:23
"All have sinned and come shoert of the approval of God".

Yes He did. He died on the cross to make redemption psssible to all that will accept what He did for them.