I know the bible well - ask me a question that you have never understood about it or christianity

Writing "G"od and "J"esus are a sign of respect as opposed to writing "gods" The word "gods" in the Bible refer to fallen angels who act out their own will and who do not represent God at all.

God has all authority in power and we show respect of Him when we capitalize His holy Name.

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I also know the Bible well, having studied it for over 50 years. I am amazed that Christians rely on Biblical prophecy to prove the divinity of Christ. Contrary to what these Christians say, there are not thousands, or even hundreds of actual Old Testament prophecies of Christ. In fact there is not even one! I could debunk each and every purported prophecy, but I will only give one example at this time. The prophecy of the virgin birth has been considered by Christianity to be the gem of all prophesies, yet a greater fraud has never been inflicted upon the gullible masses.

Here is Matthew's reference to the alleged prophecy:

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us” (Matthew 1:21-23, KJV).

Now ALL Christians agree that the alleged Old Testament prophecy of the version birth was recorded in Isiah, Chapter 7, verse 14. Here, for your information and amusement, is the verse in complete context, with the critical verse highlighted:

“And it came to pass in the days of Ahaz the son of Jotham, the son of Uzziah, king of Judah, that Rezin the king of Syria, and Pekah the son of Remaliah, king of Israel, went up toward Jerusalem to war against it, but could not prevail against it. And it was told the house of David, saying, Syria is confederate with Ephraim. And his heart was moved, and the heart of his people, as the trees of the wood are moved with the wind.

Then said the LORD unto Isaiah, Go forth now to meet Ahaz, thou, and Shearjashub thy son, at the end of the conduit of the upper pool in the highway of the fuller's field; And say unto him, Take heed, and be quiet; fear not, neither be fainthearted for the two tails of these smoking firebrands, for the fierce anger of Rezin with Syria, and of the son of Remaliah. Because Syria, Ephraim, and the son of Remaliah, have taken evil counsel against thee, saying, Let us go up against Judah, and vex it, and let us make a breach therein for us, and set a king in the midst of it, even the son of Tabeal:

Thus saith the Lord GOD, It shall not stand, neither shall it come to pass. For the head of Syria is Damascus, and the head of Damascus is Rezin; and within threescore and five years shall Ephraim be broken, that it be not a people. And the head of Ephraim is Samaria, and the head of Samaria is Remaliah's son. If ye will not believe, surely ye shall not be established.

Moreover the LORD spake again unto Ahaz, saying, Ask thee a sign of the LORD thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the LORD. And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings” (Isaiah 7:1-16. KJV, emphasis my own).

Now, read the above verses carefully, and you will see that it is impossible for the quoted verses to apply in any way to the Christ. It is clear that the “virgin birth” was a sign given to King Ahaz (King of Judah) to assure him that his country would not be ravaged by Rezin (King of Syria) and Pekah (King of Israel). Now, when used in the above quoted passage, a sign means a portentous incident or event; a presage, an indication or warning of a future occurrence (an omen), or more simple put: a present demonstration given to assure a future act. Since the virgin birth was a sign given to King Ahaz, it is fundamental and beyond the possibility of debate that the prophesied birth had to occur during the life of King Ahaz. A sign cannot be given to a dead man. At this point, I think it is appropriate for me to add: DUH!!!!

Now both Biblical history and conventional history record that King Ahaz lived and died about 700 years prior to the birth of Christ (you should already know this). Thus the virgin birth prophesied in Isaiah (which was to be a sign given to King Ahaz) occurred seven centuries prior to the birth of Christ. Christians thus must make a choice: either their was no messianic prophecy in Isaiah, or there was such a prophecy, but the messiah – who was of necessity born during the lifetime of King Ahaz – was not the Christ, and Christians have been deifying the wrong dude!

OK, you Christians: explain to me and the rest of us how the birth of Jesus could possibly have been a sign given to King Ahaz seeing as how the King had been decomposing for 700 years prior to the birth stories recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke.


Finally, if by some insane and dishonest manipulation of the English language, a case can be made that the prophecy in Isaiah applied to Jesus, I really must know why the remainder of the prophesy would not also apply, specifically these words: “Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good. For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.” Can any of you Christians tell me when Jesus, the son of God, was unable to know to refuse the evil and choose the good???

The Gem of the all prophesies turns out to be neither a diamond nor even a cubic zirconia. It is cheap glass, easily shattered. The other purported messianic prophesies are of equal or lesser value.

Here is what early American patriot Thomas Payne said about Bible prophecies in general, and Isiah
7:14 in particular:

“.In the following treatise I have examined all the passages in the New Testament, quoted from the Old, and so-called prophecies concerning Jesus Christ, and I find no such thing as a prophecy of any such person, and I deny there are any...I have given chapter and verse for everything I have said, and I have not gone outside of the books of the Old and New Testament for evidence that the passages are not prophecies of the person called Jesus Christ” (Thomas Paine, The Life and Works of Pain, vol. 9, p. 206).

“I have now, reader, gone through and examined all the passages which the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, quote from the Old Testament and call them prophecies of Jesus Christ. When I first sat down to this examination, I expected to find cause for some censure, but little did I expect to find them so utterly destitute of truth, and all pretensions to is, as I have shown them to be” (Pain, The Theological Works of Thomas Paine, p. 258).

“This passage is in Isaiah 7:14 and the writer of the book of Matthew endeavors to make his readers believe that this passage is a prophecy of the person Jesus Christ. It is no such thing” (ibid, p. 229).

Why does God hate me?


He would not hate you unless you are so depraved that he writes you off.

I doubt you are by asking that question.

Writing "G"od and "J"esus are a sign of respect as opposed to writing "gods" The word "gods" in the Bible refer to fallen angels who act out their own will and who do not represent God at all.

God has all authority in power and we show respect of Him when we capitalize His holy Name.

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Why do we have the bible on earth but still have wars and hate and stuff?

Why do we have the bible on earth but still have wars and hate and stuff?

Why do we have the bible on earth but still have wars and hate and stuff?


god is evil.

It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.

Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.

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Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?

really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.

Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...


What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.



The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
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Check this out:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Why does God hate me?


He would not hate you unless you are so depraved that he writes you off.

I doubt you are by asking that question.

I don't understand what that means?

It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.

Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.

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Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?

really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.

Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...


What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.



The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
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Check this out:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?



Indeed, one is led of the Spirit when they are keeping the Ten Commandments, that is, the moral Law, and as such the Law does not find them guilty.

We are called to be holy and perfect, and one cannot do that without obeying God's holy Word. Jesus was our example in that He fully kept the Law.

It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.

Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.

.


Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?

really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.

Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...


What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.



The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
.


Check this out:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

Yes its hell for that person. Hell is a real physical place as is Heaven.

Now, interestingly, we do not 'choose' christ but its the other way around so according to the bible 'no one can boast' of having earned it.

There are many mysterious passages about that, such as

'no one can ascend to heaven without first having come from heaven.' - Christ

Why do we have the bible on earth but still have wars and hate and stuff?


The classic question - why is there evil if god exists. good. a worthy question...

It is because man is still unredeemed and god cannot just come in and override humanity - yet but that day is near actually - where he does come and literally removes evil people planet wide. there will be people here on earth, just like now, in the 1000 year millenium after christ returns, lots of interesting stuff on that

hmm something i've always wondered.

which people actually made it to heaven before Jesus?
any Jew that properly did all the needed sacrifices or was there more of a procedure?

Yes its hell for that person. Hell is a real physical place as is Heaven.

Now, interestingly, we do not 'choose' christ but its the other way around so according to the bible 'no one can boast' of having earned it.

There are many mysterious passages about that, such as

'no one can ascend to heaven without first having come from heaven.' - Christ



here is my problem; what about, say, a muslim. say that muslim dies. all that muslim ever did in his life was try to help mankind, his life was devoted to spreading love and peace. now, is god going to say, "sorry, even though you tried to do good things for people all of your life, and didn't have the opportunity to learn about christianity, you must now burn in hell for eternity"

i'm pretty sure god would understand. what do you think?

hmm something i've always wondered.

which people actually made it to heaven before Jesus?
any Jew that properly did all the needed sacrifices or was there more of a procedure?


There were people in the old days before christ who went to heaven too, but they were included in christs grace by god tho they did not know of christ yet. also the old testament actually wrote all about christ and prefigured him, so they were already 'signed up'...

It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.

Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.

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Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?

really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.

Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...


What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.



The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
.


Check this out:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?



Indeed, one is led of the Spirit when they are keeping the Ten Commandments, that is, the moral Law, and as such the Law does not find them guilty.

We are called to be holy and perfect, and one cannot do that without obeying God's holy Word. Jesus was our example in that He fully kept the Law.



Tell me what the'standard' for 'perfect' is? Please.

Why do we have the bible on earth but still have wars and hate and stuff?


The classic question - why is there evil if god exists. good. a worthy question...

It is because man is still unredeemed and god cannot just come in and override humanity - yet but that day is near actually - where he does come and literally removes evil people planet wide. there will be people here on earth, just like now, in the 1000 year millenium after christ returns, lots of interesting stuff on that


So wouldn't you say that the so called Jesus didn't fullfill his mission if he needs to come back?And
why only come back to Earth when they're are billions of othere planets out there.So is Jesus going too every planet
and dying for each planets so called sins?Think about it.

We are not under the Old Testament laws now.



Where do you get this idea?


From Pauls letters in the bible. The OT laws were given 'for transgressions' and christ solved that problem.

ie we are not under the law now, but christ. that does NOT mean we can go live like the devil

It's one thing to know the bible well, but it's another to understand it spiritually through the Holy Spirit. God says quite clearly throughout the entire Bible to keep the 10 commandments.

Also "God" is spelled with a capital G, and Christ with a capital C.

.


Really? a capital C eh? can you show me that in the bible, where it states that the name must be capitalized?

really, im not here to debate other so called christians I am merely offering what I understand. You can go open a thread on your views.

Did i ever say not to keep the 10 commandments? I take those as given. Would anyone disagree that murder is wrong? etc...


What...... are you talking about. Your 'understanding' of the old texts is irrelevant if faith based.



The New Testament is based on the old. God never changes, so His Laws are still in effect. He has NOT done away with them. Yeshua expounds on them as does Paul, and the book of Revelation shows very clearly that one absolutely MUST keep His 10 commandments. Jesus gave us grace but grace only covers repented sins. Deeds of unrepented sins are dutifully recorded in His books and must be judged.
.
.


Check this out:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Hbr 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need [was there] that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?



Indeed, one is led of the Spirit when they are keeping the Ten Commandments, that is, the moral Law, and as such the Law does not find them guilty.

We are called to be holy and perfect, and one cannot do that without obeying God's holy Word. Jesus was our example in that He fully kept the Law.



Tell me what the'standard' for 'perfect' is? Please.


That's easy - the 10 commandments.

We are not under the Old Testament laws now.



Where do you get this idea?


From Pauls letters in the bible. The OT laws were given 'for transgressions' and christ solved that problem.

ie we are not under the law now, but christ. that does NOT mean we can go live like the devil



Correct, But to whom does this apply?

Writing "G"od and "J"esus are a sign of respect as opposed to writing "gods" The word "gods" in the Bible refer to fallen angels who act out their own will and who do not represent God at all.

God has all authority in power and we show respect of Him when we capitalize His holy Name.

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'God has all authority in power'.. no it doesn't, what is it. you need help you human.