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The final verdict on NASA´s Apollo Missions: No. Here is why not and how they pulled it off

 
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Here, have a napkin. Finished?

Now watch and learn.
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Typical lame response when cornered.

Present some FACTS.
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Why is my cover-up scenario not possible?
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Who cares IF IT IS POSSIBLE.

Little green aliens from Mars are POSSIBLE.

PROVE that it happened, or it is only conjecture or your opinion.

BTW, having an opinion or theory is perfectly fine. But don't jump to the conclusion that it is a fact. You have to prove it.
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Why is my cover-up scenario not possible?

Who cares IF IT IS POSSIBLE.

Little green aliens from Mars are POSSIBLE.

PROVE that it happened, or it is only conjecture or your opinion.

BTW, having an opinion or theory is perfectly fine. But don't jump to the conclusion that it is a fact. You have to prove it.
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Where exactly did I state my cover-up scenario as fact?

Where exactly did you refute the scientific evidence presented with regards to cosmic radiation exposure outside Earth´s protective atmosphere?

Scenario: speculation as a said umpteen times before

Radiation: Fact. As backed by scientific evidence presented in the videos with references thereto.

What again must I prove to you? That you cannot handle a decent CT? Check the forum you are in.
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Are you serious? I hope you are joking... Evidence is presented in the videos above with references to scientific studies of the sun. Deep space is full of deadly radiation, even NASA admits this. Would you have watched the videos you would have known this and seen the NASA segments.

I presented her as a reference for those who are unaware of the mind control programs which have been practiced for decades.

As you seem too lazy yourself to do any research, here some video showing mind control program witnesses.







As far as Cathy O´ Brian is concerned, do you think she carved a demon face inside her vagina herself?

(Warning, graphic)


I highly recommend her eye opening book "the trance formation of america".

I have shown that several died, that is all. If I could prove they were assassinated I would not be posting in here.

That is your opinion, and I do respect that.
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The Astronauts were shielded by the materials used in construction of the ship as a whole. Their spacesuits were likewise shielded. Thus making the amount of radiation irrelevant, they were not directly exposed to it.

I bet your mind would blow, if I tried to explain why they painted everything white...LOL.

It's funny, you can (questionably) absorb all that material, yet refuse to when it comes to radiation shielding. And you call me a lazy researcher? LMAO.

It's also funny how you cite NASA themselves when they say space is full of radiation, but you won't cite their information about radiation shielding.
Double-standard? Hypocrite?

Just because one women claims that mind control exists and Astronauts exists. Does not mean that Astronauts were mind controlled.

That's like claiming, we have flight and Reindeer. So flying Reindeer must exist.

BTW, people have done far more shocking things to their bodies then just carve a demon in a vagina. That's hardly a blip on the "humans are messed up" radar. Well, within her capabilities.

As far as how the Astronauts died. You in your original post stated that they were terminated. Terminated = assassinated. Oh but you just said you would not be posting in here, but you did post that in here.

The reality of the Apollo missions is not my opinion, it is a proven fact.

Your fantasy scenario where Astronauts are mind controlled, but they need to be terminated, is the opinion.

Your fantasy scenario where the Astronauts had no protection from space, is the opinion.
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Where exactly did I state my cover-up scenario as fact?
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By stating that people opposing you, only had opinions. You are de facto claiming that your information is a fact.
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The Astronauts were shielded by the materials used in construction of the ship as a whole. Their spacesuits were likewise shielded. Thus making the amount of radiation irrelevant, they were not directly exposed to it.
 Quoting: Byteman


You are wrong. The installed shielding was not nearly enough to protect them from even medium dosages of radiation. Again, check the videos.

I bet your mind would blow, if I tried to explain why they painted everything white...LOL.
 Quoting: Byteman


Reflective properties? Try me.

It's also funny how you cite NASA themselves when they say space is full of radiation, but you won't cite their information about radiation shielding.
Double-standard? Hypocrite?
 Quoting: Byteman


It is all in the vids, I am not trying to hide anything.
The Apollo shielding was inadequate given the amount of radiation they would have been exposed to.

Just because one women claims that mind control exists and Astronauts exists. Does not mean that Astronauts were mind controlled.
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It it were just one woman you would probably be right. But you know that it is not just one woman so why even say this?

BTW, people have done far more shocking things to their bodies then just carve a demon in a vagina. That's hardly a blip on the "humans are messed up" radar. Well, within her capabilities.
 Quoting: Byteman


Nice try in discrediting the witness.


As far as how the Astronauts died. You in your original post stated that they were terminated. Terminated = assassinated. Oh but you just said you would not be posting in here, but you did post that in here.
 Quoting: Byteman


You lost me there. Did I state this as a fact or as speculation. Again why would you say this?

The reality of the Apollo missions is not my opinion, it is a proven fact.
 Quoting: Byteman


Anything that is scientifically impossible cannot be a proven fact.

Your fantasy scenario where Astronauts are mind controlled, but they need to be terminated, is the opinion.
 Quoting: Byteman


No, it is called a theory.

Your fantasy scenario where the Astronauts had no protection from space, is the opinion.
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I never said they had no protection from space. I stated that the radiation levels in deep space are of an order of magnitude that they would kill the astronauts. If you look at the shielding available to them at the time of the Apollo missions you will find these shieldings to be minimal. That is not even taking into account the VAB.
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Where exactly did I state my cover-up scenario as fact?


By stating that people opposing you, only had opinions. You are de facto claiming that your information is a fact.
 Quoting: Byteman


I never claimed such thing with regards to my scenario, again why would you say that?

I simply keep asking for a rebuttal with regards to the radiation levels in deep space preventing any human to go there unless fully shielded (I will add that for clarity).

If this is the best you Apollogists can do, then hey, it looks like I am onto something here...
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LMAO

Fine, let me debunk your precious video's.

Cosmic radiation.
Cosmic radiation is only a problem in deep space with LONG TERM EXPOSURE. No Apollo mission lasted long enough to be considered long term exposure.

Solar Particle events.
SPE's can be detected and the Astronauts could have easily sought that extra protection of their Spacesuits in addition to thicker shielded areas of the ship itself. Too bad for you, they didn't get affected by any SPE's.

Van Allen belts.
The ships used during Apollo only went through the edge of the Van Allen belts, and went through very quickly. The Astronauts simply weren't exposed long enough to them for it to matter.

Moon's surface.
The LM and the Astronauts spacesuits were shielded against radiation. Appropriate to the SHORT TERM amount of time any of them spent on the Moons surface.

Crazy theory about Astronauts being unable to survive in deep space.

DEBUNKED.
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I never claimed such thing with regards to my scenario, again why would you say that?

I simply keep asking for a rebuttal with regards to the radiation levels in deep space preventing any human to go there unless fully shielded (I will add that for clarity).

If this is the best you Apollogists can do, then hey, it looks like I am onto something here...
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Now your just moving the Goalposts and hiding behind semantics.

Ridiculous. loser
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Cosmic radiation is only a problem in deep space with LONG TERM EXPOSURE. No Apollo mission lasted long enough to be considered long term exposure.
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Really? I disagree because at the time of the Apollo program the Sun was highly active, reaching the peak of her 11-year cycle.


Solar Particle events.
SPE's can be detected and the Astronauts could have easily sought that extra protection of their Spacesuits in addition to thicker shielded areas of the ship itself. Too bad for you, they didn't get affected by any SPE's.
 Quoting: Byteman


The extra protection of their space suits? Really? Do you even know what these space suits were made of?

A few thin layers of aluminum and linen are not radiation protection, whatever NASA may label it.

Van Allen belts.
The ships used during Apollo only went through the edge of the Van Allen belts, and went through very quickly. The Astronauts simply weren't exposed long enough to them for it to matter.
 Quoting: Byteman


The edge? Where would that be in a spherical multi layer? Can you please draw me a picture? Maybe you mean they went through a thinner part (24.000 miles as opposed to the estimated 65.000 miles thickness at the equator).

They went through the belts at a 30º offset to the equator which would still put them in harms way.

Moon's surface.
The LM and the Astronauts spacesuits were shielded against radiation. Appropriate to the SHORT TERM amount of time any of them spent on the Moons surface.
 Quoting: Byteman


No, their space suits were no where near sufficiently shielded to protect them from the brutal radiation bombardments and enhanced radioactive interaction of the soil they were walking on. Any sufficient shielding would have rendered them immobile.



Crazy theory about Astronauts being unable to survive in deep space.
 Quoting: Byteman


If this is so crazy, why is NASA themselves so worried about the dangers of radiation (as opposed to ´69 where all was hunky dory?)

DEBUNKED.
 Quoting: Byteman


In your dreams Byteboy.

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Everything was painted white?..whered you get that one? On AP-11 the Capsule was a very pretty medium BLUE. The Hasselblads were painted SILVER in contrast to the normal black color they come from the factory with.the suits were white,Non critical areas of the LM were various shades of color.You must have given the APOLLO missions a cursury look right byteman?
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Really? I disagree because at the time of the Apollo program the Sun was highly active, reaching the peak of her 11-year cycle.

The extra protection of their space suits? Really? Do you even know what these space suits were made of?

A few thin layers of aluminum and linen are not radiation protection, whatever NASA may label it.




The edge? Where would that be in a spherical multi layer? Can you please draw me a picture? Maybe you mean they went through a thinner part (24.000 miles as opposed to the estimated 65.000 miles thickness at the equator).

They went through the belts at a 30º offset to the equator which would still put them in harms way.


Moon's surface.
The LM and the Astronauts spacesuits were shielded against radiation. Appropriate to the SHORT TERM amount of time any of them spent on the Moons surface.


No, their space suits were no where near sufficiently shielded to protect them from the brutal radiation bombardments and enhanced radioactive interaction of the soil they were walking on. Any sufficient shielding would have rendered them immobile.

If this is so crazy, why is NASA themselves so worried about the dangers of radiation (as opposed to ´69 where all was hunky dory?)

In your dreams Byteboy.
 Quoting: Eden

Just because the Sun was at a maximum (that ended in 1970), does not mean that it was sending particles directly at Apollo.

Way to fail comprehending that though. LMAO

Your flippant assertion that the Apollo A7L suits were just made from "linen and aluminum" is entirely false.

[link to history.nasa.gov]

But hey, its you right? You like to cherry-pick only the information that "suits" your purpose instead of equal consideration of all evidence. HAHA

To bad for you, the design, materials, and properties of the Apollo suits are well known. As much as you want to poke your fingers in your ears and go
"LALALALALAALALA NO RAD RESISTANCE LALALALALALALA".
Doesn't make it true.

The Van Allen belts were traversed at 28.5 degrees, not 30 degrees as you incorrectly assert. You also forgot the part where the Van Allen belts themselves were oriented at 11 degrees south.

Dr. James Van Allen himself, testified that humans can indeed travel through the Van Allen belts.

Apollo did indeed go through only the edge.

In regards to the radiation environment of the Lunar surface. Your argument of LALALALA NO SHIELDING, isn't gonna do it here either.

For the same reason you are dead wrong about the composition and abilities of the A7L suit, you are wrong about it's capabilities on the Lunar Surface.

You are also dead wrong about the Lunar surface itself. All your blah blah is just a useless repeat of the other alleged reasons the couldn't survive the radiation.

NASA is currently worried about radiation due to LONG TERM EXPOSURE. Apollo was SHORT TERM EXPOSURE.

Yet another fact you failed to comprehend...






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Everything was painted white?..whered you get that one? On AP-11 the Capsule was a very pretty medium BLUE. The Hasselblads were painted SILVER in contrast to the normal black color they come from the factory with.the suits were white,Non critical areas of the LM were various shades of color.You must have given the APOLLO missions a cursury look right byteman?
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Yes, way to take my words out of context.
Congratulations.

They painted every important and highly exposed surface white.

Happy?






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No,You said:I bet it would blow your mind if I told you why they painted everything white...LOL! [link to pfinspace.com] I hardly see anything white here.
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No,You said:I bet it would blow your mind if I told you why they painted everything white...LOL! [link to pfinspace.com] I hardly see anything white here.
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I know what I said.

You obviously failed to understand what "taking something out of context" is.

How bout this... you blew my statement out of proportion.
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MHBs practice at that. Almost everything they try to come up
with has been discussed and debunked here: [link to www.clavius.org]

Recent commercial ventures are going to take us back to the
Moon in just a few more years. I really hope I can see the
reaction from at least a few of them when they realize that
their emotional investment has been for nothing.
 Quoting: DrPostman


Among other reputable sites.

Heck even Moon conspiracy theorist Richard Hoagland, admits we've been to the Moon. He debunks the Apollo-deniers even better then Phil Plait. IMO.

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No,You said:I bet it would blow your mind if I told you why they painted everything white...LOL! [link to pfinspace.com] I hardly see anything white here.


I know what I said.

You obviously failed to understand what "taking something out of context" is.

How bout this... you blew my statement out of proportion.
 Quoting: Byteman

Oh I know what "taking something out of context means"..I quoted you verbatim.You're the one who doesn't know what your talking about.
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laugh

I too really believe we will be able to fly commercially to the Moon in a few years.

"Tell another lie honey." said the woman sitting on Pinocchio´s face.

I´m so glad we really went to the Moon. What a relief.



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The hard evidence to the fact that no human has been into deep space (through & beyond the Van Allen belts) is radiation, and that cannot be refuted which ever way you look at it.


Except by Van Allen himself, the man who discovered the belts:
"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
-- Dr. James Van Allen

I'm sorry, but that man's words trump anything you can pull
out of your ass.
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Is that before or after he was leaned on in the interest of national security?
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Still trying to find "everything painted in white"..LOL! [link to www.myspacemuseum.com]
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Oh I know what "taking something out of context means"..I quoted you verbatim.You're the one who doesn't know what your talking about.
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Yawn!!! Tell ya what, I'll give you a your little insignificant "win" on this point.

Woop de Doo

clappa

You caught me saying "everything" when I should have said "critically exposed areas".

I already conceded this, but I'll concede it twice since you seem to be to unable to remember that I did it already.

Now you wanna try discussing something that isn't just a word game?

Or is that the limit of your ability to debate?

shark

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Is that before or after he was leaned on in the interest of national security?
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And your proof that he was "leaned on" is what?
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Oh I know what "taking something out of context means"..I quoted you verbatim.You're the one who doesn't know what your talking about.


Yawn!!! Tell ya what, I'll give you a your little insignificant "win" on this point.

Woop de Doo

clappa

You caught me saying "everything" when I should have said "critically exposed areas".

I already conceded this, but I'll concede it twice since you seem to be to unable to remember that I did it already.

Now you wanna try discussing something that isn't just a word game?

Or is that the limit of your ability to debate?

shark
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Not even the critically exposed areas were white...lol! unless you consider the antennae dish a critically exposed are!...lol! damn didn't you even look at those sites I posted?
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Not even the critically exposed areas were white...lol! unless you consider the antennae dish a critically exposed are!...lol! damn didn't you even look at those sites I posted?
 Quoting: Innocentwolf15 549832


Well, since you want to be a ***** about it.

Since every vehicle had the American flag painted on it or just a tiny bit of white paint, they all had white paint on them. Everything was painted white, even a little white qualifies.

I never said everything was painted ALL white.

Only that everything was painted white.

I win.

skull_fing

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And I have always thought Neil Armstrong acts like a typical mind control victim. His behavior (and silence) over the years has always been very telling. I think the man can't remember a LOT and it really bothers him.
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As for walking on the moon, sometimes I wonder if that really happened. I can honestly say--and it's a great surprise to me--that I have never had a dream about being on the moon. It's a great disappointment to me.

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Except by Van Allen himself, the man who discovered the belts:
"The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
-- Dr. James Van Allen
 Quoting: DrPostman

When a scientist gives facts and figures of which he has experimental knowledge, he is at least trying to talk science.

When a scientist throws around vague insults like "nonsense," he is talking politics.
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When a scientist gives facts and figures of which he has experimental knowledge, he is at least trying to talk science.

When a scientist throws around vague insults like "nonsense," he is talking politics.
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There's more of those semantics.
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Not even the critically exposed areas were white...lol! unless you consider the antennae dish a critically exposed are!...lol! damn didn't you even look at those sites I posted?


Well, since you want to be a ***** about it.

Since every vehicle had the American flag painted on it or just a tiny bit of white paint, they all had white paint on them. Everything was painted white, even a little white qualifies.

I never said everything was painted ALL white.

Only that everything was painted white.

I win.

skull_fing
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Wow! talking about going down in flames!...lol! You lose!
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Wow! talking about going down in flames!...lol! You lose!
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I conceded the point to you twice.

You wanted to be a poor sport and keep at it with your dumb semantics game.

Exactly how did I go down in flames?

Everything DID have some white paint on it. So technically "they painted everything white" is true.

You cannot out argue that, so now your down to lame non-sequiturs.

dumbass

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