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Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536
9/24/2009 11:22 AM
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[link to www.cnsnews.com]
For those who are always claiming that we spend more on military budget than anything else. Not so. Entitlement and welfare programs dwarf the Pentagon budget every year about three to one. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778629
9/24/2009 11:26 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Well at least it is going to US citizens. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 3638
9/24/2009 11:27 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Well at least it is going to US citizens. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778629
your a fucktard! you think military spending does not benefit americans??????? Oh yeah, ones that will work |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 11:27 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Well at least it is going to US citizens. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778629
Don't count on that considering the high number of illegals in this country bleeding it dry.
So does military pay and at least they work for it. |
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Zerocyber
User ID: 648354
9/24/2009 11:30 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Well at least it is going to US citizens. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778629
A large percent of which are just parasites, and those funds are like candy to lure them to vote for him in 2012.
Really, there are good people that happen to be on welfare for any number of reasons. But down here in my part of Florida a good 3/4 people are just parasites.
I pay taxes for them to get it. I have to save up for a bigger TV, gas, food, games, etc, and they just wait for the check to show up on the 3rd of each month >:(
I think welfare should run out after 3 months, and if you DON'T PAY TAXES you can't get it again until you put that same amount of money back in.
Same of unemployment, same for everything else. Minus social security, I think of that as a corrupt government savings bank. Make it where they can't take from it like a cookie jar to a toddler and we will have fixed that issue as well. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 11:45 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
I'm just tired of people saying Bush bankrupt the country with Iraq.
No, Congress did with welfare buying votes to insure their re-election.
And when this happens, democracies always fall. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778602
9/24/2009 11:52 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
It's called re-distribution of wealth! |
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Wenty
User ID: 648833
9/24/2009 11:52 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Who cares they keep printing money that doesn't have value. They spend as much money as they can on anything to look good to the sheeple..... People are not waking up are they.
Obama is so sweet for helping the poor. We are all screwed at the end the poor and the rich!
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Zerocyber
User ID: 648354
9/24/2009 11:52 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
I'm just tired of people saying Bush bankrupt the country with Iraq.
No, Congress did with welfare buying votes to insure their re-election.
And when this happens, democracies always fall. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536
Someone said something about, 'When the congress finds out they can bribe the taxpayers with thier own money, the democracy will fall' or something along those lines. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 731101
9/24/2009 11:55 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
He's going to have to when the unemployment rate is 65%. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 766570
9/24/2009 11:56 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
I'm just tired of people saying Bush bankrupt the country with Iraq.
No, Congress did with welfare buying votes to insure their re-election.
And when this happens, democracies always fall. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 730536
Correct. What got us out of the first depression? Military spending! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 759743
9/24/2009 11:59 AM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Thats why you
DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
They BOTH got us into this mess! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 12:59 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Thats why you
DO NOT VOTE REPUBLICAN OR DEMOCRAT!
They BOTH got us into this mess! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 759743
Exactly! But we don't have a viable Third Party. I don't think Ron Paul would really even want to win and be president. So who is there? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:01 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
I'm just tired of people saying Bush bankrupt the country with Iraq.
No, Congress did with welfare buying votes to insure their re-election.
And when this happens, democracies always fall.
Someone said something about, 'When the congress finds out they can bribe the taxpayers with thier own money, the democracy will fall' or something along those lines. Quoting: Zerocyber 648354
I want to say Alex de Touqueville in his book "Democracy in America" but I am not sure about that at all.
You are correct, there is a famous quote and it is happening before our very eyes. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:11 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
I am not sure but think this would be the budget with "the surge" in Iraq in it. You can find any year on the internet but notice how much more is spent on welfare even in a normal year.
Add Medicaid and welfar together and it always surpasses the defense budget.
Just so we all know that the US does NOT spend more on military than social programs.
Also remember that they spent all the Social Security money on other things and lied about the Social Security Trust Fund as it all goes into the General Treasury and they spent it like water. Maybe since they can't pay the Boomers is why they are so damned eager to kill us all off.
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The President's actual budget for 2007 totals $2.8 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2006. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:
$586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
$548.8 billion (+9.0%) - Defense[2]
$394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
$294.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
$276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
$243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
$89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
$76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
$72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
$43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
$33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
$32.5 billion (+15.4%) - Foreign affairs
$27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
$26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
$25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
$20.5 billion (+0.8%) - Energy
$20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
I would also like to point out to all those foreigners who say we don't have healthcare for the poor that this is what Medicaid is and note the amount spent on just that very thing, probably more than in their country by far!
Just want to inject a little reality for those who like to think we would have all manner of money if not for the military.
How much welfare is enough? |
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User # 78/68
User ID: 681262
9/24/2009 1:17 PM
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Ya, and under Bush capitalism failed, and corporate America came hat in hand for government bailouts.
Obama inherited a HUGE mess, and welfare roles are just part of it! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:22 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Who cares they keep printing money that doesn't have value. They spend as much money as they can on anything to look good to the sheeple..... People are not waking up are they.
Obama is so sweet for helping the poor. We are all screwed at the end the poor and the rich!
Quoting: Wenty
You do realize this dilutes the value of the dollar when they print money from nothing?
I care tremendously as I don't want what little I have devalued to nothing.
Next we will just mark off a zero to avoid new currency entirely like they do in third world countries! |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:26 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Ya, and under Bush capitalism failed, and corporate America came hat in hand for government bailouts.
Obama inherited a HUGE mess, and welfare roles are just part of it! Quoting: User # 78/68
But it was Clinton and Barney Frank, etc. that said every American should have a house regardless of their ability.
Plenty of blame to go around but under Obama things have been made ten times worse that with that bogus stimulus package and the huge debt he has dumped on us all. He has made recovery just about impossible.
It's up to Congress to approve spending. Therein lies the problem and with all branches of government the same party we no longer have any checks and balances. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 778709
9/24/2009 1:27 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
At little misleading, makes it sound like it's just the people on welfare, when it's all social programs, like unemployment.
How much did we spend on those services in 2008? |
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Sinanju2
User ID: 777137
9/24/2009 1:31 PM
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The quote you are looking for...
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship." -Sir Alex Fraser Tytler
I don't do book reports, I don't sort the wheat from the chaff but I will discuss the topic of your ignorance if I'm asked. -MC Frontalot |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:33 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
The quote you are looking for...
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship." -Sir Alex Fraser Tytler Quoting: Sinanju2
Thank you!
Maybe I should register and make that my signature line. I think it is VERY true and especially in the times in which we now live. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:55 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
At little misleading, makes it sound like it's just the people on welfare, when it's all social programs, like unemployment.
How much did we spend on those services in 2008? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778709
Obama’s spending proposals call for the largest increases in welfare benefits in U.S. history, according to a report by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. This will lead to a spending total of $10.3 trillion over the next decade on various welfare programs. These include cash payments, food, housing, Medicaid and various social services for low-income Americans and those at 200 percent of the poverty level, or $44,000 for a family of four. Among that total, $7.5 trillion will be federal money and $2.8 trillion will be federally mandated state expenditures.
In that same West Virginia speech last year, Obama said, “When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you’re paying a price for this war.”
The Heritage study says, “Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010.” |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 1:57 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
At little misleading, makes it sound like it's just the people on welfare, when it's all social programs, like unemployment.
How much did we spend on those services in 2008? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 778709
I can't find excatly the same thing for 2008 but this is what I did find.
Further information: Government spending
A pie chart representing spending by category for the US budget for 2008
The President's budget for 2008 totals $2.9 trillion. Percentages in parentheses indicate percentage change compared to 2007. This budget request is broken down by the following expenditures:
Mandatory spending: $1.788 trillion (+4.2%)
$608 billion (+4.5%) - Social Security
$386 billion (+5.2%) - Medicare
$209 billion (+5.6%) - Medicaid and the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP)
$324 billion (+1.8%) - Unemployment/Welfare/Other mandatory spending
$261 billion (+9.2%) - Interest on National Debt
Discretionary spending: $1.114 trillion (+3.1%)
$481.4 billion (+12.1%) - Department of Defense
$145.2 billion (+45.8%) - Global War on Terror
$69.3 billion (+0.3%) - Department of Health and Human Services
$56.0 billion (+0.0%) - Department of Education
$39.4 billion (+18.7%) - Department of Veterans Affairs
$35.2 billion (+1.4%) - Department of Housing and Urban Development
$35.0 billion (+22.0%) - Department of State and Other International Programs
$34.3 billion (+7.2%) - Department of Homeland Security
$24.3 billion (+6.6%) - Department of Energy
$20.2 billion (+4.1%) - Department of Justice
$20.2 billion (+3.1%) - Department of Agriculture
$17.3 billion (+6.8%) - National Aeronautics and Space Administration
$12.1 billion (+13.1%) - Department of Transportation
$12.1 billion (+6.1%) - Department of the Treasury
$10.6 billion (+2.9%) - Department of the Interior
$10.6 billion (-9.4%) - Department of Labor
$51.8 billion (+9.7%) - Other On-budget Discretionary Spending
$39.0 billion - Other Off-budget Discretionary Spending [link to en.wikipedia.org]
Comparing the Defense Budget to the Total Economy
The U.S. defense budget has risen over the past decade but remains substantially lower than historical levels when considered as a percentage of U.S. GDP. President Bush requested $481.4 billion in discretional spending for the Department of Defense’s 2008 budget. That figure does not include any of the spending for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which have been paid for primarily through “emergency supplemental requests” that are not included in the federal budget’s accounting. War spending is expected to tally to roughly $193 billion in 2008, an increase of $22 billion, or roughly 13 percent, over 2007 expenditures. Other aspects of military-related spending also fall outside the defense budget, including nuclear-weapons research, veterans affairs programs, State Department activities in war zones, and operations covered by the budgets of the various intelligence agencies. Allocations toward the “Global War on Terrorism,” which exceed $145 billion for 2008, also fall outside the U.S. defense budget, and do not include the war-budget supplements.
Even considering the military budget and war spending together, however, total U.S. expenditures remain modest compared to historical levels in wartime. Shortly before the Vietnam War, in 1962, defense spending alone tallied 9.3 percent of GDP. During World War II expenditures were higher still; in 1944 the defense budget peaked at 37.8 percent of GDP. Even after recent increases, defense spending today comes to about 3.7 percent of GDP—and the combined total, even after including both war-spending supplements and “Global War on Terror” expenditures, comes to 6.2 percent of GDP. Still, today’s spending represents an increase since before the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, when defense spending tallied roughly 3 percent of GDP.
In a global context, U.S. spending on military-related endeavors ranks high. According to 2005 data from SIPRI (PDF), the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, the United States spends substantially more on military endeavors than any country in the world. If war spending and allocations to the “Global War on Terror” are excluded, the U.S. military budget is still more than seven times that of its next closest competitor, China. If you include those other expenditures, U.S. military spending surpasses that of all other countries in the world combined. The U.S. Central Intelligence Agency notes on its website, however, that when you look at military expenditures as a percentage of GDP, the United States ranks lower, at twenty-eighth in the world.
[link to www.nytimes.com] |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 2:04 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 730536 (OP)
9/24/2009 11:45 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Bush wasted billions.
Obama is wasting trillions.
Only difference that I see. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812865
11/7/2009 2:31 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
liberals spend money to help people, conservatives spend money to kill people, independents want to legalize hemp |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 769657
11/7/2009 2:33 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Yep. This is supposed to be an improvement. Hos so? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 805089
11/7/2009 2:35 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
remember.. remember..
the 10th of september..
2001. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 769657
11/7/2009 2:35 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
liberals spend money to help people, conservatives spend money to kill people, independents want to legalize hemp Quoting: Anonymous Coward 812865
I'm an Independent and I think you need to understand, we're Constitutionalists. How things were back int he 1850's is how America was meant to be, and when we were the strongest. No welfare leech shit. if you were stupid, you died. No coddling weaklings or rewarding lowlife sleazy behavior. The scum were properly shunned by good society. |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 812865
11/7/2009 2:40 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
liberals spend money to help people, conservatives spend money to kill people, independents want to legalize hemp
I'm an Independent and I think you need to understand, we're Constitutionalists. How things were back int he 1850's is how America was meant to be, and when we were the strongest. No welfare leech shit. if you were stupid, you died. No coddling weaklings or rewarding lowlife sleazy behavior. The scum were properly shunned by good society. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 769657
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i do not disagree with your stance but do stupid people really have to die? |
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Anonymous Coward
User ID: 808999
11/7/2009 2:45 PM | | Re: Obama Will Spend More on Welfare in the Next Year Than Bush Spent on Entire Iraq War, Study Reveals | Quote |
Ya, and under Bush capitalism failed, and corporate America came hat in hand for government bailouts.
Obama inherited a HUGE mess, and welfare roles are just part of it! Quoting: User # 78/68
Government interference in capitalism
creating failure
is not capitalism failing.
Capitalism allows failure. Market correction.
Government obstruction insures catastrophe.
But you cannot understand... |
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